Hades and Persephone

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8 жыл бұрын

Finally! The much-requested video on why I love Hades and Persephone and why I haven't done a recommendations video yet. I mentioned a hand full of retellings that are on my TBR, but below is a list of ones I have already reviewed. Once I find the ~perfect~ retelling, I will have all of them compiled in a recommendations video :)
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@MsAngelique 6 жыл бұрын

I like the idea of Persephone being soft spoken and gentle, but still snarky and nasty when she needs to be.

@Mariusweeddeath 6 жыл бұрын

I always like the idea that Hades is just very efficient worker and ruler of the Underworld and just like to keep to himself, with Persephone being the more vocal, friendly and sociable side to the relationship. Hades is willing to let certain slights against him slide but Persephone isn't and she is able to get Hades to pull up his belt and get some pride in him. Its not like Hades doesn't go to the usual Olympus barbecue, but when he does he like to sit in the back and talk to the other minor gods. After Persephone, he is a bit more sociable among the other Major Gods. They are both somewhat incomplete without the other but together they work best.

@wordsandstuff 8 жыл бұрын

One of my biggest pet peeves with any mythology retellings are where the antagonist is Hades or where he's used to replace Satan. Hades is (imo) the normal one of the three power gods. He's the one with a conscience and he's the one who keeps mostly to himself and does what he does within the laws of justice. In the book I'm writing freaking Zeus is the villain. It's actually a Hades/Persephone story as well, with elements of other literary figures but anyway Zeus is the villain. So sick of seeing everyone paint Hades in this terrible light based on assumptions because he's the ruler over the underworld.

@collector832 8 жыл бұрын

I love it when books take "good guys" and make them villains. I absolutely LOVE THAT! I can't wait to read your book. Best of luck!

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

YES! I actually get so mad when any media portrayal has Zeus has a good guy. He's a glorified frat boy tbh.

@nokiddingbrainless 8 жыл бұрын

That may very well be the best description of Zeus I have ever read.

@Alias1495 7 жыл бұрын

Thoughts on Tomes There is an author I found recently named Rachel Alexander that published two books that I think are very good interpretations of Hades and Persephone. The first book is called Receiver of Many and it also has a sequel titled Destroyer of Light. She was originally a fanfic writer, but it feels like she did a lot of her research for both books as far as the mythology, which is nice. She can be found on Tumblr and I think she also has a website. Both of her books are available for purchase on Amazon if you want to check them out. Hades isn't a villain in this story, which is a characteristic you look for in Hades/Persephone stories as you mentioned. Persephone is also very much Queen of the Underworld.

@Alias1495 7 жыл бұрын

I just got to the very end of the video and realized you know about Receiver of Many. Lol. ^_^

@LibbyStephenson 8 жыл бұрын

Classics major here! You're absolutely right about the term "rape." It was most likely a transliteration of the Latin "rapio" which means "to seize or abduct" and does not imply anything about sex. In fact, that is also an archaic definition of "rape" in English. In Greek, the word I've seen most is "harpazo" which also means simply "abduct."

@Lynartz 3 жыл бұрын

In spanish is Rapto which is abduct. I was horrified first time I heard about the myth in English.

@booknerdtori7103 8 жыл бұрын

Hades and Persephone is one of my favorite myths too. I always get so upset when Hades is always seen as the "evil" god. It pains me. Persephone is probably one of my favorite goddess as well because she became a bad ass Queen. (Also she's spring and I was born in spring, so...) I can't tell you enough how much I loved this video.

@taylaleonardis6951 7 жыл бұрын

I would totally read your version of Hades and Persephone. Legit you should write your own version, it would be perfect.

@ThoughtsOnTomes 7 жыл бұрын

I can't say I haven't thought about it...

@NovelistDienne 7 жыл бұрын

Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks this way. Every time I express my love for this myth and my super crush on Hades, lots of people gives me crazy looks, which is understandable.

@ThoughtsOnTomes 7 жыл бұрын

People don't realize how nuanced it can be!

@mobilehomelivingspaces 7 жыл бұрын

"That Fatal Kiss" is my favorite book about the story of Hades and Persephone. It's awesome.

@nasreenn6628 7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the new perspective. Previously, I had the negative impression of what happened with Persephone going to the Underworld but this gave me a new viewpoint. What's interesting is your description of what you want to see in a retelling reminds me of Tangled (overbearing mother, girl goes with guy to a new world, she kicks ass and is on equal footing with guy, becomes powerful leader). Not exact but most definitely some similarities :D

@ThoughtsOnTomes 7 жыл бұрын

Omg you are so right. That's probably why Tangled is one of my favorites :)

@LevementeNerd 8 жыл бұрын

I love hearing your interpretations! As a child, I was obsessed with Greek Mythology ( I blame Percy Jackson),and one of my clearest memories of this time is discussing Hades and Persephone in the kitchen while we cooked dinner. I really hope you find that one retelling you are looking for!

@IamDifferent101 8 жыл бұрын

The Court of Mist and Fury is sooooo good holy moly

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

@faeriesparks 8 жыл бұрын

I love this video so much! I was vaguely familiar with the Hades and Persephone myth but you mentioned a lot of key points that I had no idea about that now got me a lot more interested in the myth and retellings of it! This video also made me realise there were a lot more Hades and Persephone parallels in ACOMAF than I initially thought

@angelgray701 7 жыл бұрын

A Court Of Mist and Fury 💎 😘

@markvicferrer 3 жыл бұрын

I think the "meek, unassuming" Persephone is due to her being with Demeter. She's been held back for so long that being around someone who lets her be herself eventually becomes the birth of a queen.

@rebeccavaughn8897 3 жыл бұрын

Meek or pretends to be meek?

@markvicferrer 3 жыл бұрын

@@rebeccavaughn8897 meek in the sense she was coddled her entire life before Hades, not knowing how strong her sense of character actually is. She simply didn't know any better until she stood far away from her mother's shadow. There's a word for it, & I'm struggling to remember, but it's something like imperative or impetus. She never knew she had it in her to be a ruler.

@zoeapostolidou3964 2 жыл бұрын

That's literally not supported at all by the ancient sources but go off

@aliceloveshun 4 жыл бұрын

I like Persephone's kindness, i like so mutch her personality! I i like her relalionship with Hades.

@EleutheraPineapple 8 жыл бұрын

Hades and Persephone = Rhaegar and Lyanna. Changing seasons. Game of thrones. Lol just a thought.

@ayanjamah8384 7 жыл бұрын

CHD1648 I love this comment so much

@sadafs8866 7 жыл бұрын

CHD1648 yesyesyes

@zainhartono7193 6 жыл бұрын

Rhaegar was a dickhead. Sure sneak out with a woman who’s family are known for their stubbornness and temper without telling a soul. That wouldn’t upset people. Then, when things turned to shit why not just ride off to war anyway? He’s a bloody idiot. Of all the things he could have done, fighting Robert would have served only to confirm he did something wrong.

@SarahSunbeemz 8 жыл бұрын

This video was so amazing! I love Hades/Persephone stories and this video discussed everything so well

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you liked it!! :)

@lesyablackbird 7 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I've like Hades and Persephone for a while now, but it was more in the background. But since I've watched you talk about them in diff videos, you have really brought it all back for me! Its really sparking a lot of idea and possibly even generating a future comic about them. Thanks for that!

@kambria9773 5 жыл бұрын

Have you read Lore Olympus? :3 (web comic retelling of H&P)

@grekoy 4 жыл бұрын

There's a web comic about the myth on webtoons called hades and persphone ficlets.

@talesofwhoa2147 8 жыл бұрын

This was so informative, I LOVE Greek mythology but I didn't know a lot of these details on Hades and Persephone. Their archetype seems so interesting! Thank you for sharing this video!! Love it❤️

@jordiemooon 8 жыл бұрын

I am so glad you finally made this video! I honestly didn't know too much about the myths & modern interpretations with Hades & Persephone, and I learned A LOT just by watching this ♥ I hope you enjoy your TBR and at least one of them ends up being a 5 star :D

@Brittme2011 8 жыл бұрын

I honestly didn't know much about Hades and Persephone before this, but after watching your interpretation video.... I want to re-read ACOMAF so bad. There are so many parallels.

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

YESSSSS

@mychemromanceband 7 жыл бұрын

high key so happy that you didn't want to offend anyone. I worship them and I want to find that perfect story too

@Elosabeth 8 жыл бұрын

This was so interesting to hear about!!! I've never really gone in depth into this myth and so loved hearing it explained from your point of view. Wicked is already on my TBR so that's exciting and I can't wait to hear your opinion of the other books :)

@Incipientgamer 5 жыл бұрын

You are correct when you say Hades is the best of the brothers. As for Demeter, she just wanted Kore to have the choice she( Demeter) never had.

@pixelsin96 7 жыл бұрын

There's a trilogy i read about hades and persephone and it's so good! you gotta check it out. It's called Seeds by M M Kin

@paigeondrek3420 5 жыл бұрын

I’m currently drafting a Hades and Persephone retelling/reimagining and I feel like it hits all the marks you’ve listen as I definitely agree with everything you said! 👏🏻👏🏻 I currently just call it “The Wreck of Our Hearts” based on a song that I was listening to when I thought of it

@elizabethgamez9293 8 жыл бұрын

After watching this video I have this urge to google everything that is Persephone any retellings that include Persephone and Hades. *off to goodreads*

@DontHaveaDegreeinReading 8 жыл бұрын

I am fighting the same urge. LOL

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

YESSS! I have a shelf on goodreads that I'm adding mine to as well :)

@thewordsthewoods 8 жыл бұрын

Hey Sam, awesome video! I've been wondering what this whole Hades and Persephone-thing was about for a while now, since you talk about it often ;) Looking forward to your recommendations-vid in the future!

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Ldychubb 8 жыл бұрын

That was awesome! I added the two you showed in this video to my TBR!!! I can't wait to hear your reviews!!! 😊

@finassm 8 жыл бұрын

Omg thank you so much Sam for this much needed 101!! Every time you mention how much you love the Hades&Persephone elements in such and such book I run off to Wikipedia but I'm still left scratching my head haha

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

Yay! I'm glad it was helpful!

@WorldInHazel 8 жыл бұрын

When I was in college I really enjoyed reading greek mythology. I've always found it interesting. So cool to see a Booktube video about it. 😊

@TheSnowwhite1987 7 жыл бұрын

I recommend you read "Goddesses in every women " & "Gods in every men" by Jean Shinoda Bolen. They're more of a psychology approach books, but I think you will love them.

@pursepurse1652 8 жыл бұрын

Yes! Hades and Persephone have always been my number one since day one! Part of it has to do with Persephone being black and having that rare representation (because her mother was the Goddess of the Harvest - which young me equated with the earth and so with being brown, like myself) and part of it being with the allure of the underworld and all that ~darkness~ my emo preteen self loved. Also I always loved how motherly and protective Demeter was as well.

@koldbrevv 6 жыл бұрын

Persephone I love your reason but I don't think persephone was black b/c this is a greek mythology and greeks are white, also every single painting, drawing, statue.. etc, percieved her as white. Though, I could be wrong so if I am, then do not attack me with comments saying I'm racist bc I'm really not, as I myself am half black and half middle eastern. 💖💖 Oh and I also loved how you used your creativity and imagination in creating your own personalized thoughts on their appearances.

@ScorpionFlower95 6 жыл бұрын

+Nina S i was about to comment the same thing as you, that she was always depicted as white and that greek people are not black and i also agree with you, saying that doesn't make you a racist

@natashauy1421 4 жыл бұрын

That's beautiful. I love how when you were young you related so well as Demeter being Goddess of Harvest. Don't listen to these other people saying what they're saying below. You depict it how you want and the way you relate earth to your beautiful brown skin makes so much sense. I love this myth.

@zoeapostolidou3964 2 жыл бұрын

That's actually not correct. Persephone, Demeter and all other goddesses are described as being "white armed" and generally fair. Also, why would the ancient Greeks create Gods that resembled people other than themselves? It would make no sense. All Pantheons around the world feature deities modelled after the people who created them and the Greek pantheon is no exception to the rule.

@pursepurse1652 2 жыл бұрын

@@zoeapostolidou3964 this is all myth zoe, you know, like not real. relax doll

@thepinstripemaster 8 жыл бұрын

This was so interesting and informative!! I would love more videos like this (if possible because I know this was a very specific topic)

@amyr3293 8 жыл бұрын

The retelling Seeds by M M Kin seems to have really good reviews on good reads, I've been meaning to check it out

@shellby1994 7 жыл бұрын

i really enjoyed PC Cast's Goddess Summoning companion series and the second book is about Persephone and Hades, it's really good

@iQOUTY 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the expenation. I've seen the hades/persephone tag many times on ao3, but the storys were all different and none played in ancient greece. I was very confused so... Thanks! :D

@marnetteryes2613 8 жыл бұрын

I really enjoy a lot of these themes in stories and characters, I hadn't realised so many came from this myth, it's very cool. I'll definitely keep this in mind with my future writing

@riri820highfi 6 жыл бұрын

Can I just say that your entire esthetic is GOALS! You’re so beautiful and I love how you love all this mythical and fantasy. Super awesome and amazing video ! I love the name persephone btw.

@ThoughtsOnTomes 6 жыл бұрын

ah thank youuu

@WishFulfillment 8 жыл бұрын

Fantastic video. I really enjoyed learning the tidbits about the myth that I didn't already know. And I think this was necessary since you mention enjoying these retellings pretty regularly! I still wonder what you'd think of George O'Connor's graphic novel series and the Hades/Persephone myth in that one.

@morganjohnson1824 7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for touching on this myth!! It is one of my favorites

@xPROJECTHARDCOVERx 8 жыл бұрын

omg! THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS!!!! I've been wanting to talk about this on my channel for the LONGEST time! I LOOOOOVE the Hades and Persephone myth! I have since i was a kid, and i HATE how a lot of people see it as a "abduction story" or a "rape story" or anything negative like that. Persephone was a BAMF! She wasn't going to be anyone's prisoner, not even her mother's! I'm just soooo glad someone else sees, and loves, this story the same way i do! :D

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

YESSS! I'm constantly defending this myth to anyone who talks crap about them.

@nerdgirlreview1910 8 жыл бұрын

I love this video so much! Greek mythology is one of my favorite topics and Hades really is one of my favorite Greek gods. He has so much chill compared to Zeus who really does need to keep his legs closed.

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

Zeus is a mess tbh

@stafar49 8 жыл бұрын

Yesssss I love Hades/Persephone mythos! Which is why I became OBSESSIVE with Sarah Maas' Court of Mist and Fury. It ticked all of my boxes and THEN some and I realized all the things I disliked in the first book (relationship/personality-wise) were deliberate and it just made me glow with squishy H&P feels. I also like Goddess of the Rose by PC Cast even though there's some myth-mixing, the main character travels to The Underworld so it gives me the right vibes. I am 100% in agreement with you on what makes H&P great and I'm looking forward to your rec video whenever you get to that point.

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

Oooh I'll have to check out the PC Cast one. Yes that was one of the reasons I adored ACOMAF as well because SO MANY PARALLELS!

@teenoli 7 жыл бұрын

Since I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, Receiver of Many by Rachel Alexander is *the* most faithful retelling of the Hades Persephone myth I've read.If you're interested in a story about Kore growing into her destiny as the Dread Persephone, definitely give it a shot.

@ThoughtsOnTomes 7 жыл бұрын

Oh good!!! I actually own that one so that's so good to know.

@catpers 6 жыл бұрын

I like the Seeds series better by M. M. Kin ... I feel that it's very faithful to the myths of not just Persephone and Hades, but the other gods/goddesses too.

@cxcountry09 6 жыл бұрын

Ooo I found the first six chapters on fanfiction and bought the ebook and just got the sequel! So good!

@deannascorner8112 2 жыл бұрын

I think so many of the goddesses in Greek history have been painted with such a bad brush or as you said had no agency that they all deserve so much better. I am so interested in them so much…

@clarecarter9172 8 жыл бұрын

Beauty and the Beast is my favorite thing ever so I totally understand where you're coming from!

@marisadasilvamartins4264 7 жыл бұрын

Have you read "Goddess of Spring" by P. C. Cast? I hated "The Goddess Test", but loveddddddd Goddess of Spring 😍😍😍

@DontHaveaDegreeinReading 8 жыл бұрын

I have always had an interest in Greek myth so I very much enjoyed this discussion video. Keep up the good work!

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you liked it!

@deannahines2004 4 жыл бұрын

Coming to this thread SUPER late, but I just read Promise of Darkness by Bec McMaster and it's one of the better Hades & Persephone retellings I've read. New Adult with fae lore as well -- definitely recommend.

@oliviaharris9385 6 жыл бұрын

i would like to see a retelling where Persephone feels like she should live up to her mother and her expectations but grows into her own before and after she meets Hades. she realizes that she doesn't have to live up to her mother and becomes her own kind of god;. she's the one that helps dispenses judgment and justice along with Hades. she also becomes one/only person confidant and partner to him. she basically becomes the goddess that becomes a mix of life and justice for the dead

@booksbyleynes 8 жыл бұрын

Currently watching this but I'm already so grateful that you made this video because I have never heard of that myth and I really wanna read this now!!! Can you recommend a good english translation of the Greek original?

@xoxoxodeborahoxoxox 7 жыл бұрын

Have you read the Abandon series by Meg Cabot? It's also a retelling of the Hades and Persephone myth. I really like it and I like Cabot's version of the underworld. Anyway, I really liked your video, you've got a new subscriber :)

@Arabesque42 7 жыл бұрын

Deborah Sommer yes!

@LettySharpeWrites 8 жыл бұрын

I love this pairing/myth so much. Thanks for making a video about it, Sam! :-)

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you enjoyed it!

@purpleracoon9516 8 жыл бұрын

The other day I was making reseach about Greek mythology in english (I'm portuguese, so english is my second language) and I found the myth of "The Rape of Europe" and my reation was the same as yours since rape is different than abduction or kidnapping. What I thought at the time was an error in translation from Latin to English because in my language (just a reminder, portuguese is a language that was influenced by Latin), the word for "Kidnapping" is "Rapto" which is very simular to "Rape" (in portuguese "Rape" is "Violação" or "Abuso sexual". Anyway, great discussion. I really enjoyed it.

@pinkeyepro 8 жыл бұрын

Have you read Goddess of Spring by PC Cast? It is a H/P retelling and it is considered a romance novel. It has been a long time since I read it and if I remember correctly, it contains some of the problems you mentioned in this vid, I.E. Brooding Hades. However, I enjoyed reading it and wanted to mention it to you! ♡

@razbataz1 8 жыл бұрын

My ears perk up whenever there is anything to do with Greek mythology so I really enjoyed this video. Hope you find your five star book soon

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

@bellanovela7742 7 жыл бұрын

Have you read "Sharp Objects" by Gillian Flynn? Hades and Persephone is mentioned in it

@kelseyaline802 4 жыл бұрын

I’m drafting a H and P retelling and I really want to start with the meek Persephone and like as the character comes into her own she really becomes a pint sized powerhouse who takes no shît because I personally find a character going and changing and being able to come into their own when they weren’t before interesting . But that’s just my rambles

@itscatherinemonroe1 8 жыл бұрын

I know I recommended Deathless already and you're probably aware of this but it has similar themes to the Hades and Persephone myth. The only think you probably wouldn't like about it is the fact that Koschei is kind of bad, but he's a representation of a russian demon so it makes sense. But I do feel like Marya Morevna is pretty much the Persephone you say you like to read about! She goes with Koschei willingly, she is constantly surrounded by life and death elements and she becomes a fierce queen who's also a soldier and she ultimately proves to be stronger than Koschei. I just feel the need to constantly tell people to read this book since I'm completely obsessed with it, hahaha

@sellway 8 жыл бұрын

Have you read The Shadow Prince by Bree Despain? It's the first part of a triology based on the Persephone myth.

@brandimullins3627 3 жыл бұрын

Love your hair like this!!!!

@kiramartin4698 5 жыл бұрын

You need to check out ‘The Receiver of Many’! Its by far the best I have found, the author really knows her greek mythology and I die over the relationship between Hades and Persephone. It is so well written, Persephone does start out very sheltered (which is understandable with her wacko mom) but she definitely grows and is never at a power struggle with Hades. Ugh its the best retelling, seriously go give it a read!

@xelaworrierprincess7166 8 жыл бұрын

This is why I love the Court of Mist and Fury as a retelling. Sorry for spoilers for anyone in the comment section - . . . It shows the love and respect that Hades had for Persephone and her making the choice to be with him. Sure it isn't exactly the same, but there are many similarities that are just on point for me. Perhaps Tamlin is one in the same as the Demeter, him being from the Spring Court and 'trapping' Feyre. Feyre, like Persephone, is not weak willed and embraces the Night Court and the freedom that she is allowed with Rhys as opposed to Tamlin. I haven't watched your Court of Mist and Fury videos so I'm not sure if you've already made these points, but as far as fairly accurate character descriptions go, Mist&Fury is the bomb for me, although it has been a couple years since I studied the myth.

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

Oh absolutely! I mention so many parallels in my review and I'll definitely be talking about it in length when I do my recommendations video.

@CozyAsha 8 жыл бұрын

I think You should write your own book on the two . Please do it!!

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

If I ever write a book, if it's not a direct retelling it will definitely have H&P elements FOR SURE!

@a.m.p.m.965 8 жыл бұрын

I feel like I have this problem with Robin Hood retellings. I love the idea of them, and I am excited to pick them up, but I am inevitably under-whelmed, both by books and movies/TV. Disney's fox Robin Hood remains my top. I hope you find a Hades and Persephone retelling that checks all your boxes!

@ShiroAr1 6 жыл бұрын

Hi Sam, have you ever heard of the Myth o Mania series? It’s a middle school series but Kate McMullan has Hades retell the myths as they were and not how Zeus tells the world.

@ErinKinsella 5 жыл бұрын

KZfaq just recommended your video to me and I have a recommendation! I actually wrote a Hades and Persephone story. Hades is an awesome dude in it, and Persephone grows hugely as a character, and no one would be very willing to mess with her by the end. Hades is all about encouraging her self-discovery and giving her opportunities to flex her muscles that she doesn't get on Olympus. It's called Olympian Confessions: Hades and Persephone. I don't know if you're still looking for recs, but figured I'd leave it here just in case ^_^

@markkoehr5003 8 жыл бұрын

Hades is so much better than Zeus, Poseidon and the other gods. Zeus raped Hera as an animal, forced her to marry him because she lost her virginity, and then constantly cheats on her with anything with a pulse. Don't get me started on the Medusa story. She starts out as a loyal priestess of Athena but loses her virginity when Poseidon rapes her. When Medusa seeks Athena's help, Athena turns her an her two sisters into gorgons for getting raped!!! WHAT THE HELL ATHENA?!!!

@MT-lk7qt 7 жыл бұрын

I read that there was an interpretation that Athena turned them to gorgons in order to protect them from men who would try to attack them.

@ScorpionFlower95 6 жыл бұрын

+M T and look how much that helped them, especially Medusa 😂 Also, Athena helped Perseus kill her and after the deed was done, the head was given to Athena as a gif and she put it on her shield. Athena was a huuuuge dick in that myth

@ananojner6701 4 жыл бұрын

Athena did that because Madusa was with Poseidon in Parthenon. That was disgraceful.

@zoeapostolidou3964 2 жыл бұрын

Zeus' marriage to Hera differs according to the source and no, he never raped her as an animal. He tricked her by turning into a bird in some versions. And there is a reason he "cheats with anything with a pulse" (wildly untrue). As a King of his time, he was expected to be provided with worthy heirs from his wife. He was not, neither Ares nor Hephaestus were worthy enough and so, he sought women of noble lines to give him these children-women that held traits of Hera, no less. And that was also a way for the ancient Greeks to justify his title of "Father of Hellenes and Father of the Gods"

@zoeapostolidou3964 2 жыл бұрын

And no, in Greek mythology, Medusa was never cursed. You're speaking of a retelling written by Ovid, a Roman poet who made a habit of twisting the myths for his own political gain. Medusa in Greek mythology had been born a Gorgon, just like her sisters. She was neither a priestess of Athena nor was she assaulted by Poseidon. In Greek mythology and more specifically, in Hesiod's Theogony, we learn of Poseidon being with Medusa in a field of flowers and it is shown to be completely consensual. And no, ad you can probably tell, Athena never cursed Medusa or her sisters.

@melaphant2149 8 жыл бұрын

I really enjoyed watching this video. I learned something new. I have also read a few books where Hades was an asshole and Persephone (although I didn't know she was Persephone at the time) was this innocent and rather boring character. It's always frustrating and I completely agree that a book would be far better if they just put these two characters on equal footing. Hopefully one of your TBRs turns out to be a five star. I'm ready to see that video lol. P.S. I love how eloquent you are in your videos.Really enjoy them 😊

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

Aw thank you :) Yes! It's so annoying how wrong they tend to get both characters.

@Line8pigen 7 жыл бұрын

There's a retelling of the myth on the internet called: Myth: My seasons. it is so good, and it tells the story where Persephone went with Hades willingly herself and her falling in love with him first. it's very good, but it is made as a comic. credits to the author! she's fantastic!

@oowatwat 5 жыл бұрын

I just realized a perfect example of a Hades-Persephone relationship is The Blue Sword series - that was one of the most low-key romances that I've ever read but it was also the sweetest

@sara22185 8 жыл бұрын

Didn't you say you gave ACOMAF on its own 5 stars? What didn't you like in terms of that retelling?

@angelgray701 7 жыл бұрын

BUUUUT she had not yet read the A Court Of Mist and Fury at the time this video was made

@tia_vaughn 8 жыл бұрын

Radiant Darkness by Emily Whitman is a great Hades/Persephone retelling. I really enjoyed it.

@karendanderfer3352 8 жыл бұрын

Such an interesting video!!! Love it ❤

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

@ananojner6701 4 жыл бұрын

There is a book called "For the love of Hades". I haven't read it yet, but the description is pretty interesting.

@tropetrinitytrilogy8533 8 жыл бұрын

Have you read the princess curse by merrie haskell? it is a combination of the Hadea and Persephone myth, the twelve dancing princesses and sleeping beauty. I really like it. I feel the protagonist fits your interpretation of Persephone. However it is middle grade so less romantic and it doesn't get to the part where she rules as a bad ass queen. But she's clever, driven, and does what she wants, which is great. I recommend it!

@tropetrinitytrilogy8533 8 жыл бұрын

I forgot to add it does involve life and death and the underworld like you like. And the Hades representation isnt an ass. there might be a sequel qhich I hope for and then I could see her as queen.

@Kiki-oo3bw 5 жыл бұрын

You should read 'The Closed Doors' by Pauline Albanese. It's beautiful and the only 5 star rating I've given to a Hades and Persephone retelling.

@janehall8613 7 жыл бұрын

Love your makeup!

@pugsaregreats 8 жыл бұрын

Have you read any of p.c.casts goddess summoning series? Her version of this myth is my favorite of all the many books I've read based on this pairing.

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

No but a lot of people have mentioned that one!

@09diz 7 жыл бұрын

hey! nice video! would you recommend any good book to get more information on the subject? or site? I mean, not a retelling.

@ThoughtsOnTomes 7 жыл бұрын

thanks! Really, google is the best for this because there are so many resources out there for greek myth, as it is a popular topic. If you want more about the modern version of the tale, definitely be sure to include that in your search. It's tough to find a lot on persephone, because their wasn't much about her and the cult of persephone was pretty secretive as well.

@TamaraLisaBouwhuis 8 жыл бұрын

Hey Samantha! There is only one Hades and Persephone retelling that I have read and that made me curious to see if you have read it. It's called The Goddess Test by Aimée Carter and you actually have read that one, and rated it five stars on Goodreads. So have you changed your mind about that one? It's been a few years since I've read the book so I don't quite remember how much I liked it myself. But I have rate it only three stars. You really got me excited about this myth though!

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

I actually have done a full series review on it, and yes, the series as a whole is stunningly mediocre. When I read the first book, it was just what I needed and I had a ton of hope for it. Since Kate isn't actually Persephone and Persephone still exists, I forgave it for her being naive and innocent, because I thought in later books she'd turn into a boss. And then she didn't and she was useless.

@ev6564 7 жыл бұрын

Now, I'd really like to read The Receiver of Many.

@AnaCarolinaVanzetta 8 жыл бұрын

Have you watched Lucifer? In my view, it is Satan, but with more of a Hades personality. They are kind of mixed. You should watch it, I think you'd like it.

@jillianunrau2387 8 жыл бұрын

ok yes slow burn, hate-to-love, banter relationships are my favouriteeee. also I totally agree with you on the whole "hades isn't evil" thing, like it always gets on my nerves when he's portrayed that way and then zeus is portrayed as like the Best Person Ever (even though he's literally the worst)

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

SERIOUSLY! Every movie with Greek mythology has Zeus as the good guy and I'm always sitting there like "have any of you read literally any of the myths?!"

@jillianunrau2387 8 жыл бұрын

+Thoughts on Tomes ikr! These people really need to do their research 😂

@bookdragon4622 3 жыл бұрын

What do you think of hades and persephone in the musical "Hadestown"?

@ThoughtsOnTomes 3 жыл бұрын

I haven't seen it! I have listened to the soundtrack here and there but its not the same for me as watching the performance.

@amadulce 6 жыл бұрын

Have you read The Cloosed Doors? I think you could like it.

@danisbooks9237 8 жыл бұрын

I love the receiver of many hope you like it :)

@cutsieproductions4805 7 жыл бұрын

Did anybody read the Myth-O-Mania series? Its Hades re telling the different Greek stories

@Kysentha 4 жыл бұрын

What about your thoughts on Lore Olympus from Webtoon?

@ThoughtsOnTomes 4 жыл бұрын

I just caught up recently and I'm obsessed

@MariaM-qq6kv 3 жыл бұрын

More stories (not just Beauty and the Beast) - Snape and Lily (Harry Potter) - Erik and Christine (Phantom of the Opera)

@JoLovesToRead 5 жыл бұрын

Only just watching this now and I’m sad there isn’t a 5 Star one yet!!

@ThoughtsOnTomes 5 жыл бұрын

ITS A TRAGEDY

@marinasyss3344 8 жыл бұрын

Based on what you said, I think you will enjoy the Great Sinner Queen. I personally read that book on Wattpad, and it is on my top favourites retellings ever. Best book ever. I love it. I'm starting to ramble. Please read it.

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

Ooh good to know! It looks like it's a series. Did you read the first book too?

@marinasyss3344 8 жыл бұрын

+Thoughts on Tomes The Great Sinner Queen is the first book I believe. I might be wrong on that. There are two books currently out so get excited 😊

@rebeccavaughn8897 3 жыл бұрын

In mythology, Hades always came across as just, kind, and merciful. He seemed to follow the rules, even if others cheated and he got screwed over in the process. And he was cautious, rarely taking risks, preemptively solving potential problems. So any representation of Hades, to me, needs to have these elements. Whether or not it’s a Persephone story. I could do with Persephone being just about anything, as long as she’s written well. (Persephone changes a lot so I’m more flexible with her interpretation) But Hades needs to actually be Hades. No brooding bad boy allowed.

@marymari7467 7 жыл бұрын

I love your interpretration.

@maiden1744 7 жыл бұрын

I recommend the Abandon trilogy

@Arabesque42 7 жыл бұрын

has anyone read Abandon by Meg Cabot? I think that's a great modern retelling tbh

@krixuntalan3848 6 жыл бұрын

Receiver of Many and Destroyer of Light by Rachel Alexander is an EXCELLENT retelling. ❤️

@ThoughtsOnTomes 6 жыл бұрын

I wasn't a big fan of Receiver of Many. I don't enjoy erotica so it was a bit much for me.

@krixuntalan3848 6 жыл бұрын

Thoughts on Tomes Oh, no problem! I honestly wished it wasn't Erotica, because I felt like it didn't need to be considering how she managed to weave several myths surrounding Hades and Persephone and the underworld into a coherent story. Thanks for replying, btw! :)

@Liz86000 4 жыл бұрын

I love this myth, though for me, Persephone (or Kore as she was known) was very sheltered by her overbearing mother. And yes, through her relationship with Hades, she really finds herself and her power and does eat the seeds of the fruit willingly. I DON'T think she went willingly with him at the beginning at all (and in this, I totally see the parallel with Beauty & the Beast) but with him being a respectful guy and indeed a good God, she does fall in love with him. And like you, I have yet to find a book / retelling on this story... Thank you for the video. :)

@zoeapostolidou3964 2 жыл бұрын

"Kore" was a title used instead of her name. And no, she was not sheltered and Demeter was not an overbearing mom though people do love to project their mommy issues onto her while this claim is supported by no source.

@Liz86000 2 жыл бұрын

@@zoeapostolidou3964 Um, it's a myth, and there are many different versions of it, even at the time of the ancient Greeks. So basically, people can believe whatever they want, without having to call them names or telling them they have "mommy issues" for goodness sake...

@tendswiththepalm 8 жыл бұрын

Would you consider Uprooted as a Hades & Persephone retelling?

@ThoughtsOnTomes 8 жыл бұрын

It definitely has elements but I wouldn't necessarily call it a retelling. It's an amalgamation of so many different things and that's one of the reasons I love it so much. I would say that if people like the H&P myth, they'll probably like Uprooted too.