Thank you.

Agreed! I had a good chuckle when Jonathan said that. 😂

Ha ha!! Me too! It’s how I subscribed to More Christ.

Touché! Me too! 😂

That’s how I found it too

And me!

Me too! 😁

I'm glad Jon brought up the description as explanation phenomenon. Example: Mental activity and the experience thereof is often 'explained' as neurochemicals interacting amongst themselves via electrical stimulation. That's a description of a process, not an explanation. And yes, it is all over the place. Think K - 12 and 'higher education'. And of course, Neil Degrasse Tyson. 😃👍🌿

@@Joe-sg9ll Indeed, the table is Set.

Thank you brother 🙏

Thank you brother! 🙏🙏🙏

Thanks for the kind words, P.H! Welcome aboard!

I feel the same way. Part of the joy of the journey is to walk it together, and I feel something good when I see in Jonathan or in Jordan Peterson or in your comment this desire to climb this mountain. Makes it easier to climb myself. I hope that someday it will feel like all our families and friends and the wider culture climbs it. But for now it is comfort enough to see the seeds of what is to come. Blessings to you and all you fellow strangers on the internet, may you find joy and serve your neighbors (and pray for me that I can too)

@@simonahrendt9069 very sweet. Thanks man.

Brilliantly said! Thank you for sharing that distinction.

That logician u mentioned did a really good job dividing those truths! I had never considered how the embeddedness of scientific truth makes it primary.

well said. The earth _is_ flat.

Go to church! Our boy is right about Eastern Orthodoxy. It rules.

john vervaeke has good material as a gateway drug to symbolic world, then move into jordan peterson and carl jung etc. then J and M Pageau's work. If you go direct to orthodox, it might be too much in one hit.

a lot of ppl work around by not mentioning the G word, or the J word, as it spooks people. First get comfortable throwing in some symbolic, dare I say, religious or spiritual language.

Hi Kane, I'm currently in the process of updating everything. I'll send a community post once everything has been uploaded. Thanks for your interest 🙏

Hi Joshua, yes! The audio version will be available on Spotify this week. I will follow up on this comment with a link when it is ready.

Abstract is marginal to the symbolic. Symbolism happens. Abstract is a convention but never happens, not experienced phenomenological.

I would just say that something is more than the sum of its parts, and then explore some examples. The splashes of paint which result in the painting contribute to a higher reality which we experience as art. Focus on what we actually experience and not on just the components alone.

Reductive trick being like taking one element of Christianity and pointing out the absurdity of it? e.g. “Christianity is a cult of human sacrifice”

@@andrew_blank Hi Andrew, I think your example is a part of it, but within the context of the conversation we meant reductive speech like: a statue is just a bunch of rocks; a human is just a bag of chemicals, the universe is just a bunch of atoms, etc. Reducing things down to their components. Of course, something is much more than just the sum of its parts. Thank you for your comment! Feel free to email me dylan@dylangous.com if you have any questions.

@@dylangous Ah, I see! I was about 3/4 in when I wrote the comment but in the Nihilism part now and seeing what you're talking about. Thanks for the response and email!

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Thank you for you comment, and for sharing your thoughts. I used to share the same view, but I kept running into the point that Christ established a Church, so I found it difficult to say: only God and no church. What do you think?

@@dylangous I don't believe Christ really established a church. I think Christ was a living example of God's honest truth. And what Christ was attempting to teach people was failing to truly be understood. Christ wanted people to know that everybody has the capacity to do exactly what he was doing. We are all God's children. Church was established as a place to worship, using Christ's story as the foundation. But people being people, misplaced their faith in Christ himself instead of following his example. Scripture is an essential formula for life. And grasping the meaning of it. Except it is all being presented by allegorical tales. You can take them literally or you can take them as metaphores. Either one works. But neither one works if we are unable to read between the lines, as opposed to graspin onto every word. People think if they can recite every passage by heart, it means they are doing what God wants. But God doesnt want that. God wants people to know who we are inside. We are Him. He is Us. Worldwide. Particular faiths have no bearing on the Truth. And some people may require these methods in order to reach the necessary conscious state it takes to transcend them. I'm far from a saint. I have plenty of faulty characteristics. I've never been able to go to church because I wasnt born for that. I was born for this... The personal experience and pain it takes to develop these understandings and to share what I Know. Life is church. But the intended messages of the Word have been altered over the course of time to serve the agenda of people who don't quite understand where we can evolve to if we were to ultimately unify with one another. I am a student of God. A lot of information isnt available to those who cant see it. But it's there. And I'm here. WE are everywhere. What else is to do about that but this?

@@AetherialSatori The body of Christ is the church. The building is simply the physical place for believers to congregate, but as you have likely seen already, most churches today do not align with the true church of the body of Christ. You must worship, study scripture, and pray with sincere faith as well as finding other like-minded believers who are also sincere in their search for the truth of scripture. Those are the people you want to congregate with, but you are not likely to find many of them in normal churches today. This does not negate the need for discernment and abstaining from cherry picking certain interpretations, but rather, it frees you to fully search for the truth of scripture without being trapped in the suffocating tyranny of many manmade denominational dogmas, allowing you to gain fuller understanding as long as it is done in sincere faith.

@Drednaught I totally agree with you, as it's applicable to people who abide by a one chosen faith. Personally? I've never been religious but I've always believed in God. You could say I have Christian roots because I grew up in America where that's the most predominant belief system... My mom was raised Catholic and i'm not even certain of my father's denomination. But it's of Christian faith. One of the 54,000 denominations that exist. I was raised with more exposure to ideas of spirituality. In my mind, church was not necessary because I knew that life would show me what I needed to learn. And if something was imperative, God would be sure to place it along my journey. That being said, I've experienced divine intervention in it's purest sense. And it's become a fairly consistent part of my life. I have faith based in Christianity but also believe every religion to be Truth. Some of which, I would still like research. But they're all different aspects and interpretations of an ultimate Truth - God is All - So my mission has been to learn all that I can about every facet, in order to incorporate them into my overall perspective. I've managed to become involved with a lot of esoteric material from various traditions. I can't say I've physically attended any of the mystery schools but I've been granted access to a lot of the information from their teachings. Which has served for a far deeper existential understanding. The idea is to develop a single belief system that's rooted in all existing traditions. Judaisim, Christianity, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism, Paganism, etc... I also like to include concepts from physics, metaphysics, spiritual science, philosophy, sociology, all of the more tangible subjects. There's too much to learn in a single lifetime but i'm comfortable with not be able to know all there is to know. The core concept is what's fundamental. So hopefully, I can manage to establish a solid basis for the world to share and expand on. Seems like the sorta thing that would require a collective effort because, afterall, the entire point behind it is to eliminate the widely accepted illusion of separation from one another. The first Hermetic Principle is Divine Oneness. If the people of the world ever decide they would like to evolve and grow beyond the unnecessary problems we always seem to find ourselves in the midst of, this would be a good place to begin. Every religion is based around cosmic/universal/natural law... But expressed in allegorical format, so that they can be related to in human terms by example of scenario. People have a tendency to grasp at the wrong straws. The moral teachings are far more important than the details of the stories used to illustrate them. Which is why I have difficulty understanding the need for 50,000 denominations of a single religion. Needless separation

Hi Jean, yes I am. 🇿🇦

@@dylangous so refreshing to hear our people having the right conversations. Well done, you’ve earned a like and a sub from me

The coming religion is that of the Antichrist, the False Prophet and the Beast.

Interesting comment. I’ve wondered where religion will go being able to observe it become less and less dogmatic. I too think something like a symbolic experience with Christianity and Taoism might be right. But I am wondering when more Christian leaders will feel free to not have to speak with such allegiance to a Christian faith, maintaining an appreciation of it without it being THE way and THE path to meaning.

@@carolm753 In my mind, this will happen when people open their interpretation of John 14:6. Personally, I like Contemplative Christianity and authors/speakers like Richard Rohr, and Marshall Davis for this. Ultimately, I believe that there must be a religion/spirituality that is true for all of Creation and is available to all of us all the time, in other words truly universal and perennial. I like William Douglas Horden for for this. His book The Five Emanations is a good place to start.

@@chdaoI love Marshall Davis! I’ll check out that book recommendation as well.

I am, yes🇿🇦

@@dylangous Wow, that's awesome, I'll check out some more of your work. Would be interested to know how you made this interview happen. I don't know many South Africans interested in JP

also Tit. 3:5 ..by the washing of regeneration, and *renewing* of the Holy Ghost; This means you when you have given HolySpirit its just starting point and He starts to make you ready for The Bridegroom

That contradicts the revelations. Therefore, that is false.

No he is not suggesting that he doesn't experience the sun, he is saying that he experiences the sun and not the solar system. The category of 'solar system' is an abstraction, it is not an experiental category. You don't experience anything at the level of the solar system - what you experience is the concrete reality of the sun rising in the morning, giving light and warmth, and going down in the evening. There is nothing make belief about this, it is simply the contention that experiental categories are better suited to describe our experience of reality, than are scientific, abstract ones.

A come back to my comment could be something like: 'You do experience the solar system through the experience of the sun or the moon, as the sun & moon are part of the solar system. The sun & moon are smaller means by which we perceive the larger category that is the solar system'. And while that is true in some sense, the question arises, why do you feel the need to abstract the actual, direct experience of perceiving the moon or the sun, into some larger category to which you have no direct access to? The only reason we talk about the 'solar system' as a category is because of abstract knowledge we have - it is completely removed from our direct experience. A person looking into the sky doesn't perceive things at the level of 'solar system' - he perceives a very bright light governing the day, and a lesser light governing the night (like is said in the bible). The point is not that the abstract knowledge is wrong, it's that seeing the abstract knowledge as primary and more important than our direct experience, is why modern Man feels so alienated.

Seems this might have all flown over your head

@@candaniel Excellent explanation

Well guys, all l tell you is that the appearance of the sun rising in the morning is optical illusion caused by the rotation of mother earth. Johnathan gave his flat earth confusion in the lecture he gave in LA l think. The one Jordan Peterson put up on his channel.

She is hopefully in Heaven.

@@hunivan7672 Not likely. She used to be the head of a heretic sect, aka the Anglican Church.