Imagine you make a video and you're getting paied by your brother to advertise his video on yours.

Same!

I came here to comment the same thing! haha

​@@lenorelestrangedon't let the feds know

ME TOO

It's not a big screen vs little screen thing though, it's an Apple wanting an extra cut vs everyone else not taking the extra cut thing. You're fine subscribing on Android, it's Apple taking the extra cut. Or Microsoft, or BlackBerry, or Samsung galaxy store or whatever. It's everyone else is equal, but Apple wants their protection payments like an old school mob boss

​@@ViridianFlow That's the strange part, it is correct but only if you have an iPhone

@@hugofontes5708 So iPhone is correct and every other way of paying gets a discount?

It’s correct no matter what, Sam Reich, Dropout CEO said that 15% goes to android no matter what, so to support the people you’re subscribed to, pay via laptop

@@orangeants it's correct but either only on iphone or on dropout then? At least about you paying, not them receiving - say, about big shot subscription services

They are both just insane monopolies that would have been unheard of before Reagan’s presidency. We really need to stop the “anti-regulation” propaganda we are being fed by large multinational corporations.

As an Apple fan, yay

Seems the DOJ has finally been sufficiently embarrassed by the EU to get off their arses.

Duopoly* but yeah it only takes them 10 years and then another 10 to get a verdict

@@wow-sham1300 these large corporations purposely delay the cases as long as they can to force negotiations; because the DOJ is required by law to provide Congress with estimated budgets for large ongoing cases/investigations. There are also (lobbied) Congressmen who also help delay the cases by purposely underfunding them; like the long-serving Congressman from Alabama does for Lockheed every single time! Until we can get Citizens United overturned by Congress, money rules the courts.

It’s their store, their prices. You should be angry at who you’re subbing to for passing on the cost.

​@TheOneTrueKit nah, fck em, they're anticompetitive af

@@lov_eli I blame the other tech giants when we’re the ones losing out. It’s absolutely naive to say this data storage costs nothing, but I’m sure KZfaq and Spotify have a hefty mark up on stuff that doesn’t exist physically.

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​@@TheOneTrueKit- "the price is expensive because Apple decided the price is expensive." is not a redeeming argument.

exactly! its textbook anti-competive! i came into the comments into to say this. its the same reason that Amazon doesn't let you buy kindle books. they don't want to raise the prices or eat the cost like dropout (likely) does

This is true. The only reason apple is worth as much as it is as a company is through monopolistic, anti-competitive practices.

​@@dan5827what do you mean about Amazon not selling kindle books?

@@dan5827 I'm so glad to know this now. I was so annoyed by not being able to buy kindle books on my phone but now . . .

​@@VexeThat and dumb consumers falling for the shtick. It's all well and good to blame apple, but at the end of the day money talks. I thinks it's a 70/30 split, with consumers having the larger share of blame.

Probably because Google (who owns KZfaq) is more than happy to let someone bring down Apple if it means their customers will spend the money they saved on Google services instead

Loooool

I got it on my desktop

😂😂😂

same!

Hmm annual option? News to me, gonna have to check that later at home, didn't see that last time I checked but I'm in the UK.

Yup! He became CEO when they were spun off by the ol' corporate overlords

He's been here the whole time.

His dad is Robert Reich the politician. He is a suit, he's just also nice

@@andrewenderfrost8161 I guess he's well connected, but idk I mean suit like they only care about profit and aren't really attached to what they're managing.

Because he's both owner and talent and in support of the SAG-A strike last year, he made a comment like "I'm CEO and talent! Me says me got to go!".

I also texted my boomer parents, which may end up saving even more.

Yup, grateful to Hank for making this video and saving me $!

​@@NerdFighterNation Great for you!

did it by minute 2 lmao

Wow … when I signed up it was $9.99/month, and they just raised it to $13.99 sometime in the past year. These higher prices are news to me.

That's wild, and should be illegal. You paid for those songs.

Lol in 2006 I was sailing the high seas! 🏴‍☠️

A quick search shows that there are multiple ways to do this for free. There are third party apps, or you can just copy the songs to your Android, or use KZfaq Music if you want them in a cloud. Why did you choose the most cumbersome option?

@@Jehty_because doing it through iTunes/ Apple Music shouldn’t be the most cumbersome option. It should be the easiest option but Apple intentionally makes the customers’ lives hell for profit…

​@@greebmcfleeb5554 and people keep lining up to get the next one. I've never understood iphone people.

*sets vpn to hungary*

@@Darth_Choomba😂

$5 here in Romania as well.

It's $ 13.99 for one person and I think 19.99 or something $ for a family of five Is Sacramento 916 California ⭐

In india it costs $1.54 per month it's insane

The app stores are fucked everyone knows

​@@user-ec3rm9wr1n the average joe definitely does not know.

HUH, the EU should bonk apple and android for that so at least europeans dont get robbed like that

epic tried; i think they still are

@@nigelrobbins5588 Merrick Garland announced that the DOJ is going after them. People like us can't do what the DOJ can! I'd advise voting blue, because the other guy is on the billionaires' side!

THIS THIS THIS

And they waited far too long to do it ( govt.🫱🏽‍🫲🏼Apple 💰). Microsoft got sued right quick when they monopolized the industry, yet the government waited way too long to go after Apple.

You don't get to be worth nearly $3 TRILLION (with a T!) dollars by being the "good" guys.

True, but let's not pretend that Google or Spotify are not evil. Just evil in a different way.

@@brianw1620Honestly most of Apple’s competitors are worse than Apple. Apple Music’s service is better for everyone except Spotify

i didn't notice because everyone around me talks this fast lol

And I am watching at *2 speed

@@oleksandrbyelyenko435 KZfaq needs a 4x option

@@oleksandrbyelyenko435 lol same

He manages to say "profitable" correctly, while talking so fast that it's just him vibrating his tongue, lmao.

I was expecting a rant about how subscription services suck because you pay 60 bucks per year for one piece of content, and the phone marketplaces make it so psychologically convenient and insignificant to spend that 60 bucks with a tap of the fingerprint sensor and its ruining your wallet. No, instead I get a rant about how Google and Apple make 18 dollars per year from your one fingerprint tap, and then engage in anticompetitive behaviors by not charging that 18 bucks for their own services, meaning that I can choose between giving Apple 18 dollars or giving Apple 42 dollars!!!!!1!!. I AM A GIANT SQUID OF ANGER!!!

Same fr its so ridiculous. I pay two subscription services, one for spotify and one for my illustration program on my phone (which is thankfully insanely cheap at only $6.50 annually) but anything else, I refuse to pay for. If its a show or movie, id rather sail the seven seas. Only reason I haven't replaced Spotify yet is bc i listen to a lot of obscure indie bands that are hard to find on other music streaming platforms.

I have a specific card for subscriptions that every few years when it gets stupid, I just cancel it, and the things I actually need I just update my payment details.

This is why people just pirate shiet. That's practically the only thing people used the internet for, once upon a fairytale time

Sounds like the high seas are calling to ya my matey

2:30 time stamp for all those looking to relive the glory lmao

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I like how this is the vibe of Hankschannel now.

as soon as i heard it i came to the comments to find this

Why didn't he use Excel like a normal person?

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Good lord finally

Wait for real?!

About time.

I live in Australia, and our courts found Ticketmaster to be in breach of resale (aka scalping) laws. I’ll paraphrase but TM’s response was basically: “Whatcha gunna do about it?” To which the Aus Govt asked: 9:51 “umm plz stop?” TM: “Left of read” AuG: “😢 Okay”

Dalton 💀

Wow, he just gives out his phone number to people he has on Dropout? He sounds crazy friendly. Where's he from?

​@@cinderwolf32 I know, he's super cagey about that.

@@cinderwolf32 I believe his most recent answer was "Unreal"

What a crazy name. Where’s he from?

You just saved $60 my friend

it’s always so interesting to me to see these comments, his speed of speech didn’t even register in my head because i both talk and speak to people who talk this fast

I watched on 2x, but I thought it sounded a bit fast, lol

Oh wait that's smart. I've been going to their Etsy this whole time instead of their site because it's easier for me to save things and navigate, and I like having everything in one place

It's every platform. Book an hotel? Pay for groceries with a credit card? Somebody's talking cut and bullying the vendors into painful terms. More and more internet companies are taking ownership of product discovery and using that monopoly to force small vendors to either sign up to terrible terms or be forgotten by everybody who only uses the most popular service to find what they want.

To be fair, Etsy's cut is a flat 20 cent fee for the item plus a 3% payment processing fee for the banks - much smaller than a 30% cut. Unless they're frequently selling individual products for less than a dollar it's likely not a huge deal, but if you like a seller and want to support them, obviously that's something they would appreciate 👍 Some Etsy sellers offer discounts or sales for using their external website as well so it's worth checking out!

Same. I buy off Etsy whenever possible.

Apple is on par with EA for scummiest company

Comparing it with Stripe is just weird. Stripe is a payment solution, not a app platform. So even on the App Store, after paying Apple 30%, they still have to pay the payment provider and network (Think you bank and Visa respectively) a transaction amount for everything you buy. Apple charges you to use their platforms to sell apps and services. Stripe is a way to allow you to collect payments from your customers no matter if you own a shop, or selling a service etc

Love how people talk about these things as if it's not straight up illegal in other western countries - poor Americans 😅

I'd really like to know how this is legal. It flaunts so many ant-competition laws.

The 2021 Epic v Apple court case (which Spotify also supported) means that Apple legally can’t prevent developers from telling customers about alternative payment methods outside their platform, which would let them avoid Apple’s 30% fee. That ruling was on hold while they both appealed to the Supreme Court, but their appeals were denied last year. Apple threatened to collect a 27% “commission” fee from developers who added links to alternative payment methods, so companies like Spotify are threatening another lawsuit if Apple tries to collect: that’s why we still can’t buy Spotify Premium through the iOS app

I do use Libby extensively, but it is important to note that most of the time, it is not a comparable service - you do give up quite a bit to have it be free. In my experience, if you want to listen to something, you need to wait weeks or even months depending on the book and catalog (and I have 3 libraries with separate catalogs connected!) and then if you can't finish it in two weeks, which can be challenge, especially if your book is 30-40 hours like the ones I listen too, you have to stop in the middle and start waiting again! I love it, but to many not having to wait is more than worth the money. Also books you want to listen to might not be in the catalog at all, which I've also experienced.

@@bengardner8639not to mention the audible originals that will never be on Libby. The same book may eventually appear there, but it’ll be years later after the exclusivity deal, and it usually requires the publisher to re-record a new version of the audiobook, and it tends not to be as good as the original.

@@bengardner8639 As someone who works in a library, just wanted to add to this that the waits are so long because libraries get gouged per-use for those audiobooks and a lot of libraries are underfunded so they can only afford to offer a few digital 'copies' for large communities. The more popular books get reeeaally long waits, and we have to be strategic about what we add to the catalog at all. All that to say, keep advocating for libraries! They're awesome, but they could be so much more awesome if they were well funded.

@@bengardner8639 are these public libraries with their own services? And you have to wait for the book as if it were loaned out irl in the old days? Why do they make you wait for digital products? That doesn't seem to make any sense. Is it a competition thing? So that people have a reason to get something like audible?

@@bengardner8639i also use libby and absolutely love it! It is a digital library so my expectations were already aligned with the experience of needing to wait for more popular titles and perhaps having the wait again to finish a book or audiobook. That is why i love he “available now” filter while i wait for the more popular titles to get of hold like the disc world series.

😂 lol thanks

I don’t think this is a nitpick because it brings up a HUGE selling point of android phones for me. You don’t actually need to use google play store for 100 percent of the apps of your phone the same way ios has it. There are a lot of app store platforms that are unrelated to veither party and i can still use them !

This is good clarification, for example my Kindle has the (dreadful) amazon app store and my samsung phone has the galaxy store and google play.

People are hard at work designing a google-free ecosystem for Android. F-droid is a good start. It's an alternative app repo. You can always install an app via an .apk file. I donno if Apple would allow anything like that.

@@ucantSQ i was going to mention the .apk files! i've only used them like twice, but it's so nice to have the option :)

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I might give it a go. Hank's not infallible, but I trust him to tell us if he finds out something sketchy. And I could seriously use an app that tracks my subscriptions

I'm glad folks have a tool that will help you save money, let me start with that. It is *wild* to me that people have subscription services they've forgotten about? I know what my subs are l, and they're well within my financial tolerance and for things I actually use. It seems odd to me that folks don't watch their money, and companies like Rocket Money can be profitable.

I used Rocket Money for a year, but cancelled after they charged me a $35 fee they were not upfront about in their marketing or TOS. They reversed the charge after I requested a refund, but I'd steer clear

i've actually used it cuz i have adhd and forget what i subscribe to thinking oh it's less than 20 bucks it will be fine lol ya but those add up annnyway i used it for a bit to get my money under control and it worked it found all the subscriptions i forgot about and i was able to get rid of a lot of them.

Why do you all use IPhone's... It makes no sense

Unfettered capitalism doing what it does.

@@jrisner6535…. Cuz I’m stupid and I’d probably find some way to download a virus if I was on an android…

@@jrisner6535Had to have one for work years ago and everything is in the stupid apple ecosystem now

@jrisner6535 At the time the iPhone was the smallest phone available. I would like for the thing to actually fit in my pocket after all. Also my hands really aren’t that large. This trend of phones in general getting larger and larger needs to stop.

His contact pic with the Zam was a nice touch

I have no idea who that is

@@malachiatkinson7245 but he's been here the whole time!

​@@malachiatkinson7245You're missing out

​@@malachiatkinson7245try game changer shorts, then you'll feel like you know him😂

True! Yt premium in India is sub $2

Unless you are in UK, then you get charged more than US for most things!

Hate to see very useful apps charging a whole monthly wage for a year subscription cause they don’t adapt regionally, i always remember the game dev that charged only 30% of the American price in Brazil and it turned out to be 60% of the income cause we have a super powerful word of mouth and praise for thoughtful companies

With FTC banning non-compete, it looks that much worse that Google and Apple are allowed to get away with banning any language that mentions more competitive pricing online.

that's basically what happened between Epic and Apple, they removed Fortnite because Epic added a payment option that circumventeded Apple's payment processing fee

Common Apple L

The extra 30% sucks, but at least it’s really easy to cancel subscriptions. Just a single click and no chances for the service to trick you into staying on.

​@TonysopranoyafinookThey do not tell you to use another method to subscribe.

Yeah, subscribing to a Twitch streamer via the website is $5/month, but it’s $6/month via the iOS app. I don’t believe you can use a Twitch Prime sub on the app either.

I kept thinking it was so weird that Twitch subscriptions used to be $5, but now were $6. Now I know why...

@@LuxMage64well I guess I’ll resub on the computer🫠

Or bits! Its crazy more expensive

*On an iPhone. If you have an Android you're paying the normal price, it's only Apple devices that take an extra cut

I believe they actually allow you to buy from the app (on Android) if you install the app directly from the Amazon App Store.

They actually lost a bunch of ebook sales from me because I never use Amazon on my laptop. I just assumed the book wasn’t available and didn’t care enough to investigate

They do the same thing with Amazon Prime in Asia. You can't purchase a subscription via Google Pay. It's the only streaming service in the Philippines that you can't pay for with Google Pay

Yes, they used to do so until Google prohibited them. To be fair, it was in retaliation for Amazon refusing to sell Chromecasts on Amazon, among other things. It really is that dumb.

Yep. Comixology (the leading app for digital comics) used to allow in app purchases until it was bought by Amazon and it switched to website only purchases immediately (Comixology was later killed by Amazon so they could force people to use Kindle instead)

HANKSHEETING

+++ ok everyone we've found the term

30% is unhinged, Hank is perfectly hinged. 💢

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I'm a poor boy from Kansas w no subscriptions watching this and even I'm getting mad for these customers.

moments like this where i remember this man is a CEO lmao

im also a poor boy from kentucky why is he using audible when libby exists and is free through your local public library

⁠@@chesspiece4257because many of the audio books are not readily available and must be put on hold. Also, the selection of the audio books are much smaller. Plus he makes enough money to be able to afford it easily.

Hank fortunately uses his powers for good but yeah he does live on a different tier than most of us. That's fine in my opinion but it is something to know. Plus his cost of living in Montana is quite low

Is there somewhere I can look for Dropout discount codes? Like a newsletter or something?

@@kashiichan You don't need a discount code, if you go to the website right now there's a 20% off your first year offer right there for the taking. It's the exact same discount amount that GourmetBurrito is referring to that they did a "pay us less" video about a while back. I think they just kept it permanently because they realized it incentivized people to sign up on the website. (I guess Hank missed that because they didn't discount the monthly subs.)

@@kashiichanright now theyre doing 20% off the yearly subscription, which makes it $4 a month in the long run. that's automatically applied when you go on the website i think

I just checked the website and it seems they have 20% of the first year without a code. Personally, I just bought a single month first before going for a full annual subscription, seemed safe, and I don't regret it. The stuff you downloaded even stays available after your subscription ends, so with a big enough sd card you could download multiple seasons of d20 and watch them after the test subscription ended.

@@kashiichan yeah they have a newsletter that you can find if you google dropout newsletter. At the very least, you can get 20% off the first year subbing from their website if they dont have any other promo going right now

Most of those subs are a ripoff, to be honest.

Hank's money is clean but his phone is filthy

especially in this day and age where I feel like phones have more storage than i could ever possibly use!

@@dead-raccoonNot if you take tons of photos and store them locally on your phone. Especially if you are a parent (like Hank), who usually take tons of photos/videos of their children.

This is as much of a bizarre twist as Hank opening up the soap shop last year.

EXACTLY!!

😂😂😂👍👍👍

Basically, YT is passing along the cost of Apple’s in-app purchasing fees. That’s literally the only reason they charge more to apple devices. And guess what a lot of people happen to have as a mobile device? It’s not the “mobile” that’s the problem. It’s Apple.

It is likely because apple is taking a cut of the profits for the subscription so to make the 13.99 a month they have to sell it at 18.99 on ios they take 30% of all iOS app transactions. So $5.70(rounded up). KZfaq receives 13.30

Apple users are easy marks

eminem has nothin on hank

"But this made me think about a thing that I've always wanted to make a video about that I I've never made a video about" goes pretty goddamn hard.

Im watching this on 1.5x speed lmao

Watching at *2, sometimes I wish *4 speed was an option.

0:21

Yup. Laws are only as good as the funding for enforcement (and actual enforcement). Apple disappointed me when my laptop was stolen (with all my music), and Apple hadn't allowed cloud storage (claiming copyright bs) and wanted me to buy everything over again.... No more 🍎 products for me

We can thank the lobbyists for that. That can get away with it because lobbying is considered protected by the first amendment. The US needs to realize that if a company is considered a person they need to be held legally accountable, fines are not real punishment when the scale of the crime turns a fine intp just another cost of doing business. Especially when the fines are passed on to the customer as increased pricing.

The only thing I’m willing to subscribe to (other than patrons for creators I love when I can afford it)!

Dropout is by far the best subscription service. Just finished Fantasy High: Junior Year yesterday and I haven't emotionally recovered.

Agreed! If you’re on the fence, look up Harland Spinks’ video on Dropout, and why it’s so important to support creators independently from the platforms.

100% it's the only thing I'm subscribed to, totally worth it. Just finished fantasy high

100% this!!! Dropout is awesome comedy for awesome people!

Yup.

Iphone users will go into debt before someone calls them broke

The *only* reason people like it (well, people with functioning brains) is the privacy it has, I don’t know the exact details but I know that apple is pretty secure in that respect

The only reason people think it's secure is because, at first, no one really used Apple devices back in the day. So the idea was they were safer simply because it wasn't useful for most to try and do anything to it. Windows and Android were more prevalent, so the work to mess with it went further. Once that started becoming a surface level thing normies would say without context, Apple latched on. Now adays, it's about the same but actually kinda worse. Cause now not only does iOS have a fantastically large and relatively uninformed consumer base to attack, but their systems collect so much useful information about a target that it's just bursting with potential attack vectors and rewards. The other side is the framing of anticompetitive practices as security benefits. If I ban you from buying a machete for yard work, I could say it's because their dangerous, and I'm protecting you. You would rightfully see holes in that argument. The same goes for a large amount of the things Apple does in the name of security.

When Apple first made the iPhone it was the coolest phone out there and for years it was the best phone. Other phones were good but iPhone was great. That's not the case anymore but the superiority complex hasn't gone away.

I wonder if it's possible to do it using the desktop version of the website on your phone? I have an android OS, and I can choose to view the desktop version of a website when I'm in the internet browser, instead of the automatic redirect some site have to the corresponding app. Still inconvenient, but then you don't need a separate device.

You could get free access to a computer at the library.

​@@emilywatchesmoviesonly where libraries are free, which is not everywhere in the world - but then again, the majority of people where I live (and where libraries cost a subscription fee) use android anyway...

@@AstridLys Fair and that's unfortunate.

@@AstridLys You have to pay to use the library? I truly didn't realize that was a thing anywhere. I mean, we have private libraries here that I'm sure involve a fee... but I truly thought that most countries had free public libraries.

What we just got a cat a named her Hestia too! That is awesome! Okay now to see if she likes Hank!

@@ddutton0 that's so sweet! I named her after the Hellenic goddess of hearth, home, and sanctuary. Traditionally, it was non-negotiable, whether you followed any other deities or not, to have all offerings go to her first, and for her to be established as a household deity. Older sister of Zeus - she is a Titan, and not an Olympian. (: (I'm Hellenic pagan among other things) - I named her Hestia bc the goddess is already queen of the house, so it's only fitting the other queen of the house (my cat) shares her name 😊

😂😂😂😂 it's going to be a lot of it in the future 😂😂

Android also charges 30% they just make anti-competitive deals with big companies like Spotify and Amazon to essentially collude against Apple.

Let me guess..a charter school?

I get you. It's like watching Kermit the Frog rant about taxes or something, arm flails and all. It's so funny and charming. There's anger but it's not ANGRY.

Not “angry” but “hankry” lol😂

truly they are the only streaming service that I want to have my money

​@@garbomode29You know Dropout is good when the paying customers happily shill for the service. I've never seen any other subscription where users actively promote it.

Its usually not convinience. But avoiding the added inconvenience that never used to be there.

​@@dominicparker6124 potato potato. gardening in an apartment is hard due to an added inconvenience that never used to be there. doesnt make grocery stores any less "paying for convenience"

Eh, for me it's rent ;)

( time stamp of 2:30 for all those curious)

consume entertain consume repeat

where do you live? europe?

Yes, generally big companies have localized pricing relative to the cost of living in the country you are in.

Yeah that’s why Hank asked the person where they lived

omg wait where do you live? I also have to find out if you can sign up for something under a different location with a VPN lol

@@cutiepeel you can, in some places. A lot of services force you to use the local currency, and often you can't use foreign credit cards.

Just commented about this 😄 It's odd, though, because I have android and it behaves the exact same way as you describe. Also, I can't buy books from my kindle paperwhite device anymore, either.