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HiFi In-Wall Speaker Shootout! The results will floor (wall?) you!!! 😳
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@Thomas..Anderson Жыл бұрын
25:28 This is just my opinion but I think that a narrow vertical directivity is not bad. Of course it depends on usage Is it stereo hi-fi speaker or part of a 6 speaker home cinema system? For stereo speaker I would prefer speaker with constant not to wide horizontal and vertical directivity. Vertical directivity should not be laser tight because you listen to music sitting down, standing up or even lying on a couch. 60-90° range for vertical seems ok to me. For horizontal dispersion I would go for 90-120°. The point is to minimize early reflection and energy directed towards the room. For home cinema I would prefer narrow vertical dispersion because audience is sitting down and wide horizontal dispersion 120-180°to cover all the audience. Combine that with acoustic treatment for home cinema room and you maximize direct sound vs reflected sound.
@adeeo 10 ай бұрын
Could you test the DYNAUDIO inwalls please?
@conduit242 2 жыл бұрын
Erin just pantsed the entire industry for their lazy in wall engineering. And we thank you for that 👍
@stopthefomo 2 жыл бұрын
The latest Monoprice THX in wall would be a contender!!
@hereforthechips7710 Жыл бұрын
I am a MK SOUND dealer. The IW150s are very much a current product and retail for $2200. As a professional, you definitely have to make adjustments to frequency due to room variations. Good review. Glad you put so many brands up that are INVISIBLE to the average consumer.
@angussmall 2 жыл бұрын
Erin, I can’t thank you enough for all of this!!! No one reviews in walls and I am glad the one that does is you! I love your honesty and how clearly you explain everything in a way that makes it easy to compare. You are helping a lot of us out here and I hope you continue this incredible work! Your channel is among my all time favorite!!
@Pitbull0669 2 жыл бұрын
I have set this before and I will say it again myself and a lot of the older Reviewers from all different publications respect the hell out of you We love the fact that you are humble and extremely educated And do not look down on anybody Getting into the hobby or wanting to learn. Thank you so much for what you do buddy By far the most refreshing guy out there
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, man! I appreciate you!
@Pitbull0669 2 жыл бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner trust me we appreciate you!! No magic beans required lol 😉
@Nightjar726 8 ай бұрын
Dude. Honestly. You are invaluable to the audio community. You should have DOUBLE the subscribers of people like The A. You tell things the way they are. Your reviews potentially save people tons of money and can give them the right direction. Keep up the kick ass work !
@joentell 2 жыл бұрын
This one is interesting because of how drastically different the speakers measure.
@angussmall 2 жыл бұрын
I used to frown upon in walls that didn’t have back boxes. That’s what we are taught. This is incredibly valuable information to have! And it’s not that they are bad they just must be designed and sized right. But that looks like it’s rare. I really expected more from many of these speakers. Many of them were high on my internet list. I’ve been regularly checking for this video. You knocked it out the park! Thanks again!
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, I thought the same thing. This review was really eye opening for me in this regard.
@avnut5517 2 жыл бұрын
I do appreciate how much time and effort you put into all these tests and especially the listening evaluations. Interesting that price did not assure performance. Thank you for calling out bad ones. I really need you to test the SCL-2.
@xpidex3399 2 жыл бұрын
Just amazing! Excellent work and the community really appreciates what you do. You had the 3 that were on my short list so now deciding time of KEF vs JBL. Again,I can’t said enough thank you sir!!!!!!
@elongatuspiranha 2 жыл бұрын
No one can do in walls/in ceilings like Erin. Great job!
@martin.krencey 2 жыл бұрын
Erin, just want to say I’m eternally grateful for the work you do man. It’s highly appreciated. You’re an awesome guy. Your humble attitude rocks mister. Loving your content. You seem like a super great guy. Very relatable and genuine. It’s something very special indeed. Wish you all the best even through the tougher times.
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 жыл бұрын
Awwww shucks. ☺️
@Techthusiasm 2 жыл бұрын
Nice! I was puckering in my seat watching and waiting for hopeful positives about the performance of the Focal after having outfitted my entire theater and then my living room with the 1000 series and that IWLCR6 model specifically for all my mains. Kind of a bummer. Would have rather had glowing results. I see similar characteristics in my raw measurements. Anthem ARC in both rooms though does very well handling the speaker for Harman-esque custom curves with the AVM70 and the STR. I'm very pleased with my system and its integration nonetheless. We can still be friends, LOL. 😀
@bigjack79 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. It all normally sounds good at the end of the day. I’m sure your rooms sound amazing
@twistacatz 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this Erin, the results were super enlightening. If possible one day it would be awesome if you could review some of the Triad inwall speakers. They seem to be super popular on AVS and I have always wondered how they would fair on the KLIPPEL. It goes without saying but you are the man!
@Pete.across.the.street 2 жыл бұрын
Damn man, that's a lot of work. This is some great information! Thank you so much for your hard work.
@themafia3119 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully reviews like this will make the manufacturers step up their game rather than their prices. Great video
@davekallerae5672 2 жыл бұрын
Finally some measurements of these so called highend speakers. Awesome work 👍.
@timg3580 2 жыл бұрын
I'm an on wall/ceiling guy (JBL 9300) and before I went that way I so wanted in walls as they are much more room friendly. But also as a 2 channel box speaker guy I could never convince myself that you could get the same performance from in walls. Dollars for dollars aside. Huge amount of work you have done here and am hugely grateful. Subscribed.
@datdudeinred 2 жыл бұрын
Love the honesty. Guys like thomas & stereo & cheapaudioman and many more don't even say the name of brand which sounded bad for eg at a show or heard at their friends house[thomas & stereo]. Thank you erin for keeping it real. Love your honesty.
@xavdeman 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah too many reviewers shy away from handing out negative reviews. But those are so important for informing consumers which products to avoid, so they can find better products. Very happy to see that Erin is honestly recommending against MartinLogan, Focal and B&W.
@bassxtcy 2 жыл бұрын
This type of information simply doesn’t exist anywhere else. Thanks for the effort you put in!
@falxonPSN 2 жыл бұрын
Great review as usual Erin! At the end of the day, it seems like the results overall are not very surprising. In walls will never be the same quality as a speaker with a defined enclosure based on its characteristics. However it's interesting that the two budget models do as well as they do while all the expensive ones turned out to be pretty crappy except for the KEF.
@Hitokiri_Ace 2 жыл бұрын
Learned a good bit, as I never see any reviews/data for in-walls. Thanks for doing this Erin. Appreciate it!
@tharrigan5661 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I have the Revel W990's for my LCR, W893's for the sides and C783's for the atmos. Amazing sound for both movies and music. I have an Anthem 1140X with a Krell Amp to drive the LCR's. I was able to do a blind test of 6 different brands at the installers location and the Revel's came out on top. Everyone's ears are different and I would recommend, if at all possible, to do a blind test. You might be surprised as to what you like when you don't know the brand you're listening to. Love the Revels. Oh, and if you can afford it, JL Audio's inwall subs are amazing.
@robotstonka7118 11 ай бұрын
I love my Anthem 1140 MRX too, but I always liked Focal sound, so my front is Sopra 3, which is connected to Pass Labs XA30.8 with xp-12 preamp. At the rear are my first Focal speakers, Electra 1008be, then Sopra centre. I just bought 4x 1000series ICW6 to complete atmos. I'm planning to build diy surround speakers with two more ICW6. I'm addicted to beryllium as you can tell😄, so it will be all around me. For sub, I have Rel 812S and I plan to buy a second one mainly to complete my stereo. My priority was always good stereo system, so home cinema was really an afterthought, but now I definitely appreciate surround more.
@yvesboutin5604 2 жыл бұрын
Wow! There are a lot of surprises about in-wall speakers, bad ones for the most part! You point very expertedly all the pitfalls and caveats of putting ready-made speakers without proper analysis of the sound characteristics of each design. At the price point (mostly over 1000$ each), I was expecting a more balance sound and a much better dispersion. Thanks for sheding some light on a huge portion of the audiophile spectrum we never hear about!
@MRB1910 2 жыл бұрын
I heard the Flagship Focal inwalls along with the matching inwall subs at Axpona 2022. While I was initially surprised with the dynamics and sheer volume output capabilities, they did sound boomy too. Very boomy. I’m shocked at this price point they would sound that bad.
@whatever_12 Жыл бұрын
I always wondered what would happen if you put a bookshelf speaker in wall? Could put some foam around it with some type of custom mount case for the 2inch that will stick out the wall. An Arendal 19.. would be interesting to see, Since those in wall already cost a fortune
@OHMAudioChannel 2 жыл бұрын
Eeeesh, I makes me scared to consider in-walls for the next iteration of my HT build. Hopefully we can find a diamond in the rough when looking at some more budget friendly options.
@xavdeman 2 жыл бұрын
Get on-wall speakers.
@Risandi_Pradipto Жыл бұрын
Can't thank you enough for another well-explained informative video. It's so great to see how you make it more easily accessible for people to get better insight prior to buying speakers. Keep up the good works. Better days ahead.
@robbrayton8077 2 жыл бұрын
Nice review Erin! I cannot believe how poorly integrated those more expensive designs were. The responses were unacceptable for that price, and seemingly poorly executed crossovers. Very surprised and now more informed!
@scientificaudiophile 2 жыл бұрын
I'm betting the most expensive speaker is the best. That's how good reviewers choose the best. No need to listen or measure.
@avnut5517 2 жыл бұрын
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@ErinsAudioCorner 2 жыл бұрын
Dammit. I could’ve saved myself a lot of time if I had known that.
@kompira8586 2 жыл бұрын
When they say - "It's good for the price range", without even giving you a real shortcoming, I know I've wasted my time with that review.
@FrankieKennethL 2 жыл бұрын
Disappointed to see these results on a few of the speakers that were on my short list. Erin, when are you doing the Triad Speakers?
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 жыл бұрын
I believe they are en route.
@kentlarsen578 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing breakdown! I suspect the high Q drivers in small boxes is to impress right of the bat and make them easy to install, but yes its really a shame when price tag is at a few grand. Best breakdown I have ever seen for wall and ceiling speakers, thank you!
@peerguy 2 жыл бұрын
Erin - you did it again. Very interesting choice of in walls and relevant for today’s home theater’s where WAF rating is important
@rms_6401 8 ай бұрын
Stage detail of Miller Kreisel is just on another level. Maybe SNR, or DB senistivity measures different from others, but in reality when put together you get another dimension in sound from MK. I was watching one scene many times for testing and only after i put MK SUR55 and LCR950 i realised that this scene has a rain sound, then looked closeley and here you go there was a rain outside the window in the scene which i never seen before after watching it 100 times, numbers do not tell full sotry, but real sound does. Maybe thats why MK is mostly used in Atmos studios.
@bartl006 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see some triad speakers reviewed/measured if you can get your hands on some. Seems they are a favorite of custom installers but I've yet to see any data... Makes you wonder if the CI guys know something we don't or maybe the margins are just that good!
@AKrumenacher 2 жыл бұрын
I had high hopes for the Focal 1000. Since you are saying you think the enclosure might be a limiting factor, I really now wonder how the much less expensive Focal 300 series with the flax drivers would compare to the Focal 1000 series. Since those are open backed, there is an opportunity for the user to build their own, larger back box to maybe help with some of the resonances. It would be interesting to see what spending almost 3 times as much money really gets you.
@jortpeters6419 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah real shame, big fan of Beryllium tweeters, but seems like they just wasted the amazing drivers from their tower speakers in those.
@danielwander605 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. The Focal’s surprised me a bit since I’ve seen so much positive reactions to them online. People seem to covet those.
@radhaasrikantha7588 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your awesome work. It's good to see reviews that actually provide some value. WIll subscribe to your Patreon.
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that!
@rinaldosloan8291 2 жыл бұрын
Very satisfied with the Kef 3160, I’m using the 4100’s as my surrounds. Your research validates my AV guy recommendations. Thank you for your hard work.
@Trrs81 2 жыл бұрын
I'm considering the 3160's. Do you have them biamped? Are you using them strictly for home theater or are they double duty for 2 channel?
@rinaldosloan8291 2 жыл бұрын
@@Trrs81 no they aren’t bi-amped. Mostly for HT.
@Trrs81 2 жыл бұрын
@@rinaldosloan8291 are you enjoying them? What did you run before them?
@bradlee2594 2 жыл бұрын
Did you install with or without a DIY back box? Any thoughts regarding this?
@Nick-cs9dt 2 жыл бұрын
@@bradlee2594 You would need to sit them in a false or cavity wall. Kef stipulate the optimum volume area they need to have so just take that into consideration when you fit them. You don’t need a box.
@Tim_E88 22 күн бұрын
Hi Erin, great video. Well done. Could you please make a second in-wall video? Maybe you can get the Monitor Audio C2M on your test rig. Greetings from Germany, Tim
@allisonmendez6988 Жыл бұрын
You are the best speaker reviewer I ever heard on KZfaq you know your stuff thanks great review
@dubzy8334 8 ай бұрын
I am blown away by the in-depth review. It's funny I ended up here cuz I'm just looking for some front and rear speakers for my surround sound I already have a really nice set of speakers but I was thinking to go in wall and at this point I feel like I should just open up the enclosures of the speakers I have and build enclosures for in the wall I had no idea how expensive these things could get. Regardless of my budget problems thanks very much for your in-depth and honest review I learned a lot here
@ErinsAudioCorner 8 ай бұрын
Glad I could help!
@trevorprescott3040 2 жыл бұрын
Erin, super interesting video. Thank you for taking the time and energy to educate us. Just out of curiosity, any interest or plan to test any of the Monolith THX in walls? Would be interesting to see how they stack up against the much more expensive models you tested here.
@Halofan1111 2 жыл бұрын
Came here to say this as well! The LCR THX and the 275 versions are very appealing. I'm interested to see the horizontal dispersion of the LCR setup as well.
@runany1 2 жыл бұрын
I came here to say this also and he has tested MonoPrice before I see.
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 жыл бұрын
@@runany1 yea, they're supposed to send me some when they come back in stock.
@AZRob. 2 жыл бұрын
If they are anything like their subwoofers, they will be fantastic! I got the 12" THX, and couldn't be happier.
@randalllawkin 2 жыл бұрын
great I am to trying to pull the trigger on the thx monolith in walls
@gingerninja7187 Жыл бұрын
Hi with the miller and kreisel,these speakers are supposed to be paired with a subwoofer, they are not really designed to create low frequencies ,I use the s150 cabinet type and I believe these s150 are all about detail, that’s why film makers use them 🤷♂️🤔
@alexz1232 2 жыл бұрын
I think most companies are just reusing drivers from their bookshelf and tower speakers to save money. Sad but common, they won't spend any of their profit margin on a slightly better driver or crossover.
@HifiVega 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll never use an in wall speaker, but that being said I thoroughly enjoyed this video! Keep killing it homie
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, man!
@bbfoto7248 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again to everyone who loaned speakers to Erin to make this test and review possible!
@tristanstoker233 2 жыл бұрын
Erin thank you so much for this test! I have 5xJBL SCL-6, 4xJBL SCL-7, and 4xRevel 783s coming in this Friday. I was really splitting hairs if I should have gone with KEF over JBL and it looks like it would have been a win either way. I'm also really surprised that OEM backer boxes were a detriment, as the popular opinion is the exact opposite with little scientific evidence to back that opinion up. Really love this content as buying in-walls is often a guessing game for most people.
@burningsti 2 жыл бұрын
Why not completely timbre match the set up with SCL-8’s ? You made a great choice
@tristanstoker233 2 жыл бұрын
@@burningsti Good question! My ceiling slopes upward from the screen position towards the back of the room, so it made having an angled Atmos speaker difficult to position at the listening area. After doing some research I had found Revel was often used for Atmos in tandem with JBL Synthesis bed layer when mixing audio for Blu-ray. I'll reply to this thread if it sounds drastically different when sound moves from the bed layer to the Atmos.
@angussmall 2 жыл бұрын
@@tristanstoker233 How is your system? Wanted to check in to see how you like it? I'm hoping to get one too!
@tristanstoker233 2 жыл бұрын
@@angussmall So I just started doing sound tests this week and I love it. I'm running an Anthem MRX1140 and powering the base 7 channels with a Monolith 7x. I ended up having a toed in baffle wall built for the left and right so I am no longer going to use front wides. Even if I had double the budget I would still go with the same JBL Synthesis speakers. My room is pretty much finished aside from still being on the waitlist for an Epson LS12000/Sony 5000. Its painful testing a system I'm so happy with on an old 27inch monitor =p.
@angussmall 2 жыл бұрын
@@tristanstoker233 🤣🤣 Wow! I can imagine. That’s awesome to hear. What are your room dimensions? Looks like you will have one amazing setup! Glad it’s working out!
@MBroadus 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great review and info. I’ve been looking at the KEF for a while and there’s very little info.
@audfrknaveen2256 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Erin once again you made a pretty awesome job man !!!! Wonderful really 😊😊😊Love your work 😀😀😀👍
@anthonydickinson9293 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating!!! This is so incredibly helpful. Thank you for your time!!!
@wreckage-vs5jv 8 ай бұрын
I can hardly express how much audio scene owes to this whole new gen of objecti-philes like Erin or Amir or some others. It not easy to admit how we were fooled by industry and review "authorities" for decades. Most stuff is just plain physics. Which is dry matter. While an army of subjectivists has the full dictionary plus rosey poetry to sell stuff. Today I understand much better why some statements and claims always felt strange.
@bigdaddyumi Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate you making this video however it can you please make a video on how to understand this chart and terms in audio
@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын
Sure. Here is a playlist I have for all the measurements starting with frequency response: m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mtKkrcReqq3Yc5s.html
@Brian-dg4xp 2 жыл бұрын
Would love to see Paradigm and Triad in walls next. Great video!
@MntneerWVU 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, got to at least have the Triad's if he's doing upper end.
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 жыл бұрын
Triad Golds on currently en route. Hopefully they'll fit on my measurement rig.
@tallpaull9367 2 жыл бұрын
Speakercraft should be in the test, Origin Acoustics too
@healthynutster 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video: it managed to cover all the bases without getting in the weeds and was fair and honest in its appraisal. I installed some Goldenear SPS in walls in my living room (the little woman vetoed even book shelves), and installed the optional back boxes: they sound awful: boomy and muffled. I almost returned them, but tried them without the back boxes and they were much better (but nowhere near as good as the Triton floorstanders.) I’d like to see these reviewed, but I’m also looking forward to the upcoming Triad review. You sir are performing a valuable public service with these in wall reviews: I haven’t seen or heard of anyone else doing this: much appreciated!
@ViciousXUSMC 2 жыл бұрын
I have to say I really wish you could have included the Monoprice in-walls as I have there stand alone speakers and you reviewed for example the 365-C really well. If you can do an addendum at a later time for the Monoprice in-walls that would very much help me decide if i should do that for my next setup, or stay far away from them.
@lazz3446 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent , excellent review. Enjoyed this presentation very much. No b--s. Curious, the M&K did you mount it with the tweeters on the side? Would it be better with tweeters on top? Cheers.
@goffe2282 2 жыл бұрын
..... now..... amazing video..... could you please do one for in-ceiling speakers? :) They are a lot smaller, so maybe they work out a bit better. I have no idea.
@michaelh5722 2 жыл бұрын
Feeling good being a Kef owner right now!
@DavidSusiloUnscripted 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this. For more than a decade I keep telling people about the “crapiness” of in walls. Now I just need to point them to your direction.
@Luis-ob4xq Жыл бұрын
Erin, thank you so much for opening our eyes about these speakers ! I realy appreciate the time and efford you put into these test, to come up with your recommendations based on test valuations and not by the hipe manufacturers put in their product presentations ! I realy need your help and recommendation for ceiling speakers ! I don't have space for towers nor walls, with the exception for the center channel. The Focal 1000 ICLCR5 is an option I was looking into, but until I have your recommendation, I won't buy any ! Thank you so much for what you do ! Luis
@andrewbardwell1763 7 ай бұрын
You do remarkable work… I don’t think I’ve seen your equal on KZfaq. 👏👏👏
@TylerStout 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know why but this video had news reporter vibes with each speaker being the next story. Very interesting results. Makes me wonder if these brands measure well with their boxed lineups of bookshelf/towers. I've heard that B&W typically have a BBC dip and that's their thing.
@matsudakodo 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing the work to shed light on these speakers where otherwise little is known. Room correction would do wonders to flatten those massive bass bumps (done it with XT32), which in turn would also reduce the compression for speakers like the Focal. Fixing the other problems is of course not trivial.
@ElCidPhysics90 Жыл бұрын
Do they manufactures ever contact you to try and explain what’s going on with their speakers?
@dafederal Ай бұрын
Great detailed review! Any chance on a more budget friendly or midrange lineup?
@ErinsAudioCorner Ай бұрын
Thanks! I had planned to do that but when I moved, I had to take the set up down and didn’t have enough space for it to measure in wall speakers. There’s a possibility I might be able to with my new set up.
@Wright00000 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this Erin, I can tell it was a ton of work! Do you have any thoughts about in-wall speakers in general vs floorstanders? Do you consider it a significant compromise to use in-walls, especially in terms of soundstaging, or do the benefits of infinite baffle make up for it? I have a perfect wall for in-walls, but not sure if I'd lament a loss in performance?
@tallpaull9367 2 жыл бұрын
I have a set of Tantra 6 LCR, ported cast volcanic ash cabinets, dual 6” Seas Prestige woofers, 1” Seas Prestige tweeter in a d'appolito configuration. (upgraded crossover parts). Was a high end line made by Speakercraft which only lasted a couple of years, didn’t make it through the 2008 crash. There is also a model above, Tantra 8 LCR.
@SuperChevyNova69 2 жыл бұрын
Are you still using the Tantras? What do think of them?
@tallpaull9367 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperChevyNova69 yes, they’re great
@randalllawkin 2 жыл бұрын
THX certification that why the KEF did so well. Lot of work to get that certification. That's why I can't wait for the monolith speaker review
@we8463 2 жыл бұрын
Your channel rocks, thank you so much for doing all this work! Your reviews are outstanding and so helpful. Unbelievable that B&W is so crappy bug not surprising they have become just all about marketing. I wonder if the KEF will be even better when they upgrade them and have the metamaterial improvements!
@roccobruno8027 2 жыл бұрын
Such an honest review on a wide variety of in-wall speakers. I hope you're able to review the GoldenEar Invisa Signature Point Source one day.
@chandersson6975 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video Erin! Makes u wonder if Harman and KEF are the only ones that can actually design good speakers..?!? Ok, spill it..how much did they pay you..😉
@NebyHifiConceptAS 6 ай бұрын
You should test the new CI5160RLM-THX and CI3160RLM-THX! great test! would be interesting to se the measurements of the meta technology in-wall
@stianmale8964 2 жыл бұрын
Wonder if the cheaper alternatives from KEF also perform reasonably well?
@abdo-dr1tu 2 жыл бұрын
Erin don't you think you were a tiny bit harsh on some of your compression comments? I mean +/- 1dB on 102 dB is nothing to scoff at.
@gregworrel2623 Жыл бұрын
Good job Erin. I listen to the AV Rant podcast, and the guys on there are very knowledgeable generally but they are repeatedly insistent that in-wall speakers need an enclosure. They seem to think that a speaker without an enclosure is automatically going to be inferior and speakers just need an enclosure to sound good, even if you have to do your own DIY box in the wall. That has always struck me as false. I have been following speaker design since a subscription to Speaker Builder magazine in the 1980s. My own experience is that infinite baffle and open baffle can be very effective. Your measurements just confirm the fact that in-walls are more likely hurt by using an enclosure because they are almost always too small. I am somewhat surprised by the fact that even when the manufacturer supplies the box, they still use woofers that would benefit from a larger enclosure. Maybe they are counting on EQ to bring down the bass hump.
@sherazdotnet Жыл бұрын
Very informative episode. Great job. Very few reviews out there comparing them. Would be great to have your review for Line Array Speakers as well like JBL CBT 50/100/70.
@MikeYoungeasytravel 2 жыл бұрын
Great job Erin! I would be very curious about on wall surround speakers also, such as the Lyngdorf MH-2 or others. Thanks in advance.
@MarcusDolby 9 ай бұрын
I clicked on your video because you’re wearing a Duran Duran shirt. 😂
@philstevens9914 Ай бұрын
Where's James Loudspeaker in this review? James stomps allover all of these you reviewed.
@bfourney Жыл бұрын
Incredibly informative, I watched the whole thing. I'd love to see about a dozen more of these inwall test videos at every price point for all kinds of in-walls. Triad, Dynaudio, Elac, Sonance, CAT, Meridian, more budget focal models without enclosures, KEF Q Series, etc. etc. Do you have a recommended reasonably priced method to measure live installs? Would love to offer the best product options to my customers at different price points.
@drsankardas 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. I loved it. There is hardly anyone talking about in-wall speakers in KZfaq.Should we make a box in the dry wall for hooking up the open back revels?
@khursheedalam1421 2 ай бұрын
Something might be wrong with your measurements, listening space or the baffle wall you made. I don't know about technical stuff and measurements but I tell you this; I have had B&W 7 series for over 5 years now. They sound amazing, wonderful, super pleasant and just very nice. My friends, coworkers, relatives and mere acquaintances - all who visited me over the years, love the sound of them. They have been great companions in my journey. I had been so pleased with B&W, that a year ago I went ahead and bought B&W CT8 series speakers for my theater. Its a 9.4.4 system. I tell you what; its jaw dropping; from the drop of feather, a whisper, a sigh, a breath to the rumbling of earthquakes, blades of helicopters, a gorilla thumping its chest and stampede of dinosaurs you FEEL AND HEAR every detail. My home theater sounds and feels better than the demo theater of my local dealers. I respect the effort and the time you took to do all the comparison and I don't know about other brands but B&W for me has been great; I must mention the obvious that speakers can sound bad or good depending on other equipment and the room as well. So that's very important by itself. I'm sorry to say, your results of B&W measurements are just not relevant to my case.
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 ай бұрын
Or maybe you’re biased? 🤷♂️
@khursheedalam1421 2 ай бұрын
@@ErinsAudioCorner Given limitations of human brain that's possible. Also possible are these scenarios: your experiments are not properly controlled; may be your equipment is faulty; may be you're biased; may be you just didn't like my comment as it didn't agree with you.
@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah 26 күн бұрын
Lol the data is pristine as it is made with the industry standard rig that is in parts more accurate than an anechoic chamber and he listens before he measures so what he heard that clearly correlated to what was measured says he's less biased than you're since you have an emotional vested interest since you bought some of the ones that clearly weren't worth their money@@khursheedalam1421
@tombarber8013 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Erin for another excellent speaker review. An experiment that I think would be revealing is to compare the anechoic response of a high quality stand-mount speaker with its actual response when placed a couple of feet in front of a large flat baffle and (thirdly) with its actual response when placed directly against the large flat baffle and with panels placed at the sides of the speaker and the top and bottom, all tilted backward at 45 degrees from the baffle plane so as to blend the baffle to the wall a slight distance away from the speaker. I've never seen this experiment done but someone with the right skills and equipment could do it and it would be very interesting. I expect that the response with the speaker placed a couple of feet away from the large flat baffle will be very different from the anechoic response while the response with the speaker placed directly against the large flat baffle and using the panels will be a much closer match to the anechoic response, albeit with a bass boost compared to the anechoic response. Just some food for thought. Thanks again for your good work!
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 жыл бұрын
You might be interested in this review where I took the small Arendal bookshelf speaker measured it anechoic and then put it on a baffle to show what the response would be as if it were on a wall. Check it out. m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jcBmedygx5e0mJs.html
@tallpaull9367 2 жыл бұрын
For In-Wall speakers, Speakercraft has been a leader and OEM for many other companies for a long time
@tallpaull9367 2 жыл бұрын
I would also check out Origin Acoustics !
@josephfrye7342 4 ай бұрын
can you do the in-ceiling stereo speakers it's ceiling-mounted ones though since some walls might be busy with well shelves and cabinets though. however some wall or floor mounted speakers might be there in the industrial room or possibly one in some garage. while the gym or aqua pool room gets the array speakers including stereo like ones too.
@AchillesEconomou 2 жыл бұрын
Great work buddy but what about Klipsch In-Wall THX Series ? Shouldn't you include them on your review ?
@ErinsAudioCorner 2 жыл бұрын
If you wanna send me some to test then sure. These all came from owners/dealers who offered them up. Otherwise, maybe the next round. 👍
@we8463 Жыл бұрын
I am glad the KEF measure well, it’s interesting you didn’t spend as much time on KEF vs all the others! I love the fact that you call it as they are the most expensive speakers are so poorly designed!!
@deepanmurugan467 11 ай бұрын
Wow, that is a lot of work. Thank you for doing this, so insightful.
@japansh 4 ай бұрын
Awesome!!! Now we need Paradigm Elite E7 and Pro P5 as well as Perlisten and Monitor Audio Cinergy. I can provide the Paradigm
@kuntrybama90 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t have time to watch the whole video but I did drop a follow. Was there any mention of what speakers are recommended?
@pkhammu2005 Жыл бұрын
Hey Erin,did u notice that Perlisten is using ur results of In wall spkrs in their database to showcase how good it is? Read a Sound and vision article on Perlisten in walls where they have quoted ur work and theirs doesn't have all the negatives u quoted. Its a gr8 recognition of ur work 👍
@ErinsAudioCorner Жыл бұрын
I wasn't aware of that, but that's really cool! I'll see if I can find it. Thanks for the heads up!
@pkhammu2005 Жыл бұрын
Article is on Audiohilics not S&V..
@enriquecarrillo3909 Жыл бұрын
Very informative and comprehensive analysis of these speakers Erin. Have you looked at either the Klipsch R-5502 or the Definitive Technology in wall Rls II in-wall speaker? I’m curious what your thoughts on either of those might be. Thanks again.
@johnmoricone294 7 ай бұрын
Hi, I'm building a home theater and I've been researching and working with 3 different companies on speaker options. Each have there favorite brand (Focal, Klipsch and one even split the brand with Revel and can't remember many). I really enjoyed your breakdown. Would you consider helping me further if I provide more specific details about the layout and speaker recommendations?
@RESKAQ 6 ай бұрын
thank you for your work sir, very interesting review
@cardplayer85 2 жыл бұрын
Really enjoy these in wall videos; I am in the process of planning my theater build and this is very informative as demoing all options is actually impossible. You still planning on reviewing some Triad stuff?
@mndlessdrwer 2 жыл бұрын
If you get the opportunity to do another one of these in-wall comparisons, it'd be great to see if you could borrow a Dali Phantom S-280 to demo. Due to their massive size and passive radiators, they may be one of the few in-wall speakers that could potentially sound right with a sealed back box. Their downside is their immense size and their equally immense price. Definitely not for the faint of heart. Unfortunately, none of my local shops have any on demo, so I haven't had a chance to hear them myself.
@MaXMustermann-fw2vo 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Erin, I appreciate your work and your honest words! Do you have absorbers on the ceiling/walls? I could not see any, at least in the picture. I only ask because I saw a video that shows that even with a near field measurement, a hard surface in the environment makes a significant difference. Thank you and have fun with further tests!
@mixxeerr 2 жыл бұрын
fantastic review again. I cannot stand subjective only reviews from "hi end" audio anymore after discovering your reviews as well as ASR's reviews. I hate all the snake oil.
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