He hasn't stopped doing the literal thing he made a legal claim others did do him. It's not even funny how literally basic NOT to do that on KZfaq right after a case. It's so hilariously bad, I can't imagine him thinking only 2 moves ahead

"you know" ? .."you know" !! ... "you know" ? ..."you know" !! ... "you know" ? ..."you know" !! ... "you know" ? ..."you know" !! ... etc.

@@spasegeek9214 Hans is actually a better chess player than Magnus when none of them cheat.

For once I agreed with him. Partially.

Nah, go and watch the video Botez did on him in full - it was pretty fair. Dude's just salty, and an admitted/caught cheater with a fake accent.

What was his point? That content creators look for content, and that people have opinions, and that he doesn't like those things so he needs to try to convince people (including himself) that those things are objectively and inherently bad.

@@MuseseekerManHe's a cheater (and a liar) and they're hypocrites. FWIW, since Hans is a known liar, the Botez's did admit that they tried to message him to collaborate, so apparently it is true.

@@EGarrett01 I don't understand what FWIW means, and why The Botez sisters are hypocrites?

i'm not a fan of Niemann too but seeing this vid i kinda like him

100%. Content creators say and do things like this for content, drama is a good strategy because it sells. However, it IS two faced and he's right about that.

Don't hate the player, hate the game

​@@Nickbraun666 That doesn't apply in this situation. I don't mind the game, but I sure as hell can dislike certain actions and the way they're playing it.

@@ripto9005 Same feeling here.

That guy is worst, he puts political stuff

​@@miquebtslink to what kind of video you're referring to?

yes but booring entertainment.

Some people watch chess simply for chess and not screaming, drama, jokes, etc... @@UpperChores

Say hi to his puppy for me when you stop by. Medo! Medo is the best chess pup around!

It is simple. They can grab any size of the balls they actually need ;)

Because they assume Hans is the same; if Hans only wanted views, he would collab with them.

they need to buy lots of cocaine, so they need money

I too wonder how they have the balls

cocaine fueled@@Cyb3r33

If relevance is so important that you'd cheat or try to be friends with a cheater to get it, then something's gone wrong. Either with you or the environment you're in.

I am not sure about Hans Niemann (I am on neither side if he cheated or not), but Botez did some similar stuff in the past so I don't trust them very much

@@EGarrett01 as long as he's not proven guilty your argument is based off of a guess.

@@UpperChoresNeimann has confessed to cheating multiple times and been found to have cheated over 100x. You fucking idiot.

Wait when weren’t they friends? He was relevant when they weren’t pretending to be friends. I’m confused.

What is the cease and desist incident ?

What's that

Seasoned Assist

She apologized publicly and made it abundantly clear that she was apologizing. Happened after the private message.

She obviously did apologize publicly, how would you even know about it if she didnt?

Levy was kinda honest about milking. Hikaru wasn't though.

So you believe it wasn't the fact that he cheated that ruined his reputation but rather the fact that people talked about it?

@@ottomanstamper7609 in fact it is, the whole Magnus incident was a fokin farce

@@nick1752 "in fact it is" what are you talking about? Do you mean that cheating is fine as long as no body tyalks about it? Please explain.

@@ottomanstamper7609 1) he didn't cheat otb 2) he did cheat online while was a kid > "as fine as nobody talks about it" keep in mind, that this exact scheme worked for a large amount of GMs. yet suddenly Hans is The Only One, because yts talked about him.

Very true.

I would extend it and specify mainly "how (most) 21st century girls really are"

@@omidebrahimi9478 Or, to be more accurate, how they are perceived by socially inadequate involuntarily celibate men.

@@omidebrahimi9478 incel statement that

Lol where is this great maturity?

haha good point :D

No he is like a teddy bear. Garry Kasparov is the real Chess villain.

​@@DerZeppterdesAldithe Garry and soon the Magdalena Carlo

He’s more like a grey character. You never really know.

Hans is ... the black knight

Content creators trying to create content? If that's the case, I have shocking news to share with you about streaming platforms...

​@odysseas573 No, please, I can't take it 😢 But seriously, my criticism of the botez sisters is that they prioritise financial gain and clout over authenticity, letting their greed come before the wellbeing of others. I really didn't like when they took the sponsorship from the crypto scam, that shit really ruins people's lives, I really think you have to be so spineless and morally bankrupt to promote that to your own audience. Similarly, their defence of slavery in Dubai showed a worrying lack of empathy, they'll really take money from anyone and say whatever makes them the most money. And what Hans is talking about is more of the same pattern of behaviour, where they'll pretend to be friends with someone when it's financially beneficial, but never actually care about anyone but themselves. Maybe you think I'm being too harsh, but I really can't stand people that have so much in life but still want more at others' expense.

@@odysseas573simp

​@@odysseas573can you stop justifying an entire professional class pretending they are exempt from basic morals? Like wtf is wrong with you

are you one of those simps? paying onlyfans subs etc?@@odysseas573

actually feel for the guy here. shows he was pretty hurt by that whole debacle.

If you don't want people to think you're a cheater then maybe don't cheat at chess. Hans admitted to cheating, he made his own reputation, live with it.

​@@SpyderRacing100% facts.

By posting reaction videos about anything relating to the chess scandal, he is doing exactly what all the other content creators have been doing: profiting off of the chess scandal by using it as content. Hans is being a hypocrite, and a sourpuss.

He has zero self respect. You cannot lower yourself more than by cheating. The lowest of the low.

@@MuseseekerMan Difference is, the man had already lost his name and his reputation for said scandal. I dont think its fair to compare them equally to someone who profit from this like Hikaru, Levy & Botez.

2000 rated players are not in a position to be able to know whether legit 2700 chess is being played or not. Ive been playing for 1.5 years and im way closer to their rating than they are to Hans

@@ryand6150I’m not a helicopter pilot. But I know that someone messed up if I see a helicopter wreck up in a tree. You have a fallacious argument.

​@@Jbb7272 I would say that your argument is quite nonsensical....any human being on earth would see a crashed helicopter and instantly recognize that something was wrong... whereas the vast majority of people on earth cannot truly understand top GM level chess without commentators explanation or analysis. Would you recognize an incorrect incision during an open heart surgery? What about a malfunction on a rocket going to space (trajectory off by 1 degree for example)? Even other GM's were unsure about whether Magnus' suspicions were correct.

@@davidjames149 I’m not saying these things as fans of Botez or Neiman. I’m not fans of either. But I’m not sure I understand your questions. If the person was dead or the rocket blew up… of course I’d know. To be fair to what I think the spirit of your question is “in the moment”? I don’t think so. True. Even GMs weren’t sure. However, Andrea is an “Expert” level chess player, technically (1995 is her peak rating. She’s 5 points shy of being Expert). Alex is a titled player. AND not to mention all the other GMs who’ve implied foul play, up to Carlson, Nakamura, Hansen and more. I think the claim that the Botez can’t analyze a 2700 game, especially with the use of engines, is a bold one. That’s all. It doesn’t really take any expert to see: “WOW the greatest streak of chess accuracy put up to a computer in history is 70%… and now this one guy is putting up 95% accuracy!” I don’t see why it’s crazy to at least question that.

​@@Jbb7272 yeah if you are reasonable and not assuming death in the hypothetical situation... "in the moment" as an untrained individual spectating a heart surgery, you wouldn't have a single clue if an incision was made in the incorrect place. If a rocket flew towards space and parts started dropping off it, you would not necessarily know if that's part of the launch procedure, or an absolute catastrophe. My point is that for high level stuff (including GM chess) that requires years of learning, the vast majority of us are simply not in a position to recognize what is correct play or procedure and what is not. Which is why the argument of a helicopter crashing doesn't really work in my opinion, as it does NOT take an expert to see that that is a major issue. A 3 year old would see a helicopter in a tree and recognize that's not where it belongs. A 3 year old is not able to recognize cheating in a GM game of chess though are they? Not sure what you mean when you said "WOW the great streak of chess accuracy put up tho a computer in history is 70%..." It is not at all uncommon for GM games to be played at >90% accuracy, I saw multiple games in the recent Julius Baer cup that were played at nearly 100% accuracy. I don't think that's the point of the whole thing. I think it was the fact that Hans had not been playing well prior to the tournament and then absolutely destroyed Magnus (world number 1) in a DOMINANT fashion and with the black pieces which was suspicious, and then he didn't explain the moves.

That would be fair if he'd be coaching them, but for stream content he should be the one paying them, since I believe they have a much larger viewerbase.

@@lucasvanwijngaarden670DELUSIONAL why would he have to pay to be on their stream when he doesn't even wanna associate with them

They are doing it for money and they should pay those they use to make money.

they are just average hoes who would do onlyfans if there were not chess players accepting to play with their average female asses. @@lucasvanwijngaarden670

@@lucasvanwijngaarden670 if they are asking him to come, they are paying

he literally has been caught cheating over 100 times already and admitted to cheating... Not like they're slandering him. Once a cheater, always a cheater. Just because he hasn't been caught recently means nothing.

@@justsomeguywithagoatee8337 cheaters cant spit fax???

He said jokingly that he would go through every reaction by Hikaru and react to it, but I think it's only a matter of time

Talking without lawyer is a mistake guilty or not

He already has now?

Why the hell would he do that? lol, sure it’s what the people want but it’s better to let people assume

@@lovaboy0076 Sooo... Its better for Hans (presuming he never cheated, which he says) to let people assume what they want? Even if most people feel on the fence about it (at best).

Could you link me to all the details then?

Just like they're right about him being a cheater.

@@HaloLvl43Legit the bead thing was literally just a theory made by 1 person that spread and turned into "truth" even if he found a way to cheat (thats really unlikely) he is a very good player and was just finding the right ideas

@@8wyj he literally has been caught cheating over 100 times already and admitted to cheating... Not like they're slandering him. Once a cheater, always a cheater. Just because he hasn't been caught recently means nothing.

@@justsomeguywithagoatee8337 alr then tell us how he cheated irl bro because that's literally 90% of the controversy, is there anything you believe, or are you just going off what other people say?

So youre saying that they are just behaving like most girls would.

populists

Yeah I agree with Bueno. They are just girls.

Typical Attention seeker

They're not good chess players or mature people. They can only say things they've heard elsewhere, or things that are questionable. That's it.

There is a Qg5 move, and if you go f6, booom, Queen sac Qg7 winning a pawn

nice spot@@imelnyk5210 , thanks! but we have a problem after ...h6 and if then Nb3, there is ...Qf2, and two pieces are hanging.

@@imelnyk5210 Ohh nice find, that seems to save Hans' position. I first thought Qb5 to get out of there but then I saw the queen does not reach there. Maybe Hans missed Qg5 and thought he was lost?

@@michelklaasen I guess he might have been distracted by this speech about sisters.. Or there might be complications with my decision.. Perhaps .. h6 in that case Nb3 perhaps?

​@@imelnyk5210 after Qg5 it's just exNd4 and you lose the game. The Knight is just lost whatever move you play.

Well said. He literally has been caught cheating over 100 times already and admitted to cheating... Once a cheater, always a cheater. Just because he hasn't been caught recently means nothing. Once you've been caught once you have to accept your reputation will never be clean again.

why ?

@@DiotraxSecondlives Because it gives an insight into a gap between how some people perceive themselves and what their behaviour indicates about them.

Beside the point. He was criticized for his comment and was explaining himself. It only matters if the Botez sisters did what he said, and if they did his opinion is justified. It's amazing how Hans haters will find every possible way to dump on him, without thought. Personally, I don't like him much, but that's also beside the point.

@@bluefin.64 You're part of the pro-cheat lobby then. OK. It's interesting to see your sort try to deflect attention from Niemann's hypocrisy as well as his history of cheating. Lie with dogs and rise with fleas.

@@terryboland3816 What in his behavior makes you think he lacks integrity ?

Who cares if he cheats it's a stupid nerd game

Who said they were friends? I thought they just wanted him on their show! Being in any type of job is about being reasonable with those you don't get along with. This means putting aside enmity in preference to your own success. This has been the age old pattern of work since before any of us were born. No one EVER gets along with everyone. But those that can't figure out how to get along with others are always going to be at a disadvantage. Expecting that the Botez sisters would not comment on what was going on with him is stupid. That is what they do.. right or wrong, it is their job. He has to grow up here.. when people get butthurt and communicate it all the time, it generates negative sentiment especially if the original accusations look to be true.

@@rbarnes4076Exactly. Piers Morgan thinks he cheated but had Hans on his show. Why didn’t Hans get offended at that and refuse to do it 😂

​@@MrRop-yp3wtlooks at me I can move little toys on a board with squares. Not hard

VVomen 101

@@anab0lic what wank

They owe him jack. The US has a free press. This means people can say things about you even if it is only plausible, not proven. You're dreaming if you think otherwise.

@@rbarnes4076Someone missed the joke. Also, in this land of 'free press' more people get sued for slander than in any other country. Ironic.

@@user-lx1lu8qr7e There's no slander in calling a cheater a cheater.

at least they are not cheating at chess :)

@@arekkrolak6320 And he is?

@@jeffreyknapp945 it's literally been proven multiple times that he cheated online

The Botez sisters are content creators and so is Hans. Their lives revolve around content because that's the business. It's just that Hans doesn't like people profiting off of his misery. But since everybody else is, he might as well do it too. The world of business is a inherently exploitative. And it's hypocritical for Hans as a content creator to accuse them of being leeches because he's in the same business doing the exact same thing.

Hans is a cheat.

more evidence

Cause he doesn’t do the thinking in the chess part

He lost the game

To be fair he lost the first game and hung a piece in the second one

Yes look up “Hans Niemann calls out Botez Sisters”. The video has edits showing how the Botez sisters are contradicting themselves. The easiest example is Andrea said he played a perfect game against Magnus which is false and slanderous because it makes it seem like he must have cheated. The real accuracy of the game was 68% which is completely normal.

pinnacle of irony.

It has never been proven that he cheated.

The only provable thing is that he cheated in a couple online games when he was still a kid. That's it. But everyone involved is extremely self absorbed tbh.

He’s 20, and he went through some tough times. I have no doubt he felt those things.

Shouldn't have cheated tho.

Boo hoo, how could he have possibly predicted that cheating would destroy his reputation?

@@kerravon4159 yeah im sure you were the most brilliant teenager with impeccable foresight in all of human history with a perfect record of not having done any questionable thing ever in your life.

@@Sujay95 That's pretty accurate, you must be psychic.

Beliveing you are capable of being the judge of that is far more narcissistic than anything in this video.

@@randomuruk7230 obviously, to be far more or less something than others is of utter importance.

who could've guessed a cheater would be pissed for being called a cheater?

@@HaloLvl43Legitthey ain’t gonna let you hit bro

See that's your problem there Chuck, there's only 3 kinds of people in this world.......

Hans: getting GM by cheating in chess.

@@HaloLvl43LegitHans: Achieved GM OTB without 1 piece of evidence that he ever cheated OTB, now has to live with his past mistakes every single day. Can you imagine if you were judged on the stupidest stuff you did when a child?

I agree​@@user-lx1lu8qr7e

And can someone acknowledge that they are just random sluts looking for interest?

Tbf he was honest about the fact he cheated as a kid, but said he never had in real competitions. Carlsen accused him based on somewhat dubious suspicion but I don't completely blame him. The Botez sisters and Hikaru both jumped on the bandwagon for no reason like the clout chasers they are though.

Hans is the one clout chassing here trying to stir up drama with much higher profile creators

But they're asking him to play?

​@@memegazer those higher profile creators were talking about him in the first place? They don't create anything unique. It's just gossip. Just talking to the camera and reacting isn't content.

​ @memegazer Those "high profile creators" were once his "friends". He has every right to his reaction and every right to let everyone publicly know where he stands. Times of difficulty always show the true colors of people around you.

Heyya, good to see you on stream today!

@@A73X4ND3R You too!

Hans is the villain the chess world needed.

Sounds like a sample from Avril 14th by Aphex Twin but don’t know the actual track

are you a simp?

If you managed to sue out of it, then it didn't happen?

he literally has been caught cheating over 100 times already and admitted to cheating... Not like they're slandering him. Once a cheater, always a cheater. Just because he hasn't been caught recently means nothing.

@@justsomeguywithagoatee8337 . The pot calling the kettle black. Chesscom made the decision to allow him back. Also, the cheating happened when he was a minor. If he screws up again then he should be banned for good. So far, he seems intent in doing things right.

can you link the videos where we see him cheating?@@justsomeguywithagoatee8337

Yeah, no shit.

Cocky people who literally cheat to achieve normally don't

Yup. Guy is a loser. Can't even do well in a niche game so he cheats lol...

Who needs friends like these?

not being friends with average internet whores is a loss?

Lmao because everyone is crying about him first

Cringelord things.

@@Kbax3614 Everyone cries about cheating

@@Kbax3614 that tends to happen when you cheat and rob others of tournament winnings, ratings and status. Imagine you compete in a game and lose to someone weaker than you because they cheated. I promise you, you'd be upset too. This is some people's job...

What no, Magnus' 125 undefeated streak was ended by Duda, and as we all know, Magnus didn't accuse Duda of cheating. The Niemann case is obviously different, even if Hans didn't cheat

Also Magnus didn´t follow FIDE regulations that state that cheating accusations should be made discretely to FIDE officials, instead of making vague allegations on social media to promote cyber lynching. I lost respect to Magnus after that toxic attitude.

he literally has been caught cheating over 100 times already and admitted to cheating... Later he went on to play moves that make no sense unless you plug them in an engine, couldn't explain why he made the moves he did and has more 90%+ accuracy games in Classical tournaments since 2020 than Calsen (Carlsen had four and Niemann had THIRTY THREE). Once a cheater. Always a cheater.

Exactly my thoughts too. Unless he dominates the chess world I am pretty sure he'll just go (almost)irrelevant after a week or two. right now he maybe spiking in viewership but like any other internet drama when returning their viewers peaks but slowly but surely given how hes burning bridges(to maybe one of the biggest chess content creators)he'll be irrelevant and be known astl the chess cheater.

he literally has been caught cheating over 100 times already and admitted to cheating... Not like they're slandering him. Once a cheater, always a cheater. Just because he hasn't been caught recently means nothing.

@@justsomeguywithagoatee8337really not how that works. A kid cheating doesn’t mean he’ll cheat his whole life lmao

@@justsomeguywithagoatee8337how can someone be so fucking stupid? Holy shit make me a favor stupid low elo idiot and keep your comments to yourself, go back to blunder your queen or something stupid scrub

@@justsomeguywithagoatee8337 are you fucking brain damaged?

@@WastePlace my friend still accuse of me wallhacking in counter strike even though we both stopped playing it 14 years ago. I was just really good I swear

I think he knows it, deep down. It's why he's so angry. He knows he can't earn Hikaru/Magnus status legitimately.

What you said is true but there's still unwritten rules when collaborating, even if you aren't friends. Taking a negative stance or possibly engaging in slander and then asking that person to collab is still a slap in the face.

@@MOH10492 Nothing is proven dude.. nothing. And his story was the biggest chess story in decades. Expecting any chess content creator to not comment is a completely absurd notion on its face. Niemann doesn't understand this fact and it is driving irrational anger on his part. He doesn't have to love them or even like them.. but part of being in a celebrity status is understanding everyone is just doing their job. If he doesn't figure out a way to work with others around things like this to leverage his own celebrity he is cutting his own throat. The best thing he could have done is be magnanimous when it all happened and that is it. I've been working in programming for decades now.. I don't like some people I work with.. but I put that aside in the interest of the bigger picture. That is what mature ADULTS do to get on with things. You'll never love everyone.. but sometimes you need those unliked people to make your own success, this isn't evil or even stupid.. it is just how the world actually works. I hope Niemann learns that at some point..

Content creators? Isn't that the same profession as the prostitutes on onlyfans? I think their professions have exactly the same name.

​@@rbarnes4076 I really like what you said. It's true if success is worth the trouble of working with such people. But maybe for Han (assuming that he didn't cheat) working with unliked people for success would not be worth his peace of mind. Working with people who have a negative perspective of you and act friendly just for content, it would really be humiliating. He would still be able to live a fairly good life even without them so why not just cut them off.

Yet he won’t demonstrate it because it doesn’t exist. They played a middle line when the accusations happened.

There's a valid reason for why he's switching up

@@tatrotzz3643 because he's a cheating loser and Andrea doesn't want to date a beta male and just use him for chess content?

That was before the drama