Handguards! Cheap Vs. Expensive: Does the Difference Really Matter

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@xxfire07 5 жыл бұрын

I like the fact that this video is not 30 minutes long. It gets right to the meat and potatoes. 👍🏼

@Blankford777 5 жыл бұрын

Digging this "high-end vs budget" stuff man. Keep it coming.

@NEPAGUNTALK 5 жыл бұрын

As somebody who is just getting into AR builds, these videos are priceless. Keep this series going. Thanks.

@MrWzeljunior 4 жыл бұрын

Which mods have you made thus far?

@NEPAGUNTALK 4 жыл бұрын

@@MrWzeljunior I'm on my 3rd lower build... But have pussied out and bought complete uppers for them so far...

@Token_Black_Guy 3 жыл бұрын

@@NEPAGUNTALK true but fuck springs and detents

@NEPAGUNTALK 3 жыл бұрын

@@Token_Black_Guy Lol... Now that I have a few builds under my belt... AGREED !!!

@ronb8052 Жыл бұрын

Good, concise video. My feeling about a handguard is: most guys want "bragging rights" regarding the brand. As long as it's free-floated, it's (almost) purely cosmetic. The barrel nut weight is usually steel versus aluminum, but, technically, I'd concentrate more on an expensive barrel, trigger and optic.

@darioalfarero6995 4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate you doing this series! Its nice to see what the difference is in the different priced parts! Thank you!

@mtnbound2764 4 жыл бұрын

great vid, I love the concept you've got going on here of a side by side budget and high dollar build. really helps us understand the differences and see where the value is and isnt.

@Rcasca1 5 жыл бұрын

Love this series Kotaboy. I hope we get to see the actual build.

@frcgfd107 5 жыл бұрын

I am enjoying this series quite a bit, I can’t do an AR build right now but hopefully that will change and I am learning a lot watching this channel. Please keep the videos like this one coming! Thank you for posting these videos and you just keep on keeping on.

@Quality_Guru 5 жыл бұрын

Nicely done. Specially liked that you kept the prices posted during the duration of the video.

@seanrogers9863 4 жыл бұрын

anti-rotation! key.... so despite the cheap one being a pain to time, it has anti-rotation... so actually a win there IMO

@sarahgraves6759 4 жыл бұрын

I was wondering about that. I'm new to free float and have been looking at the Stngr handguard. I can see in theirs how it's made to be anti rotation based on fit with the receiver and then there is a little nubbin on the plate that fits with the barrel nut to keep the guard from moving forward as well. Looked like the cheap guard was set with similar ideas but what keeps the expensive one from walking forward, even with that plate installed? The way he will be using it is relying entirely on clamping pressure, right? Or am I missing something about this process?

@seanrogers9863 4 жыл бұрын

@@sarahgraves6759 depends which one you have some stop it from moving forward with the bolts that go through and lock with the barrel nut, some are just clamped on, if it is just clamped there is a barrel nut glue that should be used. But in my experience it is better to have anti rotation tabs, and the barrel nut that allows the bolts to slide through to prevent forward movement

@sarahgraves6759 4 жыл бұрын

@@seanrogers9863 I appreciate the information, thank you!

@Alpha-move 4 жыл бұрын

Not necessarily, this dude just bought the wrong guard for his upper. Midwest industries makes several variants to fit his build better. I whole heartedly endorse midwest industries. They have a far superior product

@JoelCaseyJonesMusic 3 жыл бұрын

Correction... the MI has anti rotation as well. Can confirm. I have a 12” G3LW on my Recce.

@jasonmorris159 3 жыл бұрын

It's usually supporting someone sending their 8 year old to little league, rather than supporting someone sending their 8 year old to work...

@Matt-ze3oo 5 жыл бұрын

love this series . learning lots I never knew before thanks!

@MagicPrepper 5 жыл бұрын

Great video. Nice to see the comparison side by side. You get what you pay for but, the budget stuff is getting better and better.

@ScottyM1959 5 жыл бұрын

Great video! Very enlightening thanks for doing this series.

@magdump7380 5 жыл бұрын

Just put an AT3 15” handguard on my boy’s AR. Very impressed with the fit and quality and only cost $85.🤘

@pinger5563 5 жыл бұрын

I've been using Acme Machine Handguards. Some of there gen 2 HG's come with anti rotation tabs. Prices range from $60-$40 dollars. I paid $40 shipped for my 15" M-lok that's on my Aero Precision M5 Ar-10. Also most of the Acme Machine brand I think is made in the USA, but not entirely sure. Thanks for keeping what everyone else calls up the "poor's" in mind.

@the.j.b.5782 Жыл бұрын

I've been trying to chase down a somewhat reasonably priced handguard. Never heard of acme untill this comment. You just saved me a ton. Thank you sir!

@davebriscoe8259 4 жыл бұрын

I’ve had good success with the guntec style longer barrel nut, they some in steel and aluminum. They seem support the handguard better than the shorter Midwest style. Specially when handguards get in the 15” to 17” range.

@jonhurley1750 5 жыл бұрын

Love it bud! I really like seeing the weight comparison

@thefireman285 5 жыл бұрын

Really like this series you are doing. You are the reason I considered building(ahem..assembling) 2 AR pistols. Now I want to build some custom rifles too! Thank you!

@savagereloader6699 5 жыл бұрын

Appreciate this series, some real great work!

@pony_4759 5 жыл бұрын

We appreciate all your hard work , KIeep it up !!

@volanteaggie 5 жыл бұрын

Digging the comparison in the build along! Good stuff as usual

@largelarry2126 3 жыл бұрын

I like handguards with longer barrel nuts they just seem more solid out near the tip.

@bjbarlow 5 жыл бұрын

Really enjoy the high-end vs budget series.

@timburton409 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome reviews. I have been digging the ALG handguards and the Aero handguards. The ALG handguards are smooth, well finished, solid lockup, just solid pieces for a great price. The only thing is timing the nut takes a touch more work but not bad. The Aero r-one,s-one handguards are awesome also. Simple yet effective. No barrel nut timing plus the are smooth machined and nice pieces. Also have a Midwest industries on a 308 which is a nice solid handguards but my main complaint with it is the machined holes have squared off edges which are not real comfy on the the hands. I need some rail scales on it.

@kevinroberts9580 5 жыл бұрын

Great series, can't wait to see the groups they produce

@magdump7380 4 жыл бұрын

Recently installed a 15” AT3 hand guard on a rifle. Impressed with the quality and was only $85.🤘

@redsky8509 5 жыл бұрын

never having had any sort of "black" rifle. this is a very good series for me to watch. thank you.

@tonyleesmann8234 5 жыл бұрын

My last build I used an aero m4e1 enhanced upper with the aero handguard. Absolutely love it. Talk about easy to put together

@tonyleesmann8234 5 жыл бұрын

Also used ballistic advantage 17.5" .223 wylde stainless barrel in hanson profile

@hecner 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this series.. I always enjoy watching your videos. Hoping you have a great rest of your week. Happy 4th.

@justgriff1295 5 жыл бұрын

I'm so glad you weighed them! Good review.

@90blkteg 4 жыл бұрын

Love your vids!!! I’m in the process of building my dad an AR47 for his birthday. He used to be in the army can’t wait to see that way he cycles this rifle after it’s done

@williambell7763 3 жыл бұрын

@thickock45 not him, but I built one with a faxon barrel, pretty good about 2-3 moa with Steelcase amm, good function and light rifle with the gunner profile barrel paired to an alg handguard

@ericmilburn9841 5 жыл бұрын

Great Video! Been gathering parts for my Grendel build.

@ryancrawford3678 2 жыл бұрын

Same here. The only issue I ever had with Midwest industries was on an AK rail. Didn't quite fit right and I had to do a lot of dremeline and it's still a little crooked

@jeffmillsaps1966 5 жыл бұрын

Great series! Some parts are worth spending the extra $$$ and some are not. If you pick and choose where you spend your money you can save quite a bit and still put together an accurate and fun rifle.

@davidstowe2841 5 жыл бұрын

Reveiw of test guns is great will use your info on next build!!!!

@BenderDigital 5 жыл бұрын

Love this series, keep it up!

@SocalReloader 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks fpr the info !! Keep it coming!

@bob69075 5 жыл бұрын

Man your content is great! not sure why you don't have more subs. Anyway thanks.

@airborneivan 5 жыл бұрын

Loving this series. Looking forward to the next video. specially since I'm looking to by or build a SPR/DMR set up.

@toddk1377 5 жыл бұрын

I like this series. Keep it up bud. As far as budget rails go, BCA has their hanguards pretty cheap. I also think Stinger handguards are worth a look too, they aren't budget, but they're also very nice handguards that include the barrel nut and wrench.

@toddk1377 3 жыл бұрын

@@kylemarsun We aren't fans of the Punisher, lol.

@ryanrichardson9915 3 жыл бұрын

I had a cheap one on an Aero that I bought. Everything was Aero except the Handguard and the Furniture. I went to put the front sight on it and realized the handguard was twisted ever so slightly. The front sight was canted the right when I cowitnessed through the Red Dot. Replaced with an MI and never looked back.

@milspecgrunt1778 5 жыл бұрын

This series you're doing is very informative, and it gives me a few idea's for future builds. Friends come to me to build them a rifle, I just tell you buy all the parts and build it for a fee.

@pontiacmaniac2 5 жыл бұрын

I actually prefer the types of hand guards that have to be timed. They seem to be more sturdy and I trust them more, I had a MI hand guard that used the clamp on style hand guard, and had problems with it rotating on me. It seems like most companies have moved away from the clamp on type.

@HotBrass-Lead Жыл бұрын

How could it rotate on you when it has tabs on it that literally grip the upper receiver? Hmm 🤔

@pontiacmaniac2 Жыл бұрын

@@HotBrass-Lead It was one of their older handguards, probably 10 years ago, no tabs, not the one he is showing in this video.

@guins99 3 жыл бұрын

Went with 15“ Midwest quad rail for my AR, cost 210 but gives my ultimate in versatility and I love the aggressive look.

@Chuck1284- 17 сағат бұрын

Really like your videos. Clearly you have done quite a few builds since you focus on the nuts & bolts stuff without the mind-numbing aesthetic crap many of the genre get sidetracked on that doesn't mean much when it doesn't work in the field/range, it might be pretty but it's structurally cheesy. So thanks for your honest opinions and your no BS reviews. Keep it up OG!

@live4wild968 5 жыл бұрын

I have the same Midwest on my last AR I just built. Great Series brother

@FTW1013 5 жыл бұрын

The MI spacer stops the rail from rotating or sliding forward pretty important. Can make work with a little dremel work

@panhead1871 5 жыл бұрын

I hope the budget build shoots better than the high-end build.

@jamesjones4607 4 жыл бұрын

The downside is that if he has any issues with that bearcreek barrel he's weeks if he's extremely lucky, but in my experience no less the 3 months to get the ram, and another 3 - 6 months for the return, they have a few good customer service reps, but that's where the good ends as there QC isn't there

@p47rr Жыл бұрын

Hontac is my favorite affordable handguard. Made in America. 6061-T6 Aluminum. Steel barrel nut. Clamp on. No need to time the handguard. Bought one. Was going to upgrade latter. But I was so impressed. And six years latter. It’s still holding up.

@olysean92 5 жыл бұрын

Great series. When you get them built and tested, I'd like to hear your thoughts about scope mirage differences from barrel heat between the budget rifle having the solid picatinny rail on top vs the skeletonized top of the expensive rifle hand guard.

@kansasgardener5844 3 жыл бұрын

I like the PSA guards and the Grendel Hunter slant guard just looks sick!

@havoc1zero 5 жыл бұрын

I have the stngr 15" handrail. I love it and love the price even more.

@asherdie 5 жыл бұрын

Have there been any hand guard rotation problems leaving the tab out? Heat cycles and twisting from grip and sling attachment would concern me.

@J-D248 5 жыл бұрын

Love your videos dude! Awesome.

@helinton74 5 жыл бұрын

Very Nice to watch your videos about differences on AR-15 parts, I'm from Brazil and soon AR stile rifles will be allowed to civilians here, if possible make more videos like this on milspec ar15 rifles modifications. Thank you Very much!

@BulletSpoung 4 жыл бұрын

I bet the MI handguard will flex more out at the tip. Always look for a long steel barrel nut, it's a big help for making the guard solid.

@kentuckyjustice1408 5 жыл бұрын

I'm open to any suggestions or explanations, but I'm to the point that I cannot see any good reason for a manufacturer to produce a barrel nut that requires timing. The handguard can be better, more accurately secured (via tabs, grooved barrel nuts, etc.) without having a timed nut, especially when a pic rail is involved. I'm looking forward to what this series of videos produces. Keep it up.

@MichaelEMaus 5 жыл бұрын

Torque the barrel nut with the barrel onto the upper. Place the hand guard on the barrel nut and mark it and drill it for proper location.

@swamprat9018 5 жыл бұрын

Great series. Keep it up.

@goghphucough6410 5 жыл бұрын

Love your channel!!

@Nutinwrkz 4 жыл бұрын

Something to consider. You mentioned you liked having a QD cup cut in the rail. While not a detraction, I don't see it as a benefit either. High end rails are made from 7075 aluminum; cheaper ones out of 6065. All studs are steel. Even high end aluminum loses to steel and will wear in short order, with use. I prefer an M-Lok QD cup, that in addition to being made from steel, also gives you a flexibility to move your attachment point wherever you want.

@alexmar1382 4 жыл бұрын

I'd pick the Guntec handguard and use the $119 to buy over 600 rounds of .233/5.56 ammo. Nicer hand guard don't make you a better shooter; over 600 rounds of practice can.

@appalachianvolk1958 4 жыл бұрын

I also think the stupid expensive one is ugly

@stuckcase7775 4 жыл бұрын

I have a Midwest on my 5.56. It’s actually very narrow and gives me a great purchase on the rifle. It’s also light which is a bigger deal.

@mcnuggatron2129 4 жыл бұрын

is 556 super inflated right now, or what? i keep seeing people throw figures like your own out there, but when i look, its like 35-80 cents a round. (not trying to say youre wrong, just want to know if its usually cheaper or something because im currently building an ar and dont remember how much it usually is lol)

@pixelfire6121 4 жыл бұрын

Mcnuggatron I have noticed that too, even the dirty Malaysian surplus stuff is like 40-50 cents

@mcnuggatron2129 4 жыл бұрын

@@pixelfire6121 huh, do you know of it used to be cheaper? Hoping it gets cheaper again if so lol

@CorruptedGamer2015 5 жыл бұрын

Definitely recommend Stngr rails big time. USA made, sleak and lightweight, well priced and super easy to install. I put the 10" Stngr Hwk on my 10.5" pistol build and for $90 I dont think I could beat it for the price.

@gregmaggert8561 2 жыл бұрын

Very cool. Enjoyed this alot

@Gunhiker 5 жыл бұрын

I have a Mid State slanted hybrid handguard on one rifle. It has milled in short forward left, right , underneath rail sections, QD mounts. The handguard has key mod down the sides but mlock on the bottom. It came on a complete upper, I like it.

@Gunhiker 5 жыл бұрын

Enjoying the series, are you going to include hand grips, stocks, buffer tubes & buffers? I'm sure your going to compare BCGs..

@TheCleveland1987 3 жыл бұрын

man thank you so much i been doing research on this upcoming build and i think i found the hand guard i wont now

@JohnnyVeritas 5 жыл бұрын

I love the vids buddy. I am drinking beers and building my new AR's while I watch. :)

@rustytaylor7708 4 жыл бұрын

I don't believe you lol.

@camyota 3 жыл бұрын

I actually ordered that same guntec setup. I never liked the clamp on style and don't mind the shims. My plan with the swivel mount is to get a QD mlok setup. They're fairly cheap.

@gregmosk 5 жыл бұрын

Great info and enjoy the comparisons. 👍👍🇺🇸

@scotthankins55 4 жыл бұрын

I am in the middle of building a new AR10 6.5 CM and after weeks of research I can tell you with the exception of a few, very few, parts the price points are of little concern. you have to ask your self a few questions, what is your goal? ("long-range vs short-range" and "hunting vs target shooting") what is your budget? (you have a fixed price vs cheap as posable). you can build an AR10 for as low as $700 for (Hunting and plinken) or you can go all out for a long-range precision build for upwards of $3000. Personally, I put mine together with the idea that I want to do some fun long-range shooting (not precision) and first and foremost I am a hunter. My build came in at just under $1200. Honestly, you need a good set of receivers, a good barrel, and a nice scope, ALL the rest is up for personal preferences. After that half your performance is AMMO. I see absolutely no advantage in either of the two pieces in this review, the main thing I see here is you prefer Midwest Ind. on every point. this is your opinion not true quality differences.

@musketbal 5 жыл бұрын

Another option for a budget handguard is AIM Sports. Neat barrel nut design. Primary Arms has them as well as Optics Planet where you can get them Cerakoted different colors.

@blackbushido 2 жыл бұрын

Hello. Your video’s are so informative, thank you so very much!! I was just wondering I’m building a 300 blackout and I’m going to use the Daniel Defense A4 upper receiver assembly and MOST DEFINITELY plan on using the the Midwest (which is made in the USA, if you haven’t already found out lol) ULW Ultra Lightweight one piece free floating handguard with the Proof Research carbon fiber barrel 12.5” and wondering if that lock nut ring will fit on that A4 upper receiver assembly?? Thank you and thank yo for your timely response

@bigc7710 5 жыл бұрын

Loving the series. What upper and lower receivers are you going with?

@ngtarz 5 жыл бұрын

this is sweet!! keep it up!

@unmalo2768 5 жыл бұрын

You can get a 15" m-lok handguard for $36 on ebay with the same features (Clamp style barrel nut), just no QD mount, but those can be had for $5 on ebay. Overpaying for a piece of aluminum because of the name on it is asinine.

@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 5 жыл бұрын

Un Garza Who makes that rail?

@Jeremy_810 4 жыл бұрын

Seems like just yesterday I was shopping the BCM website to replace the plastic handguards on my neutered A2 Bushmaster. There was 2 options, an ARMS SIR rail for almost $400 or a MI 2 piece drop in quad rail for $150. Youngins don't know how good they got it these days

@darknature79 3 жыл бұрын

I been getting the guntech, shroud/muzzle breaks and love em. And I've got the even cheaper than guntech rails the ohunt on aliexpress and after 2 years and 6 of them 0 problems and they were all $40 and under shipped.

@jamesjones4607 4 жыл бұрын

I'd pick a trinity force handguard, when they start having stuff in stock, GunTec price, mounts like the Midwest, with a no questions asked warranty

@bl1969 5 жыл бұрын

I have a MI barrel on my 10.3 AR it’s the larger diameter and 12” so it cover my silencer. The great thing about the MI it’s easy to remove

@Cmoth040 4 жыл бұрын

I've used the Guntec handguards for a couple of my own builds. I have no complaints. They're modeled after the original Noveske fore-ends and the M-Lok is the correct dimensions. Good kit. The Fortis Night Rail I put on one of my last builds looks awesome and has a really easy barrel nut interface design (seriously, easiest install ever), the GunTec does the same job for nearly 1/4 the price.

@boostedbavarian Жыл бұрын

Guntec is 100% Chinese garbage 😅

@Cmoth040 Жыл бұрын

@@boostedbavarian its Chinese, it takes a bit more effort to co-align with the receiver, but the two I have used on training rifles are not garbage. I wouldn't put them on a duty rifle, but for the range or casual hunting, they work fine. I've had mine for years and they're still on solid. Would I recommend them over the more budget friendly options available now? Lord no.

@boostedbavarian Жыл бұрын

@Cmoth040 I hear ya, I bought two carry handles from them and they claimed to be anodizing, but it was literally just black paint. Paint ball quality parts in my opinion.

@Cmoth040 Жыл бұрын

@@boostedbavarian that's how their market operates. They make copies (or get designs from overseas companies) and at first, the quality is spotty. However, they do listen to the criticism. They don't generally admit it, but they make small course corrections. You know, like Glock and Sig Sauer. Slowly but surely they learn from mistakes and the quality improves. When it comes to the Chinese, you truly get what you pay for. Take a look at their newest service rifle. There's a reason it looks like 1990s era Magpul vomited all over a CMMG mutant. We sent over designs to sell on Amazon. We demanded higher quality. They learned from our shooters. Tada! That's how China has always operated.

@Bosstupapa 2 жыл бұрын

I have a guntec handguard come on a upper, I purchase full build already and I removed to check if everything was tork correctly and put it back tork correctly and shoot it and start getting loose and I put more tork and the screws get strip because the over tork, I replace it with my favorite one, midwest industries combat rail and is been solid since then, I have about 8 or 9 midwest industries handguard never have issues with that ones.

@djay6651 4 жыл бұрын

Midwest Industries makes the best looking hand guards outside of Magpul. Not having to time the MI rail is a plus.

@Azerai 4 жыл бұрын

Kinda funny that Noveske's NSR handguards are almost identical to the Guntec one, in additional to the barrel nut, in this video (save for small differences in the lightening cuts) yet they're charging three times the price.

@KentuckyReef 5 жыл бұрын

Really like this new series. I myself am planning on building another rifle. I interested in BCG, trigger and gas block. I usually use SD3G and sharps XPB. The gas block I am thinking about going with the superlative arms adjustable.

@abolishguncontrollaws5689 4 жыл бұрын

Solgw bcg, geseille trigger, cmmg block

@nitegoat1369 4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if Guntech makes the rails for PSA. I bought a complete 10.5" 5.56 PSA upper, and the rail that originally came with it, had the same color, anodizing, and "USA" marking as the Guntech rail in your video. Mine happened to be out of spec, and sat a little over 1/16" lower than the rail on my receiver's flat top. PSA ended up swapping it out for a nicer PSA rail, after sending it back to them two times; the first time they sent it back to me with the original out of spec rail I sent in for replacement. Hell, even the upgraded one they put on it came back to me a tad out of spec, sitting about 1/32" lower than the rail on my receiver.

@tazerface8659 3 жыл бұрын

I have the same Midwest Industries handguard. I wouldn't consider it high end but certainly solid midrange. When I think high end, geissele pops into mind.

@Wasphamma 3 жыл бұрын

Coming in late to the game, but this series is AWESOME!

@northernninety7 3 жыл бұрын

Same

@fin_jan 5 жыл бұрын

My BCA upper, BCG, barrel, & handguard work just fine. Sure the bolt sounds like a cheese grater, but so did the expensive uppers in this other video!

@bcjdwbiernfjherwfbowfib 4 жыл бұрын

I feel like a BCA upper with a $150 radian BCG would outperform a lot of what’s out there.

@onefalseball 4 жыл бұрын

I was able to get a MI handguard for 120 or so on Midway USA and it is beautiful.

@stever4651 5 жыл бұрын

This is a very fun series of videos👍🇺🇸

@jerryjohnsonii4181 5 жыл бұрын

Very Cool Handguards Kotaboy32

@andrewrussell9736 5 жыл бұрын

This series is bad ass.

@ronaldbargo9937 5 жыл бұрын

What stock style are you planning on for both rifles , collapsable or rifle? And what buffer sys. I used the JP low mass rifle buffer , a wolf reduced power spring,aim surplus lightweight BCG ,seekims adj gas block 18" PSA rifle length gas sys, wilson combat comp. All this on a Battle arms development receiver set . Runs great and recoil is like a air gun.useing a Magpul rifle stock with thick pad for added lop . have a PA 1-6 acss gen 2 on it rise armement 140 trigger i put a double star dragon skin tube handguard on it . I love it

@seraph7rb 4 жыл бұрын

You can always clamp an optic across the handguard/reciever gap to keep them perfectly inline to each other...

@clintrannebeck9838 5 жыл бұрын

I would have done Danie Defense or Giessele for the high end. Light years ahead in both the rail and how they mount.

@Scarywoody 5 жыл бұрын

I bought a cheap $60 hand-guard similar to the one you reviewed. It tended to shoot a little loose and needed a lot of attention. Moved up to a BCM and it was a huge difference in quality. I have spent more money going cheap.

@javiermartinezjr8849 Жыл бұрын

Shakespeare;"were we are all nuts"

@anthonybraider6408 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the code!

@donniejoy4469 5 жыл бұрын

just picked up a 15" ghost firearms hanguard from Primary Arms.. killer deal on it and a Low profile gas block from radical firearms.. going to free float my Savage AR for less than 60 bucks.

@seanmontoya2752 5 жыл бұрын

Love this kinda series bud because , I’m going to start my 1st build . It’s going to be a 300 blackout. I think it’s going to be a pistol. Any ideas on barrel type , twist rate and length ??? Thanks KB32tac👊🏼💯🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

@josephcremeans 4 жыл бұрын

@Ian Miller 1×8 is a better all around twist. They seem to stabilize both light and heavier weight bullets better.

@xanimosityxgaming2664 4 жыл бұрын

@@josephcremeans you need a faster twist rate for the heavier ones. 1:7 Twist with 5R rifling is the way to go