Organised by our Educational Partner, Norwich University of the Arts, Stuart Ashen joined us at the Gaming Festival in 2017 to talk about Hareraiser and explore just why it could well be the worst game ever.
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@dylanmaldet66432 жыл бұрын
Thankfully, this story had a happy ending! After the failure of Masquerade, Kit Williams decided to try again and did everything possible to ensure no one could possibly pull a Dugald Thompson. He released a book with no title where the puzzle was to discover the title of the book. The prize(A gold Queen Bee statue and a copy of the book that actually had the title)would go to whoever could figure it out and come up with the most creative(non-verbal)way of sending the title to Williams himself. In the end, Steve Pearce sent in a small decorated handmade cabinet that revealed the title when the handle was turned and walked away with his rightfully won Queen Bee statue and uniquely titled copy of "The Bee On The Comb".
@WeirdWonderful Жыл бұрын
I kinda wonder how that would have worked, since there are laws and regulations in place, both for copyright as well as other technicalities and rules XD
@Vangror8 ай бұрын
I guess he also learnt not to bury anything from the previous puzzle because treasure hunters were often trespassing on private property and at times, digging in people's gardens which caused a lot of complaints from angry property owners
@notacaulkhead3 ай бұрын
@@WeirdWonderfulI reckon you wonder about a lot of things 🙄
@originaluddite3 ай бұрын
I also feel that the art itself is better in the bee book (as many still call it).
@jentzi237 жыл бұрын
It makes me sad that they cheated the physics people. The pendant is really beautiful.
@mistahsusan26507 жыл бұрын
they didn't cheat them, the couple never submitted their answer to the creator, so ...
@caolan10836 жыл бұрын
It made me sad that they conned Kit too.
@MJFallout5 жыл бұрын
Well, arguably the physics people weren't cheated as they had bungled their dig and the submitting of the answer before Mr a.k.a. Thomas even had a chance of getting involved. Kit was cheated though, sorry to hear, too.
@KasumiRINA5 жыл бұрын
It's an interesting result though!.. Not only it proven that someone with insider information would be the winner eventually, we also have the case of people who actually solved the puzzle but decided to keep it to themselves instead of submitting the answer. Tells much more about human nature than a straight win would've.
@mitchmitchell9285 жыл бұрын
I don't think you were required to submit the answer to the writer. But the quest was designed that way so that people around the world could "participate" in the quest. Otherwise the quest would've been too expensive for most people to participate.@@KasumiRINA
@Torthrodhel6 жыл бұрын
Hareraiser: £8.95 Hareraiser Season Pass: £8.95
@JasperJanssen5 жыл бұрын
Uhhh... what, you think you would just get the second game in the series for free!?
@amanbytheway4 жыл бұрын
Haresoft walked so EA could run
@GenerationLex4 жыл бұрын
@The Jester - Fool Of Hearts nah, the correct price for the DLC would be $59.99
@DelphieNEhuntah4 жыл бұрын
by EA
@SonplaysMinEcraft4 жыл бұрын
first documented pay to win game
@massivepileup7 жыл бұрын
Some plonker released a game on Steam that was supposedly a really hard puzzle with 16 levels. Nobody ever solved the first level because it's so haaaaaard. Disassembly showed that the game was just one level copy-pasted 16 times and there was no level change logic (or indeed game logic) implemented at all.
@LeeONardo7 жыл бұрын
Is that the certain game that Jim Sterling featured? Sounds extremely similar.
@massivepileup7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he has a video on it. I cannot remember the name though.
@davidjames5795 жыл бұрын
They could be sued over this I'm assuming.
@NickolasHunter5 жыл бұрын
I'm still trying to find this game you talk about...
@weyen16025 жыл бұрын
Sounds like "Journey of the Light"
@FhtagnCthulhu7 жыл бұрын
I did not expect that to be as fascinating as it ended up being.
@justin-ht9gy6 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. Fell bad for poor Kit Williams, had a wonderful idea full of passion and some low-life cheat robbed him of a moment.
@GlenGlingo95 жыл бұрын
I'd like to know what happened to Thompson and Guard, their actions must've led to criminal proceedings.
@satan39594 жыл бұрын
I did, it'd Ashens...he can even make an Al Gore speech look tolerable
@creopictures4 жыл бұрын
Felt the same. Hell, this could make for the plot of a pretty decent movie.
@millenniumf11384 жыл бұрын
I was as surprised by that as I was that a video about a game which is called "the worst game ever" didn't have a single curse in it.
@draconomorphus4137 жыл бұрын
The game was so bad, he essentially gave a TED talk about it. That's how bad it was.
@dragonmartijn5 жыл бұрын
It was better than a TED talk.
@ccaagg5 жыл бұрын
That moment when people don't know what a lecture is anymore and just call them TED talks.
@petersage51575 жыл бұрын
That moment when people don't know what a colloquium is.
@charlesajones775 жыл бұрын
People like TED talks. They do NOT like lectures. Even if the content is exactly the same.
@hitmanwolf5 жыл бұрын
people like TED Talks cause they are on the INTERNETz, and not in School...z.
@Daracdor5 жыл бұрын
Kit Williams did an un named book quest in the 80`s which with puzzles & pictures you had to find the title . It had a story based around the seasons and the result one season ousting out the next . The idea of the competition was to find the name of the book & convey it without using words . My entry got into the finals with many amazing others , I had to go to London to retrieve it . The name of the book was " The bee on the comb " so I made a bee hive , a large one which I had to carry on the tube with lots of dubious looks from fellow travellers .
@Artoveli4 жыл бұрын
Green Man I love Bee on the Comb! It's so cool that you were one of the people who sent in an entry. By the time I encountered that book the contest was long over. Still a really fun puzzle to work through though!
@nswhorse4 жыл бұрын
That is a genuinely cool story. Dirty looks or no, I'm sure it must have been a blast.
@originaluddite3 ай бұрын
Just today watched a clip here on KZfaq of the finale on Wogan. Entertaining stuff and very creative responses from you and the other best entrants.
@johnclavis7 жыл бұрын
I'm old. I had the book as a child, and later I was able to buy Bamber Gascoigne's book and learned the whole sordid story of Ken Thomas. What a disappointing end to a beautiful story. I'm glad Kit Williams and the pendant are still around!
@kos29196 жыл бұрын
Party Bot If he want to he can make a new book and jewellery and challenges the new generation in another treasure hunt.
@caolan10836 жыл бұрын
I was actually really sad to hear about Kit getting conned, I hope it all worked out for him.
@Problembeing4 жыл бұрын
Party Bot I had it too, and another book that was a companion guide, which I still have.
@softdorothy4 жыл бұрын
@@caolan1083 Yeah, but honestly, he was successfully beyond his imagination. No one saw the success of his book coming when he first conceived of and created it. Millions of people stated and started at his artwork. Call it a win for Kit. A let down for all the puzzle-hunters.
@sploofmcsterra47864 жыл бұрын
@@caolan1083 sad for the physics teachers too
@Jackalblade97 жыл бұрын
This was an amazing story.
@jabelsjabels7 жыл бұрын
really enthralling!
@TobyCowles7 жыл бұрын
'An excellent story'
@Jackalblade97 жыл бұрын
I sit corrected, sir, an excellent story indeed!
@rushguy16 жыл бұрын
An excellent realization
@twinostrich80456 жыл бұрын
'An excellent back-and-forth'
@markiangooley7 жыл бұрын
Glad I viewed this. Stuart is a fine storyteller and I hadn't known the whole story of Masquerade or even heard of Hareraiser before.
@hentosama7 жыл бұрын
The next Michael Rosenberg D: (you tube video story telling fame)
@Karmy.6 жыл бұрын
Oscar Velazquez and YTP fame
@ZenPunk6 жыл бұрын
who would have known the man who throws old food on his couch and plays with bad chinese toys was such a gifted essayist
@tiagodarkpeasant6 жыл бұрын
the only thing that caught my attention, was the word hareraiser, because i tough it was related to hell raiser
@MediaMunkee4 жыл бұрын
I had an art/storybook very much like Masquerade, right down to the picture borders with letters, but self-contained and of a complexity that a child could reasonably solve. I don't have it anymore nor any clue what it was called, but it's interesting to know it was probably inspired by this whole mess.
@Johanniscool4 жыл бұрын
Plot twist, the spelling of “puzle” is the first clue
@radarsock4 жыл бұрын
Explain more
@alphonsetudor88704 жыл бұрын
@@radarsock The first clue to provide thee a glance that the initiator of this Hareraiser programme was an illiterate, dumb-ass, and irresponsible clown.
@meetoo5947 жыл бұрын
Heh, I remember how annoyed landowners and councils got due to people trespassing and digging up random bits of land thinking the hare was buried there. Williams got a lot of flak for that iirc.
@softdorothy4 жыл бұрын
Yes, Kit had to publicly declare that the treasure was not buried on private property. (Least of all his own property as plenty of treasure hunters descended on his garden.)
@ninototo14 жыл бұрын
Sounds like the whole pokemon go debacle
@KnakuanaRka Жыл бұрын
@@ninototo1 My thoughts too. ;3
@jman32677 жыл бұрын
If you're intimidated by the 38 minute video I still recommend you watch it. There's very little fluff. This dumb game just has that much of an interesting history behind it. And it's not just the usual "Oh no we tried to make a game but we didn't know it would take up so much time/money so we had to put it out unfinished"
@natgrant13647 жыл бұрын
Stuart Ashen can do damned near anything for 38 minutes and make it interesting.
@KOTYAR07 жыл бұрын
jman3267 It was 38 minutes? Holy damn, I haven't even noticed
@OdaSwifteye7 жыл бұрын
PFT. I've watched the five hour livestream he did! This is child's play!
@jordanferries9107 жыл бұрын
It's ashens I'd watch 38 mins of him saying Italian music
@yesticles7 жыл бұрын
I watched it at half speed because the longer Stuart talks, the better.
@MuchWhittering7 жыл бұрын
That truly was a terrible old game I'd never heard of.
@agfagaevart5 жыл бұрын
not a game.
@CodeDashie5 жыл бұрын
It was just a very expensive interface
@mssj1524 жыл бұрын
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@mssj1524 жыл бұрын
Should I like to destroy it?
@ateszkoma944 жыл бұрын
"Told you it was awful." Best ending of a presentation!
@Agamemnon27 жыл бұрын
The story of Masquerade was truly fascinating, and what a sad thing that somebody actually got the answer absolutely correct and didn't know it.
@eartianwerewolf7 жыл бұрын
I read 'Hareraiser' and thought it was a parody of the Hellraiser series with rabbits. Ah well.
5 жыл бұрын
That would have been a better game.
@HaydenX5 жыл бұрын
Lagobites?
@sigmacademy5 жыл бұрын
Do you really want the SPCA to have a NERVOUS BREAKDOWN/PSYCHOTIC BREAK? :P
@GmodPlusWoW5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, my first thought was that it was some sort of sidescrolling beat-em-up where you played a rabbit and simply could not control it, coupled with one-hit deaths and things you couldn't possibly react to. A bit like Oriental Hero if you remember the Terrible Old Games video series.
@jessecatrainham69574 жыл бұрын
No, that would be Watership Down for the Atari 2600 XD
@Obstreperous_Octopus5 жыл бұрын
Me, 36 minutes ago: "Worst Game Ever" are strong words. I mean, that's a very low bar to slide under. Me, just now: I am sorry I doubted you.
@sidarthur87064 жыл бұрын
imagining the thought processes of the creators puts me in a dark frame of mind
@BknMoonStudios4 жыл бұрын
@@sidarthur8706 At the very least it's not as evil as the guys who sold radioactive water, claiming it had healing properties, and gave cancer to many innocent people.
@sigma66564 жыл бұрын
@@BknMoonStudios Sure, but who the hell buys radioactive water expecting good things?
@BknMoonStudios4 жыл бұрын
@@sigma6656 People who didn't have access to public education and lived in the middle of last century?
@sigma66564 жыл бұрын
@@BknMoonStudios Ahh right, "Eben Byers, a wealthy American socialite, athlete, industrialist and Yale College graduate, died from Radithor radium poisoning in 1932.[5] Byers was buried in a lead-lined coffin; when exhumed in 1965 for study, his remains were still highly radioactive." No access to public education certainly was the problem.
@daveweeks47482 жыл бұрын
Great talk, thanks for uploading. Interestingly, at 9:18 he explains the words 'frog' and 'stone' didn't mean anything, but there is a picture in the book (#3) showing the hare sitting on a flat rock with frog’s eyes. In Ampthill Park, near St. Catherine's cross, there is a stone nicknamed the 'frogstone' for its rounded, lumpy shape (although apparently Kit Williams was unaware of this rock).
@LAGGANGGAMING3 ай бұрын
Worst talk. The host is so unfunny and boring. My gosh
@imallergictobullets2 ай бұрын
We’re damn at good at seeing patterns. There’s probably other things you can find that pointed to that area that Williams didn’t intend.
@tommsey_ttv2 ай бұрын
@@LAGGANGGAMING Yeah all that laughter from the audience, famously the sound of boredom.
@Petereteo4 күн бұрын
@@tommsey_ttvhuh?, how is laughter the sound of boredom im pretty sure its quite the contrary
@tommsey_ttv4 күн бұрын
@@Petereteo yes that was my point, it's called sarcasm, pet.
@johnhodgetts66174 жыл бұрын
I wonder if that "Ken Thomas" guy got the computer game idea from "Pimania", released in 1982 (the year he got his hands on the golden hare.) Pimania was eventually solved and in 1985 its very genuine prize of the "Golden Sundial of Pi" was won, but not before many had accused Pimania of being an unsolvable scam. So did he think "so all you need to do is make a scam game and people will believe it"?
@jeremyadkins9665 Жыл бұрын
Interesting, that could be plausible, given the popularity of those kind of games, at the time.
@kalaherty6 жыл бұрын
I'm happy the crowd guessed Jimmy Savile because when the question was asked, I immediately thought "Oh god... I really hope it wasn't Jimmy Savile".
@nicholasrowley9475 жыл бұрын
Same.
@StickySauce1015 жыл бұрын
@@lawrencecalablaster568 he's basically Britain's Satan figure due to what he did
@dingo1375 жыл бұрын
Lawrence Calablaster "Beloved" is overstating it - I don't know anyone who really liked him even before all the sex abuse stuff came out.
@KarlHamilton5 жыл бұрын
I thought the same lol
@newperve4 жыл бұрын
Same, was so relieved it wasn't.
@VulpesHilarianus6 жыл бұрын
So when he played the game I just did a stream of thought experiment. "The grass is like a carpet" means some place with open space, like the English countryside. Or perhaps a large garden. "The sun shines up" is some place that has a reflection, like water. "The count has begun" either means some place that has competitions, like a marathon, or some place with a visible clock tower, like a town square. "Help is here" refers to a military saying, like a cavalry charge. "Search from coast to coast" means it's inland, nowhere near the sea, meaning "The sun shines up" refers to a river or lake. So I came up with on or around the grounds of Castle Ashby, because it's centermost in the country, has all those things listed, and is pretentious enough to work for a guy who just won a golden pendant making a video puzzle.
@DarkKingBowser6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting evaluation!
@alonecoder6004 жыл бұрын
Bravo! I suppose you will be the one who solves "I, pet goat II" :)
@jesusfrancisco46947 жыл бұрын
19:37 "Now there's a feature on a laptop called mute..." Initial (speedy) thoughts: Oh wow! Was the title music purpously annoying in order to have solvers mute their TV? Then through some form of detection, would act as yet another herring, or actually act as an obscure clue (as the book was famous for)? "...It is a good feature." God damn it I love your commentary Stuart.
@majorfallacy59264 жыл бұрын
There is a pretty decent adventure game where you have to mute the game music to solve a puzzle. I accidentally skipped it because i was annoyed by the music and turned it off right at the start. That was very confusing
@jackkraken38887 жыл бұрын
I wonder if the Voynich manuscript was some shady person saying," Hey buy this book and if you solve it you win big! Like the secrets to the Universe Big."
@lhaviland86025 жыл бұрын
I honestly think this is one of the best explanations so far.
@paulbrozyna30064 жыл бұрын
It’s an RPG sourcebook.
@ChakatSandwalker7 жыл бұрын
Many years ago (when I was a child, I think), while I was going through a box of books that I think someone was throwing out, I found a softcover version of 'Masquerade'. I still have it on my shelf. I had no clue that there was a 'sequel' of sorts in the form of a computer game until now. A fascinating presentation as always.
@kos29196 жыл бұрын
ChakatSandwalker well it's not really a sequel just a cash in attempt by different person who owned the jewellery
@billhalt88115 жыл бұрын
You didn't know if you were a child. I.q. check.
@LordChesalot Жыл бұрын
there was a book sequel that was untitled with the goal to guess the titile which was the bee on the comb
@Ryusuta7 жыл бұрын
What amazes me about Ashens is that some people are good at either commentary, acting, or presentation. Ashens does ALL of them easily and naturally. It's seriously a rare gift to do all of those three VERY different things well.
@byebye72777 жыл бұрын
"Naturally", it's not like he has been doing this for 10+ years
@emarskineel7 жыл бұрын
ByeBye to be fair, his very first video is delivered with the same level of skill as this.
@winnetouch7 жыл бұрын
commentary, acting and presentation aren't really that different things. You have to be articulate and composed for all of those things. If you are a great actor you are also probably at least a good presenter.
@Ryusuta7 жыл бұрын
There are some skills that overlap and some people with the ability to do both, but saying acting is like... say... news casting is like saying a good football player can be a good basketball player because they both require you to run. Yes, it's possible for a person to be good at both and some of the skills in one activity can be used in the other, but there's a lot more to each individual activity.
@AbandonedVoid7 жыл бұрын
He actually wasn't that great of a presenter. He was kind of stiff and hidden behind the podium, and didn't look the audience in the eye that much, and constantly forgot he had put things into his presentation. His story didn't have enough emotion behind it, although I'll admit it was certainly oddly gripping. There's certainly room for improvement.
@HolyKhaaaaan2 жыл бұрын
Not merely the most technically incompetent. Not merely the most overhyped. Definitely the most evil, with the most evil backstory, and the most evil reason for existing as far as we know. Brilliant story of, in the deepest sense, the worst game.
@gilgammesh17 жыл бұрын
An excellent story. No really, this was fascinating.
@JohnnnyGash7 жыл бұрын
Chef Excellence Stay fresh, cheese bags!
@Brandonv11035 жыл бұрын
An excellent presentation
@MuchWhittering7 жыл бұрын
"I love humans. Always seeing patterns in things that aren't there." - The 8th Doctor
@0LoneTech7 жыл бұрын
Sometimes it's the patterns that aren't there, rather than the things.
@SimmyBassline7 жыл бұрын
Most of the time it is a load of old bollocks
@AshlandLives7 жыл бұрын
Same quote rang in my head.
@StilvurBee4 жыл бұрын
@@0LoneTech um i think that's what they meant
@digipack7 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid in the late 90s I had a CD-ROM game called Treasure Quest which had a $1m prize behind it. It seems to be a much better game than Hareraiser, but it was apparently plagued with errors, and the end prize is also steeped in much mystery.
@Re-vant7 жыл бұрын
In order to make through this I had to close my eyes and picture hands over a brown sofa.
@WellWoopdidoo7 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't have clicked on this if I hadn't seen that he was holding a copy of Masquerade. I was born in the 90s but I spent hours and hours on that book.
@someguy75827 жыл бұрын
So Hareraiser is the British home computer version of SwordQuest?
@5roundsrapid2637 жыл бұрын
Some Guy I was thinking that too. There were also several videotape treasure hunts in the '80s, too.
@magnatcleo20437 жыл бұрын
Though at least Swordquest actually had an actual puzzle to solve, it just died out before the last games could come out.
@Sh0tgunJust1ce6 жыл бұрын
Swordquest wasn't a scam though.
@lordevyl83176 жыл бұрын
Swordfest was a horrible game, not a scam. I would say the British home computer version of SwordQuest is probably the ZX Spectrum game Squij (originally a C64 game, but the Spectrum version was FAR worse) BTW, I'm not defending the C64 version either, because that was horrible, but when compared to the Speccy version (No, I'm not dissing the speccy as a whole, in fact I quite like the ZX Spectrum) It's fucking Donkey Kong.
@satan39594 жыл бұрын
Sword Quest sucked, but I still say that Firefly is hands down the WORST game on the 2600/VCS
@sandwich24737 жыл бұрын
Oh gosh darn. Those poor teachers. Gee wiz.
@BebopBun4 жыл бұрын
Words of wisdom from a sandwich
@ACanOfBakedBeans4 жыл бұрын
My wife made one of those for me yesterday.... Just like a woman should
@sploofmcsterra47864 жыл бұрын
@@ACanOfBakedBeans so edgy
@DrGandW4 жыл бұрын
@@ACanOfBakedBeans That was so unfunny I had to comment on it.
@satan39594 жыл бұрын
The Gay Frog Society Oh great, an edgelord
@user-yo8ee8mh9q3 жыл бұрын
Hareraiser is completely solvable. The first part of the game is a map of the Harrods department store, a hint about this was given in one of the game magazines, when the TV presenter went there from the program about this kind of games and treasure hunt. But the second part could be "passed" only for the BBC micro platform - it was there that there were "rooms" with the name of the owner of Haresoft (before that he was anonymous) and the digital code that was needed to receive the prize. the hare was in Harrods Bank, used as collateral for opening Haresoft. if someone knows how to look at game resources, he will also find this code in all versions of the game. but the ad and articles were hinted at "for the whole family" and it was emphasized that "can be used on the school computer" and "we did two parts so that people of any age could win". there are clouds - lamps, trees - stairs, spiders descending on a cobweb - elevators, descriptions below, for example, an indication of bright stars - a description of the ceiling, etc. This is best seen in a room with an escalator. I spent 3 days on the solution. sorry for mistakes, i don't know english.
@jeremyadkins9665 Жыл бұрын
That's kinda interesting, if true; it explains the obscure "clue" mentioned and the splitting of the game into two.
@GBAura Жыл бұрын
So basically the solution was to find where the company Haresoft is located and the name of the founder, who is the one who conned Kit Williams? Wow, that just makes the entire thing even more stupid. That aside, thanks for putting this all together. It does explain a few oddities in the game.
@butcherboy20087 жыл бұрын
If it were indeed Jimmy Savile, then perhaps a child of 10 could have had as much success as an Oxford don.
@willowbarrelmaker82695 жыл бұрын
Oof
@newperve4 жыл бұрын
Not something you want to succeed at.
@LayneBenofsky4 жыл бұрын
heyyyy-ooooo!
@satan39594 жыл бұрын
Imagine if it was made in the US by Jeffrey Epstein. LOL
@MicrowavedChicken4547 жыл бұрын
I was there! I got my book and DVD signed by him, easily one of the best parts of the year for me
@vnutri7106 жыл бұрын
Sam 454 I'm not the jealous type. I've never been jealous of someone for anything, if it makes them happy, even if I want it, that's more valuable then what I want. But that you got a signed book and dvd and got to sit and watch his glorious face live? I will kidnap you, take that DVD and book, and create a machine that allows me to implant memories of other people into me. Watch. Your. Back.
@kanedamikami77716 жыл бұрын
Vnutri you could get yourself brainwashed and they could implant false memories but the only thing we need is a trigger
@michaelslevin27646 жыл бұрын
'Hello!'
@leftpastsaturn674 жыл бұрын
@Richard Kelbe Ironic much? :D
@Axilur7 жыл бұрын
Stuart is the epitome of all that is great with the world of today.
@CassiusDX7 жыл бұрын
I could listen to him talk all day
@redskunk98257 жыл бұрын
How the winter nights must fly by at your house.
@spark76206 жыл бұрын
petrichor an "an excellent" pair
@fatherfintanstack88106 жыл бұрын
Stuart is one of God's colors.
@kelakakku6 жыл бұрын
no
@richardtickler85557 жыл бұрын
haresoft is now called EA
@lordevyl83176 жыл бұрын
Nah, they are called Konami EA was actually a pretty good company in the 80s, the just started to go downhill when they became a huge corporation the in late 90s
@davidturbo85666 жыл бұрын
Hilarious
@AquaFan19986 жыл бұрын
Richard Tickler promicing shit but never delivering
@junglezone73236 жыл бұрын
I Identify As A Commodore 64 Since I'm An Old Fart bro konami didnt start going downhill till mid to late 2000s, so EA is worse
@culwin6 жыл бұрын
Konami was also a good company once.
@exidy-yt7 жыл бұрын
Wow, I had no intention of sitting through 40 mins of talking about an 8-bit puzzle game but this was an absolutely fascinating story i'd never heard about before, admittedly I'd grown old enough to get into computer gaming a couple of years after this debacle, but either way amazing story and now I am off to Ebay to find a copy of the Masqurade book. ;-)
@thedarkergerkin7 жыл бұрын
That was so much more entertaining than I thought it would be.
@CallyGem7 жыл бұрын
That was fantastic. I'm so happy you posted this, Dr Ashen is one of the best KZfaqrs around and the story/ies of the golden hare fascinate me.
@dylanmaldet6643 Жыл бұрын
The reason the physics teachers missed the box was because Kit Williams' calculations were slightly off(he admitted as much later). He didn't realize this at the time because he and Bamber Gascoigne buried the casket at night.
@voldlifilm4 жыл бұрын
I kinda want my epitaph to be "told you it was awful".
@BentheBassPhish7 жыл бұрын
I was so disappointed I missed this! For some reason, I couldn't find out when the talk was happening! Thanks for uploading!
@GlenGlingo95 жыл бұрын
The cover of Masquerade wouldn't look out of place on a progressive-rock album.
@fuzzybuzzy31595 жыл бұрын
I mean, late 70s.
@lordevyl83173 жыл бұрын
It also wouldn't look out of place on an EARLY Queen album
@spunkyspaz4 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the SwordQuest games for the Atari 2600 in that there was real treasure to be had. That did not end well either though, except for 2 people who won 2 of the 5 treasures.
@BReal-10EC4 жыл бұрын
I thought they never released the final Airworld game?
@danielpreciado31127 жыл бұрын
If anyone out there feels cheated and conned for having been talked into buying games like No Man's Sky, find peace in knowing, at least you didn't buy Hareraiser.
@roundishwhale6 жыл бұрын
and hell, No Mans Skys developer even try there best now to make up for their wrongdoing be adding the game they promised part after part :D Really shows the difference in personality behind these two...questionable events.
@richardpike87485 жыл бұрын
Also at least the No Man's Sky dev has improved the game post-release as well.
@thecamelchannel14674 жыл бұрын
@@richardpike8748 Yeah No Man's Sky is now good lol
@blatherskite30094 жыл бұрын
Yep, the devs have continued to work on No Man's Sky for years since release, all updates free, and it's now everything that was expected at launch and then some. All you can really say against it now is that back in 2016 people were effectively sold an Early Access game as if it was a finished game. All's well that ends well!
@voidling26324 жыл бұрын
NMS team aren't scammer at least, they are just bad at time management and organisation
@TheGlitched64Reads26 жыл бұрын
I've watched this 5 times now. Still just as entertaining.
@otaking35824 жыл бұрын
The game is called "Hareraiser" and it's about solving an elaborate puzzle? *Easter Bunny:* "We have such sights to show you"
@HurricaneSA4 жыл бұрын
KZfaq kept recommending this so I finally gave in and started watching it. I was expecting to just watch a minute or two to see what it was about and ended up watching the whole thing. Quite the plot twist there at the end!
@rho-starmkl44836 жыл бұрын
"You Are My Sunshine" No, you are NOT.
@dennett3167 жыл бұрын
Oh, the shady conning gits! Took a really great idea and completely shat on it. That was great, hugely interesting story. Incidentally, the image of the swimming lady looks to me a fair bit like Carol Vorderman...or possibly Louise Redknapp.
@bubbadoo106 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for those teachers being the only ones to solve the puzzle, and being just so close to solving it. Also the artist that did this finding out that the people cheated his puzzle he spent who knows how long working on and using it to make a cheap digital rip-off lacking any soul of the original piece. If I was the artist, I would have sued for the blatant profiting off of the original work.
@wardrich2 жыл бұрын
Legit thought I was hearing that guy's name wrong this whole time, but nope... It actually is "Bamber Gascoigne". He died earlier this year :( RIP
@hyphz5 ай бұрын
I seem to recall someone claimed they had found a solution to Hareraiser, which was that the forest is a symbolic map of Harrods, and that the hare was in a safe deposit box there. This would make a lot of sense, as they couldn't just leave it lying around unburied, and would also mean that the Anneka Rice clue was just the fact she was there. But there's no way to check.
@whiteninjapickleboyz7 жыл бұрын
Ashens can litteraly talk about shit on the ground and I'd be absolutely mesmerized
@billhalt88115 жыл бұрын
Will talk about shit on the ground.
@nobetternickname7 жыл бұрын
I remember my parents had 'Masquerade' when I was really, really young. As a 3 or 4 year old I spent quite a lot of time looking for the hare that was hidden in each of the pictures in the book. The 'Where's Wally?' of its day :)
@SenshiSunPower7 жыл бұрын
nobetternickname Me too! My copy came with a companion booklet that explained the answer.
@SaintCharlos6 жыл бұрын
_The British version of SwordQuest, ladies and gentleman._
@ikmnification57377 жыл бұрын
Some University should pick Stewart up to be a lecturer for history of games.
@TheSmart-CasualGamer4 жыл бұрын
Him, Jeremy Parish and LGR. Perfection.
@coyoteartist7 жыл бұрын
I'd seen a picture of the Golden Hare somewhere online, perhaps to do with it being on display, but I knew nothing more. It is a shame two things so beautiful as the Hare and the book should have been dragged down by that age old enemy, stupid humans.
@dcflake56457 жыл бұрын
This story was brilliant. I still don't believe that this was a game or a puzzle just a scam. I don't know if that counts as the worst game ever.
@TheTurnipKing7 жыл бұрын
it is, at least a better story than something like Alien Kill, which is just rubbish.
@djoakeydoakey10766 жыл бұрын
ET might be worse, it has it's own landfill......seriously.
@coppliable7 жыл бұрын
Very glad this is here, still kicking my self that i missed your talk. 10/10 i think you should become a university lecturer ashens.
@ceon44997 жыл бұрын
He's so good at talking and keeping your attention! His humor is refreshing as well.
@BBalloon4 жыл бұрын
10:00 The red letters FROG show the frog also pointing to four of the letters with his limbs.. Incredible book.
@jetfire8517 жыл бұрын
To be fair to the audience, I also would've guessed Jimmy Saville as the celebrity.
@aoifebakunin19667 жыл бұрын
Doug Glassman same here
@bombtwenty38676 жыл бұрын
If that was the case, Uncle Jimmy would've dug it up himself, for Charidee of course
@zootsanchez6 жыл бұрын
Uncle Jimmy would have been more interested in digging in the churchyard next door
@fireballninja014 жыл бұрын
I wanted to cry when you delved into the bad luck of the physics teachers, they, Kit, and Bamber deserved more
@elwoodjacobs43532 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Kit Williams moonlighted as the Riddler in his spare time with how complex the puzzle is.
@abortedlord5 жыл бұрын
What a wonderful presentation, I'll be watching more of your videos for sure.
@General-RADIX3 жыл бұрын
Rewatching this for like the hundredth time, something occurred to me: did anyone try giving these charlatans the answer of "the Hare is still with the head of the company who didn't bury it anywhere"?
@yokab7 жыл бұрын
Stewart is so well spoken and this is one of the most underrated videos online right now
@zurih-r75834 жыл бұрын
OKAY KZfaq. I WATCHED IT, OKAY?! And tbh I wasn't disappointed. It's a great story!
@sneakysnake76954 жыл бұрын
This comment needs more recognition, it sums up my reaction to KZfaq's recommendations
@retro64424 жыл бұрын
2 years later this brilliant video turns up on my recommendation 👍 thanks KZfaq 🤔
@leons.kennedy27477 жыл бұрын
Hareraiser is supposed to be solved by the hints at the bottom of the screen giving directions. "The Grass is Like a Carpet" means "Down/South", (Carpet is on the floor) "The Sun Shines Up" means "Up/North", (obviously) "The Count Has Begun" means "Up/North" (Hands on a clock start at 12, pointing up) etc, etc. Gimme my £30,000.
@linkrulezall6 жыл бұрын
Except there's no actual end goal to any of the screens, all you end up on is different tree pictures with different clues. And how do you explain the blatant platitudes like "The Hare Is Golden" and "Shall You Find It" or the absolute word salad of Finale such as "From Then President Hill Must Cure"?
@leons.kennedy27476 жыл бұрын
"From Then President Hill Must Cure"? predicted Donald Trump, duh. This game was ahead of its time.
@thatguywhoreadsshit15076 жыл бұрын
The Hare is Golden could mean the sun so up/north and shall you find it could refer to the fact that it was originally buried so down/south
@thatguywhoreadsshit15076 жыл бұрын
President Hill could mean Mount Rushmore/Black hills which are in south Dakota so south/down
@promontorium6 жыл бұрын
Bruno Platter And what the fuck does a series of up/down , north/south clues lead to? You've solved nothing. You think you're going to mail in ⬆⬆⬇⬆⬇⬇⬆ and they'd send you back the amulet?
@ikeyasector4 жыл бұрын
Ashen has a talent for speaking in public like this and holding people's interest. I enjoyed this very much.
@heatchills40933 жыл бұрын
This guy is a really talented public speaker. I mean let's face it, the subject matter shouldn't really be that interesting - a crappy old Com64-era game... but he manages to turn it into a really captivating seminar. That takes serious talent.
@danforbes35737 жыл бұрын
Ashens talks on gaming is as interesting as Tim's talks on toys. Wonderful stuff!
@alexeverett3087 жыл бұрын
Dan Whitmore heh.
@danforbes35737 жыл бұрын
Alex Everett-last: Nice to see another member of Tim's fan club!
@Asquid19877 жыл бұрын
Dan Whitmore heh
@childishbeat7 жыл бұрын
I was at Ashen's Hareraiser talk at Norwich Gaming Festival 2017.
@streakhey90357 жыл бұрын
Niall Ward wow
@VibingAndCrying7 жыл бұрын
Niall Ward So was i
@UnitSe7en7 жыл бұрын
Did anyone get a t-shirt, cap or novelty button?
@MicrowavedChicken4547 жыл бұрын
UnitSe7en I got an Ashens coin and a pin
@Uncle_Sheo2177 жыл бұрын
I've wanted an Ashens Groat for a while but i don't know where to get one :(
@hannahatkins6367 жыл бұрын
I actually went to this talk and I was a few minutes late. I genuinely wondered how much I'd missed but turns out that you can hear me come in at 1:21. Anyway, if you haven't watched it yet, I'd thoroughly recommend it.
@billhalt88115 жыл бұрын
Don't lie. That was me you fraud.
@gui18bif4 жыл бұрын
@@billhalt8811 h a l t
@shimmygirl15645 ай бұрын
I had this book as a little kid in the 70/80s and I was so obsessed with solving the puzzle! The illustrations were so incredibly beautiful that the whole book was just magic to me. How sad that Kit was conned like this. 😢
@advancetotabletop53287 жыл бұрын
Fantastic discussion about the book! You need to do more of these.
@rowan58914 ай бұрын
At this point this video is like a comfort watch for me, I end up thinking about this whole Masquerade Hareraiser situation a lot
@liam63456 жыл бұрын
I actually thought this was going to be just a simple rant and/or small discussion with the audience about bad graphics, sloppy collision, an attempt at implementing curves etc... But damn Stuart did his research! Very informative, detailed and constructed very, very well. Great video, even my friends are impressed and they're a bunch of pompous arse holes... 10/10 from me!
@Poormangamer6 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid, my mom had a stack of old Smithsonian Magazines and the Golden Hare contest was mentioned in one and I always remembered it (and a riddle about love that apparently had nothing to do with the answer) and wondered what happened with the contest. The story was far more interesting than I could have imagined. Thanks for solving that mystery for me!
@elmono62993 жыл бұрын
Video game historians: "E.T for the Atari 2600 and Superman 64 are the worst!" Hareraiser: "Allow us introduce ourselves!"
@kabobawsome6 жыл бұрын
The difficulty of the puzzle really speaks to Kit's intelligence. Too bad the person who solved it basically cheated then scammed several people using his winnings.
@thecinematicmind2 жыл бұрын
Rest in Peace Bamber Gascoigne 1935-2022 💎📺📚
@Vaultboy1014 жыл бұрын
Holy crap my family had this book back when I was a kid in the 80's. I was quite fascinated with it and it kinda freaked me out, like a Dali surrealist painting.
@Nasuth Жыл бұрын
I come back to these every now and then just because they're so fun.
@aatheus7 жыл бұрын
Wonderful narrative on what was not so much a game, but more of a mass of beeping confusion. What an amazing bit of scamming on the part of Haresoft,
@jcdenton97647 жыл бұрын
Hey look! It's Simon Pegg!
@xramejin7 жыл бұрын
Sigh.. that joke is almost a decade old.
@thomasjenkins75067 жыл бұрын
Pimon Segg*
@ACBlackJ0ck7 жыл бұрын
Actually, it's John Simm
@ChrisBarrett17 жыл бұрын
Poundshop Pegg
@DarthPerkins7 жыл бұрын
Chris B Ha! That's got stick as a nickname!
@zackaronie.b.27097 жыл бұрын
I swear if Ashens was one of my University professors i wouldnt mind lectures so much
@DanHarkless_Halloween_YTPs_etc6 жыл бұрын
Very interesting! I only recently became aware of buried treasure art puzzle games like this due to the recent episode of the Travel Channel's "Expedition Unknown" on the similar U.S. book "The Secret" (Byron Preiss, 1982; inspired, no doubt, by 1979's "Masquerade"). That book contained clues to treasures in 12 different U.S. locations, and 10 of them still haven't been found to this day. BTW, man, pretty tough room! I didn't think British audiences were this stingy with the courtesy laughter! 🧐
@Atlas_Redux7 жыл бұрын
I could listen to Stuart for hours. Oh wait, I have. Not only have I listened to him for countless hours, I even like to fall asleep re-listening to former videos. This is now added to my sleepy-time list. Stuart, if you see this, marry me.
@JamesLawner5 жыл бұрын
Fascinating, makes me wonder why this game was never referenced in Ready Player One.
@TheBrianJ6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for putting this up, and of course, thank you Stuart Ashen for doing the talk. I had never heard of this game before I watched this, I had no idea it had such a crazy backstory and history behind it.
@sillysparky380107 жыл бұрын
This was way more interesting than I thought it would be! Thank you for the story, Ashens!
@GODOFGUITAR21127 жыл бұрын
I love these "Terrible Old Games" live presentations. So entertaining.
@Llethander4 жыл бұрын
Oh holy crap, I didn't even realize when I clicked the link. I only realized when he started talking that this is Ashens. The same Ashens that I've been watching tell me about random tat for years. xD Awesome.
@MrDmitriRavenoff4 жыл бұрын
Bamber Gascoigne sounds like an amazing name for a Gnome. Thanks for the info. This was a fun thing to know about a puzzle somewhat older than me (if just barely).