Hand Planing Wood - How to Prevent Tear Out

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Hand Planing Wood -How to Prevent Tear Out. Tear out is a hand tool woodworker's nightmare, but in this video on hand planing wood Rob Cosman shows you the techniques to prevent and to repair tear out. Rob is a master at hand planing wood and will show you all the technisues he has developed over the years to prevent tear out. So throw away your scraper, sharpen up your blade and start hand planning wood without the fear of tear out....even on highly figured wood
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@kevindowd7769
@kevindowd7769 3 жыл бұрын
To find grain... I find lightly running a microfiber cloth over the wood, it will grab against the grain and glide smoothly with the grain.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I will try it
@niclas9463
@niclas9463 2 жыл бұрын
"I’m not a huge believer in having the chip breaker close to the edge " . I think you should do a video where you’re trying different positions of the chip breaker. Because when I set my chip breaker close to the edge of the blade I can go in any grain direction without any tear out. I know that you have a ton of experience and that you are a real master, but I just found that comment a bit chocking. I use Stanley type chip breakers , I don’t know if that makes any difference?
@Mett-wt3xj
@Mett-wt3xj 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Rob and crew for this. I had questions, you had answers. 🙂
@RonFinlay1
@RonFinlay1 3 жыл бұрын
outstanding techniques, skill and patience. It really makes the results you get
@yfz450rider39
@yfz450rider39 3 жыл бұрын
That was the best explanation of reading wood grain I've heard.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@LogHouseFarm
@LogHouseFarm 3 жыл бұрын
Great details and very helpful once again - thanks, Rob.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful
@mrkenenglish
@mrkenenglish 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rob! Loving your videos lately, thanks so much for everything you're doing for this community!
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
You keep watching and I will keep filming
@erictownsend4236
@erictownsend4236 7 ай бұрын
Hi Rob, I know this is an old video, but I gained a lot on plane prep for figured woods. Though when it came to the white oak, I let the video play while refreshing my drink as my opinion of oak (white or EEEE red) one of the best woods to overnight in a wood stove! I live in New Hampshire USA on a 3rd generation dairy farm surrounded by mostly red oak, Rock Maple, ash, beech, white birch, popular, (butternut and black walnut) but only if planted. My favorite combo is figured Maple with Black Walnut! I am purchasing some exotics to try, though species, sizes and quantities are very limited! Figured Maple is one of my favorite woods(especially tiger/curly, birds eye 2nd choice), thank you for showing how to hand plane those!
@muhammadzeeshanali268
@muhammadzeeshanali268 Жыл бұрын
Nice explanation you are best teacher to teach these teach I regularly watch your videos for gaining knowledge about woodworking and handplanar if I am in your country I will definitely your students to learn about wood working techniques. Nice sir keep it up.
@ottomaselli7762
@ottomaselli7762 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video, very interesting !!!
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@peepawhebert6479
@peepawhebert6479 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just starting to plane wood to finish vs. sanding. It's almost like you've seen my struggles and made this for me. And I appreciate it. Another great video. Well done!
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
That exactley why we did it. Our secret wood planing intelligence network said you would enjoy this video so we made it !!!!
@JohnCarrino
@JohnCarrino 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all the great content. My first plane was the WR 5 1/2 and it has been great to use. One wood I've had a hard time planing is shedua with the interlocking grain. Even my thinnest pass on the jointer left huge pits. I could only get a clean face with a toothed blade and a #80 scraper.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I am not familar with that wood...I will look it up. Sounds nasty
@richardharker2775
@richardharker2775 3 жыл бұрын
Tools. I bought a cheap no name smoothing plane with the ambition of restoring a solid kitchen table after serving our family of three kids for 20 years. I made a horrible mess with tearout and who knows what. I practically ruined it and left me wondering what to do. Since then I've followed a lot of your valuable advice and bought a recommended plane along with many other things and managed to make my table respectable again. I did try to sharpen by hand but sorry to say I had to succumb to a sharpening jig to make my blade look respectable. Again, thank you very much Rob for making these videos.
@hassanal-mosawi6049
@hassanal-mosawi6049 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Hope it helped
@watermain48
@watermain48 3 жыл бұрын
Great demonstration Rob, thanks.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Thnaks for watching. What video should we do next?
@watermain48
@watermain48 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I learn something every time I (re)watch one of your videos. I'll just stay tuned...
@rossmorrow3013
@rossmorrow3013 3 жыл бұрын
I really regret not learning how to use the tools I had/have, some 30 years ago, until watching Mr Cosman, what a wonderful teacher. Thank you. ross
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. Tell me what other videos we should make
@griffinphilemon5083
@griffinphilemon5083 3 жыл бұрын
This video is great! I am making a white oak bench and my planes are chewing up the wood very bad even after a good sharpening (tested on pine and cuts like butter) I will be sharpening my blades to 65°, Thank you Rob.
@rjamsbury1
@rjamsbury1 3 жыл бұрын
When you turned the oak board around, you could clearly see the wood completely change appearance on the first pass as the fibres got laid down. Great camera work 👍
@scottluvaas7431
@scottluvaas7431 2 жыл бұрын
Great information. Rob does a great job. I still can’t stand how he pulls each shaving out after every stroke. I’m always looking to become more efficient and… yeah.
@timwebb8960
@timwebb8960 9 ай бұрын
That has got to be one of the simplest, easy to understand explanations to reading wood grain direction. Heard it explained many ways, but nothing makes as much sense as the way you did it. Mind blown lol.
@jimmccoy3438
@jimmccoy3438 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob,Great video as usual. A couple months ago I was building some hickory cabinets for our kitchen. The hickory is flat sawn and has some really nice grain but it swirls and rises and dips all over the place so I was having a lot of tearout problems. You provided some really great suggestions at the time, including most of what you went over in this video. A lot of what I was experiencing was similar to the white oak in the video. The 20 deg back bevel solved quite a bit of it but there were still a few areas I just couldn’t get smooth on the panels and the frames no matter how often I sharpened and how tight the mouth was. I ended up having to use a card scraper to get those areas and then I sanded the whole thing with 220 grit to blend everything. If you ever get a chance to demonstrate the techniques on some hickory like that I’d love to see you apply your arsenal of tricks on it. I would really like to learn to defeat grain like that with a handplane because once the wood has a finish on it incident light reflecting off a handplaned surface is so much more beautiful and interesting than a sanded surface of the same wood. Thanks for all you and Jake and your team do. Since finding you on KZfaq I’ve learned a ton and acquired some really great tools from you. Someday after all this pandemic stuff is behind us I’d like to take one of your classes. Until then I’ll keep practicing what you teach us.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Yea, I didnt have any hickory in the shop. We will be uploading our 2021 workshops on 1 Oct
@negaopiroca2766
@negaopiroca2766 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, would love to see a test on cherry. Having a hard time with German grown cherry wood, when it changes the grain direction.
@MixingGBP
@MixingGBP 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t have a question but just wanted to say I used my LN 5 1/2 plane to put the 24 inch long taper on the 30 inch long 4 legs of the writing desk I am making. Took forever, but it was so relaxing and satisfying to make table legs that look better than a table saw with tapering jig.
@williambranham6249
@williambranham6249 2 жыл бұрын
I know many woodworkers want to grow and learn, but eliminating problem boards has changed things for the better for me. It can be difficult to always try to have a perfect piece of wood but man, many of my problems have been solved by being very picky about wood choice .
@makenchips
@makenchips Жыл бұрын
Rob do you have a video on how to make a 65° blade setup? I would like to make one for my Stanley! Always enjoy your videos and your style of teaching! Always a lot of good tips to understand! Steven Columbus Michigan USA
@artotian
@artotian Жыл бұрын
Cool video, very informative. Question - a grain tear out on a guitar fretboard (rosewood) - is this something that can be sanded down to feel smooth? ATM some areas of the board feel course/ sand paper like.
@pecosimplu7070
@pecosimplu7070 2 жыл бұрын
Wher's my pencil... 😀 Magnificent work, thanks a lot master. This really helped me. 👏👏👏
@SnakeAndTurtleQigong
@SnakeAndTurtleQigong 3 жыл бұрын
I wonder if adjusting the chip breaker would have helped. On a Japanese setup it would make all the difference. Thanks so much for these fun videos!!
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
John there are a bunch of folks who say if you position th echipbreaker a couple of thousnads of an inch from th eblade and grind th eface of the chipbreak up to 80 degrees that will help, I just have never been able to have any success with that method
@tchevrier
@tchevrier 3 жыл бұрын
that walnut is beautiful wood
@rosurvival6869
@rosurvival6869 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings Mr Cosman and thanks a lot for the new video. i would really like to see how you would approach planing some olive tree wood, i have managed to plane a variety of exotic woods but olive remains to this day the one most nasty lumber i have ever tried to get flat with hand tools ( also it responds well to helical spiral head power planers )
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
You send me some olive wood and i will make a video of planing it
@pthanos
@pthanos 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking you should visit Greece. We have loads of the stuff. It is literally one of the most common firewood after beech and pine! It is used a lot for tourist-y nick knacks. It is really something else to work with, it feels like butter and there no grain direction, its like endgrain everywhere. And the smell is heaven..
@deandauplaise2225
@deandauplaise2225 3 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on hand planing edges on super long boards in order to get a super crisp glue seam? That would be fantastic!
@danielherron7896
@danielherron7896 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Rob ive had trouble planing Sapele. Any suggestions?
@wjs167
@wjs167 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, I have had a difficult time planing hickory. If I remember correctly, even a freshly honed and burnished scraper still produces fuzzy spots on the surface. Thanks for your videos. I have been able to refine my techniques through them.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I think if you have a sharp blade and very low projection you can plane the hickery, but its a hard
@wjs167
@wjs167 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Thanks, Rob! I will give it a try.
@alfredobanuelos4730
@alfredobanuelos4730 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing Rob. What did you mean 65° I missed that. You change the blade or did you change the frog?
@robohippy
@robohippy Жыл бұрын
No clue if this would work or not. I am a bowl turner. One of the nastiest bowl woods to turn is dry Koa. On bowls, 1/4 of the revolution is with the grain, 1/4 against, then repeat. To tame tear out in Koa or other woods that are being nasty, some times just dampening the surface with water can help 'lubricate' the fibers as you gently turn off the wet wood. Had some Koa that was years old from up in the rafters of a friend's shop. It took several dampenings to get rid of the tear out.
@madmac40
@madmac40 3 жыл бұрын
Great tips Rob, I was hoping you would have some highly figured black walnut, this stuff is a nightmare.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Yes then you liked the Clario walnut wood I planed
@Borescoped
@Borescoped 3 жыл бұрын
It is nice to know that even if you prepped and sharpened the blade properly that sometimes the normally sharpened blade can’t get the job done, and you need to look at other methods, such as that high angle blade. I would have liked to see a piece of wood that you have had to use a scraper on. Is scraping something you would do after getting the thickness/flatness close to the desired dimensions? Thanks for everything you do Rob! Love the videos!
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I would use a scraper is the HA blade did not work
@ronniesolomon5235
@ronniesolomon5235 3 жыл бұрын
I see your using the wood River planes. Do you like them? If so, what do you prefer about the wood River apposed to the other makers
@TC-yn9nk
@TC-yn9nk 3 жыл бұрын
What are your thoughts about machining troublesome wood close to finished thickness if you don't have a segmented head, any tips?
@rbeachy206
@rbeachy206 5 ай бұрын
I'd like to know what Rob did during the camera cut when he was starting to plain the walnut (the 2nd board).
@bluekingfisher1416
@bluekingfisher1416 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and very useful as I have often encountered difficult grain in the timbers available to me. With regards to the "65" are you talking about the frog angle or simply an increased bevel on your cutting iron? I have a plane with a dedicated increased frog angle but if altering the angle on a spare blade I will most likely sell the other plane. Many thank
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I make a HA blade by putting a 20 degree backbevel on a standard plane ten 45 + 20 = 65
@gallowsongs
@gallowsongs 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking That was the missing link for me! Would have never though of that!. Could you likewise make a low angle plane out of a normal one, by reversing the blade?
@joealessia4762
@joealessia4762 3 жыл бұрын
When sharpening, at what point do you resurface the primary bevel ? My secondary just keeps growing and growing and I’m not sure if there’s a rule of thumb of if/when I should grind the primary angle back down so it’s a fresh edge for secondary bevel..hopefully this made sense.
@blainlehman1018
@blainlehman1018 9 ай бұрын
Can you give me a basic idea of Wa closing the throat down does? Very narrow gap versus a larger gap.
@heystarfish100
@heystarfish100 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Rob, Thanks for this great instructional video. Is IBC back to making blades? I think I bought the last one in existence for a 5-1/2 at my local WoodCraft recently.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I hope so . They have not sent us a shipment for 2 months., I dont know what the story is
@Finewoodworkingofsc
@Finewoodworkingofsc 3 жыл бұрын
Great info and video. What type magnifiers do you use?
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Optivisor....avalible everywhere
@psiclops521
@psiclops521 2 жыл бұрын
I plane with the plane pointing straight down the board. Would it help with tearout to have the plane at an angle like you do as it travels down the board? Does that skew help reduce/prevent tearout.
@jerryolson3408
@jerryolson3408 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you with respect to the chip breaker setting. As 72 year old does it make sense for me too hand plane large glued up panels?
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
AT 72 years young, you will have to make that call. But there is nothing like the feel and look of a planed piece of wood. Sharp blade, thin cut and a waxed sole will help make the planing easy
@Mahdi-bb4hg
@Mahdi-bb4hg 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rob for the high quality content as usual. Two questions: 1) I recently bought a WoodRiver No. 5 completely based on your recommendation and although I absolutely loved it, I noticed the sole isn't completely square with the sides. it was about 0.6 to 0.8 off of 90. Got it replaced with a No. 5 1/2 and this one came out at 0.4 off of 90. WoodRiver says this is within the manufacturing tolerance. At the moment I have to shim the shooting board with surface with masking tape to bring the sole up to 90 degrees with the sides, otherwise the blade has to be protruding so much in one side that it just doesn't look right. Do you have any suggestion on how to deal with situations like this? And 2) Where can I get one of those adjuster knobs you have on the plane in this video? Thanks again!
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
What I did on mine is I put it on my vertical sanding wheel while resting on the platform 90 degrees to the sanding wheel. In a couple of passes I brought it to 90. If you dont have one of those big sanding wheels you could try sanding on the side with sandpaper adhered to a flat surface. We sell the sdjuSTARS. they are in the plane section of my website
@Mahdi-bb4hg
@Mahdi-bb4hg 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Perfect, thanks a lot Rob! I will try that. Also the AdjuSTAR is sold out now, I hope you do another batch soon!
@kuffyswoodwork
@kuffyswoodwork 3 жыл бұрын
Instead of going straight to the 65° setup to tame that piece of White Oak, I would have experimented with advancing the chip breaker closer to the edge. If you can get it to work, it saves the need to have several different blades.
@fatnerf
@fatnerf 3 жыл бұрын
I also think that a close chip breaker does wonder. However it is rare to find actual measurements of what close means. So for a smoothing plane (it doesn’t make real sense for grunt work), it is usually a small fraction of a millimeter,
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I have never been able to get the close up chipbreaker method to work.
@adobotachibana732
@adobotachibana732 6 ай бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I think that might be because of the back bevel, I never put back bevels on my planes because of that, while I think it is a pain to flatten the back (at least the quarter to half inch or so before the cutting edge) I am convinced it is worth doing.
@Gwynbuck
@Gwynbuck 3 жыл бұрын
I live in the UK. Where can I buy the wax stick you use on the bottom of your plane? If I can't get it here, what would you suggest as an alternative?
@jefflavenau6805
@jefflavenau6805 3 жыл бұрын
Do you think you can discuss how to know when it's time to resharpen, and anything to look out for? I'm new to sharpening at this level, and I was planing some maple today and it was beautiful! Then, after a bit, the shavings were shredding on the grain lines of the board edge. Is that a sharpening tell, or a clue to use more blade? Is it possible to accidentally sharpen to a fragile edge? Those kinds of hints would be great!
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
So telling when to sharpen is a fell you gain with experience. Before you get that experience the ways to tell are:1) plane gets harder to push, 2) instead of a nice shaving you are getting tears in the shavings or sawdust no shaving. Until you get a feel, sharpen more often. No you cannot sharpen too much or make the edge fragile. Watch my sharpening video
@alfredobanuelos4730
@alfredobanuelos4730 10 ай бұрын
As a woodworker new to hand tools, I’ve struggled with figured grain. I just don’t seem to get the results I’m hoping for. I actually bought your plane based on your videos.. I do have a question. What do you mean when you say high angle? Because it looks like you’re using the same plane.
@davidcampbell2845
@davidcampbell2845 3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter what level of kit you've got, or your proficiency level. The deep and broad nature of the knowledge imparted here means that - if you understand and follow it - you will always be able to work at your best, relative to your means. If that's not an example of excellence in instruction, I don't know what is - and I've been going it for 31 years.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
wow, I am humbled. Thanks for watching and commenting
@MD-en3zm
@MD-en3zm Жыл бұрын
Does WoodRiver offer different frog pitches (e.g. york, etc.)?
@debandmike3380
@debandmike3380 2 жыл бұрын
When you pull your plane back across the wood for the next stroke you can hear the scratching sound how does that benefit either the wood or the blade, I would think it would either scratch or compress the wood or round over the bottom of your plane blade.
@nalretrac2403
@nalretrac2403 2 жыл бұрын
I might be a little confused. I thought you had to put a high angle frog in a bailey type plane (isn't that what you were using?) in order to get a higher angle setup for wood susceptible to tearout. In your video you changed irons to do this.. How is that done? Thanks.
@frankhill9527
@frankhill9527 3 жыл бұрын
One key element that Rob did not call out in this video is the use of Magic Wax next to the sharp blade this helps so much with hand planning. I swear by the stuff.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Frank. Yup you are so correct. Thanks for pointing that out
@breyerssdb
@breyerssdb 3 жыл бұрын
Do you have a video explaining the high angle blade? Also is there any difference in sharpening the high angle blade?
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
yes. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jbGfea-rltSsaaM.html
@jasonrobinson9524
@jasonrobinson9524 3 жыл бұрын
There are 5 dislikes so I can only assume that the white oak, quilted maple, bird's eye, claro and purple heart boards all have internet access
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I never thought of that, maybe you are right
@RD-jw3fh
@RD-jw3fh 3 жыл бұрын
Hi. That is, to achieve an angle of 65 degrees, I simply grind the spare blade at an angle of 20 degrees, put it in the same way as in the plane low angle fax up. And how to fasten a chipbreaker? In a video with an angle of 65, you have a chipbreaker installed.
@daryaivanova310
@daryaivanova310 3 жыл бұрын
What is the type of wax Rob using?
@ZenithsCipher
@ZenithsCipher 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great contents Rob. Recently I am working with ash on a project, and I have trouble getting a smooth finish with hand plane. I found 220 grits sand paper yields a much smoother finish than planing. Is it due to the coarse grain nature of ash, or is there something wrong with my planing technique?
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Its your planning technique. You should be able to get a very nice finish from the ash. Here is what to look at: 1) Blade sharpness. You need a really sharp blade. Look at your sharpeningtechnique 2) use a very small blade projection. These two techniques take care of 99% of all tear out, especially in North American native woods. let me know how it goes.
@ZenithsCipher
@ZenithsCipher 3 жыл бұрын
RobCosman.com thank you for confirming that. Now I know I shall expect a perfect smooth planning finish on ash, and keep improving my sharpening and planing techniques!
@williambranham6249
@williambranham6249 2 жыл бұрын
Yes I had a similar problem with Ash. I wish this video had been available at that time. Live and learn. I ended up sanding.
@Ammed_KN6STX
@Ammed_KN6STX 3 жыл бұрын
Now that was a workout!!! No need to have the weight set in the shop, just do that everyday. 💪🏻 Very informative video as always.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Well COl luther designed it. He is truly amazing, a brilliant brian, just amazing
@Ammed_KN6STX
@Ammed_KN6STX 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t forget that he is a handsome man!!!
@konmingyew7282
@konmingyew7282 3 жыл бұрын
hi rob would you prefer a no 5 or no 5 1/2 in terms of all rounder everything, but if you had smaller hands.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
5 will suit a smaller person perfectly!
@konmingyew7282
@konmingyew7282 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Thks so much.
@williambranham6249
@williambranham6249 2 жыл бұрын
Did you simply change the frog to get a 65 degree or do you have a dedicated high angle plane?
@Jan-S-Simonsen
@Jan-S-Simonsen 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, and thanks for another great video. Do you have anything on sharpening blades to different angles? I noticed you have 45 and 65 in this video. I only sharpen mine to 30/25. Thank you.
@dlewis2446
@dlewis2446 3 жыл бұрын
Think you're misunderstanding the pitch of the blade with the grinding angle. The grindin/sharpening angle(usually 25/30° ish) does not affect the pitch as the blade is set upside down in standard planes, the pitch is always the same. What Rob does is a grind a miniscule 20°back bevel on the blade to alter the pitch, in this case,to a higher angle pitch of 65°. Not a huge fan of backbeveling good blades personally as, well I'm not quite sure but it was frowned upon back in the day and old habits die hard haha but there is no real reason not to have one I'm honest it's cheaper than a dedicated high angle plane so...
@barryomahony4983
@barryomahony4983 3 жыл бұрын
@@dlewis2446 Thanks for the explanation; I was a bit confused since this was a bevel-down plane, so I was wondering how he varied the angle(?)
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
D Lewis is all over it. Here is a video I did on how to make a high angle blade: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jbGfea-rltSsaaM.html
@dalemcbride7299
@dalemcbride7299 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Rob, I have had some issues with a bade and chip breaker I purchased for my #8 Stanley. while trying to flatten my Maple bench I have significant tear out . should I regrind to a 65 degree setup and give it a shot?
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
My first thought is did you glue up the maple for th etop with all th egrain oriented in the same direction or do you have reversing garin due to th eglue up?
@dalemcbride7299
@dalemcbride7299 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Yes I goofed on a couple of pieces. is there a way to recover
@bobberry6028
@bobberry6028 3 жыл бұрын
I have to ask is your purpose for planing wood for surface preparation or for removing stock. When I pick up a plane I'm wanted to reduce the stock size by a fractional amount much as you would with a scrub plane or to take the twist out of a board. Am I missing some here?
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Bob, short answer is both. It depends on whatyou are trying to do? If working strickly hand tools then I do every operation, dimensioning with handplanes. However, on a daily basis I typically use planes for surface preparation and use my machines for removing large amounts of wood. There just is nothing to compare to a pamed wood surface.
@DinkDink
@DinkDink 3 жыл бұрын
I was so please when I was finally able to plane curly maple. Very sharp blade with a right throat did the trick for me. However, no matter what I do, I can’t seem to plane quarter sawn sycamore... have tried tight throat, chip breaker right up close, lightest pass while still getting a shaving, and a higher plane angle. Am I missing something or is sycamore just too soft a wood?
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Sycamore can be difficult but its doable. Maybe you just had a difficult piece
@daryaivanova310
@daryaivanova310 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of lubricating stick wax Rob is using?
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
robcosman.com/collections/miscellaneous/products/rob-cosmans-plane-magic-wax
@aleksamaker8118
@aleksamaker8118 3 жыл бұрын
Did you change the depth adjuster knob on your plane?
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Yep, we named it "adjuSTAR". So much easier to use. Currently out of stock, released it a few weeks ago and sold out in 12 hours. more coming. robcosman.com
@jmiewlsn
@jmiewlsn 2 жыл бұрын
A bit tangential, but looking at that piece of walnut there appears to be a lot of large pores. What would you use to fill those?
@1deerndingo
@1deerndingo 3 жыл бұрын
Does the speed of the travel of the plane make a difference? I like using an Aussie timber called Southern Silky Oak (Grevillea robusta) due to it's fine quilting and other usable qualities. That quilting can make it prone to tear-out. I was sharpening to 6000 but would end up with some tear-out now and then. I then bought a Shapton 16000. Using the same blade sharpened so as to provide an attack angle of 62 degrees I rarely get tear-out. Sharp wins! It's not a sales gimmick.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
speed doesnt matter. Glad you have success with 16K
@Cactustone
@Cactustone 3 жыл бұрын
Please try White Ash! I'm continually having a difficult time planing Ash without causing tear out. Thank you!
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Ok i will see if i can work it into one of our videos
@Cactustone
@Cactustone 3 жыл бұрын
RobCosman.com Thank you!
@davidanderson5767
@davidanderson5767 3 жыл бұрын
Would it matter on the white oak if you angled the plane more to more of a skew?
@clamage
@clamage 3 жыл бұрын
I would think that would make tear-out worse. By skewing the plane, you're effectively lowering the angle of attack and making it more likely to lift the fibres
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Sam nailed it, lowers attack angle.
@moeszyslack4676
@moeszyslack4676 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I would not have thought that at all. Now I know for next time. Thank you for the question and the answers!
@TheTranq
@TheTranq 3 жыл бұрын
For the high angle setup, did you just do a 10-15 degree bevel on the blade?
@tonylenge424
@tonylenge424 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I was wondering the same thing??
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
20 degree, used a jig
@HH-yr8ry
@HH-yr8ry 3 жыл бұрын
I am working with figure mahogany, to avoid tear out, i use a 25 to 30 grade, plus the 45 grade of the plane.
@integritymatters5114
@integritymatters5114 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of wax do you use and where do we find it?
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Its a special formula that we have made for us. We are currently sold out but should be back in stock soon. Meanwhile I recommend parafin....I prefer tea candles you can buy cheap at a big box store
@jackarmbruster3687
@jackarmbruster3687 Жыл бұрын
Who makes wooden tool boxes?
@tombaker3794
@tombaker3794 3 жыл бұрын
Rob, I like to finish all show surfaces by planing, and when tear out occurs, I first try skewing the plane for a shearing action, and if this proves unsuccessful, I finish with a card scraper or scraper plane. Suprised you didn't mention these techniques.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
The topic was "Hand Planing", not scraping. Different procedure different video.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
But skewing to get that shearing action is a great technique. Actually i think i should add that to my process: 1) sharp blade 2) try skewing 3) smaller projection. Great tip
@tombaker3794
@tombaker3794 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking Rob, actually I do more than skew the plane, I don't push the plane straight forward with it skewed, I also kind of sweep it at an angle. Not sure if that correctly describes the method, but I try to slice as much as possible, pushing forward & sweeping in an arc at the same time. It's pretty much a trial and error method, but I've found it very good for me. Thanks
@marinemikeusmc6529
@marinemikeusmc6529 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to see how a low angle bench plane compares on those same pieces of wood
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I do not prefer a low angle, primarially because of its lighter weight and I find it not easy to adjust (reach the knob) while planing. So knowing my preference, i would not want to plane in difficult grain with a lighter plane, i want the heft
@marinemikeusmc6529
@marinemikeusmc6529 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking yes I agree. You have a great video from late last year I think that compares them. I just thought it might further drive your point to see how much more difficult it would be to get these results with a light plane like a L.A.jack with or without this video was great. As always thanks for the awesome content. Can't wait for the next one
@2112kustoms.
@2112kustoms. 3 жыл бұрын
Where did you get Birdseye stock that size?
@2112kustoms.
@2112kustoms. 3 жыл бұрын
Try some desert ironwood.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Exotic Woods in Toronto
@browniejroak
@browniejroak 3 жыл бұрын
You briefly mentioned, but didn’t show (probably because you got it done with the plane) how a scraper might have fixed the tear out. Were you thinking about a simple flat scraper or something more involved, like a lie Nielsen scraper plane? Would a simple flat scraper and possibly changing direction in the middle of the board work?
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
eitherwould work, but I was refering to a simple hand held scraper blade
@sausageseggandchips
@sausageseggandchips 3 жыл бұрын
Not forgetting the old trick of wetting the surface of the wood slightly. Not a brilliant method, steel vs water being an issue, but it worked reasonably well when machine planing and thicknessing gnarly timbers.
@TomTrees
@TomTrees 3 жыл бұрын
Hello Rob I don't get why the close set cap iron isn't an option, since it's not exactly doing any terrible modifications to the plane. Have you issue with honing your cap iron to 50 degrees ? Good to know you can still have an open mouth with your IBC irons, I was thinking that they might have been too thick for it to work, and the plane choke up, so I'm quite confused why you choose not to utilize it? I'd never take the risk of not doing so, especially on camera! I gotta guess your dislike of the close set cap is just to demonstrate how well you can sharpen : ) All the best Tom
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I just habve never been able to achieve satisfactory results with that methiod!! maybe I am doing something wrong?
@anthonysteventon1518
@anthonysteventon1518 3 жыл бұрын
little confused on changing the angle on the blade from 45 to 65, i kinda thought you would have to change the frog bed angle with bevel down plane , does the change take place on the micro bevel?
@clamage
@clamage 3 жыл бұрын
He'll have put a back bevel of 20 degrees on that high angle blade to make the effective angle 65.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Sam to the rescue again! You could change the frog to a different bed angle but WR doesnt make HA frogs. A much easier solution is to buy a second blade and on the back of the blade grind in and polish a 20 degree bevel
@anthonysteventon1518
@anthonysteventon1518 3 жыл бұрын
@@clamage have had tear out and always used a scraper plane , this is much help, Thanks
@anthonysteventon1518
@anthonysteventon1518 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking thank's found this a very helpful video as most of your videos, especially sharp inning videos , been a game changer for me.
@psiclops521
@psiclops521 2 жыл бұрын
What I learned here was that the most effective way to avoid tearout is to sharpen like Cosman. I can't sing like Pavarotti either.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 2 жыл бұрын
Use the same gear I use and the “how-to” becomes a paint-by-number!
@essmene
@essmene 3 жыл бұрын
What do scrubs do that do not posses a power plane and need to plane before the surface finish and only get the cheap wood with grain going its own way.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Try again, Im not following your line of thought.
@essmene
@essmene 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworking I am Sorry. It seemed to me in the video that the slabs you used hat been pre-processed by a power plane to a flat surface with minor tear out by the machine. I once tried to scrub a stained kitchen table out of hardware store wood - and the plane dug right into the wood on occasion. The wood was laminated in like 2-4cm - ther was hardly a grain to follow -the plane hardly took any chips, but ritght in front of a wood eye it would dug right into the wood leaving nasty tear outs wholes. It will most probably be a stupid beginners fault paired with cheap tools - the good planes are just out of reach. I read somewhere if the blade is too thin the plane can start to stutter. I am sorry for the bad writing of my first post. I had the impression that the slabs were pre-processed and I need to make it work without and just stuck and clueless why and had hoped to find an answer in this video and it seemed like - if you have a 4.000$ thickness planer you take off the damaged surface and later smooth it of with very small junks. Again - should have done something different and comeback later with a more coherant train of thought.
@paultay23
@paultay23 3 жыл бұрын
Brill simply Brill
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I hope it helped
@Jinnuksuk
@Jinnuksuk 2 жыл бұрын
I found that I had small tear outs with African Mahogany but they tore out a lot. It seemed easier to plane it sideways.
@Exodus5K
@Exodus5K 3 жыл бұрын
What I'm hearing you say here Rob is that I need to buy a high angle smoothing plane in addition to my standard angle smoother.
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
Not really. My message was a sharp blade and short projection will solve almost all tear out issues. For the 1-3 percent of the time it doesnt work then your next step is high angle
@Exodus5K
@Exodus5K 3 жыл бұрын
@@RobCosmanWoodworkingI need to buy a high angle smoothing plane... got it :)
@ricos1497
@ricos1497 3 жыл бұрын
@@Exodus5K Just the blade, not the whole plane.
@Ruben25252
@Ruben25252 3 жыл бұрын
You should try japanese planes
@konmingyew7282
@konmingyew7282 3 жыл бұрын
sorry, i know this question is kind of hard to answer but i really need a master's opinion on thing like this because it is kind of hard to choose.
@dukeengine1339
@dukeengine1339 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe something is missing: I found iroko to be a bad ass to plane, always dealing with curly grain and never got rid of tear out...
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
so try the steps, sharp blade, thin cut, tight mouth. If that doesnt do it go with High angle blade. let me know how it comes out
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
so try the steps, sharp blade, thin cut, tight mouth. If that doesnt do it go with High angle blade. let me know how it comes out
@johnkirwan762
@johnkirwan762 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like you found the only straight grained piece of purple heart on the planet!! Stuff is a nightmare to work with lol
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I know can you beleave that. Purple Heart always tears out
@Exodus5K
@Exodus5K 3 жыл бұрын
Understanding the Grain: 1:58 Planing with and against the grain: 4:48 Birdseye Maple Test: 6:08 Clario Walnut Test: 9:53 White Oak Test: 13:20 Purple Heart Test: 18:47
@chrisdugger9527
@chrisdugger9527 Жыл бұрын
Bevel up?
@paulkrieg1360
@paulkrieg1360 Жыл бұрын
The more I watch and read, the more I think my plane just isn't actually sharp.
@Steve_1401
@Steve_1401 2 жыл бұрын
I have a plank of Bolivian Rosewood, no matter what I try the tear out is awful.
@philclennell
@philclennell 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting that Rob wasn't a fan of placing the cap iron tight to the edge of the blade, as advocated by several other experts who claim this cures tear-out without the need for high angle blades. If the experts disagree, what hope is there for the rest of us?
@reerini
@reerini 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for another great video, Rob. You mentioned the chipbreaker position - of course your experience is it's own authority on the matter, but I do want to share the below video of extreme close up footage of several chipbreaker geometries and positions to see how it affects the shaving. There is undeniably a big effect, but how it affects the work is up to the craftsman to decide, I'd say. vimeo.com/158558759
@RobCosmanWoodworking
@RobCosmanWoodworking 3 жыл бұрын
I have never been able to see an effect of putting the chipbreaker a couple thou away from th eblade. In th evideo you mention they show up front how effect a sharpe blade with a minimal cut is at reducing tear out. Thats what I like to do
@peepawhebert6479
@peepawhebert6479 3 жыл бұрын
Good video.
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