Why the MoFi SourcePoint 888 Could Be Your Last Speaker Purchase
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0:00 - Intro / Subjective
4:11 - Top 3?
9:14 - Objective Data
13:42 - Summary
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@ErinsAudioCorner 19 күн бұрын
This is my top recommendation for a speaker in the $5k/pair budget range. It checks every box I would want checked. Works well for both stereo and home theater (with having great directivity and compression and distortion metrics) and looks great to me. No-brainer buy if you're on the fence. And if you do go through with purchasing these online, I have included the affiliate link below which earns me a small commission at no additional cost to you. howl.me/cmAQVKU2D3Z And if you need a center channel option, check out the open-box SourcePoint 8 or 10 that come in singles (rather than pairs) from Crutchfield: howl.me/cmDhKdtyTTc ^ link to search because specific open box items may sell out and break link
@wegardfjeld3789 18 күн бұрын
Could you try to or have you? To test the Buchardt A700 and compare. I know it's not exactly the same price point, but add the extras and it's potentially equal. Curious how the active speaker holds up vs a quality component setup with good full Rangers like this
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
I reviewed that one. I’d take this speaker for the same reasons I mentioned.
@wegardfjeld3789 18 күн бұрын
Hey Erin. Could you compare this to the Qualio IO and Buchardt A700. That should be a cool matchup at this price pov. Yeah you might do a bit by bit, but the overall impression is good enough for me. Currently I think the biggest banger for the bucks is Qualio.
@wegardfjeld3789 18 күн бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner thanks for the reply 🙏. Was supposed to be with the other comment as well. I expected it to outperform the buchs based on your reasoning. I'm kinda thinking Qualio IO standard setup will outperform both on many aspects though
@dksculpture 18 күн бұрын
Not especially sensitive or easy to drive is the biggest negative.
@johnd5542 18 күн бұрын
You shouldnt have to worry about making money from your labor. There is a big difference in shilling subpar products for the highest bidder vs testing, reviewing, and then recommending great products at different price points. Whomever has a problem with you making money from your wealth of knowledge, expensive testing equipment, labor and videos.....is a fn_____! These kind of honest reviews have saved people a ton of money, helps us all get the best bang for our buck. Certainly worth (at the very least) a small commission....at zero cost to the viewer/purchaser. If I had extra $ to spend, Id surely smash on that affiliate link. Great job as always.
@Harrisongrey19 18 күн бұрын
Cheapaudioman does enough shilling so everyone else doesn’t have too. I really can’t understand why people like him so much. He has the most punchable face in audio
@joentell 18 күн бұрын
I've been saying this for a minute! 😉 I even pay for early access to your reviews on Patreon! Well worth it!
@inplainview1 18 күн бұрын
Awesome. Mofi and Andrew straight up said "give the people what they want." That they stand "alongside" the KEF blade at their price point is the essence of value. While expensive for average joes, this can be something they can save for and know that they are milking just about everything they can out of that pricepoint.
@ACM1000000PT 17 күн бұрын
i didn't understand a bit your momment, why the kef blades instead of the R series?, the blades have nothing to do with the mofi, like.. nothing..., maybe the ls60 lol
@inplainview1 17 күн бұрын
@@ACM1000000PT did you watch the video?
@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah 16 күн бұрын
@@inplainview1apparently they did not
@elgingaragegym 18 күн бұрын
Erin, I enjoy your genuine work and passion. Best of luck to you.
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Wow. Thank you for the donation!
@elgingaragegym 18 күн бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner Again, you make a good hobby better with your work, and help educate people with your videos. Keep up the work and you make the daunting details of HiFI manageable. You have a great talent Erin.
@joentell 18 күн бұрын
Wow, that's awesome of you to support Erin like that @elgingaragegym! Off topic: I'm setting up my garage gym now. Just got a power rack, Olympic bar and some 45', 25's, and 10lb bumper plates. I already have adjustable dumbbells and a 100lb punching bag. 💪
@elgingaragegym 18 күн бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner my 5k speaker is the JBL L100 Classic 75's, however I'd have a happily switched if these were out at the time. The 75's are great, but the finish isn't holding up as well as it should IMO. I always wonder how nice looking speakers will hold up over time. My other speakers are Focal Sopra No. 3's, Fyne F704 (waiting for SuperTrax), JBL 75's, Zu DWX, Technics SB-C700, B&W 805 D4, JBL 4309. All spread out between my basement, my home office, my work office, my family room, my gym, and my garage workshop. The 75's I'm just keeping in their crate for now and will figure out what to do with them later. I bought them more or less as a nostalgic oud to my late father along with my Yamaha C-500 and Luxman M10X. My dad had JBL pioneer and Yamaha gear while I was growing up. I like watching your videos, but as of lately I haven't been looking at speakers as much. Maybe down the road I'll get rid of my Focals and Fyne's for a endgame speaker, IDK. I just like listening to different systems as much as I can, which is why I love reviewers and find their work so cool. It's something I would enjoy doing if I had a 3rd life 🤣.
@bluewaysk 18 күн бұрын
Thank you for all your reviews. You are one of a few reviewers who is I believe honest and not paid to just spread the hype.
@Scan_Speak 18 күн бұрын
Excellent review. An SP8 owner here. The sound is natural, musical and effortless. Construction is really good too. If you want a more of that, the SP888's look like a great option.
@alantan6786 18 күн бұрын
Love your comment about KZfaqrs' extolling that this speaker is the best speaker ever...for the 20th time in a year. That's why I love your channel because you try to avoid hyperbolic terms like that when reviewing. When you say this is one of the best sounding speakers that you ever heard, I actually believe you. Thanks!
@QuangNguyen-oh6ju 18 күн бұрын
*cough **cough*steave huff* cough*
@Harrisongrey19 18 күн бұрын
@@QuangNguyen-oh6jucheapaudioman is the worst at it by far
@dajikbatarang1 18 күн бұрын
@@Harrisongrey19cheapaudioman says random $200 speaker beats focal utopia. Steve Huff says every speaker he has is better than the last.
@Harrisongrey19 18 күн бұрын
@@dajikbatarang1 yep and people eat that stuff up. Both guys are big problems in audio.
@MrJhardencdj 18 күн бұрын
@@dajikbatarang1 LS50 meta
@brannonmcevers1854 18 күн бұрын
Thanks for all your hard work!
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Whoa!!! Thank you so much for the donation!!!
@skzeeman007 14 күн бұрын
I started my audiophile journey only from 2020 and I’ve learned a lot from you in the objective department. Much respect to your hard work and ethics. Many Thanks Erin! 🎉
@ErinsAudioCorner 14 күн бұрын
Oh, dang! Thank you very much for this!
@user-ej3ii8zm2b 18 күн бұрын
Thanks! Hopefully this little bit helps with those pesky bills! Been looking forward to the reviews of these hoping they lived up to all the show hype they received and it appears they definitely do. Andrew Jones seems to have hit it out of the park with these. Definitely on my future upgrade short list. Keep up all the great review work you do. Thanks again.
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Hey, Thanks for the donation!!!
@maoandmi 19 күн бұрын
Finally the speaker for Linton upgrade? Performance and value both.
@elgingaragegym 18 күн бұрын
Sound like a great speaker, not surprised. You genuinely sounded excited in reviewing this speaker Erin.
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
@@elgingaragegym they’re pretty dang legit, that’s for sure!
@DougMen1 18 күн бұрын
Andrew hits another home run!
@NosEL34 18 күн бұрын
Damn.. these really are That good. Great to know that a speaker of this caliber exists at this price. I can't afford them in the moment but its achievable in time. Outstanding review & thank you for sharing this data with us. Mofi & Andrew did some great things with this Sourcepoint Line.
@whoguy4231 18 күн бұрын
That compression measurement is incredible. Well Done Mofi.
@irishadmin1300 18 күн бұрын
I've been waiting for this review for months! Your review and Ron's at NRD were enough to push the 888s over the SVS Ultra Pinnacle for me. I pulled the trigger today using your Crutchfield link. Thanks for excellent review! I can't wait!
@bbfoto7248 18 күн бұрын
Congrats! It would be nice to hear back from you here once you have settled in with them for a month or so to get some more personal impressions from a real world owner. Cheers
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Oh, sweet! Thanks for that! And I totally agree with BBfoto... let us know what you think when you get them in.
@irishadmin1300 15 күн бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner How do you think my Yamaha A-S2100 will pair with the 888s? I am concerned it may not be up to task, even though I doubt I will be listening at high SPL. I think it will push at max about 110 wpc into the 888s given they are 6 ohm.
@ErinsAudioCorner 15 күн бұрын
@@irishadmin1300 Hey, I'm actually testing out a Yamaha NS-2000A which is a step down (I suppose) and it's more than adequate for these speakers. If you do wind up ordering it please consider using the below affiliate link which earns me a small commission at no additional cost to you: howl.me/cmDvIvQcb2u
@irishadmin1300 15 күн бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner Yes, I ordered them last Saturday using that link. They are supposed to be here this Monday.
@markblock8659 19 күн бұрын
Great review, and a very impressive speaker!
@ErinsAudioCorner 19 күн бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@akitikallc6161 18 күн бұрын
Erin...thanks so much for what you do...the clear science based approach tied into the psycho-acoustic consequences, and always with an eye on price, is an awesome combination!
@marchuvfulz 18 күн бұрын
One way to think about the price is ask whether it is something that you will enjoy every day or something that you use only once in a while. If you love the sound of these and listen to them every day and keep them for ten years, it works out to about $1.30 per day. That's not a bad price if it's something that brings you joy every time you use it.
@90053 19 күн бұрын
Fantastic job as usual! You deliver consistent reviews so that we can compare apples to apples, and I also greatly appreciate that you point out some specific other speakers to relate with. What impact does the grill have on the sound, if any?
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Well, thank you very much. 😊
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm 18 күн бұрын
Nice review. Big thumbs up for good tonality.
@augustinvaclavik6282 18 күн бұрын
OK, I am done Erin, looking for the patreon link, cant believe i was so rude not to pay for all the value you have given me. I am sorry Erin, and thank you for everybody who wont be stolen from by marketig thanks to your videos. Again, Thank you
@ChicagoRob2 18 күн бұрын
Also check out the Ascend Acoustics ELX towers, at $4300/pair. They are designed and tested on the Klippel. In-room response is virtually perfect.
@Nate.drill86 17 күн бұрын
That's the comparison I'm looking at. I've been wanting the EXL since it came out, all the more so with the high praise it consistently gets in reviews. The 888 seem like a must compare when looking in this price range though.
@ChicagoRob2 17 күн бұрын
@@Nate.drill86 As you know, you can option it with the phenomenal RAAL ribbon tweeter, at an increased cost. The cheaper version with the custom SEAS dome is very, very good, though. And the triple-layer bamboo cabinets puts Ascend Acoustics in a class of their own. I haven’t heard the ELX, but I do have the Sierra LX bookshelf speakers, which are mind-blowing good for price. They really should be far more expensive.
@chinmeysway 17 күн бұрын
@@ChicagoRob2huh I thought ascend audios towers all had ribbon tweeters.. i’d love to know that that’s not true! amazing company.
@generynkewicz4871 16 күн бұрын
Don’t think the EXL is as sensitive or has the same bass response. Plus you lose vertical dispersion.
@midevil1980 18 күн бұрын
Thanks again for another great and honest review! 🙂🍻
@dawolyan13 18 күн бұрын
Had no idea you did written reviews of speakers. I was hours into a speaker search on some unknown website, and BANG!! A written review from Erin!! Keep it up bro!!
@bbfoto7248 18 күн бұрын
Yes, Erin's written reviews are excellent! AND, they usually provide even more data compared to what is included in his videos due to time constraints.
@clarencehoover6748 18 күн бұрын
Great review, Erin. 👍
@Newrecordday2013 17 күн бұрын
Great review, Erin! It would be cool to sit down and chat about some of your findings to sharpen up my knowledge. Compression is of particular interest, and I would love to learn more about it. I have nothing but respect for your work and dedication to keeping it real. I'm so tired of the endless unicorns out there; your channel is refreshing.
@ErinsAudioCorner 17 күн бұрын
I'd be down for that. By the way, I really like the format of your videos lately. I can't imagine how much time you spend editing them based on how much I have to edit my short videos. So kudos to you.
@JCOehler 9 күн бұрын
I just ordered these in Walnut based on this review and my dealer's very high recommendation. Will be pairing with a Line Magnetic 805ia 48wpc tube integrated and my Rega analog front end. Thank you for an in-depth, unbiased, data driven review!
@chrisvand2678 18 күн бұрын
Thanks for another superb review, Erin. Greetings from Denmark.
@bearclaw5115 18 күн бұрын
Happy to see the 888's live up to my lofty expectations! Probably the top performing speaker that most audiophiles could actually afford to put in their home. Really cool to have this option!
@EEAMD-co6nw 8 күн бұрын
love the presenting. its on point, consise and elaborated. thank you
@hoth2112 18 күн бұрын
Great Review, Erin! It definitely seems like there's lot going for this speaker, and there are a lot of other reviewers who seem really enthusiastic about it as well. I think the issues noted at ~3Khz is cause by the woofer's former sticking up just past the tweeter's little waveguide causing some small diffraction issues, as I remember seeing similar diffraction issues on the smaller SP8.
@surge1604 18 күн бұрын
I gotta hear your top 5! Very sturdy review as usual.
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Much appreciated!
@kamadeva1 19 күн бұрын
These look like a remarkable bargain! Probably going to wait a year before buying as the price will likely come down a good bit, just as it did with the Sourcepoint 10 and 8. Thanks for an awesome review.
@bearclaw5115 18 күн бұрын
I would bet they'll go on sale for less than 4k at some point within the next 18-24mos.
@BL-yj2wp 18 күн бұрын
That‘s really good performance.
@RobWooten 18 күн бұрын
I just looked these over on crutchfield and was surprised to see mofi only include a one year warranty ? I feel like most speaker manufacturers 3 or 5 year is the norm.
@nickolaymiltenov 17 күн бұрын
This is exactly what i wanted to ask too. And where are they assembled? China probably. No replies from reviewer.
@joshrudner9844 16 күн бұрын
Mofi speaker models have a five year parts & labor warranty
@maz4bz592 17 күн бұрын
Thanks for the metric specs!😁
@johncallison4745 18 күн бұрын
Nice review, these look interesting.
@danzilla31stompinontokyo36 18 күн бұрын
Thanks!
@DearSX 18 күн бұрын
Wow, thanks for the review and measurements. That's an amazing review. I will plan to buy these in the future but I need to sell some of my other speaker. Unfortunately 2 feet from the back wall is hard for me to do.
@shipsahoy1793 18 күн бұрын
yeah, too bad everybody focuses so heavily on bass reflex .. it would be nice to have more acoustic suspension sealed box options. A couple feet from the wall is not always doable, as you pointed out.
@Favouille 18 күн бұрын
You can seal the port with foam, you will lose some extension but you'll mitigate the 50 hz boost you'll get with proximity effect.
@bbfoto7248 18 күн бұрын
@DearSX @shipsahoy1793 As Erin suggested, using just ONE band of EQ and applying a low shelf filter would easily take care of your close wall placement "issue". And if you had a few more bands of EQ available, you could also address any other potential room-related response issues or adjust these speaker's overall tonality and spectral balance to your personal preferences since these have fairly linear directivity. Most Streaming boxes and/or music player apps have a built-in EQ these days that could accomplish this. Or you could do more precise adjustments with a separate $250 miniDSP between your source and amplifier/integrated amp, etc. I realize that a lot of HiFi/Stereo purists are averse to using EQ or DSP, but the Dutch & Dutch 8C speakers that Erin mentioned and are phenomenal speakers are a fully DSP based active speaker. The best Home Theater systems rely heavily on DSP & EQ as well. In addition, in the recording, mixing, and mastering process, the audio engineers who are actually producing ALL of the music and TV/Movie sound that we listen to daily use and rely on MULTIPLE instances of all types of both digital and analog EQ for every project. Just sayin', this ain't a REAL problem, and it's very easily overcome. ;) Recording engineer's own studio monitors that help them make their mixing and mastering decisions use this exact form of EQ and Room Correction to calibrate their monitors in their room. As a musician with my own home studio, I think it's safe to say that if recording engineers are not averse to using EQ & DSP to solve acoustic or in-room response issues, then you probably shouldn't be either for your home HiFi playback system.
@shipsahoy1793 18 күн бұрын
@@bbfoto7248 you missed my point .. I prefer sealed box designs that were made well years ago. I'm a musician, and as such, I don't have any problems with EQ or any other types of correction or processing, even in hifi..that wasn't my point. So many people go out of their way to try to convince other people that their preferences are not warranted, but throwing you a bone, you are correct, it's not actually a real problem per se, but for me, the weight definitely is..again, my opinion through preference.
@shipsahoy1793 18 күн бұрын
@@Favouille and, of course, also undermine the designers' intentions lol .. not a fan of bandaids (also my opinion through preference).
@khoi83 18 күн бұрын
Finally!!! Will watch later 😊
@MechAdv 18 күн бұрын
Damn. Finally an accessible speaker that I know will be completely superior to my Concert 11s. Been eyeballing the R7 Meta, but evidently the hype is for real on these. Thanks Erin!
@jyharris 18 күн бұрын
Love your videos! Thank you for explaining everything so succinctly! Been eyeing the 8's, now trying to convince myself my 18' x 12' room is big enough for the 888's. 🤔
@ErinsAudioCorner 17 күн бұрын
I don't see a problem with that being too small of a room. Speakers like this do well in rooms of varying size because of their even dispersion pattern; where the reflected sound matches the tonality of the direct sound.
@dougg1075 18 күн бұрын
They are very nice. Those sound videos of them in Andrew’s room was super impressive. Even on KZfaq
@Gunmastercomua 18 күн бұрын
Thank you Erin!
@wallycunningham5090 19 күн бұрын
Impressive speaker! In your opinion are the small squiggles in FR worth correcting with DSP?
@ErinsAudioCorner 19 күн бұрын
I don’t think I would worry about the little squiggles.
@JD_Viddy 18 күн бұрын
You finally pushed me over the edge to replace my Acoustic Research AR98LS's I bought back in 1984 :)
@DonnieMulligan 18 күн бұрын
Great Info Erin!
@avnut5517 18 күн бұрын
Excellent thank you for your analysis. If they only made an in wall like this....
@JR-ho5qm 18 күн бұрын
Andrew if you read this Good Job pal! Looks like you designed a fantastic speaker! Wow! And I agree it looks really good too! I hope it works out for you Erin and you’re able to buy them. 👍🏻
@MikeK6046 18 күн бұрын
Thanks for the review, well done!!!! If I were to get a bigger space to live (and budget), these would be TOP ON MY LIST. Also, IMO Andrew Jones has a "proven" history of creating various low-priced speakers that truly rival speakers costing 2, 3, 4x's the price.
@adamyelle4901 18 күн бұрын
I saw these in several different rooms at axpona and each setup sounded very right. Refreshing compared many other rooms there
@microteche 18 күн бұрын
Ive been waiting for Erin to review these thanks very much.
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Hope you enjoy!
@don1946 18 күн бұрын
Erin thank you for such an insightful review. You sound a little hesitant about you praising. One point to consider is the triple 888's are the product of a fantastic designer who has hit his stride and has a company providing a reasonable working budget!
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Yeah, man, it seems that someone is always upset about something and people threw a hissy-fit about my excitement over the KEF Blade 2 meta (calling me biased, paid-for, etc). Just a bunch of grown men acting like children.
@CobraChamp 18 күн бұрын
Another Excellent Video Erin! Do you have a Google Sheet that is available covering all the speakers you've measured?
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
I sure don't. I do, however, have a list of all my reviews in written format on my website: www.erinsaudiocorner.com/ Haven't added this one yet. Working on that now.
@CobraChamp 18 күн бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner Add that, with about 1k other things, to the list of things to do LOL. I was curious how many Revel speakers you've had the chance to review?
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
@@CobraChamp yeah, the Revel F226Be. Great speaker, too.
@alievans4692 13 күн бұрын
Hi Erin, I came across your channel and I'm grateful for your wealth of knowledge as I make decisions on speakers! I'd love to hear what your top picks are for an in-ceiling setup.
@ErinsAudioCorner 13 күн бұрын
I'd probably go for something from KEF. I think a good coaxial design makes the most sense for in-ceiling speakers given they don't have to be precisely aimed and have a large and even "sweet spot" both horizontally AND vertically (something most 2-way or 3-way speakers don't have).
@labalo5 18 күн бұрын
You would do ECA proud Erin. Show hifi that the fundamentals in mobile audio ground our expectations and shaped our ears to be what they are well into the home. 😊
@Z4d0k 18 күн бұрын
Looks great! I’ll replace my Lintons with something like this one day…
@mayssebmasenya9132 18 күн бұрын
Thanks
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Oh, well thank you very much!
@azureoval 18 күн бұрын
A smaller sealed WTW version of this would make a awesome center channel !
@bbfoto7248 18 күн бұрын
@azureoval Why WTW and give up the coherency of the concentric/coaxial midwoofer/tweeter design??? You could probably make a SourcePoint 8 work perfectly as your center channel. Erin said he's seen single SP8's available as Open Box units on Crutchfield. I've purchased several open box items from Crutchfield in the past and I couldn't tell the items from being brand new. If they do have any flaws or blemishes, Crutchfield is up front about listing them.
@azureoval 18 күн бұрын
@@bbfoto7248 I meant the coax in the middle flanked by two woofers.
@mannycazz8018 18 күн бұрын
Can you do the polk L800 SDA which is similarly priced to the Mofi 888. It goes on sale often for about 5 grand a pair. Keep up the stellar work ✨️
@bbfoto7248 18 күн бұрын
@mannycazz8018 I think Erin has mentioned in several other video comments that he's tried to get POLK to send him some of their other Tower Speakers, but hasn't got any response. So the best way to encourage Polk to do so would be for YOU and others to contact POLK directly and request that they send a review pair to Erin for testing. The more people who do this, the better the chance Erin will have to receive and test/review these Polk speakers. It would be logistically and financially prohibitive for any owners of these large Polk Tower speakers to ship their own pair to Erin and also pay for return shipping, so I wouldn't count on that happening anytime soon.
@Jimsathome 18 күн бұрын
Erin, another good review. I'd love to have the $$ to afford these MoFi speakers, but it is what it is. But I still like watching your reviews on them; and dreaming. Your Good Data is what makes your reviews a step (or two) higher than others who just push on with opinion backed by hot air. (Cheap Audioman somehow comes to mind). I hope those who can afford these speakers will use your affiliate links to help you along with your costs. By the way, any chance of you doing a review on the HSU CCB-8s?
@bbfoto7248 18 күн бұрын
@jimsathome I'd be interested in a review of those HSU concentric 8" speakers as well. Several attendees at AXPONA (IIRC) said that they were quite impressed and that they exhibited excellent imaging and full range extension and impact/dynamics when combined with one of the HSU subwoofers. And this was just as a stereo pair without using the center channel that they had set up in the room. For the demo they were being powered by a ~$300 Denon or Onkyo AVR, and the subwoofer had its own built-in plate amp. Definitely a price/performance leader. Unfortunately, Erin has tried to contact HSU multiple times and they just aren't interested in sending him anything for review. But if enough people like you request it, the better the chances are for Dr. HSU to be willing to send Erin a pair for review, and maybe a subwoofer as well. But it seems like HSU has a hard time just keeping these in stock (a good problem to have), so they rarely have any spare units to send out for reviews. TBF, from a business owner's perspective, who needs reviews if they're already selling like hotcakes and you can't keep them in stock?
@Nightjar726 18 күн бұрын
You really owe it to yourself and us tho to review the Philharmonic HT Towers. I mean for people to know what they get for their money. Awesome review
@ErinsAudioCorner 17 күн бұрын
I tested those for Dennis as a consult (for a fee) and I let him know that me providing him data for a fee meant I wouldn't do a review. I don't mix money with reviews. So he sent me the speaker, I measured it and sent him the data and that was that.
@warrenwillis6477 18 күн бұрын
Does this speaker perform well at low volume levels (68 DB range)? (Approx 270 sq ft room) Also, with all the drivers starting out as 8 inches, does this mean that the speak is time aligned? Or does the Twitter placement throw that off? Thanks for your review and comments,much appreciated…
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Yes, it does well at low volume. The dynamic range (difference in response at varying levels) is very low. It's not time-aligned. To time align all the drivers would be practically impossible. You'd need electronic means (DSP) and it would be only aligned for one specific angle / position.
@joecartwright9221 18 күн бұрын
You are a fantastic reviewer 👍
@Pete.across.the.street 17 күн бұрын
These seem like a Great value❤
@Mark198d 18 күн бұрын
Excellent review. Do you think you would be able to pick out which is the Sourcepoint 888 vs. the KEF Blade 2 Metas in a blind test?
@Artcore103 18 күн бұрын
Obviously. They're different enough. That doesn't answer which is "better", but you could most certainly tell when the music switched between them every time.
@Mark198d 18 күн бұрын
@@Artcore103 "Obviously"? How would you be able to? If a proper double blind test were arranged between both speakers precisely volume matched, I think it would be very difficult. On paper, both speakers have similar neutrality, dispersion, and F3. Blade is slightly more linear and 3 Hz lower F3 and MoFi has 10 degrees more horizontal and vertical dispersion. Could you hear those slight differences in a blind test? Question was directly for Erin since he is probably the only person who has listened extensively to both speakers.
@hassabsaeed9993 18 күн бұрын
I have Klipsch RF7 III , wonder if the SourcePoint 888 worth the upgrade or look for much higher ? Thanks for the review , greetings from Saudi Arabia :)
@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah 18 күн бұрын
in every way imaginable
@onemic-theminimalist 18 күн бұрын
I own the Sorce Point 10 and love them. Besides the price and looks, the 888s are about the same except for a slightly lower extension?
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Aside from bass extension, dynamics and distortion, The 888’s are more neutral. The SP10 has a lifted treble (by design).
@badbad2000 12 күн бұрын
Good Review supported by Data
@mayssebmasenya9132 18 күн бұрын
Thanks. Looking forward to listening to these when they come to 🇿🇦 How much does the speaker distance from the side wall matter, if you have pulled them a good distance (e.g, > 90 cm) from the wall behind them? And how do you measure the distance between the two speakers? If you can show in a diagram like you do for the distance from the wall behind the speaker, that’d be great. Thanks
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
With some speakers the distance to the sidewall really matters; those speakers would suffer from poor directivity (poor driver integration at the crossover, namely). A speaker like this - with very good directivity - doesn't matter as much because the direct sound is extremely similar to the reflected sound.
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
The distance between the two speakers should be the distance you are from them. That's the equilateral triangle.
@mayssebmasenya9132 18 күн бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner Thanks for your response and informative videos, Erin.
@lsaideOK 18 күн бұрын
Looks fantastic! Excellent review. The only box that it doesn't check for me is being made in the company's home country which in this case would be the USA. They might have to up the price 25 to 50%, but it would be worth it for me. I'm pretty sure the new sonus faber sonetto line doesn't test linear but they are handmade in Italy and look fantastic. Would like to hear a review of the fives or the eights as they have this newfangled, flower like mid-range driver. The 5s are $6500 which is more but I would consider that difference the home country entrance fee
@chrislj2890 18 күн бұрын
You've never reviewed my present speakers and I hope you never do. I'm perfectly happy and don't want my parade rained on, lol.
@bberger2 17 күн бұрын
Stellar review! Did you by any chance listen to these with subs?
@1165mac 18 күн бұрын
Great review as always, Erin! For home theater what speaker would you suggest using for center channel under a projection screen with 36” height space from the floor? These towers would be about 12 feet apart flanking the screen. Thanks!
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
My plan was to use the bookshelf version of these. You can sometimes find a single open box from crutchfield: howl.me/cleSP9AdFom
@1165mac 18 күн бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner If only Andrew would create a true center channel speaker that checks all your boxes! I have an Ascend Acoustics Sierra Horizon center speaker arriving next week for audition. If it’s able to overcome the natural deficiencies of a center design, I may go ahead with their matching towers. I’ve heard nothing but praise for Ascend and Dave and his crew have been extremely responsive and cordial with me.
@HotSause 15 күн бұрын
Great review. I would be interested in an evaluation follow up video on your 888 implementation fot HT. Including power sources. Maybe Crutchfield can send you some options to review.🤞🙏
@Novilicious 14 күн бұрын
I’m excited for the upcoming new Arendals 1528. I hope hey seen you a review pair!!
@liamporter1137 18 күн бұрын
Great review. Wish it can be a bit narrow or smaller.
@OnwiththeAction 18 күн бұрын
Great review! Question: Would a MoFi SourcePoint 8 with a subwoofer be about the same?
@Favouille 18 күн бұрын
I'm interested by the answer too !
@Favouille 18 күн бұрын
Erin answered in another threads : not the same unless you cross them around 130 hz, and it's not easy so high. If you cross lower, you loss dynamic range and have more distorsion.
@Karto86 18 күн бұрын
Those are big, looks kinda like the endgame speakers for me :)
@shipsahoy1793 18 күн бұрын
Wow Erin, thanks for the work !! Nice pair of speakers for a nice price. Unfortunately, the unavoidable negative for me is the weight. If they weighed 30% less, oh yeah !! 👏
@bbfoto7248 18 күн бұрын
@shipsahoy1793 You might consider the MoFi SourcePoint 8 with a separate subwoofer. Should be easy to do for well under $5k. The new/updated ToTL HSU Research VTF-series subwoofer looks like a great performer and value at ~$1300.
@shipsahoy1793 18 күн бұрын
@@bbfoto7248 I don't need to consider anything. I'm perfectly happy with the hi-fi equipment that I have.. I only like to stay abreast of current product offerings and Erin is a great resource for that, thank you. Didn't really ask for any advice, but thanks anyway..😉
@shipsahoy1793 3 күн бұрын
@@bbfoto7248 Well subs are not my preference for stereo, but for home theatre I like subs; based on the review of the mofi source point 8's, the 8's are perfect candidates for being on stands and being used with subs for a stereo speaker system set up that you could basically do for $3k-4k, depending on whether going with one sub or two, so to your point, I definitely agree!
@garrardzero1 18 күн бұрын
Can someone explain compression, or a link to a explanation. Txs.
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Loudspeaker Compression || Understanding the Measurements Part 5 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bL-JapSI1tyWpWQ.html
@H2OFSU 18 күн бұрын
Hi Erin, how do these compare to the KEF LS60?
@304290 18 күн бұрын
I would also be interested in this answer as well.
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm 17 күн бұрын
The Kef will not play as loud and it will cut the bass. Hard pass for me.
@middleearthltd 18 күн бұрын
Very useful review I believe these use Morel drivers which are very nice If I were looking to buy a speaker in the up to $10k range this would be on the short list
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
They’re custom designed drivers.
@middleearthltd 18 күн бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner That makes sense as they are made in China and Morel is Israeli based on what I just saw.
@mw3640 18 күн бұрын
Great review as always, however in Europe the price is roughly $6700 (at least where I live) which makes it a bit less of a budget speaker. For me personally, I also think the bass extension will create problems if you cannot put it a bit further from the back wall?
@bbfoto7248 18 күн бұрын
@mw3640 It's unfortunate about the pricing in Europe. But we sometimes have the same issue when sourcing or buying European products in North America. Regarding the close wall bass extension "problem", as Erin suggested, just using ONE band of EQ and applying a low shelf filter would easily take care of this. And if you had a few more bands of EQ available, you could also address any other potential room-related response issues, or adjust the speaker's overall tonality and spectral balance to your personal preferences since these have fairly linear directivity. Most Streaming boxes and/or music player apps have a built-in EQ these days that could accomplish this. Or you could do more precise adjustments with a separate $250 miniDSP between your source and amplifier/integrated amp, etc. I realize that a lot of HiFi/Stereo purists are averse to using EQ or DSP, but the Dutch & Dutch 8C speakers that Erin mentioned and are phenomenal speakers are a fully DSP based active speaker. The best Home Theater systems rely heavily on DSP & EQ as well. In addition, in the recording, mixing, and mastering process, the audio engineers who are actually producing ALL of the music and TV/Movie sound that we listen to daily use and rely on MULTIPLE instances of all types of both digital and analog EQ for every project. Just sayin', this ain't a REAL problem, and it's very easily overcome. ;) Recording engineer's own studio monitors that help them make their mixing and mastering decisions use this exact form of EQ and Room Correction to calibrate their monitors in their room. As a musician with my own home studio, I think it's safe to say that if recording engineers are not averse to using EQ & DSP to solve acoustic or in-room response issues, then you probably shouldn't be either for your home HiFi playback system.
@mw3640 18 күн бұрын
@@bbfoto7248 Yeah it definitely goes both ways! With regards to my bass issue I have tried miniDSP and I know that it can work wonders but the issue is that I just cannot use enough treatment since it is the living room. I solved it by using the KEF R3 Meta as my speaker. It has a low shelf built in and so I can put it closer to the wall to actually use my bad room as a way of getting a more neutral bass.
@Artcore103 18 күн бұрын
@@bbfoto7248exactly. EQ. And who doesn't want extra bass anyways? Ok maybe at 50-60hz that region can sound "bloated" or boomy, but below that you can always use more bass and it never sounds boomy. Certainly below 40hz, it needs cranked, and you cannot have too much sub bass. As for the miniDSP, you cannot use the 2x4HD in a hifi system, it's not good enough. If you want to use a miniDSP product for parametric EQ or crossover duty in a hifi 2ch stereo, you HAVE to step up to the miniDSP "FLEX", is a huge step up in quality, both in terms of noise floor and analog output quality, and higher precision computation. Once you step up to the flex or any higher end unit, there is no downside to DSP correction, it's perfect and has a very hi-fidelity audiophile grade dynamic range and noise floor and distortion measurements. But the 2x4hd is a no go, you can quickly find this out in the forums from people disappointed with it's performance and noise floor issues. The Flex is $495 with no accessories. It's an incredible piece of kit.
@purplehazeffc 18 күн бұрын
@@bbfoto7248 Even worse for us Aussies. $11,000AU ($7425US) for the privilege of living in Australia
@PNWDad 18 күн бұрын
Would love to see you do a "best Andrew Jones speaker at price is no object/high end/mid level/budget price points"
@trudimcleod5042 18 күн бұрын
I wonder how these compared with the Kef R5 Metas or the Revel F208 or F228Be, which are within the same price range.
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm 17 күн бұрын
Yeah I bought a new pair of 228bes for $6300. They are on sale all the time. The bass extension of the 228be is very poor for their size and they really need subs which is how I ran them. I would imagine the tweeter of the 228be is better but that is just a guess and silk domes never get me excited…. Audiophile speak right there lol. But it is how I feel.
@Simplyveej 18 күн бұрын
Are they versatile in terms of the kinds of music that sound good on them for example, dense classical orchestra, music, rock, etc.?
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Yes.
@pixelmixture3067 18 күн бұрын
How would you compare it to buchardt A700 ?
@user-td1lo9eo2p 18 күн бұрын
What’s your amp of choice? Any power supply?
@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah 18 күн бұрын
He uses Monoblocks that are 250 Watts each from March Audio
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
^ yep. March Audio P501 are the main amps I use. 250w @ 8ohm. 500w @ 4ohm. marchaudio.com/product/p501-mono-block-power-amplifier/
@Hirnlego999 18 күн бұрын
Any chance to test Canton Townus 90?
@conspiratorschannel 16 күн бұрын
Great review! Thank you! With around 87dB sensitivity and 200w power handling, what kind of output can I really expect to get out of a pair? This is my only real concern as an old rocker sitting in a relatively large room. I don't do it all the time, but occasionally I want to feel like I'm at the show in that 105-110dB range.
@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah 16 күн бұрын
and you shall feel those cos thankfully that sensitivity married with the impedance swing not going below 4 Ohm nominal makes for a phenomenal speaker that can get up in loudness with no restraint... also the exceptional compression and distortion parameters means yes you can listen at 85dBC with peaks at 105dB
@ErinsAudioCorner 16 күн бұрын
These had no problem hitting 100dB at 10 feet in my large listening space (open to the kitchen and hallway).
@TheBlindphleb 18 күн бұрын
I'd love for Erin to test the Ohm Walsh speakers.
@bearclaw5115 18 күн бұрын
Def would be interesting. Probably wouldn't measure well but would sound great anyway.
@tbullard3 18 күн бұрын
How do these compare to JBL HDI-3800?
@-MarkWinston- 18 күн бұрын
A serious question, will all those squiggles, with so many of them, even out to our hearing or will it impart a different sound signature compared to an even straight line?
@bbfoto7248 18 күн бұрын
I'm obviously not Erin, but generally speaking, really narrow dips and peaks (especially in the upper frequency response) are difficult for our auditory system to discern. And with the Blended/Masked response from the room and reflections, you aren't going to hear all those small individual peaks and dips. What you WILL hear and notice is when there is a significant rise or suckout over a wider bandwidth, such as a continuously rising high frequency response, or anywhere there is a wider bandwidth dip followed by a wider bandwidth peak. The "small squiggly lines" really aren't a "problem" unless they are more significant in amplitude.
@-MarkWinston- 18 күн бұрын
@@bbfoto7248 that is the basic understanding, but my question refers to small dips and peaks over a broad bandwidth, which can be a contradiction in itself. A hypothetical question, will 2 speakers that measure the exact same in all other areas except 1 is with a squiggly FR and 1 with a straight FR sound same?
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm 17 күн бұрын
Yeah I will not matter but an issue of the coax design. Everything has trade offs. The other issue is lack of heat dissipation having the tweeter inside the mid.
@pabloherman8836 18 күн бұрын
These will be mine. Anyone know if there will there be a 10 10 10?
@tvolkman88 18 күн бұрын
Erin, if I don't have room treatment, is it better to get a narrow dispersion speaker? Usage would be for mulitchannel home theater (5 or 7 channel bed layer).
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Nope. A speaker like this with good, even dispersion can actually sound better in a non-treated room. I’d take this over a narrower speaker any day.
@tvolkman88 18 күн бұрын
@ErinsAudioCorner thank you sir...fast response!!
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm 18 күн бұрын
I have to disagree. The decay time needs to under control regardless of the frequent response of the reflected sound. Room treatment is needed whether that is natural (carpet, furniture, etc) for designed. Listen to these in an unfinished room and they will sound like ass. Try talking on your phone and walk into the bathroom. It is 100% obvious you walked into the bathroom. I have two rooms. One has 5 chairs and two couches with carpet (19x26x8’). It sounds fine with “no” treatment as the room is treated with furniture. My other room is 26x30x8’ with 3 chairs in it and it sounds like a big hollow box without treatment. $5k later in treatment it is a good room. You need a reasonable decay time for intelligibility .
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm 17 күн бұрын
I own/owned the Revel 228be and a JBL 4367, both have kipple measurements. The 228be is pretty wide and the 4367 is narrow. Anyway, I actually liked the 228be better for surround. It sounded wider and added more ambients to things. For music I liked the JBL with its better dynamics the clarity. I had both at the same time for direct A/B. I would go as far as to say wide dispersion can hurt intelligibility in speech without treatment imo but that is another discussion for another day. The key is that the time delay off the side walls in not too long. In a small room it might not matter or even help. As the room gets bigger…
@tvolkman88 17 күн бұрын
@JamesWilliams-gf8gm so you're saying that with no treatment (other than chairs/carpet) it's better that the room be smaller?
@bartbarelds8454 18 күн бұрын
Discussed with NRD when to get the video out? 😅 Love the review and yeah everything about these speakers scream that allot of thought has gone into this design and technique.
@ErinsAudioCorner 17 күн бұрын
haha. No, we actually didn't. I knew he had 'em though. I shared some data with him so he could sanity check his own measurements.
@Newrecordday2013 15 күн бұрын
I actually pulled the trigger on my review the day he released his, hoping to pad his views. This normally happens when the algorithm sees similar videos and recommends them. Eric does a great job, and I’ll continue to do all I can to help him out.
@bartbarelds8454 15 күн бұрын
@@Newrecordday2013 i love the way the both of you review gear, keep up the good work 👍🏼
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh 18 күн бұрын
Would it be possible to have it closer to the wall (les than 2 feet) by stuffing/ plugging the ports while maintaining most of the speakers' performance?
@bbfoto7248 18 күн бұрын
Plugging the ports MIGHT help, but you don't have any way to really shape the response, and you're still kind of stuck with whatever response stuffing the port provides in your particular room. As Erin has suggested in multiple reviews, just using ONE band of EQ and applying a low shelf filter would easily take care of a close wall placement "issue". And if you had a few more bands of EQ available, you could also address any other potential room-related response issues or adjust their speaker's overall tonality and spectral balance to your personal preferences since these have fairly linear directivity. Most Streaming boxes and/or music player apps have a built-in EQ these days that could accomplish this. Or you could do more precise adjustments with a separate $250 miniDSP between your source and amplifier/integrated amp, etc. I realize that a lot of HiFi/Stereo purists are averse to using EQ or DSP, but the Dutch & Dutch 8C speakers that Erin mentioned and are phenomenal speakers are a fully DSP based active speaker. The best Home Theater systems rely heavily on DSP & EQ as well. In addition, in the recording, mixing, and mastering process, the audio engineers who are actually producing ALL of the music and TV/Movie sound that we listen to daily use and rely on MULTIPLE instances of all types of both digital and analog EQ for every project. Just sayin', this ain't a REAL problem, and it's very easily overcome. ;) Recording engineer's own studio monitors that help them make their mixing and mastering decisions use this exact form of EQ and Room Correction to calibrate their monitors in their room. As a musician with my own home studio, I think it's safe to say that if recording engineers are not averse to using EQ & DSP to solve acoustic or in-room response issues, then you probably shouldn't be either for your home HiFi playback system.
@JoseFerreira-zb7wh 18 күн бұрын
@@bbfoto7248 have nothing agains dsp, but i don't know how to do proper frequency measurements, plus if i did i'd like to save bands to fix the room. In adition it's kind of weird to spend this much and buy such a good speaker and have to aditionally "correct" it. I'd prefer to buy something cheaper and do that. But yeah, makes since, you never know exactly how it'll turn out just plugging the ports. But maybe Erin would've tried it or was willing to.
@jasonc331 18 күн бұрын
Question Erin, Do you keep the Philharmonic HT out of comparison because you measured it rather than reviewed it?
@ErinsAudioCorner 18 күн бұрын
Nope. I didn't review it so I don't talk about. I only measured it for a fee. I won't offer reviews for anything that I did for pay. That's a major integrity foul.
@fonkenful 18 күн бұрын
👏👏 which we appreciate as much as the thoroughness of your measurements, and correlation of those to your subjective listening impressions. While there’s no shortage self appointed audio gurus - a phenomena that precedes the internet by decades- who will bemoan this approach, as well as Ron’s very carefully presented sound clips. Can’t wait for further reviews by the regular suspects - we all have our short list of favourites there. 😂 Cheers
@jasonc331 18 күн бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner Hopefully you can review the streamline (curved version) I am beyond impressed with these speakers.
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