My pleasure! Let me know if you get one. Cheers

It's that ridiculous speaker that makes it sound this way. With a 1x12 it becomes a totally different amp.

@Wes Zimmerman, I agree. The 5 sounds a bit "Tinny" to me

Awesome! Welcome to the TTL community!

I really wanted to love that Origin. I had it in mind that I could break the proverbial "code" and make it sound killer. Alas, I could not find it, the trick to making it sound huge. Perhaps someone will come along and demystify it, but I could not do it. For that amount of cash, the HB is hard to beat. Cheers

You're very welcome! Which would you pick?

It takes me a while to do these videos, and I'm not always 100% satisfied with how they turn out. However, when I get positive feedback like this, then I am happy. The content is made to be useful, and if it serves it's purpose, then my job here is done. Which of these two would you pick?

@@TheToneLounge, for my needs right now, it's HB Tube 15W exactly what I need (practice/homerecording and possibly gigs), and have actually decided to buy one - mainly thanks to your review (via the link in the description). Another reviewer, however, had a good point of wondering how long this amp will really be able to cope... we'll see :-).

Glad you like them! Which amp did you prefer?

@@TheToneLounge I would go for the Tube 15...

I'm so happy to hear that. I do think that the HB is the superior amp in this comparison. What are you using it for? Home recording?

@@TheToneLounge Pure hobby player. My wife gives me shit about buying gear saying, "Wow, that will sound/look great in your basement performances."

Which did you prefer?

@@TheToneLounge I d love to buy the Harleybenton Amp as a Head instead of a Combo...

Sadly they don't make it

Some say that it's more like a Blues Jr, others say it's more Vox. It's definitely got EL84s so that might be what does it.

That is a great point Jon. The lower cost of production and the quality we are getting for this price point is awesome. Companies have to rethink their strategy.

Thanks for sharing!

Which do you prefer?

Are you mic'ing the amp?

Nope

What do you prefer about it?

The only thing they have in common is the price. Stock, the Tube 15 has an advantage over the Origin 5. With an external cab, it narrows the differences.

I'm not sure I understand your meaning. Could you clarify please?

@@TheToneLounge In my monitoring or with my headphones, I hear the Tube 15 like if there was 2 microphones on stereo for the same source but a little bit out a phase, except in the section "same/cab" it sound normal, but you mention that there is one sm57. But in any case, in my opinion the Tube 15 sound better in comparaison to the origin 5c :) . Thank you for your review !

Far better than the Origin 5, for roughly the same price.

It sounds better, right?!

Hi Bruce, I'm glad that the video has helped cement your choice of the Monoprice. You are right, a well broken in speaker will always sound better than anew one. Changing the speaker is a great thing to do if you are really not happy with certain aspects of your tone. If you love everything you hear in the Seventy-80, then no need swapping it out. It's always, as you stated, subjective. If it's inspires you to play, then why the heck not?! I'm all for affordable gear, and if it comes out stock with all the right ingredients for a killer tone, all the better.

Hi Bruce. I just bought the Monoprice 5 days ago. Of course the 70/80 still requires that :Break in: period...How many hours do you feel that it took for that break-in period?

@@Trailer_Sailor It's hard to say for sure because the change is subtle spread out over a long period of time. I would guess, however, that I played that amp (I have several amps that I switch between) at moderate volume for about 4-5 hours a week and it seemed to stabilize after about 5 - 6 months.

I'm sure that's an easy fix ;)

What do you prefer in the Tube 15?

@@TheToneLounge I think for cleans, while different, they are both sounding equally good. It was the rock tone that the Tube 15 sounded remarkably better. Its surprising. Marshall crunchy tones are usually to my liking but not this one. I know you liked gain on the Marshall. It sounded a bit flabby to me. If that makes any sense.

Fair enough. It's all a matter of taste and that's why I do these types of videos and leave my opinions out of the videos. I like to hear other people's opinions too. It's always fun to hear different perspectives.

@@TheToneLounge I love your channel man.

I don't like those mirror style plates. It's so hard to see where you are at with the settings. Had some Fenders that had those, they were a pain. 😂

Hi, I just got one and it does a robot like sound when you turn it off and I don't know if this is normal? Everything seems fine but I'm not sure if it was like that day one and I just didn't realize. How about yours?

@edgareduardovillalobosport4853 I would take it into a tech to have it checked out.

I agree, they all should have had a 1x12 speaker in there. It was a bit silly to make different size speakers depending on the model. It can't of forces people to buy the Origin 50 as it sounds better. If they had put the same speaker for all three models, they might have sold more 5 and 20.

fender champs sound huge recorded with an 8" speaker ... '

The champ is a beast. This Marshall? Not so much.

@@TheToneLounge agree , was just pointing out it's not the size ov speaker , an 8" speaker can sound great in a 5 watt amp and a 12" can sound horrible , the voice of said speaker is more important ...

You are 100% correct!

For roughly the same amount of money, the Tube15 is an absolute winner. Have you tried the Tube15 yet?

@@TheToneLounge it should arrive in a couple of days from Thomann. My Tubescreamer can't wait :)

Yeah, the HB is killer at this price point when you compare it to the Origin 5 at roughly the same price.

Maybe next time!

What don't you like about the HB?

The sound of the HB is common and has no personality. The low of the Marshall is away but the Origin has personality.

I feel the same. What did you prefer about the HB?

Yeah, my experience with the Origin amps, both the 5 and 20 watt versions, was lukewarm at best. I love the Marshall sound, and really wanted these amps to be stellar for that kind of money. Sadly for me, it did not cut it. The Tube15, for roughly the same price was the better amp in all aspects. I'm personally not a fan of the Seventy 80, but many seem to think it's the right speaker for that amp. I think that the V30 is a great speaker with this one.

I believe preamp tubes substitution for, let’s say, tung-sol will do the difference with clean tones and high-end as well, it will become more sparkling

And maybe this HB need a vintage 30 instead of greenback as well

My pleasure Nikos! Would you go with the other amp?

​@@TheToneLounge​Yes, I do. HB has an OK cost so it's not much of a risk even if it turns out to be bad. Since I'm new to the channel, allow me to add some info about me and some concerns/ideas in general. I'm totally confused with amps and tone in general. I found the channel recently and I hope you help me on this. Guitars are my hobby, I don't gig so I don't care about volume. Yet, I want a decent tone. Playing mostly blues at the time and hard rock all the time. In February I was thinking of buying a tube amp but I feared that I would have to turn it really loud to get that decent tone (then my wife would kill me, the neighbors would call the police, etc) so I bought a Katana 50 (my 4th amp 1st : Fender 10G - Crap, 2nd Blackstar ID Code 40 - Crap, 3rd Roland MicroCube - Great). I'm happy with it but still I'm curious about the tube experience. I live in Greece, it's not easy to test any gear so I'm trying to find reliable youtube videos to decide. I still have some reservations : 1. Will I have to wait for the tubes to warm up? 2. Many say tube amps need to be cranked to get decent tones, is that true? 3. How often should I change tubes? 4. What is the role of tubes (brand) in the tone of the amp? Will I have to spend a small fortune to get decent tone? How vulnerable are these amps to conditions (humidity, dry, etc)? I still have these questions and these are the reasons I got the Katana. I think I will give the Tube 15 a chance. I will use your link when it comes to getting this amp. If you made it this far :), sorry for the lengthy reply. Thanks!

I ordered a knock off Bluesbreaker 2x12 combo cabinet, I’m going to mount the power head from the tube15 in it and wire up one Greenback and one Creamback. I’m optimistic that it won’t suck.

Tough question, I've heard that the Origin 20 is a much better amp than the Origin 5. Sadly, I tried it in a store many years ago and I can't really draw from that experience to answer your question. Have you looked on forums or FB groups?

@@TheToneLounge i've watched quite few videos on the origin20 today and i think it not the right amp for me. I find the tones quite shrill and harsh. I'll stick to the HB and perhaps a fender amp in the future.

Maybe it sounds better to you with the Seventy-80?

The Tube15 might have a chance depending on what kind of drummer we are talking about. If we are talking about a caveman hitting those skin, neither will do it. If you can mic it up, either of them will work.

The Tube 15 can. I use it every now and then like that. But I would never wanna play with a drummer that loud! :)

100% agreed

Yeah, the Tube 15 is best as a "straight to amp". it's not so good with pedals.

Not sure how much it sells for in the US, but here in the EU it's about 200 euros.

Btw, maybe you could compare: HB TUBE 15 vs Marshall DSL1CR ? it's also the same price range.

Higher headroom on the tube 15 and the EQ probably makes a huge difference in the tone.

@@TheToneLounge don’t get me wrong, I was cheering for the Marshall, but the tube 15 just sounds better to me.

It does have higher headroom and better speaker and better tubes for sure, that does help. Then again, the circuit design of both these amps is completely different and as such, they sound very different.

The HB sounds better to my ear/taste. But isn't the O5 mimmicking something completely different the T15 tries to? Short: it is a matter of taste?

@@michelvondenhoff9673 it’s definitely all about taste. The HB just sounded like it had some sort of dynamic range extension or some sort of “wide stereo” effect.

Я не говорю по-русски, поэтому, пожалуйста, простите меня, если я допущу ошибки (я использую гугл-переводчик). Я бы выбрал Harley Benton Tube 15. Он отлично подойдет для домашнего использования и будет лучше для вас, когда вы начнете играть на сцене.

@@TheToneLounge большое спасибо вам, и удачи в творчестве!!!

Спасибо!

@@TheToneLounge Как на счёт CODE 50 ?

Yea, in contrast the Tube15 makes more sense. It has more features and does sound better. So for roughly the same price, I think the HB is the better amp.

Thanks for watching! Could you see yourself gigging with the HB?

@@TheToneLounge why not. if it sounds good. For some intimate jazz it is enough. I am interested for jazz cleans. but for rock and metal not

Yeah, it would have needed at least a 10".

@@TheToneLoungeIt is the speaker / cab in combination. But, not sure it's just because the size of the speaker 8" speaker. Same size speaker in Vox Pathfinder 15 cabinet sounds really good. And plenty of active studio monitors sound great, down to bass guitar frequencies with 8" woofers. Probably a cheap/bad speaker, and/or bad cab design.

Trust me, the HB smokes that Marshall. No contest. Are you thinking of picking one up?

@@TheToneLounge Yes! Infact I was gonna buy one...today...online, but they appear to be all out of stock. Is there any other sites selling them...other than ebay? Furthermore, is there much difference between the HB and the Stage Right equivalent?

@@bludworm1 from what I know, only name and voltages are different

I really wanted that Origin to be an awesome and misunderstood amp. I thought I could crack the code and make it sound good. Alas, it really isn't that great sounding. I'm sure that some people will love it, but I sure didn't.

The clean channel on the Origin is okay. I almost thought of keeping mine and run an amp modeling pedal into the effects return to just use the power tube section, lol. But I have a Blackstar and a Bugera that both cost less but sound better without the need of any pedals, so I returned the Origin after a week of trying to get it to not sound like a cheap transistor radio.

My pleasure. I really wanted to love that little Origin 5. My deal has always been to find the best in a piece of gear and show it's potential to other guitarists. I wanted to be the guy to do this for this amp, but sadly it's just not that good. Let me know what you think of the Stage Right. Cheers

@@TheToneLounge You might get a kick out of this, my Stage Right arrived today packed in three boxes. When I pulled the amp out of the third box I could see something was very wrong; the speaker was at a 45-degree angle, it had been dropped so hard that the mounting-board was ripped out of the enclosure. I took pictures, tried to contact Amazon, became very depressed lol, then I figured "why not?" and plugged it in . . . works fine. I'll leave any detailed comments about the tone for another time but my initial reaction was positive, IMO it's a good amp. Thanks for posting, much appreciated.

They are, but at the time of making that video, they sold for roughly the same price.

Before filming this video, I looked at all the videos I could find on this amp and thought that none of them sounded good, much less great. I thought I would be able to find how to make it sound good, alas, as you stated, I did not. If you find the way to make it sound like a proper Marshall with the stock speaker, by all means, share your technique with us. I'd be curious to see what I might have missed. Cheers

I would say the opposite - in most other videos I have seen, Origin sounded worse than here. I actually would prefer something between Origin and Tube 15. If this Tube 15 is similar to Laney Cub 12R, then you can back up the lows, and push some mids and tone, and will be much closer to real Marshall tone than this small origin has. But I have Greenback in my Cub, it also makes a big difference.

I’ve heard that the Tube15 is in fact a Cub. I’m sure there are some differences but it’s essentially the same circuit. Have you see my video of the Tube15 with a Greenback?

@@TheToneLounge I suspected that from the design and functions. BTW, I think you also know, but for other readers - preamp section of Cub 12 is based on Marshall JCM800, and I can get very Marshally tones from that one, with Greenbacks, much more Marshally than Marshall Origin 5 has in stock. Would be interesting to hear Origin with proper cab and speaker. I havent heard your Tube15 with Greenback yet, can you give a link please? Here is of mines: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/erRifpR92re4Y6M.html

I didn't know that the Cub was based on a JCM800. Very cool. Great video by the way, very in depth look at the amp. Here is mine: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Zrmngplo28ixpYk.html

I agree!

Yeah, for roughly the same price, the Tube15 is definitely ahead of the Origin 5.

100% agreed

Thanks Ty! The Tube 15 does have some crossover with the AC15. I do prefer the gain in the Origin 5 though.

Yeah, it's really not a very good amplifier. I wanted to be the one who cracked the code and made it sound like a proper Marshall, but alas, the amp just isn't that good.

👍

It's not. It just has a cheap and small speaker.

Each their own.

I think so too. What do you like about it?

my pleasure

I’m sure you are right. 😉

Absolutely. The Origin 20 is a far, far better amp.

How is it not "fair"? I'm demonstrating what both amps give you for the same amount of money. It's not intended to be an "apples to apples" in terms of tone. It's supposed to be an "apples to apples" for what you get for that kind of money.

**Edit: I just re-watched the video and I clearly state I used both amps through a Greenback.**

I have an origin 20, and it's one of my favorite amps I've ever had. It would have been a closer wattage to put the 15 up against the origin 20.

That's for a future video ;)

Yeah, I wanted that Marshall to be awesome, but sadly it isn't.

Sadly, that little Origin was a let down.

The speaker plays a huge part in it.

I'm glad it validated that for you. I love fuzz so much, I'm working on a 10 episode series, showing how to make fuzz work with your rig.

@@TheToneLounge My all time favorite: Maxon OD-820 pro. I found nothing better on this planet. 😁

Right? It could have been such a killer amp but I have no clue how they messed this one up, as the other amps in the Origin line sound killer.

I disagree with you. The point wasn’t to compare two totally different amps stock, and see which is better. The point, is to see what both Amps (in the same price point) give you. What’s better is up to you. I am merely showing you what both amps can do. Cheers

Yup. That's the point. Same price range. Good comparison. There should be more like that.

They were hooked up to the same cabinet at the end, right?

I am brand agnostic, but Harley Benton does win this round for me too.