RIGHT? he was angsty AS HELL, what u talkin bout not sentimental?

@@khaiseasoeng7963 Shh, gotta hide it from Achilles!

Husband* I pronounce them married

@@gigifabulous You may now kiss your Achilles.

"we're not the sentimental type." Achillies, sweating in "kills 10,000 men and drags the corpse of Hector along the walls of Troy"

ah yes, a man of culture

No no no you wrong! His cousin! HIS COUSIN!

@@mariazapata1606 THE MOVIE LIED MARIA THEY ARENT COUSINS

@@lord_ozymandias yes I know its a old trope they use to cover the gay even sailor moon was victims of this and if you don't know sailor moon two of the gay characters turn cousin in the dub Edit: I was being sarcastic sorry that i bring wrong massage here

Overly sarcastic productions fan I see 👀

ooof

I'm glad is not as IN YOUR FACE, As everyone makes it look.

Technically Achilles is the grandson of Ares so he's technically zagreus's nephew

@@kedarraman6690 you could fill a library with Olympian family technicalities 😂 Most people wouldn’t catch the technicality so we’ll have to settle

@Lucas Hades is Zeus brother zagreus is Hades son one generation down not two like Achilles so zag is the uncle

He didn't ask to look like an edgy DeviantArt OC and sound like a half-werewolf bad boy that makes high-school girls squeal! But he'd be dammed if he let those traits go to waste, either! Being hot and sexy is a pretty good way to make friends easy.

@@bugjams You can be an edge lord and a good character deadass

@@semidecent4395 Please give me some examples. Not to imply that I doubt you, but that sounds like the kind of character I'd love to death and I want to love them to death!

@@Jono997 I feel like these types of characters aren't hard to find but for the life of me, I can't even name one. Edit: And as someone who's had an emo phase, I feel Zagreus doesn't come close to being emo, though O don't think any specific subcultures apply to him.

He's not emo lmao

They do unite in the afterlife thought don't they?

they do but still :')

That author NEEDS to see this game. Not just for Achilles/Patroclus, but everything about this game is so badass.

JAJAJAJAJAJA

i just finished the book today and 😭😭😭

Historians: "Patroclus' ghost then asked Achilles to have his and Patroclus' ashes mixed with one another so they'd be together in death. The Achaean leaders agreed to Achilles' request when told and their ashes were interred in a single golden urn, no homo."

Just some guys being dudes

Hollywood: They were cousins. Classical Greece: THEY WERE LOVERS, YOU IDIOTS.

"and they were roommates"

@@Twankiez1019 "oh my god, they were roommates"

Will yougive me 1million dollars for a sketch?

If you haven't heard of it already, I'd highly suggest The Song of Achilles! It's a great read, all about these two :3 (Sorry this is so late btw)

@@crownedpaladin4473 oh that’s my all time favorite book! It’s the best!

@@Teddyhammy I know, right? It's great! I'm planning on reading Circe next (Madeline Miller's other book) lol :>

I love The song of Achilles

“Oh my god they were roommates.”

“And the historians gasped”

@Nova Hainn oh my god they were urnmates

@@vaccinateyourkids9975 quality

Oh my Gods they were ⭐️ roommates ⭐️

You did not have to comment that......I am now just gonna go so :') 👍🏻

i will never recover from that thanks sis :')

I legit finished the book 3 days ago and started playing the game today. And i'm just gonna pretend that this is a sequel to the book causE

probably my fav book

NOOOOO THE SONG OF ACHILLES😭😭

Guess being dead just sorta mellows ya out

They were in life, so know doubt they were quite different when they were alive. Achilles admitted it himself that he's still haunted by the violence he caused. Achilles was sent to serve Hades in the House, which most likely gave him time to reflect and let go of his rage. Patrocolus, he though he was sent to the afterlife of the greatest warriors, felt no such glory and let his fighting spirit fall to melancholy.

It’s the post-reunion sex.

Two types of people

He was absolutely skirting past his hatred for Agamemnon cause he was happy to see Patroclus. Also I might be misremembering but didn't Achilles accuse Agamemnon of cannibalism at one point? I remember a line where Achilles called him and "eater of men" or something like that.

Too bad Achilles sent his best friend to fight in his stead instead of himself, the ya know invincible demigod warrior?

@@LordPyro25 achilles was referring to how agamemnon simply did not give a shit who died under his command, so long as he won, but he said it in a way that people overhearing the conversation would misinterpret, thereby creating nasty rumors. think of modern cancel culture mixed with insulting a commander in the worst way possible.

@@gargoyles9999 If I remember correctly, that was the ploy of the gods (the ones who favored the Greeks, that is) to get Patroclus killed by Hector and finally give Achilles the motivation to rejoin the war.

The idea was planted in his head by Nestor, but his death was caused by the gods after Patroclus slayed Sarpedon, son of Zeus while he and the other Achaeans were protecting the boats from Hector. The gods convinced Patroclus to chase Hector back to Troy and fight him there rather than in the Achaean camp. Apollo then shifts the battle in the Trojan favour after Hector begins to lose against Patroclus.

Indeed

We are informed of the highest order; the Order of Gays Through the Ages

He got his man in Death when they were denied one another in Life

We could all see who Achilles' heart belonged to, and how devastated he was when Patroclus died. Reuniting them again in this game was the least we could do for them. Can't keep them waiting after all.

Just two guys being guys

What's better than this? Guys being dudes.

Just a couple of dudes being gay

Darkshadow01 What manlier than two men?!

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I started the other day and just finished it. I found out that Patrochilles was in this game and immediately needed to search for it to help me cope

@@spectre9340 i swear we all have the same lifes

I finished it last month and I just “reread”-Skipped to the end so I could get emotional again (I cried againnnnn)

Same I'm still crying

Oh no, I just noticed that! He's still in disguise. 😢

Only in Death

@@noctis69something95 😐

@@CereDulce37 Do you deny that those two could only be reunited the way they should in death that life wouldn’t let them have?

@@noctis69something95 Its just that you kinda came across as negative. Even if you're joking. Kinda a mood ruiner tbh.

@@bugjams That’s not Negative. That’s a Greek Tragedy for you. And your talking to a gay person. So if if anyone knows how those usually go, it’s us

Uh..huh

hey bro, don’t mind if i take down a whole army for you? no homo btw

Just a couple of dudes being gay

@@darkshadow0125 it's not gay if you say no homo

@@kfkkfk7995 they didn't say no homo

Is this a reference to The Song of Achilles?

what has hector ever done to me?

They'd be pretty bad friends if they didn't tho

Seems like one of those relationships where they're just super bros and then some

In the iliad they're just super bros, them being closer than that was rarely in plays about half a millennia after the Iliad and only now is growing in popularity.

Lazaros Theocharis well even in the Iliad Achilles asks to have their ashes together and goes crazy after Patroclus dies, beats a river god and kills Hector in his rage. It might’ve not been explicitly mentioned but it was enough to put their relationship under question

@@serendipitygate9223 Normally I am always the first to complain that Christianity has made greeks very ignorant of the prevalence of homosexuality in Greek myths but here you're also thinking about it from a different time period. There's nothing about these facts that implies that they were more than super bros. Achilles' rage isn't even something unique to Patroclus' death, for starters it starts when he feels slighted by his fellow Achaeans and there's also that Amazon queen whose name escapes me, when they meet on the battlefield he mortally wounded her and when a fellow Greek finished her off Achilles again flies into a rage amd kills him with his hands.

@@riptrojans7237 From what I understand of Greece at the time, it was not uncommon for boys to sleep together or male teachers with their male students. What was odd about Patroclus and Achilles was that they remained just as close from childhood into adulthood - ultimately remaining that way in death. I personally don't think, even though Achilles was proud and easily angered, that it's fair to say they were just super bros. There are other same-sex friendships in Greek myths that do not reach the level of despair that Achilles is shown to have had at the death of Patroclus. I think, taking the time period into account, it was odd -something of note- at the time, but tolerated because of who they were. Who could tell Achilles, the greatest of the Greeks, their hero in the war, what to do? Achilles also dressed as a girl when he was young to avoid going to war, which was not looked at in the most positive of lights. It's just that those facets did not deserve more time than they had because there were more important things going on than their relationship (the war).

from what i understand, Achille has affection for Briseis but didn't love her in a romantic way or he did in a platonic way. Because in the illiade, when Agamenon return Briseis to Achille, he said "that he never touch the virgin Briseis" so the relation between Achille and Briseis wasn't one of typical lovers.

@@efaristi9737 I know, but on Achilles-Brad Pit version they bang a lots.

@@ornachia2489 oh ok, sorry^^

@Rhese Avallone well, she is depicted as a war prisonner in most case and war prisonner frequently become slaves. I don't quite understand why Achille would marry her, he doesnt have much to gain from her. as far as i'm aware, women, even royal ones, aren't worth much in ancient greece. Or is it to make up for the murder of her husband and brothers? this is a really weird way if i may say but maybe only to my eyes of man of 2020. Yaaay, big wedding, the big dream of every girls lol XD. Beside, he knew he was doomed to die. Did he wanted Patroclus to replace him as a son and father? that's what i'm interpreting from your sentence, sorry if i'm wrong.

Won't you get up off, get up off the roof

@elyse Sin some of us love Achilles, its not much but its true

Armin M YEEESSS i love that book! it made me cry so much

I read The song of Achilles some years ago and I still can’t get over it, It’s one of my favorite books, I find myself re-reading it several times because I miss it lol

@@fairytooth03 me too! 😂 Never getting tired of Patrochilles💕. I fell in love with them since I studied The Iliad in middle school.

This is stupid and disgusting. The absolute state of you freaks lmao

@@fiddlesticks7245 You don't like reading books? Cause we're talking about a book. Also we don't need your negativity. Xoxo. 💕💕💕💕

Yeah, I guess you should give them all the nectar you can and then just keep talking to them, but I can't tell for sure, since I had it all maxed out before the update.

Yes to your second question.

1) Hector makes no appearance/isn't mentioned in this game (but Achilles and Patroclus do discuss some events from the Illiad that they were involved in from their own perspectives) 2) Yes, 9 Olympians are involved in this game (some others that don't appear are vaguely referenced. And there's also Underworld Gods and various other Greek myth characters who appear) :)

listen it's really nice armor

With the way Greek armour was back then, Patroclus might've been completely covered. Plus this is a game. They probably took creative liberty with the art.

And they're dead here so...we don't need to give a shit

Distance and stuff. It’s not like one person saw his skin colour and just screamed waaaaait! That’s not Achilles and everyone stopped fighting

Yasamin Gate lol nice one

They were lovers in the romantic sense.

I don't know about sexual, but in the romantic since I think they were lovers

Homer portrayed them vaguely, it was argued for centuries if they had a sexual or platonic but very close relationship.

Yup they are a couple here. It's pretty easy to tell with the interactions before this one

Do you really think the game made him gay, rather than the fact he just was in Greek mythology? Homosexuality was very common in ancient Greece.

@@acoolphin8846 You know most ancient Greeks were bisexual right, hell they don't even make labels of being gay, straight or bi it was either eros(sexual) or philia (close friendship) which many ancient Greeks argued of which they were.

Idk man wanting your ashes mixed with your best friend's is hella sus

Achilles was either homosexual or bisexual. He loved Patroclus, and killed many men due to his rage. Much like a husband and wife would, they mixed their ashes together. Not to mention, Plato was pretty damn sure they were in love as well, it even historically tells you? you narrow-minded dumbass.

no, only in the movie Troy were they ever called cousins and that movie is full of inaccuracies to the Illiad & other greek mythos, like making Patroclus younger than Achilles when it was the other way around, or making the Trojans sympathetic by saying Helen left with Paris of her own free will when she was taken by him. Achilles and Patroclus were very close friends and its been argued since the writing of the Illiad if they were lovers, and given the proper context I would think so, but they were never related.

no , they were not. Patroclus and Achilles were lovers , as Ancient Greece were way more open. Achilles was already married in Greece , with a son , but he also had Patroclus as a male lover and Briseis as a female lover.

Yeah. They’re cousins just like Sailor Uranus and Sailor Neptune.

The married god king of Greek mythology literally took the forms of animals to lay(sometimes forcibly) with other women, some of them being his grand daughters. Two male cousins have a relationship is pretty tame compared to that.

Nihil Ego the cousins thing is, as cole hooter started, only done in the movie Troy. It was very likely they were lovers as Ancient Greece was hella gay