Everyone laughed at mark jackson when he said they were the best back court yall need to stop the cap

23:49 bruh 🤦🏽‍♂️ you can definitely be the 1 seed and still not be the best team in the conference…we just gone act like the 2015 Atlanta Hawks didn’t happen

I think you should say steph has had the most stable team of the superstar's. Golden state is such a good organization and they drafted the talent and kept good depth on the team. But I think if we want to look at career you could say LeBron has had the most superstars 19 seasons will do that. I think its easily KD that has had the most help from other high level superstars then anyone else, he has been on one of the top teams every year since 2010/2011. KD has had only the first 2 maybe 3 seasons of his career without help.

Why can’t he ever admit when he’s wrong… *head of the table*

Revisited this video it’s crazy how life works. Bro said Draymond was the engine and he was the biggest liability for the Warriors in the Finals

Hindsight is 2020 but Jesus Christ Riv killed them. Killed the whole monologue Joel had 😂😊

27:40 ok my guy just talking now Steph Klay and Dray did not pop at the same time 2013 who were the guards in the league, he wasn’t producing to be an all star at that time 18 pts is solid no doubt but that year you had CP3 (clippers “contending”) Kobe (arguably his best season) James Harden (I don’t even need to go there) Russell Westbrook (who at that time clearly was making more impact than Klay) and Tony Parker (who was in the midst of helping the Spurs make a back to back finals run). We gotta keep context there in debates we can’t just throw numbers out cause all numbers ain’t the same when it comes to impact

Yall crazy saying CP3 is not a superstar but Joel apologize to Riv because he won that discussion

“Steph curry has been on the best team the last 10 years” “ it’s not a knock on him” but he keeps repeating this.. curry was the first piece to the warriors dynasty, how could he have the most help if he had a lot do with this teams success.. the team literally runs through steph..

That record without draymond there are also some games where step[h didt play. before the all star break the warriors went on a 9-0 streak without draymond. they can win without dray its just that wiggins post all star is playing shit and klay too. klay plays like theres no tomorrow. and steph has this shitty rotation but he will be on his old rotation soon and we will see

i was on joel’s side until riv brought up everyone on golden state was drafted.

Lebron, KD, Harden, & Kyrie have played with more superstars or been on more stacked teams since curry took off. & haven’t achieved as much as him in that period.

16:44 my mans was getting smoked and tried to change the question initially asked

Saying Steph has had the most help is really lazy. Sorry bro that's just lazy. Steph, Kay, Draymond all drafted to the same team. KD came to the Warriors, but had to get permission from Steph first. You're trying to criticize Steph for being a good player that didn't leave and join forces with another team. Unlike Harden, LeBron, Kylie, CP3, Kawahi, PG, and almost all exce a couple have left to join another team to try and win.

These 4 are just plain dumb..bron has played with at least 4 superstars in wade..ad..kyrie..and russ..kd has played with steph..kyrie..harden..russ..that is 4...magic has played with kareem and worthy..steph has only played with one..kd..harden has played with cp3..russ..kd..bird has played with 0 superstar...

Without curry the team is not the warriors, without Dre They be winning,without klay we’ll we’ve seen they can still win.. curry is main part to the warriors success.. but yeah has the most help in a system he’s the most valuable player

Steph: Klay kd Draymond Lebron: Ad, Wade, Kyrie, k love, Bosh Magic: Worthy, kareem, cooper Bird: Walton, parish, Kevin M Jordan: Rodman, Harper, pippen Kobe: Shaq, Pau Duncan: Tony Parker, David R, manu, kawhi Hakeem: Clyde drexler, Barkley, pippen, Ralph Sampson

you say curry and harden have the same fg% which is not true, curry’s having by far his worst season of his career % wise but his 2p% and 3p% are both 3% higher than harden and his efg% is 5% higher

A player that has most help in the past ten years or so is definitely going to KD, y'all are acting like kd didn't have a shit ton of help back in his okc days, then y'all didn't even mention that he's got curry,klay and drays help when he went to the warriors, he wouldn't have won any championship WITHOUT Steph,klay and dray, and it is also LITERALLY a help from those 3 guys cuz they would've won a championship even if kd didn't join them while kd would be ring less if he didn't join the warriors.

The point he missing u can't compare TALENT to production...it's no Curry fault that he and his teammates produce better..🤦🏿

and now he’s in the finals and just dropped 43 shut up joel

A more interesting question is which top 50 player of all time had the worst cumulative supporting cast throughout their career? Out of all the greats, who’s had the least help overall?

This Dray take aged so well... lol

Gotta agree with grey hoodie

20:54 ok so if we playing that game did Bron have D Wade Bosh and a squad to come back to in Miami when they lost in the finals??? Oh but that’s different from Steph coming back to someone tearing their ACL and another player having people speculate it might be over for them cause they don’t look productive at all

Yes and then Durant Those guys are always on stacked team with multiple all stars Same goes for lebrick after 2010 but at least he wasnt on super teams before that

Looking at these clips now is funny

6:15 8:35 9:26 10:33 11:55 14:02 14:52 17:11 18:42 20:00 21:20 talk bruhhh, fam throwing haymakers Edit: dude smacking these points

Watching Joel flip flop and be so disingenuous was hilarious

To not even admit that the finals is where it matters the most made me fast fwd…

Steph has had the most stable team within the last 10 years I’ll say that GS is just that good of an organization. Their is a MAJOR difference between getting drafted into a great system and team and requesting a trade and being traded to a team and creating a super team. Larry’s Celtics we’re all drafted together vs KD going to Golden State that’s 2 WHOLE different scenarios 👀.

Naw that's LeBron James. What other superstar has he had in his career aside from KD. He built a system in Golden State that has allowed them to be dominant.

Aged awfully 😂

19:14 bro….smh stop it…you can’t say Steph got hurt and said to himself ima stay in GS because I got Klay (coming off a catastrophic injury that know one knew if he would come back from and be the same) and I got Dray (coming off self admittedly his worse season because he said he wasn’t motivated to play all while being an undersized forward trying bang with bigs, who knows when someone dealing with that type of punishment year round goes over the hill). They had a horrible record that year and there was no indication they were ever coming back, everyone and they mamma was celebrating the fall of a dynasty. You gotta think these things through before you respond trying to rebuttal

Now the record without steph ? They won only one game s8nce his injury I know it's easy to say it after but still

If revisionist history was a person it would be bro at the head of the table

Was he supposed to leave a good situation where he happy and doing well, that was made around him grown around him dawg he not allowed to be loyal to a good situation, so was MJ supposed to leave the Bulls for somewhere else (not baseball).this a weird take lol

19:01 hilarious lol riv made no sense at all even Joel was like then why listen to those plp……

big boi really just dont like curry his whole argument is invalid

I am sorry Curry has had help but he hasn’t had the most help in the last 10 years,this is a dumb take. Duncan had Ginobli, Parker, and Leonard.Lebron has had Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen that was Miami, Cleveland the second go around Kyrie,and Love, In Los Angeles had AD, and Westbrook. Harden has played with KD, Westbrook, Kyrie, Dwight, CP3, and Joel Embid. Quit acting like Harden hasn’t played with great players.

Riv speaking facts

2018 2019 cp3 carried harden during the gsw series till he got hurt he a superstar

Bro in the middle Lowkey had one of the worst takes

Lebron? Kevin Durant? Harden? Kawhi?

“The most help”. Why do we hate on guys for playing the game the right way? This “help” conversation is always so weird to me. Y’all don’t talk about “help” when it comes to MJ’s run. Y’all damn sure barely talk about all the help Bron has had. Steph has just had a very stable and well functioning team. We aren’t suppose be punishing this man for sticking with the same organization. An organization that rebuilt itself and made themselves attractive to someone like KD. It’s a team sport. And the GSW continue to show most of their success has come from drafting and development.

The goal is to emulate war/hunting. Chips mean you won the meat and the lovelies. Best dude in your tribe never runs stuff The guy with close to your skills but a brain makes you the winner

This is probably the worst title you can make. Someone already made a GOAT list of all the best players' win % when they play/don't play. MJ was at 25%+ in 3rd place, Lebron at 30%+ in 2nd place. Because someone else was number #1 at 32%+ win when they play vs when they don't. Want to take a guess who I'm talking about?

I think Steph maybe the luckiest player of the 2010s, gets drafted by the best org in the league and faced an injury-ridden Cavs team multiple times, got KD after blowing a 3-1 lead. The media is always there to cover for him too when he falls flat

Opening monologue literally aged like milk

Most help? You're crazy. The offense runs through Curry. We've seen Draymond play a season without Curry. And we've seen seasons of Curry without Dray. So that's stupid

Lmao the guy arguing keeps changing the question to fit the narrative against Steph.

Not in total no, but he’s had more help at any one point at time than anyone ever

CP3 definitely was a superstar in OKC stop capping, you know how many players wouldn’t be able to take the Thunder team to the playoffs??? They damn near knocked out Houston who had way more talent that year

Aye bro Joel was spazzing on that, he was speaking some fax bro 😂

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LeBron left Miami KD left Golden St

God damn those draymond takes ages horribly after the finals

This didn’t age well 😂😂😂😩

Not anymore...

I'm sorry, have you heard of a guy named Lebron James?

Homie in the middle arguing with feelings instead of facts and it shows heavily.

99% of player success is based on their situation and Curry was drafted by a front office that was smart in drafting talent and creating a system for that talent to thrive. We're seeing now Wiggins, Poole, Kuminga all thrive bc of the system the front office built and the training staff to develop the talent. That organization Is the real MVP, they know what they're doing

Riv smoked his take bruh

Weird take, better to say he has had the most sustainable team lol idk bout best, u takin a hit by a nigga who stayed wit his team n won chips, lol his organization just understands how to build around him unlike most superstars but to say he’s had the most help is a reach

I feel like Joel was trying to say at the beginning as a superstar he had the most help in the past 10 years not he played with the most superstars

Anyone that thinks Golden State losing is mainly cause of Draymond is a casual

This guy is a Steph hater and it’s obvious.

I would love to get on this show for one day to talk about Steph in the playoffs. Make you look dumb.

Bro in da Grey shirt make the dumbest take🤣🤣😂STEPH curry is the engine that make its go..with out steph 2015-2019 they are not more than a 6th seed..

Definitely don't like the big dude basketball take lmaoo everyone else is making sense .

Rockets fans are delusional lmfaoo

This is the worst take I’ve ever seen

Lillard has had the least help of any superstar and you guys still trash him.

Two things can be true. Steph has had a lot of help, but Steph is the glue that holds that team together as well.

Perhaps KD or LeBron but either way, Curry is an amazing player and the best 3pt shooter ever. But he has always had a bunch of help. Green, KD, Klay, Kerr, is a super strong core, and it wouldn't work without Curry but it is alot of help. LeBron also has had a bunch of help that wouldn't work without him, but you would always take Green, Klay, and KD over Wade/ Bosh, Kyrie/Love, or Davis.

Steph curry is the most protected player in the league

JOEL!! Dog you gotta stop spitting facts at these dudes cause they can’t handle it

As a Minnesota guy, there’s nothing better than watching Riv getting clowned for a silly tipriding take lmao

The argument was the in the last 10 years curry has had the best rosters. Picking a specific year like 2019 kawhi or 2015 Lebron isnt the argument, its over the 10 years on average curry has had the best rosters. 100% facts.

guy in the middle is a hater bro there’s nothing wrong with being wrong just admit it lmao

Terrible takes....

in my opinion Steph should never have been considered a superstar. Superstar is the guy who solohandedly gives you an appropriate result. In Steph's case he's still better than Westbrook and probably AD, but no one else really. Jokic gives you a playoffs spot no matter what, Embiid gives it, so does Luka, LeBron, KD, Harden, Giannis. Curry shouldn't be compared to those guys. He fooled the entire NBA community by putting a really great box office for 1,5 years in regular seasons, giving you Globethrotters vibe, but even after that, he's not dominant as a solo force. He needs everything goes his way to even make the playoffs, and he needs everybody healthy as well to win a first round matchup. In 23 playoffs series he did play he really only showed dominance in a Portland 2019 series against one of the worst defenses of all time with injured Nurkic as well. After all those years trying to defend him and hopefully waiting him to show up all I see is he is Mike Conley level of player without Draymond. I completely fine with him putting 25ppg in playoffs but in reg season already?

Yes most overrated pkauer ever

Curry us a soft pkayer on 2 suowr stacked teams and rhe perfect system and rules lots of moving screens and no cibtact allowed hes top 16-20 at best he cant guard a chair and if his teams werent always well built hed miss rhe playoffs often . Hes a great shooter thiugh and lasser okay maker thats why hes top 16-20

Ive been yelling this since 2015. Curry is the most overrated player in the last 10 years. Yes his the best 3pt shooter. But when his off. He does nothing else. Great ball handling?!? Hellll no. Curry is a turnover machine. Curry isnt clutch. Curry is a front runner. Curry faws get covered up by Draymond and klay. Besides shooting. What does curry do better then klay or dray? Nothing!!

lebron has had the most help

Joe(L)

Steph is the most coddled player in NBA History. More than MJ