Great to see more videos like this; helping out the urban and suburban DXers like us. I use a KK5JY Loop on Ground RX antenna. I tried to post youtube links to the build and the results here, but the comment appears to have been blocked. Thanks for posting this video, Roly...great stuff! 73! de WX0V

Thank-you Roly. I really appreciate your insights and advice. Great work.

Thanks much! Currently fighting noise while listening to the aircraft NDB beacon band, below the AM broadcast band and your video gives me hope! 60 years licensed & I’m back to mainly SWLing! Best wishes from the north of Michigan, where it’s currently minus 22 degrees C ! Dennis W8MI PS our daughter recently did her Student Teaching in Howick, Cockle Bay, not far from family friend, the late Brian Egan, ZL1LE

Very good Roly, nice solution, look forward to the preamp`d rx, all the best to you & thank you for taking the time to publish the videos.

Wow great result, inspires me to give it a go....

Looking forward to this series, I have ordered my DX wire and will be doing the same around my yard. Looking forward to the next video.

Hi Roley im Rod VK4FR and weve never worked that im aware of. im 75 and stopped log keeping immediately it became law.. Sir i love your inastruction videos. i also have horrendous S/N and im goint to try your method.i also only have a suburban lot but ill duplicate as best as i can,my driveway also is an issue i thought was a no no burying antennas [rx]. but TY Roley for giving this greyhaired ham a real chance to get my station better.. gud dx Sir.god bless and gud health t u n urs 73 kn

Thanks for the lesson learned. 😊

A good lesson learnt, now really want to give this a go.

Great video Roly, going to try this myself, thanks for sharing, cheers 🥂, !

Great video thanks for all the good info.

Great upload Roly, great results.

Hi Roly, that is a fascinating demonstration/experiment, some time ago I ran a very low wire (not a loop) close to the ground and I also found an improved S/N, it was fascinating to use it to feed the sub-receiver and listen in "stereo". In common with you there were a few places that have stopped me making a full loop, it never occurred to me to go underground for those sections. I shall have to investigate, as for the apparent insensitivity it may be interesting to see what passive impedance matching can achieve, but I know you are continuing your work. 73

Nice work Roly... it sure makes a big difference. I feel sorry for you urban hams with all the noise ....I live way out in the country with no neighbors within a 6 mile radius.... it's quiet out here.

Very nice video Roly. Great job on reducing your noise floor. I will live semi rural on a bit more than an acre soon and all neighbours have an acre too so I think I will be very lucky I guess. Keep up the good work mate. 73 from across the ditch. Kevin, VK4KK

Excellent job. I’ve done a loop on the ground vy simple and not so big. Often using the preamp of the rig it’s enough.

Good info. Mike from Minnesota.

Receive loop doesn''t need to be above ground. I'm running websdr (can be found on PA3FWM websdr site - search for so8oo websdr) using loop on ground antenna. There are ofcourse better antennas, but considerig used space it is a great performer. I make automated FT8 reporting to pskreporter - search there for SN0E station. There are spots from all over world. My antenna is lying on the ground, it is rectangle (6 m x 6 m) fed in the corner. Proper feedline decoupling is a must!

Nice work again!

Roly TERRIFIC VIDEO!!! I’d love to use it to help others. I’ll credit your channel and put a link to it in the description section. We’ll laid out and relaxed. Keep up the great work!

A great video, well done

Fantastic video mate. thanks

Good video Roly. I have similar results from a homebrew K9AY loop on 160,80 & 40M noise floor drops to -140dbm! But I live in a small village with solar panels on neighbouring properties so problem at the moment not so drastic as yours.

One of the best noise reducer / eraser is implemented in the Malachit DSP 2 receiver. The filter setup of this Russian device is very efficient .

Omg a full wave loop at 30’ high fed with balanced open space Feeder and you ll be S9+10 into the states can’t wait Roly

Good video. Many thanks

very nicely done!

really interesting Roly I have a W6IUV preamp to build and always thought about putting it on a loop (like a wellbrook) but this looks interesting my only problem is there's a whole lot of concrete where I'd like to return to the shack so I''d have to come up to about 7 or 8 feet then it starts to loose some of the benfits either that or I bury it and return it back along the same route for about 15 feet making a sort of ladder line ... I think this is a 3 mug of coffee problem 🤣

Fantastic video Roly 👍

this was really good Roly. Never ever considered those electric fence stand-offs. Perfect. I have enough space here for approximately a 100m loop. That would probably help me with low band dxing. I have an inverted L on 160m that cracks out, but is noisy of course. This would likely be the solution. I also have horrendous powerline noise, so this may be of assistance there too. 73, Aaron VK2ON

Thanks for the inspiration, Roly. I am in a noisy urban environment, too, so I will give the loop a try. I can make quite a long one as I have a long 10 metre wide Greenway behind me. I suppose you are using the radials to ground the coax braid? 73, VE7AWV.

Thanks a lot. Also, I noticed that the RFG was on, you may want to take a look at the gain settings after switching antennas, thanks again.

Good video! I went the Loop on ground route and it helped a lot.

Nice one Roly, although I was jealous of your starting position noise floor! You can easily flip the radiating plate connection on the DXC over to the lower ground radial plate, thereby adding one large loop-radial to the setup when in use as a vertical 😀

I recall using a loop antenna on 80m late last century. It had many poles holding it up and was anything from fence height to 11m high in places, but was quiet and worked brilliantly from VK4 into VK6. Only thing I never figured out how to do was automatic switching from TX to RX at 400w (or 1.5kw for those that can use it). Thought about automotive relays but wasn't sure if they were OK at HF. Cheers Adam VK4IM

I use a MFJ 1026 and rx antenna that can receive the local noise as good or better than my main HF tx vertical, using the mfj 1026, I can phase out the local noise no problem...Works for me de Ei2iP..

WOW... that 's amazing...I am an SWLer in Queensland Australia and I would sure like to try that

I'm a new Ham. How do you connect a loop antenna to the coax, do both ends connect to the inner coax conductor, or one to the inner and one to the outer conductor? And is a balun used? Thanks, and great video.

Nice even to hear a signal weak over not at all is obviously a massive improvement...bin those 100 foot towers :D

how do you connect this to the radio? Is it just one end to the centre of the antenna input on the radio and the other end to the earth side? Or is a balun or something needed in between?

Interesting Roly. I experimented with a loop round my Garden, must have been around 120 or more yards ish, around 1 foot off the ground. However I used some electric fence wire I had hanging around and a 1 to 1 balun to connect them to coax. My results were very poor, of course it could have been the balun or the wire was not suitable. The electric fence wire I think is steel wire woven into some sort of plastic string. I do have a part roll of DX10 that I might try out with though looking at your results. I have a 7300 with the RX ant mod on it btw.

Great video. I am curious to know, however, could you hook that loop wire up to an SWR and get a reading? If I understand this correctly, it is essentially a ground antenna, so it should have an SWR. If we can read the SWR, then surely it can be fine-tuned even further.

There is NO way I could live in a congested place like that. I have been in the country too long.

Great instructional video. I know someone who has done this successfully for NVIS so limited range, what range are you getting? Is SSB any better?

Hi Roly, I have a Colorbond steel fence on three sides of my property. The DX Commander works reasonably well at 2m from fence. Would you recommend putting the wire loop 30cm above the fence or run it inside the fence 30cm off the ground?

Inspirational video Rolly. I now have a reason to build a decorative fence around the front of my yard and the rest is easier. How do you terminate the downstream end of the wire? I’m very close to writing my exam (just a matter of scheduling during COVID) and with a little luck will be getting a DX Commander in June so will be looking at doing this in the very near future. Cheers from Moose Jaw. Tim

Adding to your experiment Roly I often wondered why you give me a readability 5 in your RST reports to me from my summit when I sometimes give you R 3 in my RST report in return. I run 8 Watts on summits and assume you run 100 Watts from home. That RX antenna is a great idea. Regards Ian vk5cz ..

Hi Roly, reading the comments, I'm a little confused. Is the loop you've made a receive antenna, or a loop of wire connected to ground (the plate on the DX commander that connects to the ground radials) to try and absorb interference ? 73, VK3LSR

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I put a galvanised wire, for electic fences, around my attic. Unfortunately, it made my noise floor higher. It come from the back of my SDR with the device grounded to the ground lead in the AC outlet. The results disappointed me for noise. The signal levels went way up. But, the noise levels also went up proportionally. I am enjoying a lot more signal, but a lot more noise. As for transmit, I can only transmit on license free bands. I am not an amateur radio operator.

thank you for this video, interesting and inspiring idea! ... vy73 from Hamburg/Germany, Dietmar, DL4HAO :)

Roly you just gave me an idea for my new QTH!

Hey Roly....... I have to figure out a way to get the larger loop configured. ( I have obstacles to contend with....lol..... Did something interesting. 150' of RG6U coax on the ground with the shield and the center conductor soldered together..... WOW factor..... went from S9 noise floor to S3 on 40M. S/N ratio is fantastic....... picking CW right out of the floor...... can't even see the signal on the panadapter from the off center fed. works decent on 20.... but really don't need it there.... my Hex is pretty quite........ I'm looking forward to try it tonight on 80 and 160

That makes a big difference to getting that QRP station. Is that a wire coming off the ground plane plate of the DX Commander Roly?

Roly, nice video, how did you get a wire under the driveway.?

Hi Roly, I have been thinking about putting a loop around my place, should end up with about 300 feet or so, but as I have a 6 foot wooden fence around the place, with a chain link fence in places, my thinking was to run the loop along the top of the fence. My plot is roughly triangular, in an urban environment, a few hundred feet higher than most of the town, atop what is more or less a ridge line. There is no local industry, but there is quite a lot of housing,, not densely packed but enough to cause a fair bit of noise. Basically the ground conditions are not ideal with a thin, about 18 inches of top soil over the local Cotswold stone. Not sure it makes a difference, but it does drain very well. Would appreciate your thoughts. 73 Jim M7BXT

So if I'm understanding this solution, the loop runs from the driven plate of the DX Commander around your property and terminates at the DXC ground plate. Does the loop affect the Tx of the DXC? Thanks for the video Roly. Always enjoyable and informative. BTW did you ever try the 10 meter band, brass tubing half-wave dipole I sent you a while back? If so, was it okay or rubbish in your opinion?

Would that loop just be for receiving or could you transmit through it as well?

Hi Roly, I am trying to wrap my brain around this. The addition of a ground loop increases the signal to noise ratio because loops are inherently quieter, but if you key down it will transmit using the 40M element of the DX Commander? Are the effects similar with the other bands? Or is your fenceline a harmonic of 40M?

Roly, I'm considering doing a LOG antenna in my back yard. The garden is about 70 feet wide by about 60 feet deep. There is a 6 foot tall wooden fence along the 70 foot length and along the two 60 foot sides there is an aluminum fence. Do you think that putting the wire at the base of the two aluminum fences will significantly negatively impact the loop? I know that I can just throw some wire out there and try it, but I don't have 260 feet of wire just laying around at the moment, nor materials to make the 9:1 balun (?). Also, given that my lot is largely North/South (the 70 foot back fence is maybe rotated 4 degrees anti-clockwise, I would assume that the primary lobes will be at about 41 degrees and 221 degrees, which largely puts most of the signal in unusable directions.

Great video, I have several receive ant's..... amplified 3' loop. random wire, ewe, also a timewave phaser....... sometimes good , sometimes not so good. The LOG with a 9:1 xformer (15' square) is defiantly the quietest but the sig is so low it is a struggle to hear. I'll give your Lot loop a try......... my fear is it will amplify the noise mor than the sig........ we'll see..... Thanks

Morning Roly, apologies, I'm just catching up on important videos I've saved. I'm in a similar situation to you and will probably have a similar amount of noise when I get on HF. Is the loop continuous from centre and back around to the shield? I'll give something like this a go, but my property perimeter isn't nearly as big as yours.

Hi Roly, did you do a follow up to this? If you did I missed it. Was going to try it out myself but in hospital at the moment for open heart surgery. I was wondering also if different size loops could be connected to one transformer to make it multi band or did your very big, close to the ground loop give you broadband recieve ?

Hi Roly, interesting idea, I will definitely try it. In the spirit of a scientific experiment, do you have a reference to the theory behind this antenna, how it works, and why it works, and what you might vary to see how the results change? For example if you elevated it would that help or make things worse? Very interesting result…. 73, VK4QP

Good job Roly but one thing is missing here how to coneect the wire to my antenna system, there is no drawing to show I need more in details please. Thanks A92FF

That must have a great moment when you heard the signal on the loop. I have experimented with a RX only loop on the ground made by good friend Tom G2NV. I did get a significant drop in noise floor with low but readable signals. It comprises 20m of insulated wire in square loop on the floor fed by coax through a 12:1 binocular style ferrite.

Be interested in how long the wire is and the length of your radials. I’ve a 49:1 end fed and to get on 80m it’s 40m of wire which I was struggling to put up. I didn’t consider running it around the perimeter. May give it a go.

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Is this a listen only loop or is it tuned to transmit on?

I suppose that this loop antenna is for receive only, right? Well, since it is impossible to give it a try in my property, ( I live in a multi floor building), I can though install it on the roof top. Is it a possible solution to reduce the noise? The roof top is almost 10 m above ground.

Roly Great experiment Leaving hope for those of us with QRM How do you use this in practice Switching without overloading the front end WA0EXO

What about a DSP based Adaptive Noise Filter but you need a Noise antenna but can only be used on RX not TX or you will let the magic smoak out.

What do you do when your noise level is over S-9

Why is your loop 30cm above the ground, rather than on the ground? I was told to peg mine to the ground.

Is it noise from the Power Substation or what.

Does the loop comes back to the ground plate of the DX commander?

hi roly. hpe ur well. I wonder if you found any directivity , depending where you place the feed point, and I wonder, if you took away the grounding side, whether it made any noticeable difference . 73 brian zl3xdj.

Noise has been a problem for me for years. I've been able, with great difficulty, to solve them all, except my current issue on VHF. It has me utterly stumped. 🤔

Sorry for misspelling your name Roly, the old grey matter is pretty full of stuff I need to pass the exam.

Tried this at my QTH. It reduced the noise but also removed the wanted signals. S9 became S7. Well I could hear and work them with or without noise. The stations replying to my CQ that are sitting on the edge of the noise are taken away also. SN ratio is all good but not much use if the wanted signal is also taken away.

..how are you feeding this Roly?

DB gain set to zero? Still looked very noisy to me to be fair

Hi Roly, That is quite an improvement. How much wire do you have strung around your property? You and Gail stay safe. 73 WJ3U