Thanks for all the movement info all in one video Adrian. Rare to find an expert giving so much knowledge.

Solid value-add video … thanks for what you’re doing. 👏

Great to see and listen to your insights Adrian! Salutari din Romania! ;)

O…and awesome video. Appreciate all the insight!

cheers for the video, Adrian.

Just for clarification, it may come off to some viewers that I've gone off SEIKO totally as a brand. Simply not true. As I repeated multiple times in the video I just think the 8L35 is poor value for money when presented with the logistics of the total cost of ownership of an 8L35 based watch. My goal was to have a balanced view of the cost vs. performance vs. repairability nexus.

Hi Adrian, totally agree with you mate. Great videos.

Great to see a new video from your channel, Adrian. I completely agree with you on the value proposition of modern Seiko (and many other watch brands for that matter). I do believe that once you purchase something, it belongs to you and you should be able to get it serviced yourself or take it to whomever you trust to do the job. Is this behavior from manufacturers merly a result of them wanting to make the most profit? I'm into vintage HiFi, and it always amazes me to find full schematics and technical manuals out there for equipment much more complex than modern mechanical watches. Why can't it be like thst anymore? Anyway, looking forward to the release of the KS buckles, I'll definitely need a couple of those.

From a mechanics point of view all your points are spot on. But this is a hobby of passion and with that some practicality goes out the window. Car people know Alfa Romeos are terrible cars but that doesn’t stop people from lusting after them. Or fantasizing about driving them on a sunny day in south of France. You accept some inconvenience in order to have some things you want. Is that ideal? No. But how many things in life are perfect? Here is a question. If you could service/repair it and you had full OEM support would you charge the same price for a 7s and it’s derivatives as you would for an 8l35? Based on everything you said it shouldn’t be much different. It’s simple with less parts. I don’t think you would. I think you would ride the “premium” train a charge more. I do agree with you that due to a lot of ignorance there is some major overblown hype on these. At the current +\-$3k price these are at in 2024 they are much more expensive then they used to be, but so is everything else. A Sub is $9500, in that light an sbdx017 or whatever for $2500 street price is way less. Not as good but 8/10s there. Certainly a great deal for me because it ticks all the other boxes. And if I have to send it to Japan once every 7 years. So what. It’s not a car that needs a service every few months.

Thank you you just saved me a grip of money and headache i personally dont want to send my watch across the ocean for repairs or service. Part of the enjoyment of ownership is the relationship you have with your local trusted repair shop. Would you buy a toyota if you had to send it to Japan for repairs. I think not. I will be sticking with my Seiko willard spb153. A little over priced but i absolutely love it.

I wish you did more videos, I really enjoy your content.

Thanks will stick with my King Turtle no MM300 for me With positional adjustment at night within a second for three weeks at 700aud for the Japan version

Any idea what the amplitude should be on a 8L35 should be? I have a piece with 0 beat rate error and lift rate angle of 52. Watch is running 40 seconds fast

I got the SLA043, beautiful watch. Great to learn about the movement inside. Crazy how Seiko dont offer parts for service in Australia.

Seiko 8L35 is a good movement (diver), doesn’t need a lot of adjustments, just under a chronometer grade, just treat it kindly, it’ll be +/- 10-15 ... if you want more, go Pelagos, or Grand Seiko, Omega, Rolex. I always figure I’m also buying the service network too, therefore Rolex is the tops in the US. I hear a lot of “stuff” about Seiko, so I just bought one; hell, let Hodinkee & others haggle on the phone. Until Seiko refines it’s service section, I’ll go Swiss (Rolex) anyday!

Very informative. I take your point about the servicing and the regulators may bring in some reforms. Talking about value proposition that is why some people say the GS Spring Drive technology is great value because you rarely have to have these watches serviced (because it uses the quartz crystal to control the balance spring and has less parts). What are thoughts on this? Cheers.

Watching every video Adrian

Tudor MT5612 versus Seiko 8L35B what are your thoughts?

Hello there! You serviced a 1968 5126 based Seiko 5 of mine a couple of years back. Excellent work. Good to know that you are able to work on some of the newer movements. I have a SARB 017 that is due here in a few months that I would consider sending your way, if you were so obliged. 🙂

I have a 8L55....i guess its better than 8L35....runs to +15 seconds per day......painful.What do you think about it???Regards.....

I didn't see an 8L35 anywhere in his room during this video. 😕

One thing to perhaps help make the value-prop point more black and white, is to give some $$ insight to what the two paths would look like for a ‘nothing broken’ full service. One path back to Seiko, the other a reputable repair shop. If anyone has an invoice for back-to-base service, could you share the bottom line? The right to repair path may need to factor in sourcing the star driver and rotor tool, but otherwise, time, cleaning chemicals and lube seems run of the mill?

more than zero ;-)

Many thanks for the presentation. I must say I was brainwashed by seiko fanboys into believing that the 8L35 to be better than rolex/omega movements. I think the truth is that a lot of people cannot afford to buy a rolex so they buy the Seiko and brag that the MM300 is a better watch than Rolex Submariner... this is a bit pathetic and sad i must admit. You also opened my eyes on Seiko's strategy, it markets itself as a value per dollar watch but in the end it's the Japanese who are the best at marketing not the Swiss lol

Great content. I appreciate your views about this movement, but my love for this watch remains unaltered (maybe I am more a Corolla man after all). Your criticism of Seiko's policy to not sell parts is spot on, and many brands are guilty as well (Stowa is a company that deserves praise for its opposite approach to customer service). As for serviceability of the 8l35 in the (very) long term, it is reassuring to know that it is a rather ordinary movement without any exotic material. In the future, I sincerely hope that independent watchmakers like you will be able to remanufacture parts that are not available or sold by the manufacturer. (Another unanswered question would be about why Seiko uses the 8l35 mainly for dive watches. This is also part of the myth.)