Hard tail for live, till you've got the money for a full sus, and than, full sus for life! haha (I'm still a cheapass with an old Cannondale Hardtail)

Hardtails are fun, and the part where it was mentioned that you can keep up with the full suspension riders means you're really good is a confidence booster. You should check out this company called Psynyde, it's a local brand from India making aggressive mountain bikes

Bad back, gnarly trails, full sus.

I’m fortunate enough to have both. I love riding both and chop and change between with no bother. Full sus gets less use in the winter slop 👍🏻

Both

More playful, more feedback?? Gtfo... Compressed spine? Yesss

Jck Dnls Go have a great time on your dual sus, so will us hardtail owners. They are both bikes and we are all a community 👍

@@mh_mtb686 yeah, it's aboit the ride

@@mh_mtb686 hardtails are sick i got a ragley mmmbop hardtail 160mm travel surprisingly really smooth and a 63.8 degree head angle feels great and is so easy to throw around

@@tim_mtb3551 nice ive got the plan to build one myself. did you buy the complete one?

Actually poor would be a shit BSO, a full rigid bike like a classic 26 or single speed.

This must be the most honest comment here LOL

no it should have been e full sus bike for the posh

Well I’m not “privileged,” I just work hard so I started on a full sus and now I have a hardtail. I have either to choose from for how I’m feeling and what trails I’m hitting.

Crazy: lots of high-specced hardtails 😄

I think the whole debate about hardtail making you better has one big flaw, that people dont think about. When riding the same trails you will go a lot faster on a full suspension bike, and improve your skills that way. Hardtails have their place and are good for training, but not in the way that people think.

@@obi-wankenobi9871 riding a hardtail makes you faster because you learn how to ride smoother and can transfer those skills on a fs and be faster

@@trelane751 on raw race FS also ride maximally smooth. Difference in amount - for FS big raw, for HT small raw ")

​@@obi-wankenobi9871 I actually think there's something you didn't quite think about, with all due respect. What you said is true, people will go faster on a FS. And how is that a good thing for a beginner? Because even a beginner will go faster. He's gonna f up at some point. And god forbid he hits a nice tree at speed and breaks his spine.

Proving what point? That you're a better rider than someone? I thought we rode bikes for fun, not to make others feel bad about them selves.

@@Shralps Yes to prove a point that you don't need big DH rigs to have fun and ride fast. If you don't like that then tough i couldn't care less pal!

@@Shralps I think having an expensive bike is more than an asshole than being super fit. I won't feel bad for someone who is better than me, but I will certainly feel bad if someone is rubbing his full suspension on my face

N+1 and S-1 rules for sure

Damn it, now I can't afford my rent!

Get hardtail and Downhill bike. Perfect combo

@@W1NN0-48 Depends on what type of riding you do. But for learning and developing skills a hardtail imo is better. Unless u are doing like competitive Mtb'ing Then in some cases a hardtail would be in a big enough disatvantage. 9 times out of 10 its the ridee who needs to improve, not the Bike.

Gunnar Kranenburg and why not a bmx, you might not ride it but hey it’s a another bike

But ill choose a full sus over a hardtail

Worldwide Cyclery That’s because you are a retailer and you don’t sell hardtails. Therefore you are posting this comment from a business perspective.

wouldn't have mattered but would have been great for a click bait title.

go check you tube channel Clint Gibbs he has got some great comparison between different types of bikes

The frame spec could be similar, although if you compare higher price beasts it could be different. For example, the giant trance (a full squish aluminium 29er, around 3600 Australian dollars) and the giant xtc advanced 29er (a carbon hardtail at around 3600 Australian dollars). The trance has a one by 11 Shimano slx drive train, while the xtc has sram gx eagle one by 12 drivetrain, which for the hardtail is pretty much a whole step up from the full squish. So the hardtail is lighter, stronger and has a better drivetrain while the full squish is heavier, technically weaker, but does mean you have more suspension to soak up harsher trails. The full suspension bike can take you down rock gardens and go off step up and step downs easily. Although the hardtail, while arguably better at jumping, would be much more difficult to go over rough terrain like big logs and rocks. Personally I would own a hardtail over a full sus but that’s my opinion, I just find full squishes a bit sensible and I find I have much more fun on a hardtail. Each to their own though.

epic - is a sport CC machine developed to be better than HT. Commonly FS bikes more like enduro class.

Svenmpa no you don’t

@@moof_1957 mad?

I see hardtails that are just as expensive as entry fulls. Makes no sense

@@theyeticlutch3486 hard tails are almost always cheaper. take an entry level hard trail and an entry level full sus and the full sus will 10/10 times more expensive

Just bought one today! Can't wait to hit the trails with it.

Just never carry your wallet while riding. He'll demand a refund.

I've been borrowing a friend's full-suspension MTB for a while, but now I got myself a hard-tail hybrid just for fitness training around the city, not a real MTB. I've noticed that the seat now suddenly transmits every little bump (even slight street bumps) directly to my bum bones, and it hurts like hell. Is this normal for a hard-tail hybrid bike at the beginning? And will it get better with time?

@@ce7857 You can try replacing the saddle with a specialized cushioned one for less pressure. I'm assuming that from using your friend's full suspension MTB you are probably used to the easy pressure but your muscles should adjust over time. Small tip: When approaching bumps, you should lift your backside just a little so all the energy traveling through the bike wouldn't go full power into your backside. Hope this helps!

@@ce7857 if you aren’t wearing a chamois, get a pair of liner shorts with one.

@@ce7857 its not normal, check the pressure of the rear tire

Maybe they enjoy different things than driving fast.

It's an even better feeling when you are riding an entry level hardtail

Don't sell your car just get the one that you can buy

@@ryanchadwick7053 I think that was a joke. That said, a good MTB can be under 1,000 USD

Just bought a used bike for $300 specialized big hit

I add HT several times, but have no a lot of time to ride on several bike simultaneously. Now i sold HT and use trail FS all time (summer and winter).

Exactly my thoughts, I wanted a decent-good hard tail instead of a shitty old full suspension, I grew up poor and my job rn doesn’t make me to much money and I got bills so I thought it was nice to just get a decent to good hard tail

Or take off the brakes. You will be faster either way

this is what I do.... Im on a 26" hardtail and i ride in front of 29" and 27" full sussers so we can ride together... im not as fast on the hardtail but im not so slow they dont have fun so its a win win.

Lmao

You could also suggest riding uphill.

gray rey how’s the maintenance though?For me I really don’t like having to constantly service a bike. Thinking of maybe getting a trance or a ht

Theres a very good reason for not getting one, because you don't have enough money

Better in every way? ....a lot of people say otherwise

@@SC68170 I'm telling you man.. the comfort and speed and shit is amazing.. I mean of ur on a tame trail a hardball can be awesome but full is the way to go

@@gray7890 Never had a FS so I'm just going off what others say. Basically that HT is better on less technical trails putting power down and better uphill. I wish I knew first hand. Was going to buy a FS but was steered away from it cause of my weight. 6'4 270 said it wouldn't benefit me as much and said 250 or less is ideal For FS. Had 2 shops tell me that. So I bought an aggressive Santa Cruz Chameleon hardtail yesterday. We'll see. But so far so good just testing it around town up and down hills. I would love to experience a FS one day tho so I can decide if its really worth it or not

You can’t go anywhere near as fast tho

@@thomas_229 not everyone is into going super fast lol, some people like to have fun going down huge jumps and getting that responsive feeling which makes you feel relieved you did it

@@thomas_229 why would I want to go fast? Hardtails make trails more challenging so going slow is just as fun. I'd say a lot safer too, especially for a beginner.

The other way

@@farbenfrohesgrau4056 I'm starting out and honestly I got headache from confusion.

@@mohammedsalimahmed5230 same but most people are saying start on a hard tail. plus my bank account seems to agree as well

@@Jaysee2164 hahahaha

Actually even a fully has been proven to be faster on XC. Which is also why you see the fastest XC pros such as Nino Schurter riding full suspesion bikes and why you see fullies winning nearly all World Cups and Olympics.

Lol, i got told the same thing. Im 6'4 270 and was told by shops around the greater Chattanooga, tn area that a FS would not benefit me as much until I'm 250. I think 1 of the shops said uphill would be slower on FS also..But 3rd shop in east ridge said it was no problem as long as i had a good rear suspension...so idk. Another shop tried selling me a bike with 27.5 wheels but have been told that I should only buy bikes that are 29ers so who the F knows. Started with a HT rockhopper. Frame busted cause I'm a fat F (they never seen it crack there😂). Just bought a HT Santa Cruz Chameleon ...seems like a step up just from a short ride around my local park. We'll see when I take it out on some MTB trails...pretty confident about it tho feels good. Feels better on inclines especially with a dropper

I’m going from a Gary fisher paragon 26” wheel to either a trek roscoe 9 hardtail or fuel ex 8 full suss but struggling to make the expensive decision , I’ve tried a full suss orange stage 5 with 29” wheel and a sentier 27.5, and the 29” i feel you just point the bike and it goes over and am thinking do I need the full suss

This

I think a decent shifting and handling hardtail frame with dropper is likely 2k+ and the same full suspension is at least 3k+ online or in the bike shop. Sun tour and deore make decent products, but I'm thinking 3 years in front of me, riding at least 40 miles a week. You can't reasonably asses that without at least some high end basics like moderately decent components.

No, not all, but in mountainbiking it makes a huge diffrence.

Everything that goes up, must come down.

Need or should? Do you ride hard?

@ 123phobia. So are you riding a hardtail now? Or did you keep the stumpjumper and or replace it with another fs?

Use this comment to dislike above ^^

You work so why don't you just buy it yourself.

Not if you have a higher end hardtail which generally run tubeless these days…

Why is carbon an argument to buy the bike? Geometry, components and weight are much more important. Just because its carbon doesnt mean its significantly lighter.

Exactly correct! What if bikes were made of high strength marshmallow? You still need to pedal it and carry your body around! And why were guys in the 90's having so much fun? Because they weren't gear fags, and just rode whatever and drank a six pack with their bros after demolishing a sick trail!