Tennant's mum had just died prior to shooting and David put his whole being into this episode, hence his level, serious performance. Your issues with the episode seem to be that the contrasting personalities seem to indicate that the characters are unique, each with an entirely different outlook and a different way of expressing, and that the robots look like angels. And that The Doctor turned Astrid Perth (walking the path) into a Christmas Star. Are you okay, mate?

@RulerofKev-vania You REALLY ought to watch '63-'89 and then pop Whittaker back on and see that her run is great and true Doctor Who.

Don't forget. She's BLONDE, his favourite!

Graham: Allow me to introduce myself

@@unknownuser8967 OOH SHE WAS A BLONDE?

@@user-jn1wm3tb8v we're at the end of the universe, at the end of knowledge itself, and you're busy... _BLOGGING_

@@unknownuser8967 I thought his favorite was ginger 😀

Yeah it kind of gives me Romeo and Juliet vibes🤷‍♀️

I mean before the trip she'd put them both into crippling financial debt, they had a traumatic experience and then she lost the one person who'd always stuck with her. And then she sacrificed herself to save the others as she saw no point in living anymore but wanted to help the others survive. Honestly a heartbreaking and selfless moment from her.

I feel it was more of a suicide than a sacrifice. Had she not done it, literally nothing would've changed.

Yes exactly, it wat out o no where or pointless

Yup, even lady ducking christina

So sad that he can't Safe her😕😔😢

And also, we can all agree that the rich douchbag from this episode is a total dick.

It's also the only way to escape the humongous debt lol

Yeah but there was no reason for the character to die. She could’ve literally just shoved the angel off the edge, there was no reason for her to jump

@@Second_of_four The OP literally gave the reasons why she jumped. After everything she's been through in a very short timespan (seeing multiple people die horrifically including her own husband), she's no longer concerned with her own survival and was able to combine her suicide with taking out an enemy. It's honestly as simple as that.

@@overlydramaticpanda I’m not saying the person had no reason, I’m saying from a writing perspective, there was no reason to kill her off, and because everything happened so quickly, it felt very rushed and pointless. Her dying accomplished nothing for the plot, so from a writing perspective, she died for no reason

@@Second_of_four From a writing perspective, the reasons she died were (1) so that there wouldn't be too many extra characters needing to be wrapped up at the end, considering the show runs to a very strict time limit; (2) the entire episode is a pastiche/homage of disaster movies, a defining factor of which is "dwindling casts" (i.e. characters being killed off one by one, often with an "anyone can die" mentality to keep audiences on their toes); (3) it's a sadly natural and logical ending for her character far more than keeping her around; (4) it, combined with the deaths of Foon and Banakaffalatta, ramps up the general feeling of tragedy going into the third act which in turn keeps the viewer prepared for Astrid's death. I'd agree that it was rushed and that there ideally should have been more time between the three deaths in the second act but considering both Slade and Mr Copper were the most sensible characters to keep alive from a writing standpoint (Slade because it shows that sometimes it's not the people you necessarily want to live who survive and Mr Copper because he actually has things to live for and it lends a note of optimism to the finale and both of them were by far the quickest to wrap up their individual plotlines), it makes perfect sense for her to die and to die in that way.

I love how one of his character traits was eating food across both shows 😂

Thats why I recognise him. Cheers man 👍

I know, the sheer audacity 🙄

😂😂😂😂

" Oh ? You've redecorated... I don't like it. "

But....but....he kissed Astrid! And the villain was campy! Episode ruined!!

His opinion appears to be a bit formulated, like it was from another person’s mouth…

Dude complained that Astrid sounds Australian even though she's an alien...... The main character is an alien and yet he always has some variation of a british or Scottish accent

I'm only partway through, but I was thinking, oh, maybe he means "disaster" because Titanic--he really seems to like this episode. I didn't like this episode, but I'd have to rewatch it to tell you why.

I really enjoyed it too. It’s always at the top of my list when I’m looking for episodes to rewatch.

Bannakaffalatta

Slade should had been killed off.

@@danielwilliamson6180 I think Slade surviving is part of why this episode is good, it shows how the Doctor can't choose who survives and if he could then he wouldn't be worthy of being "the Doctor".

@@TheseUseless CYBORG

Awwww, I didn't know that. He was the star of one of my fave old British sitcoms. Sad.

I think he had also been in classic who so this episode was more of a nice cameo

May he rest in peace.

Removing Christmas specials wasn't Chib's idea you cam blame the BBC for that

I really liked them too! Their deaths were the only moments that brought me to tears

He was Duke on Tracy beaker

​@@mjsdecember1990 That's what made his death so painful...

@@mjsdecember1990 I wonder if Morvin liked Soufflés.

@@xenon8117 I didn't watch it alot but maybe he did You look alot like Garrus Vakarian by the way

Definitely the best RTD Special

@@DCSMedia wow you have to do end of time and waters of mars like that

@@rometais7178 end of time is nowhere near the best RTD special.

@@rometais7178 waters of Mars isn't a Christmas special

@@TheMarioAdams i was replying to the second person who just said “special”

you got fooled by the title, disastrous as in the theme of the episode, a disaster on a space titanic, not that the episode was bad

@@samuelbastable2028 Yeah I realise that now

@@samuelbastable2028 Yeah but the thumbnail suggesting it was a "waste of a special" is just stupid. It was a fantastic story and the perfect Christmas blockbuster episode.

@The Knight Watcher you've literally listed all the best stuff about the era

@The Knight Watcher what’s sad is how different the RTD era would’ve been had he aired Midnight in an earlier season. Or give the Doctor a better death than the David Tennant’s farewell parade of death. I mean that made him look like a wuss compared to the 4th and 5th Doctor’s death. And why didn’t they kill off any of the companions? Like imagine Donna actually sacrificed herself to save reality, and you see the Doctor tell Wilf about Donna being a hero. And because he was a soldier, he’s proud of his granddaughter while Donna’s mother looks at him in resentment, blaming him for the Donna’s death. And or have journey’s end be the actual regeneration episode.

Yeah imo if you can suspend your disbelief at everyone having a british/american accent, 1 australian accent shouldn't be that hard tbh

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To quote the ninth Doctor "lots of planets have a north."

Indeed, and this is even basically explained in series 4, as in Pompeii, the Tardis turns Donna speaking Latin badly into her speaking Celtic with a Welsh accent to Latin ears - also in the Unicorn and the Wasp she's not to imitate older posher English, presumably because the Tardis will translate the imitation. Likewise with Rose trying to sound Scottish in series 2. My point is that Astrid may well be from the part of Sto that is best understood to 2000s English speakers as the Stovian equivalent of Australia

Lots of planets have a North!!!!!!! And a death continent

I really liked it. Mind you, that could be sentiment talking...

It stands to reason that if there is intelligent life out there they would have British accents

I know right ! it's just hypocrisy

Thank you! My thoughts exactly!

Especially since we hear a northern accent Welsh accent Scottish and American. So it's not like the Tardis only translates into an English accent

rfgrfgrrggrfg chris....

Am I the only one who doesn't care? Sorry, it's just most of them weren't very good

it feels like the death of the #family' vibe i remember. my family always used to sit around and watch it after christmas dinner, and we did that all through 12 too. We're not going to do that on New Year's we'll all just watch it by ourselves months later and text each other about it.

You know there's a new one coming out called "Revolution of the Daleks," right?

@@griffinlaw9367 Not a Christmas special

this is fact.

Yeah, I kinda don't know how he didn't understand that

Not everyone knows that tbf ​@@richardmillhousenixon

That's the only part of the episode I ever found too cheesy, but I don't hate it.

10's speech is indeed iconic. But in context it comes off as hideously corny, arrogant and unwarranted. Those damn explosions in the background don't help.

Cheese is what doctor who is all about. 11 said himself that he has a degree in cheese making

Also Astrid's and Bannakaffalatta's deaths are still on saddest death lists. I always liked it.

How?

@@1Gidget he founded the Mr Copper Foundation, the software that Harriet’s subwave network relied on to operate. without him, every atom of matter in the universe would be reduced to dust

That theory doesn’t account for how the company almost crashed completely with the payouts it made to the families of the deceased. Again, as with most conspiracies, it hinges on the refusal to accept multiple factors leading to a dramatic conclusion. Ugh.

I've never made that connection, that's a really cool detail

I really was sitting there cheering when I heard "Mr Copper Foundation" in Stolen Earth!

because white people relate to white monuments and white cities like London. would you be able to relate to jaipur?

@@esecallum Well I am no expert, but Im at least 60% sure white people do exist outside of london

@@putridmoldyman306 no. london is well known. no one has heard of ryden or nottingham

@@esecallum Or the little known countries "America" and "Canada"

@@putridmoldyman306 america is in every movie. caanada is DULL.

May have fudged the schedule a bit to make it that way haha

And captain Jack sounding American and 12 sounding Scottish so you can't even say the Tardis translates everything into English. I prefer an Australian using her accent to her faking it bc aliens have to sound English?

@@stephjovi That can be explained by the fact that the TARDIS doesn't translate if you are already talking in English, even if you aren't talking in British English

Exactly

Did you know the guy who played Mr Copper died last year as well?

@@conzchannel5087 whatttt no

@Tristan Lane Hahahaha Ya I guess she's big enough in the UK. to command a sizable paycheck.

agreed!

Obviously this kid has NO idea of the back catalogue of KYLIE the Princess of Pop. A Global superstar who happens to have a home in London not just Melbourne. KYLIE has been active since the mid 80s. She is an actress and starred in a tv soap in OZ called Neighbours. The woman is multiaward winning and her first global hit was a cover of Locomotion in 88. She was a gay rights icon 20 years before it was expected/demanded. Perhaps a little respect do. Fever got attention back inside the USA in 2000 but she had never left. There is long history our host would do well to research.

*bing* Information

@@79lerxst I read that in their voice too 😭

@@LexiTheLeo I'm sorry love..meant no offense lol.. A few years back,I I edited that as my email ringtone,so everytime my email went of...well...u know the rest

Bing Information, you are all going to die

@@maldon3659 thank you..

Literally when I saw this for the first time and realised it was Duke from Tracy Beaker my jaw dropped

Best reference ever!

I thought she was great too!

Same. Never been a fan never had a problem with her either. She started out as an actress I don't get the criticism

It’s been on my Christmas playlist for years.

I will always remember my dads response of “ok then” (with the air of yep he’s the leader) after the “I’m the Doctor...” speech.

too bad two of them cant because they are dead

Nope I think Harbo seems like the only one who hated her. She was an actress before she was a singer. I'm not a fan I have no idea how much acting she's doing these days or rather those days but I liked her very much in the special.

@@stephjovi indeed, and same here.. I've never seen her in anything else and I only ever liked one of her songs, that being Wild Rose by her and Nick Cave... but I though she was great in this episode.

@@atomicvinylreviews3420 oh yeah that's a fantastic song! I don't see any bad acting on her part so it really feels like a genuine hate because he dislikes her music. But if you hate her music why adding the part that's gonna be stuck in our heads if like it or not 😫.

@@stephjovi I know right, though to me it just sounded like he doesn't like Australians haha

*DO NOT BLASPHEME! DO NOT BLASPHEME!*

indeed we do :)

You guys made Rupert Murdoch!

@@thatssofetch3481 no his mum and dad did that... don't throw the rest of the country under that bus

No it’s that it stands out from everyone else. But we do have less COVID cases then Britain.

No one with good taste hates it 😉

@@RobertShippey I wouldn't say that but I enjoyed it. I'm not going to insult people who didn't

Yeah he did, he also popped his clocks last year so I guess he got his comeuppance.

*M E T A L*

Maybe Kylie kicked him in the knee when he was a kid 🤷‍♂️