The fact that they couldn't be bothered to either look at the games' stories or at least consult some nerd who has, should literally be a crime...

This is BARELY a book adaption and it does a huge disservice to the lore the novels have established

1:11 oh god a battle rifle! editor: zooms in on an assault rifle

This is an obnoxious interview. Just let the dude explain the lore without interrupting constantly

For comparison, Jurassic Park is a good example of an adaptation that’s different from the book but still acts in the spirit of it and is good. “Halo” is what happens when you decide to not only ditch everything that makes the source material of the game appealing but also doing it oh so very badly. And to the tourists saying “but muh different timeline”, F off, different timeline is not a valid excuse for shite. Remember Cowboy Bebop? Yeah, that one crashed and burned harder than an asteroid for the exact same reason.

Not a single Grunt in season 2. Unforgivable

10:27 it's also in halo 4, meeting with librarian. "I hid seeds from the Didact. Seeds that would lead to and eventuality. Your physical evolution, your combat skin, even your ancilla Cortana. You are the culmination of a thousand lifetimes of planning" You guys got it right. That stuff shouldve been subtle and only to be blatantly stated by either librarian or halsey herself, as she did pick up on the breadcrumbs.

It’s a wiki book adaption, they really are just replacing important plot threads and creating completely different stories

The show runners are ignorant of the military and allergic to the idea of presenting the UNSC or military in general as a positive thing

Throughout the Halo games and books Chief's character has grown and has shown some emotion but he's always remained stoic. In Halo 4 when Captain Rios was screaming at him to surrender Cortana he kept his cool. Like an optimus prime type character. Master Chief in the TV series is a bipolar guy with a mangina!

1:33 They're VK78 Commandos from Infinite, I didn't catch it at first glance either mainly because it doesnt have the sight on it

Spartan II’s were literally created to un-alive insurrections. Fun Fact.

I've felt like the Master Cheeks's Halo was written by someone who hates Halo so much but the writer was forced to include things from the game to attract fans so he did so reluectantly and as less as possible, just enough to satisfy the fans as less as possible. Just to string you along. Just so you continue the subscription. . Combine this with the fact that they were not aiming to make excellent content (you want to see excellent Halo movie? Forward Until Dawn is an exemplary example.) but aiming to prolong your subscription as long as possible, at least to make their quarterly figures look good. As a result, you have a total shit as a show as Master Cheeks' Halo. . PS. the Halo games are the core content of Halo series, not the books, not that the books aren't good, they are excellenct. But those books are supplementary of the games, not the other way around.

If Paramount is going to flow into Halo 1 moving forward, then they already screwed themselves by changing characters, maps, species, and equipment they NEED.

Should anyone be surprised with the Halo TV show direction the executive producer is Kiki Wolfkill. 11:16 well Halo 4, Halo 5 and this TV show both have Kiki Wolfkill as the producer. Even before Halo 4’s release in 2011 Kiki Wolfkill said in an interview that Master Chief is emotional and is a human, not a machine. She has consistently drove 343 Industries in this direction with the games and now the Paramount TV Show. It’s all consistent with the vision of the people in charge.

Halo expert here! I tell you that they are nowhere near the books or the game

Who are the experts? An expert would know the game and the books, especially since there is so much lore in the books. We are basically at ghost of onyx and the 1st halo game at the same time.

The writers of the show and Kiki Wolfkill hated the Bungie lore and history because they thought it "glorified the military and war". That is why the military is cartoonishly evil. They put their ideology before the story. The big question should be, who in the hell thought it was a good idea to put people that actively hated Bungies stories and lore and put them in charge of adapting it to tv? The show never had a chance.

If I find myself asking someone if I should like a TV show or not, I have given up on individuality. The Gravemind is real.

The halo season writers had the simplest task in all of the world. A freaking infantile dimwit could’ve put a TV show series together, based on Lore far better than the Paramount writers did. Paramount and the Garbage writers purposefully wrote their own story therefore, it is nothing like the books or the game. Uh I think these experts are questionable! 3s were older but still far more powerful than a normal soldier! Just the discussion about 3s or 4s explains the writers were horrible and did not keep with lore😂

I don't see Mater Chief fighting against the military complex honestly as he just ignores orders full stop and gets away with it over and over again. The whole soldier/military aspect in the show is a bad joke. I still don't understand why in the second season Chief feels a need for Cortana as they didn't get along for season one. I also don't see why they have brought in the Flood so soon we have barely spent any real time on the Covenant war, especially it being a war that's so deadly humanity is at risk of extinction. The show is a mid tier science fiction show with some cool moments but a half arsed plot if you stop to think about it for a couple of minutes.

I've read some of the books, this show is barely based on the books. It shat on both the books and games. If it was actually based on the books it would have been a lot better

they should have made one season for each book tbh. pacing would have felt great and had the chance to flesh out character properly.

just because ackerson was working on the threes for years, doesn't mean there were actually any spartans until the last moment. He could have been working out the method and equipment used to rapidly recruit and train into spartans, so that they could be produced very quickly and at a higher rate,, and then once disaster struck reach they activated the program to fully operational, recruited a bunch of existing marines, and put them through "ackersons boot camp". This would make sense for many things, including all of them being very committed no matter what the cost, and perez being there on such short notice.

This was actually really cool to see you pick someone brain about the books vs games vs the show

About AI taking over armor: Most Spartans were weary about AI. Chief wasnt even all that sold on Cortana until i believe it was said First Strike and was weary about an AI being able to comtrol him. Fred actually did have his armor "taken over" by a forerunner ancilla (Intrepid Eye) but from what I've read it seemed more controlling the pressurization to affect his movements versus being able to fully control his impulses so I guess it was limited and very jerky. I still need to read it for myself. In relation to Chief, Cortana greatly enhances his reaction time, can bolster his armor's capabilities, and make split second decisions by the merit of faster processing. Cortana saved Chief from the Flood early on when one infection form found a gap to pierce into his neck. Chief thought he was done, but Cortana made a split second decision to surge power through his suit which killed fhe infection form and saved Chief's life. So at best (Human) AI enhance the armor's capabilities but have no basis of physically controlling its operator.

Jesus Halo, I live for your thumbnail

It "feels" like its more based of books but the issue is instead of it being one book and the next season being another book. Each episode is like they took 10 pages of each book and smashed it together. If the Show was fully based around the books I would have no issue but it seems like people who know nothing of the universe cant make up there mnind to do there own thing or base it fully off the books or games.

I like how some KZfaqr cgi’d to have his helmet on the whole episode Best clip ever

I would love to have this conversation with you guys I would’ve add some extra information to answer some questions that were not answering. But this was amazing great work!

The spartan 3s at the start are using a VK-78 commando , which is in Halo Infinite and in the lore saw use as early as 2495

Master chief has always had feelings.

I guess this was filmed before finale

It's like someone picked up the Halo visual guide, read a few character descriptions and ran with it.

Damn the expert can't get a damn word in!!

"I guess the games got more story focused later on and less bang bang-" Honestly, it's the opposite. Yes, Chief gets more emotionally vulnerable in the 343 games, but an emotionally vulnerable character =/= does not mean automatically good story. The first 3 games are an allegory for religious zealotry and Chief is a good stoic character because he amplifies and contrasts the emotion and personality of the characters around him. It's a master stroke in storytelling, the environments are practically their own character (think the Halos, Reach, Ark, New Mombasa, High Charity).

Wonder if Mass Effect franchise would get this treatment. If so, I would hold off until we can ppl who are actual fans to take inspiration and build off the source material

You absolutely can make this “for the game fans”. Those are those most successful adaptations that exist. The ones “for the fans”. Because said fans bring all their friends who: don’t have an Xbox, don’t game, don’t like shooters, etc. The new medium is what allows the audience to grow. The original fan base shows up because they get to see what they love brought to life, and then you add all the people who had some kind of barrier preventing them from accessing/enjoying the game. Changing drastically alienates the core fans, though with good writing you can get new ones (seems TLOU is a good example of that one from what I’ve heard). Changes plus bad writing just means nobody is excited

The spartan 3s look like they’re using Commando rifles from infinite?

As someone who's always a major halo lore nerd, he summed it up pretty damn well. The show takes elements from various books and kinda just smashes them together.

Great video!

The spartan 3s are using a commando from halo infinite

Just makes me sad knowing how much potential is being wasted with this show. And the fact that it’s probably the only live action show we’ll ever get.

The guest was way more interesting than the interviewers and they struggle with that.

John 100% belongs to Linda. I don't know why they didn't go that route. Like I feel like I remember they were the only ones would like blush at each other or escape together or something. Not to mention John rescues her from her cryo tank after Halo 1.

When does the weapon take over someone’s armour in Halo Infinite? Am I missing something?

Shoutout to Samuel Kim for the music ! It's MWAH, chef's kiss.

Zoids!! it's been ages since the last time hearing about that anime.

Your setup made me think ya'll had like 80k subs. Good studio and somewhat decent editing guys. One of these days you'll get big.

Did not expect the Zoids reference haha

The Spartan 3s are using the commando from halo infinite

The lighting + shirt makes the guy on the right look like a youtuber reacting to this video

1:29 but aren’t the spartan 3s using the commando from halo infinite, not a gun from Titan fall

where cna i see these ppl talk abou tth elast episode of season 2?

Just plainly.They don't want the grand ideas of the original Halo material to infect people's mind like One Piece.Gotta keep primal and small mind pity.Trying to explain concepts like ancient man(reclaimers) the true purpose of the flood, and gene sounds to non sci-fi watchers is a chore.

The spartan 3s are using commandos from Halo infinite. You would know it if you play the games

Keep in mind, the plot twist regarding the Halo’s true purpose of wiping the galaxy clean to deprive the Flood of their food source, because there is no cure.

The show's Spartan IIIs appear to be using the the commando rifle from 343's Halo Infinite. It looks smaller though so I'm unsure.

I feel like the biggest plot issue for season 2 gets stepped over here at 31:10. Spoilers. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Original game and novel lore: Flood infects most of the galaxy, Forerunners try their best to fight it, but they fail, create the Halo rings as a last resort, and use them to wipe out all sentient life in the Galaxy including themselves, in order to starve the parasite of its food. Once done, the AI of the Forerunners reseeded life across the Milkyway, leaving only the ruins and ancient structures and the AI that ran those installations, as any evidence of the existence of their culture. (THE HALO RINGS EXIST TO DEPRIVE THE FLOOD OF FOOD, BECAUSE IT ISN'T A SIMPLE DISEASE THAT CAN BE CURED.) TV show S2: Flood appears, infects a scientist, and is dealt with fairly quickly by HUMAN medicine, for what should be the beginning of the final boss of the original trilogy. (IF THE FLOOD WAS THAT EASY TO CURE, WHY DID THE FORERUNNERS MAKE THE RINGS??? WHY DO THEY EXIST???) Thus leaving the Halo rings as mere magical weapons/objects that everyone wants to find and use for their own means, despite not actually knowing anything about them, and their ultimate purpose that could have been revealed now makes no sense.

It's the SERIES FINALE to me!

Halsey found John based on his genes… that is the whole point of his special status😮 Why do you not say that

The artifact in season one is how the humans learn the Halo is a super weapon.

Also season 2 Where are the energy shields?

As a hardcore halo fan. I really really really feel sad that the amount of L's this IP is getting. Really sad.

Its amazing to me that they botched the show this badly. A liqoured up variant of the Chat AI could have wiped its ass with a piece of printer paper and produced a better adaptation of the material.

The Halo franchise should have been renamed long ago to something more central to the subject material, something simple and to the point like "Master Chief", or even simply "117".

Parangosky was introduced in Ghosts of Onyx, i thought

oh it's very good and interesting to listen to them, I love halo, I love the lore of halo, and this video is incredible, they don't dictate hate to the series like other channels, I personally like the series, of course that's my opinion , especially this second season, greetings guys.

Killing the Arbiter off was a big mistake in my opinion and killed the show even more

Most of season two gives me RedvsBlue Season 3-5 vibes.

Cowboy bebop didn’t hold up is wild 😂, that anime is peak.

What has me confused is they chose to release the flood on Onyx. Which is like uhhh, the first game only worked because the flood were released on halo. Why would they catch up to “the game” when their writing clearly is diverging from that?

they actually called how they got on the halo ring lol

After reading the Forerunner Saga its now my bible

They need to pull the plug. I haven't even seen this show and all I can say is if its that bad and if the fans are saying its bad, pull the plug.

Some lore whoopsies here, the book Epitaph helps with alot of recent halo games lore !

Halo TV never Impresses to make me angry. Got introduced to the flood finally Get this. THEY ARE JUST ZOMBIES. How can this shit be so creatively bankrupt ? With such good source Material. The people writing the Halo Show better not be planning to make a cure to THE FLOOD... Context: Halsey is infected The whole point of the flood was that it was unstoppable and they had to make giant space rings just to starve them not kill them starve them I swear this show needs to get cancelled. And get this. Humans Release the Flood. Not The Covenant.They found the flood on Onyx. Onyx seriously ? You know the Shield world THAT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED TO PROTECT it's inhabitants from the flood..

The worst bit is the small parts of the show that they get right they get reaalllyyyy right

If you would kindly pass on my question to Owen, I would be very thankful, I have been trying to figure this out for the entirety of these two seasons: “Does the existence of Makee break the entire Covenant religion? Since a human is the only one capable of actually speaking with the ‘Gods’.” Also loved this video, first time watching and you get my subscription lol.

The series is actually halo inspired

Tbh feels like the script was written by chatgbt instead of human writers

I can agree with you guys how it feels like the show jumbling so many plots or story devices without having a proper approach to tell it. One thing I really hate about the show is they don’t flesh out anything or even try to expand on things that can get people invested into the universe, I wish the show focused on Spartans and the symbol they represent or their stoic and cold nature compared to marines or the UNSC staff. I hate how they brushed reach one of the biggest events in Halo. The writers don’t care enough to expand on like the covenant caste system or the crazy religious stuff with the prophets. I feel like this show is sort of a waste of time for any viewer trying to understand or enjoy halo.

To be fair we have to admit that we have hated the actor that played Master Chief but it wasn't his fault. Actors don't writes scripts and shows. They just act. So accusing him is kinda unfair.

Why are they trying to catch up with the game, this sounds like the same logic that turned the DCU into a disaster by trying to catchup with the MCU. They're skimming over the best material because they don't know if it will be renewed???

That was halo 4 and 5…

You guys should react to the halo 2 anniversary cutscenes.

my main problem with the show is ...colours ....halo is not a universe where its all dark and bleek....maybe dark sometimes...this show needs colours...master chief needs more green in him..

Firefly! The mirror opposite of Halo -- rabid fans who love the Firefly TV show vs. rabid fans who hate the Halo show. Love and Hate --- so much in common. LOLOLOL.

My reaction to the show is “wtf is going on and I’m SOOOO BORED.. the boring waste of plots doesn’t make any sense

They had one job...follow the story of Halo. This wasn't Halo

I like how you guys had a DISCUSSION about the season instead of just complaining about it. Anyways... Kai is bae and this season was a 4/10. Don't renew lol

The previous show runner Steven Kane did clarify they played the games. They just didn't play them when they visited 343i HQ.

Great Episode again boys! 👏

Great discussion gents. I do not know Halo's history nor did I play the game. I understand fans being disappointed when creators venture away from the source material. I get it. I can only critique it from the average person's, non-gamer, perspective. I thought the show was decent. Was it Dune, Mandalorian (s1-2),The Expanse (s1-3) good? No. As a science fiction fan, I thought the writers did a decent job of telling a story. Whether that is accurate to the lore, the Halo historians can speak to that. Kwan Ha was my least favorite character. Even without knowing any of Halo's history, I felt she was made up. She seemed like she was horseshoed into the story. I agree the directing could have been better as well. I see it as an above average show.

You actually consider this following the books? Other than using a few names and a few general locations, it's nothing like the books at all.

Where’s the reaction here? Forgive me, but I was expecting a real time reaction to the Halo tv show with three Halo Fans reacting to it.

Adaptation

You found yourselves a nerd!!!. Rare

The halo expert doesn't recognise the Commando from Halo 4/5/6

I feel like the show was written by Ai. Close but not close enough. If you type in halo with drama into chat GPT 4 you get the Halo tv show.