5 HD owners, 2 Indian owners! I ride a Indian "love it" Its not what you ride its that we all ride together.

I totally agree with Jamie from Moonshine. It’s definitely great to have options. I’ve owned Harley Davidsons for years and then switched in 2018 for a brand new Indian Chieftain and now I’m back on a 2020 Road Glide. It’s a matter of preference.

HD guys talk about customization and number of dealers, but there's one thing they will NEVER talk about: engineering. HD has a loooong history of terrible engineering some of which resulted in injury and death. Plus, HD knew about their cam chain issues and refused to correct them FOR YEARS. Indian engines and transmissions are bulletproof. The Indian ride is heads and tails above HD, not even close. Lastly, Indian Challenger and Pursuit are world-class bikes; they can take on the best bikes in the world and win. HD can't say the same. As for HD never going out of business, HD guys can thank AMF, Ronald Reagan and high tariffs for that. Without these things, HD would've gone out if business decades ago.

Dudes, I'm Indian through & through. But PLEASE... Indian is no where close to Harley when it comes to customization. Give em' time, Indian has just recently been reintroduced after 50+ years and needs time to mature. Indian is doing a great job and obviously up to the challenge. You Harley guys may have never experienced the Milwaukee 8 if it wasn't for Indian! Like Moonshine eloquently said... the competition between these two iconic brands is the best thing to happen to American bike riders... and moving these bikes in amazing directions that benefit us all. Ride safe fella's & enjoy Daytona!

The only couple things that Harley has over Indian are the plentiful amount of dealers, aftermarket parts and gear, anything else that has to do with the motorcycle Indian winds hand down. Performance, comfortable ride ability, suspension, The amount of things Indian puts on a stock motorcycle is unbelievable

I’m an Indian owner and I’ll be honest, I considered Harley, but wanted something a little more exclusive. When you individualize an Indian, you are truly getting to the essence of “custom”.

I actually own a indian challenger and a harley road glide and I love both bikes. I love to rip around town on my Road Glide Special 124 build and I have no problem taking long trips with it but I believe my challenger is a little more comfortable on long rides. They're two totally different rides but both are awesome bikes.

Grown men debating a company motorcycle brand lol. Let’s argue about your personal last name and the legacy you leaving behind for you own last name. The debate old and tiresome. Like what you like and ride what you ride. Most newcomers ride Harley’s because that’s all they see. Learned behavior and nothing wrong with that. At the same time it’s good to see people step outside the box and be different and ride a different brand.

You guys are all right, most important thing is that you are a motorcyclist! But Harley is not only a motorcycle it’s a life style!

Traveling tall should be HARLEYS #1 FAN AND PROMOTION CHANNEL!! I've been riding since the late 60s and have owned at least a dozen new Harleys first one purchased in 1972...there is no discussion about the thousands of dollars that these HD owners have spent to get their HDs to compete with Indian Challengers...this is all ego..if I wanted to drop $8-$12k on my Challenger I'm sure there wouldn't be an HD that could keep the tail lights in sight..just like John from Cyclefanatix...has almost $60k tied up in his silver Road glide...traveling tall is no longer about traveling....he's all about HDs...can't even watch his channel anymore!! RIDE WHAT YOU LIKE!! and Mr. Horsepower Harley...did you forget about the bowling ball company that saved HD from melt down in the late 60s with their junk shovelheads??? To many big mouths and even bigger Ego's!!

as an Indian Owner. I can say that Harley definitely has more aftermarket support. but ultimately, I get the looks and the questions at the bike nights and shows. where as Harley is a "Me too" bike, because vast majority of Harley's looks exactly the same.

Enjoyed the video but one main thing that keeps me from buying another Harley, had a 17 roadking special, is that Harley charges a premium and gives a substandard bike. ie no led lights stock in this day and time, suspension is basic and no riding modes. All this comes on the Challenger from the factory for the same price with an adjustable windscreen. Sounds like the Harley tax to me. When Harley steps up their game and gives some value for the premium price I'll look again. But right now the Indian is the better bang for the buck.

Man I wanna be part of this conversation. I came from a street glide and went to a chieftain it's not even comparable how much better the chieftain is than the streetglide I have never rode a challenger and I have never rode a roadglude

I love my Harley. This is great dialogue, love it. I think it’s about what you like. If I liked a particle Indian motorcycle and I was able to buy it, I would just buy it, regardless of dealership support, etc., I truly believe that we, (Harley fans), should be grateful and appreciate any competition that Harley has. Otherwise, Harleys would be more expensive and probably lack even more innovation….

Love those Indian motorcycles! They just keep getting better and better!!👍

Having a "bigger aftermarket catalog" is nice, but remember it comes with a shady dealer experience, warranty blackmail, embarrassing sales videos with bell ringing and hollering like a circus clown, M8 sumping issues and most importantly, having the SAME bike as your neighbor, and your father, and the guy at the office and his dad. It's generic in my eyes and Indian is different.

I agree with Jamie from Moonshine. He was spot on when he said both brands are great and they are both needed to make each other better. Look at the race to the top in snowmobile and side by sides right now. Skidoo and their can am are at the top spot and Polaris is pushing them hard to take that spot. I’m a snowmobile rider in the winter and I can tell you both brands are excellent and we are now riding the pinnacle of snowmobiles in the market today because of it. What hurts Harley in my opinion is the dealers and the Motor Company turns a blind eye to it. Most dealers bump sticker and surcharge above and beyond what the Motor Company does. 90% of dealerships don’t have a clue about customer service. I service my own bike because of it and when there is something I need done I go to a independent shop or my local Kawasaki dealership. I do this because I’m tired of paying for service that isn’t done properly or correctly. However I’ll still buy the Harley. I just don’t give the dealers any money.

This was awesome, hope to see more videos like this in the future.

STOP thinking you’ll “fit in” by the type of bike you ride. Funny how folks think the brand of motorcycle they ride is important. I’ve found folks ride certain brands because they feel others will perceive them in a different “light” based off the motorcycle they ride. HD is genius in their marketing of this. Just ride what you like. KZfaq “influencers” own and ride HD because of the massive following….as they get paid $$$ for viewership. I’ve owned Harley’s and Indians. I now ride a Goldwing and a Harley. Quit worrying about what others think and just ride what you like. Peace and be cool to others.

We took in 80+ Harleys over bike week, traded for Indians. Can't say Indian isn't making moves. Dominating the bagger championship, flat track (7 years running), and the Chief just won the Big V race series first try. FTR1200 setting high speed wheelie records over seas. Glad Indian finally showed HD the potential of water cooled motors, unlike the Vrod they dropped. Also, at 9:45- That is in looks only, also, it is much closer to a street glide in that regard, so wrong either way. The Chieftain sports inverted forks, braided brake lines, cradle frame low center of gravity motor positioning and a Fox Performance rear shock, electric windshield... none of which are found on what you claim they mechanically copied. To put it not-so-politely, seems Jamie's mouth is outpacing his brain. Great video though! The competition is fierce, but I was dissapointed by how immature and uninformed some people on both sides are. Lots of good talking points went missing.

To each is own. I have a Harley but my next bike will be a Indian.

I'm a metric rider (06 Gixer1000, 1998 Honda magna 750, 1996 VFR750, 1987Gsxr1100) and I like both Harley and Indian (wish Victory was still around). The way I see it Harley guys are like the car guys who buy a standard mustang then drop a more powerful engine, Koni shocks, upgrade sway bars add a short shifter etc. Indian guys are the guys who go and buy a Super Cobrajet mustang and make a lot less changes to it. Performance wise the Cobrajet will smoke a standard mustang out the box and out perform it in everyway. But the custom mustang guys spend a lot of cash to get even or beat the Cobrajet. Harley has to & now is boosting its performance level. Indian already has the performance and needs to boost its customization levels.

Owned Honda's, Yamaha's and Harley's - Honda is the largest motorcycle manufacturer in the WORLD. My 2001 Honda Valkyrie, flat six with 6 carbs and 6 individual exhausts from each cylinder having 110HP (then) was the most enjoyable and torqued riding experience one could every have. Very reliable and a great bike, just like the Goldwing - like it or not. Harley is fun too, lacks HP but ownership is built on a life style and brand. So ride what you like and enjoy!

2009 King's Mountain, Nobody Ever talk's about them, First Indian Bike to come back and it's a Great Motorcycle and and it's All American No Chinese Parts. Polaris engineer told me when I call to ask a question that they did not care about those bike. But I found an older Harley mechanic And he has taken very good care of my Bike for over ten years. So I Love my Indian and God Bless Harley-Davidson.

that was entertaining and awesome, loved it!!

I have a Harley, I ride Harley, but I would ride a Indian Motorcycle anyday. And I love my Harley.

“It felt Metric” that’s a compliment. Opposed to feeling like a tractor….

Nice review keep up the good work Traveling tall

Jamie said the key words: Indian makes HD better and HD makes Indian better

Great video as always!!!

Thanks for this awesome silliness today! It's good for the soul!

I enjoyed the conversation!

Tall said it best. Harley’s have a soul. I’ve never drove or rode something I’ve truly felt connected with like my Harley(s)

It’s a good trash talking with a lot of respect as it should be . Ride what you ride .

There was a brief merger between HD and AMF in 1969. So not all "Harleys" were considered "Harleys". Although Harley has been around the longest, the Indian brand was the first.

Nice job Tall! I rode a couple of Indians in Daytona. The new Pursuit is very smooth!

I prefer my Indian because EVERYONE has a Harley and I dont want what everyone else has

Love the discussion, I’ve been blessed enough to have both. To ride hard with my friends I take my Harley. When I go to church I ride my Indian.

Great sit down thank you

If I was looking for a bike, these day, after the beautiful and well designed Indian line, no brainer for me. Indian 100%. In the coming years, Indian will have plenty accessories available.

Great video!

My stunning 2019 Indian Springfield in steel gray and metallic burgundy, and I, take copious righteous umbrage to all this HD peter metering. Indian Springfield, Cruiser Heaven, all day, every day.

Yo Tall.... this is the funniest video you have ever made. The HD boys got me cracking up. Lol

I really enjoyed this podcast. For starters, I’ve been a loyal Bmw rider for the last 25 years and I currently have a K series touring bike. However, the new dealership in San Antonio is somewhat refusing to work on my bike since it’s 20 years old. so I’m looking to venture out into a bike that’s going to be serviceable and personable. The input that was provided on both sides is appreciative, and I agree as long as you’re on two wheels we’re already in a fraternity itself. I’m leaning towards a Harley, but I’ll give Indian a chance and see what they have, and how they ride. Once again, great podcast. Be safe.

Dear Harley riders. Don’t forget when Kawasaki was your owner. Company ownership has changed hands several times.

Wow!!! I just found this video and love it!! Great to see the rivalries sit down at the end of the day and realize that it's all about the passion for riding motorcycles!! Street Glide forever!!!!

Great conversation from all.

These group of Harley riders are narrow minded.. and I had both. That's the reason I switched to Indian chieftain. It's so much more comfortable lol

Yes we are all connected on two wheels, thank you great show!!

Fun to listen. Sounds like my bunch from when we were in high school arguing about Chevy VS Ford and Mopar. I'm a Victory Cross Country owner and enjoy just riding. A jab back and forth once in awhile between friends is just sport. LOL What ever fits your style and what your looking for. Appreciate the video Tall.

Great video!!!!! Ride what makes you happy ✌️

Great conversation fellas, let’s get atleast 2-3 more Indian guys next round chair discussion.

Got to get some popcorn for this one.

I started on a Suzuki Boulevard M50. Then almost immediately turned around and sold it and upgraded to a Victory Vegas. Still have it to this day. I also own a Victory Cross Country and a Harley Road King. All great bikes. Was tempted to go the Indian route, but like you guys mentioned there's not a whole lot of customization options for them.

I have had TwinCam 88, ThunderStroke 111, and Evo 80. Wife said she could hear the Harleys but FEEL the Indian when starting up in the garage.

Good discussion, I wish I could afford to have one of each I have a 2019 CVO road glide would love to own a challenger, but you’re right it does feel metric.

C’mon Tall. You outnumbered the Indian riders considerably. And Jamie from Moonshine was just an outright bully. Kept interrupting the Indian guys. Truth is Indian makes a more reliable bike off the floor. There’s no arguing that one. Truth is that H-D offers so much more customization options and a much larger support network. But this wasn’t even a discussion.

Great video Tall! Ridin on two wheels is Great regardless but Harley is definitely #1

I thought you were going to have to put on a referee shirt. It doesn't matter if you ride a Harley or Indian, because I got a Can-Am spider that will outrun both of those 🤣🤣.

Indians are the best overall. Everyone wants a Harley bc everyone has one. Standout people.

Great job, gentlemen!!! Currently have a 2017 ultra limited, 05 road king. I'm looking into an Indian. I'm starting to like what they're doing.

Here’s my 2 cents. I was very interested in an Indian. The lack of dealer network concerned me, but not enough to dissuade me from buying. Then, a freind bought a brand new Indian and had nothing but electrical issues. That wouldn’t be such a bad thing, but the dealership (Shreveport Louisiana) treated him so poorly and never did get it fixed and his experience is what made me buy an ultra limited CVO.

Great video guys! All the Harley guys need to do is to take an Indian challenger out for a ride and they will see how great the bike is. I came off at 2021 CVO Sunset Orange Road Glade. No regrets!!! Definitely happy we have choices for American baggers.

I enjoyed this type of conversation amongst bikers.

The truth of the matter is when you see your bike if you smile every time that is what it's all about...I have a 16 cvo sg and it has a soul that I connected with and for me Harley Davidson got it right the look and finish is the best if I want to go fast I would have got a crouch rocket...Love my Harley

This is interesting but the brand ambassador for Indian saying that harley doesn't have more customization than indian is just really cringe. There is customization for Indian sure but... not even close to HD. And then saying there's a 131 for the Indian is just fiction as well. Indian has 116 kits, and Llyods makes a 121 kit that needs machining, and 126. There's no bolt on or even available machined 131 kit for an indian. The guy kinda made a little bit of a fool out of himself even though there were obvious biased HD riders with him.

Just ride, enjoy what you have and ride!

I'm a Harley rider all the way,but let me say,I'm happy that Indian is back and we have another great American bike. I'm saddened that Victory and Buell went down,but I guess it had to be. I now Buell is back,but it's not the same. I'm considering an Indian for my next bike. I already have a Harley,but I would like to have one of each brand. It's just a matter of preference. Both companies make beautiful reliable bikes.

“Victory Vision was not a copy of a Harley” yeah that’s way I own one.

I love how all the Harley riders put $1000's into their bikes to get what that wanted. Waste of money you'll never get back. Our of the box the Indian blows HD out of the water.

I own a Indian challenger, originally wanted a roadglide, I test road them both the challenger was a totally different bike, the challenger had a better more powerful motor and a more comfortable suspension and more technology Harley-Davidson had to come out with a 131 motor to out run the challenger which Harley-Davidson charges 10,000 more just to have put on your bike on top of purchasing your bike Indians motor and liquid cooled makes it competitive and traveling from state to state you certainly don’t have to pull the challenger off the road cause it overheating, you do the Harley-Davidson and motors sumping on a thirty thousand dollar motorcycle most Harley-Davidson have a after market motors on them

I love the topic. I ride em both and love the diversity that Indian brings. I ride a 06 street glide and 21 cheiftain limited. Great bikes

I don’t even know how to ride yet but it’s in the plans this yr …but what I do know is it’s Harley Davidson for me ….ima traditional kinda brother!! I’m Otown so ima come looking for you guys within the next 14months!! Salute to all these riders!!

Just the Harley "holier than thou" mind set makes it clear the better brand.

Great video

This is the BEST… Hulk, Daddy Cool, Preacher Man, and Jamie from Moonshine Harley! Epic!

sooooooooooooo we just going to leave my Yamaha stratoliner out of the mix okay. Ill let myself out the room hahaha love this. Harley and Indians are just amazing bikes all the way around and super comfortable.

More of these!

“The soul of a Harley” = sloppy feeling

I have watched riding fish’s channel. He has pointed out the the trim around the lcd screen isn’t snug and vibrates. Several other fit and finish issues as well.

HD has so many customization options because there is so much wrong with them that needs fixing. You can buy an Indian and keep it stock and have a better bike than a stock Harley. After spending $10-$15k your Harley can match a stock Indian. Why would anyone buy a motorcycle that needs you to “fix” it to get it right?? BTW Moonshiner dude you know the Roadglide copied the BMW R/80.

It's all about preference. Both are very nice brands and I'd ride either, however, I prefer the HD including the accessories and aftermarket options. I love the brand, but I grew up outside of Milwaukee and the brand has just been iconic for me growing up.

I think the Harley Guys were weigh to stacked against the Indian Guys 2 versus 6 lol

Let's go for a ride

My name is Harley... My mom made my decision for me... They say momma knows best.

I have a 2018 Breakout, my best buddy has an Indian Scout, we both customized our bike to various degrees BUT... my buddy customized his so ridiculously that my bike doesn't even get looked at!🤣🤣. That being said, I love my bike and Harley Davidson to the end!

Them Indians don’t sound like no Harley 💪🏻

Sure love that video from Texas where you are with your daughter that was amazing

I would be in the middle considering I own both a 15’victory Vegas built and a HD soft tail springer lol. Both are great bikes honestly

This was great. I ride an M109r and am definitely gettin a Harley

Great discussion I’m riding everything I’m never going to limit myself life is to short.

LOL I remember the days when I used to debate Harley vs Indian. I was on both side having owned all the air cooled models from Harley including a CVO and 2 Indians and have modded all of them out. It’s nice being on the outside looking in LOL. I no longer own either and neither company has anything that interest but both Brands of motorcycle was amazing to ride, own and experience.

Harley makes a bike that screams customize me so they can further sell parts. They have their own bank so they can manipulate the value and purchasing of their bikes new and used. I do agree. Harley Owners need Indian Owners and vice versa. Competition makes for better products for the consumer. I don't care what you ride, I just want to ride.

enjoyed the video and looked like you all had fun thats what its all about went out to the shop after and just looked at my old honda goldwing wondering witch will replace her soon indian or HD im still not sure

My shirt reads " THE BEST THING IN THE HARLEY SHOP WINDOW IS THE REFLECTION OF MY DUCATI " would never ride one of those chrome air compressors!!😆😆😆😆😀🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍🍺🍺🍺🍺 if I didn't have 1/2 a million miles on my 4 Ducatis I wouldn't be qualified to make a statement like that!!!!

What would happen if Indian and Harley engineers teamed up and made the ultimate bagger. I think they could blow away anything from Europe or Japan.

Had 3 Harleys within 3 years of riding. My 2018 RG started giving me tranny issues at 6k miles and a bit over 2 years of ownership. Took it to California Harley and they told me to kick rocks. I had to pay to get it diagnosed and fixed. Forgot to mention that this was the 2nd time having tranny issues with it. The first time happened around 1000 miles. They didn’t care. They just wanted their money. I also had some issues with Huntington Beach Harley. They have some of the worst trickery with financing. I’ve caught them trying to sneak in packages I didn’t ask for in the financing. Apparently this is done a lot by them. This was told to me by the finance person down at California Harley. Love Harley but you just can’t trust these dealerships anymore. I’ll never own a Harley again thanks to these bad experiences.

Whatever you ride, be safe and have fun!

I like Harley, I love to ride Challenger!! ✌️

HD wins in the marketing, making riders part of the “club”, merch, and ability to customize within the HD catalog and an even wider of array of customization aftermarket bc there is more of a demand- there is MORE for HD. Indian isn’t as popular and that is just fact. As for aesthetics I think HD is more pleasing to look at. I am sure I have bought into HD marketing but after Harley, everything else seems less.