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"Your comfort zone is a beautiful place, but nothings ever gonna grow there" would make a great t shirt

I am sure we can make it work Cory! Let's work on it a bit together!🙌

I love these quietly spoken electronics engineers, unassuming geniuses...

One word is not enough to describe your determination to solve this puzzle! Tenacious, persevering, determined, resolute, purposeful, dogged, single-minded, tireless, indefatigable, patient, unflagging, untiring, insistent, importunate, unrelenting describe you better! Well done for not giving up. Hope someone who knows the intricacies of the particular program developed for the Jaguar car battery can divulge what you need to know. Good luck!

It’s refreshing to see a spark taking an active interest in the deep dive side of things, but importantly staying humble about the fundamental differences between electrics and electronics without implying that it’s the same thing to those that don’t know any better - well done and best of luck getting this to work 👍

Have you thought about the interlock loop? (The 2 little pins on the big orange connector) These 2 little pins need to be shorted to make EV-systems or the battery work. Its a safety feature, if a module breaks or the car is in a crash then those 2 little pins wont be shorted and disables all the high-voltage systems! Including the big contactors inside the battery!

Are you certain you’re not plugged into the CAN’T port? 😂👊

The spirit of Louis Rossman in action is a joy to behold, hack on! You crazy kids!

You probably know more about the Ipace than the average Jaguar tech after this video... can't wait for Pt 2.

Cory..you're my kind of sparky. Love your approach to things, and the fact you're not afraid to experiment and learn new things. Top-man.

The BMS ECU will go to sleep because it's not seeing activity on the CAN bus. You'll need to record a log from the iPace and play it back through SavvyCAN in a loop. Then turn off the IDs one by one until you find the network management frame it's looking for to keep it awake. I don't have any experience with the iPace CAN, but I've done extensive reverse-engineering on Teslas systems, and this is how they work.

Best clip ever on this channel! Why? Because this is far beyond the usual small talk content and it shows what power we can unleash in so many ways. First a lot of brain power is needed, then lots of battery power and energy is unleashed and after all it's for the renewable power of the sun. Keep going! Cheers from a HV battery and solar system builder in Germany.

Every HV plug will have a HV interlock that will need to be shorted ( it is a loop that connects all the plugs together. Also remember this is a car, when a car crashes and the airbags deploy the RCM module will send a CAN message to open contactors, additional to this legislation requires that there is a separate wire from the RCM that carries a square wave signal to give the all clear!

On some cars, the battery does a handshake with another ECU in the car, which includes car-specific info like the VIN, so replaying the data from the car may not work on that battery.

WOW, what a vid, what a topic, what a fantastic idea. if ALL car manufacturers made a simple unit (or 3rd parties) to go from a old under performance battery, so it can be used like this with ANY inverter, what a way to recycle and reuse. I was hooked from the first few seconds till the end.... bring on part 2 asap.

EU should legislate that all EV batteries be capable of reuse as a home battery with standard controllers, connectors, protocols etc.

Cory being a geek is cool as a 70 year old retired electrician/ maintenance engineer I have solved many problems thinking outside of the box . Good old KZfaqrs like you still inspired me in retirement .I have leant basic electronics and knew about needing a 60 ohm resistance on the can bus . Can't wait for the follow up video great project

For me it's your best video so far , awesome content mate.

Looks like good progress so far. One note on the relays when you open the doors, that's probably the pre-charge relay getting the vehicle HV system ready for key on by the time the driver is in the seat. The BMS will, most likely, enforce a maximum duty cycle on this relay so once you get it to close the BMS won't let you re-close it until the resistor or PTC element used for pre-charging has cooled off enough. If you're looking at CAN frames on the network to the battery you might want to take a particular interest in frames with the ID 0x10A, 0x10B and 0x10C.

Inspiring! The thousands of CAN messages are more than likely communication errors, caused by the HPCM trying to communicate with every other control unit that is missing on the car i.e ABS, BCM, and especially immobiliser.

I have fad Jaguar and Landrover cars for thirty years, and I had an Aquaintance that programmed the ECU's. The Eproms are separetley programmed by different people, and put together on the motherboard. The system has both a high speed and low speed Can Bus. When you open the car, the ecu starts to talk to the modules and pressing the start button sets another handshake in operation. The front left hand footwell fusebox is programmed to the dashboard. the front ecu is connected to the rear spare wheel fuseboc by fibre optics, Orange cable. Cambus are white cables. The system needs 13.2 volts to work properly, nine volts throughs a wobbly on start up. The rear seat footwell fuse boxes double up from the front fuse box. The Ecu's have Optical fuses on the inputs. One needs to follow the staring sequence to fault find the system.

Hands down the BEST video from your channel and about car battery reuse overall. I support Dala's EV repair long term on Patreon, but there was never such a great video as this one. Thanks for the work. You have the best hobby from my perspective!

Someone pointed out the coolant loops and other connectors. See if that pile of bits has the connectors and if they have sense resistors in them, the battery ecu might be booting and checking presence of all its ports before it will take a ‘close contractors’ message. If it’s JLR they aren’t big on securing messages across components, so should take a raw message and just execute it.

not familiar with the jag battery, has i got a pyrofuse in the contactor bank? could be blown and bms not seeing a total battery voltage

Troubleshooting is so much fun. It’s like you hit a roadblock after a roadblock, frustration to no end and then, bam, it starts working and you end up with that happy face like when you guys managed to get the contactors to engage. It’s so satisfying.

An EV KZfaqr I watch has did this. He’s Glyn Hudson, he also added his own ASHP and converted his env200 to an EV camper. Knows about bms/cambus requirements etc. Think he used a Leaf battery for his home. He’s also a Fully Charged friend!

Been waiting for this one to drop, awesome thanks Cory… 😍❤️

Modern cars have a pyro fuse to prevent the car from turning over after a crash and the airbags going off. Maybe one of those fuses you pointed out need replacing? Love the concept Cory boy

This leaves me wondering if disassembling the main pack and repurposing the individual cells packs would be easier in the long run. You'd be able to optimise the packs final output stage voltages to requirements, simultaneously eliminating those three complex vehicle cam bus modifications in the process. It might also allow you to weed out any potentially deficient/defective cells in an otherwise reusable pack. When being used for lower charge/discharge applications like solar storage, there's little requirement for an integrated liquid cooling system. Thanks for sharing. 👍 This is my opinion, I could be wrong. 😉

this video is great !!! everyone wants to do this .... and why not, im still waiting for the ev charger that uses the car battery to run the house...

I have so many of your videos to catch up on. This was honestly so interesting, I hope that you can find the answers and get this working, awesome video Cory!

Hi Cory, I am a high voltage technician with Audi. I would say that you are missing the control unit for the battery, on Audi its called J840. Battery management ECU, this communicates directly to the battery. Great video by the way mate.

This is the best video for Cory so far, I just love this geeky stuff

Awesome content Cory. Raw, warts and all - soooo refreshing to see real world content. 🤓👍🏻

This should be the first option for any EV battery once the car has finished with it, alternatively, being used for grid balancing.

AMAZING...!!!!!!!!!!!!!EOL,s solder,error messages . Loved it all. I wonder if its reading that the battery is mounted vertically rather than horozontally that its reading an error?. Crack on Cory.

Just a query, so when u put it on the wall will this effect the loop for the water as its use to being flat and would be putting adverse pressure on the pump?

I used to do this in testing chambers. We'd use the batteries for the thermal mass to test heat pump systems on while charging and discharging the battery in road load simulations. We used manufacturer provided DBC files that decoded the can bits and a logic controller that tricked it into thinking the car was there. All privided by the manufacturer

You will definitely need to plug in all the HVIL contacts of the battery. The big connectors at the top are more than likely to have those and the battery will definitely avoid electrocuting someone if it sees those connectors are unplugged.

This is an excellent video I can't wait for the next update. Hope once all this is figured out can share with the community how this was done. Excellent challenge to take up.

lol I was thinking "why are you even bothering with the CAN system, just hot wire it and let another system go the thing... 400V out: check temperature: nope cell voltage: nope Yeah no how about we don't write off the whole house :)

Ok Cory, this is truly fascinating & of real interest to me, so excellent work. I can't believe you commandeered a 'working vehicle' to debug all this, so cool, this is important research and discovery right here! 👍

Can't wait to see part two! I'm wanting to do the same, but with a Polestar battery and a FoxESS inverter. Keep up the good work

I can't really tell from the video if you did. But in all Power plug diodes there is a H VIL circuit. it runs around all 400V plugs and must be unbroken.

Very interesting project. I was thinking, an EV's 400V battery and the EV's motor-inverter should be able to create a nice 3-phase 400VAC at 50Hz. Or a single phase 230VAC at 50Hz, when hacked correctly. All needed power-electronics are there. The biggest problem would be that car manufacturers will go to great lengths to prevent the end user from tinkering with their product. I hope you'll succeed. I'd probably disassemble that battery, discard all electronics, assemble in a configuration that would work for me, and put in a BMS system, charge controller and inverter I can trust. But yea, would be super cool if you can re-use the car's BMS. Good luck. I'm looking forward to the next part.

Awesome video, very cool project. I understood most everything you guys said. Definitely want to use every lithium battery for as long as it holds a charge.

Another point Cory, after re-running the video, I saw your PSU is supplying 12 volts, although that’s nominal voltage it is too low. LVB batteries run at about 13.2 volts, Charging would be at about 14.5 volts. Also note there could be a tracking control unit that has its own battery.

Great video I look forward to seeing it working. I’m sure the problem will be something simple like a tilt switch 😂

This is brilliant, in Japan they have been doing this with prius batteries to power grocery stores. The market for this type of solution is in its infancy but will explode in time. Looking forward to the next video.

Your comfort around 400vdc is rather worrying 😂 I would 100% use some opto isolators in line to those CAN interfaces. The last thing you want is any ground loops. In terms of the battery not responding it may be worth checking that a serial number for the main ECU is not expected by the BMS. That is just the kind of thing the manufacturers would do so you have to pay a dealer to change the battery. To help it would be a good idea to put the CAN messages on a Live / Google drive so we can see them. Some type of lockout or security code may be why the battery BMS is just going back to sleep.

Could the battery have a level sensor as a safety mechanism? I’m not in any way an electrical specialist but I was a paramedic. The cars that would roll over in an RTC would have a special mechanism to make them safe. If this battery is not horizontal then could it be thinking it’s rolled over?

cool to see those in the industry looking towards these kind of upcycling projects. some of those all in one solutions are eye wartering expensive. have you had a look at those DIY LFP battery backup systems? like the Seplos Mason, seems like a good option for those that want a cost effective soltuion & the safety of LFP cells, also a lot less reverse engineering.

Good work, I was waiting for someone to realise the potential of the battery array from used EVs.

People like you are leading the way to a perfect reuse of large battery packs. Plz push on and consider making kits at the end of your adventure for others to reuse large batterys as well.

This is a sick project! I hope more people try things like this

Absolutely awesome, I take my hat off to you guys. And to whoever your end client is, thanks to them for supporting the experiment - like you say, it's got to be the way forwards in terms of recycling and reuse. And as for the Tesla joke... 😂

This is a legendary endeavor and an amazing look into trying to tap into an electric vehicle Controller Area Network. Awesome video guys, really impressive.

is there any tilt sensors in the pattery pack, there might be fail safes in the battery ppack that need resetting after the crash

Great video. Look forward to part two and getting it working 🙂

This is the future that everyone talks of, but it’s the first time I’ve seen it being attempted to be done. Good on ye fella.

There should be an interlock connection on all of the battery connections for motor and charge port etc I would assume these would all need to be shorted out. The interlock shuts down the battery if and cable is broken discounted for safety

I'm not related to JRL but, I used to work for a company that was using the modules out of this car. Each module 3S4P Lithium Polymer module does not have its own BMS. The important pin connections if you need to reconfigure the pack or add you own BMS? Each module has a 0V, 3.7V, 7.4V, 11.1V and two pairs going to 10K Thermistors for reading batter temperature. The bus bars are connected to each module with M6 bolts, ofcourse you already have all the bolts and connectors inside the pack. A WORD OF WARNING if you want to read the cell voltages using the connector, each tap is connected to the cells by a really thin flexible PCB if you short across a cell that will burn the trace, its not fun cutting open a module to repair!

Can't get enough of this kind of thing Cory. Keep it coming!!!

I reckon you'd need the specific signal, from the scrapped iPace. When Nissan Leaf batteries are swapped, I believe they have to go through a matching process, to be recognised and usable.

Possibly a battery orientation interlock. The battery is vertical and could be a battery shut off for rollover events? Like a MEMS gyro?

Really interesting video, more of these.......thank you

Great stuff Cory, and well done for not digging yourself into a hole with that working I-Pace, the opportunities for blow ups are high on this one. In the past ive always used OEM CAN interfaces but im going to get one of those £25.00 amazon ones and have a go with SavvyCAN that I did not know about. Re the wiring/connector a pair of green 10 way rising clamp headers plug/socket may work well for you rather than committing to hard wiring! Looking forward to part two.

just a thought - ignition key??? does your battery have to talk to the coded ignition key that was originally used to enter/ immobilise /start the car before it became a wall mount?

this video was awesome cant wait to see part two

You can cut the CAN wires and make a transparent gateway. This way you can deduce where the signals are going from/to. I worked for a company that hacked cars for handicapped people. Our device was injecting messages like the car horn, indicator lights and other secondary controls while actively filtering the original messages. CAN messages often have one or multiple counters, each frame increments this count up and often the last count is skipped. 0xC, 0xE, 0x0, 0x1 etc. CAN messages also use CRC as a checksum on each message. You can use CRC RevEng to reverse engineer these crc, sometimes this is impossible and you just need to hardcode a LookUpTable. Hopefully you don't need to got his deep into CAN, and just replaying the messages will be sufficient.

Amazing, never thought I'd see someone hack a EV battery (something I've been wanting to do for a long time) let alone see you do it.

You are where the future is .... I can't wait until someone gives such projects the traction needed to make this a business. ( Octopus??) Octopus do support VTG but the cars and charges are very limited. Their tariff is called Power pack is currently compatible with: Nissan Leaf Nissan e-NV200 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV. The chargers needed are Wallbox Quasar 1 (it's worth noting that the Wallbox Quasar 1 is no longer for sale in the UK, so you'd have to have it already installed). Octopus say they are working hard on more integrations! Total respect to you guys for doing this - lets hope someone gets in touch to give you what is needed

Great idea. ❤ I live in the desert of Baja Mexico totally off grid. I took the batteries out of 4 SMART cars. Each was 53V nominal. I connected them all in in parallel and hooked them to a 48V Schneider Inverter/charger. Been running 5 buildings and AC for 8 years. Have 28 solar panels. Since I went parallel I do not use BMS.

Loved the levels of geekishness

Love this, waiting for pt2!!!

Have you check the other connectors on the top? There is also the interlock loop inside. There must be a reason, the battery shut down after 5 sesonds. Something is failed to check while bootup. It could be the battery expected a massage from other ecu's in a time window (maybe every 5 sec )?

Every car manufacturer has its own design to control the battery charging and discharging to be a battery management system. The circuit design was tailored made by the R n D team. I prefer to disassemble the batteries then reconnect to appropriate required voltage allocation to suit for your inverter. Those would be easier and fast.

Great work! I foolishly bought an IDbuzz thinking you could plug it in and use the vehicle battery to power my home. Turns out you can but nobody actually makes a charger that allows you to plug in and do this. One is in development but it’s going to have a chadamo plug on it which renders it useless for my application. Keep up the good work.

Brilliant to watch Cory, I am sure you will get it going soon.

Loving this video. This is exactly why I subscribed to your channel God Bless

I love the geekiest & nerdiest stuff. I loved the Tesla/Edison joke. Are there internal sensor for coolant levels that are keeping the battery from working? Also isn't there an accelerometer that shuts everything down after a crash, does that need to be physically reset?

Hello Cory (or anyone) don't want solar panels yet but I am lookking at a home battery storage system. does the installer have to be MCS approved? Thanks

Super cool stuff, can't wait to see future updates

Interesting project, I like it! The BMS communication problem is always there. My idea would be to use a deye high voltage inverter, there you can defin a battery only by voltage levels. Not perfect, but works and is easy.

It's amazing just how complex car systems have become - and why even the main dealers cannot fix them if they go wrong :-(

Great work guys. The real issue for these projects is the manufacturer needs to have recycling of the product forced on them by laws.. Then they will publish and develop products that can have a second life. I hope you succeed and while I am an electronics engineer I agree with your approach and understand the pain … well done and thanks for the massive effort …

The big question here for me is: how in the world did you procure a 90kwh battery from a broken Jag?? Nice tinkering, love the process!

You may need to emulate the different can networks that go to the battery. If one network Is down then the battery would probably go into a fault state. Love the project, and I'll be following to see how you get on. One day, I hope manufacturers release this info to allow 2nd life of battery packs like you're trying to do.

Is there an orientation sensor in the battery and it thinks the car has flipped so cut off the battery?

We all want to see you doing the 'can-can' dance in part 2.

Very interesting project, would it be possible to trick the ipace and access power like V2L from the charging port or elsewhere on an intact (but not roadworthy) ipace ?

that's some great work done ! make sure you keep at least a rough documentation how you made it work for all the other folks. my thoughts: if there are three can buses, what do they expect to connect to ? one might be just a passthrought directly to the bms modules so the cell level bmss can be diagnosed independently from all other modules, another one a strict can bus receiver end to operate the contactors. the final one sums up all the information and status. maybe they need a well timed sequence to make it all work. you already have a mutichanne scope, so i'd determine what is the can high on each bus (in the working car) and track which bus is active and what information is transferred at startup sequence. looks like they made it more complicated that most other manufacturers that rely on a single can that makes it all work.

Does the battery have any sensors that prevent it working when vertical?

This is a great idea. If I knew that I could take a failed battery from my EV when I had to buy a new expensive one, I would have little hesitation to buy an EV. This should be a standard option you can buy for all EV batteries. Reuse is better than recycle.

Hi dudes, brill video. I was thinking about this old EV car battery thing about 2 years ago. I am surprised it got so complex with the can bus! Keep it up and I am sure you will both crack it, mind your fingers on that 400 volts DC @ mega Amps and don't knack the other car 💥💥💥

How are you going to map inverter to throttle position for battery output?

Glad to see how you're trying ro tackle this but dont envy you from what I've seen it can burn alot of hours reverse enginnering this stuff. Think it will become easier in future when more cars have vehicle to load or grid which should be able to talk to inverters natively. Also see a second life for scrapped EVs being used as battery storage in farms as they probably have the land and space to park up old EVs and with enough distance to accomodate any fires from this sort of tinkering. Good luck.

Love to see you solving difficult problems. Don't normally make donations but this was so good. Putting a battery like this into a boat, such as a cannal boat or something sexier would be cool project I'm incapable of but would love to see.

Another good one Cory! Keep on keeping on brother!! 😎