Yep😂

I believed they would also cut off the balls of young boys to keep their voices high and in female range purely for plays

​@@ashiningsoul449There's hardly any evidence of that to my knowledge. Do correct me though. It certainly wasn't a widespread practice (Edit: In Shakespearean theatre).

​@JuMiKu it absolutely was a fairly widespread practice at least in Italy, they're known as castrati

@@anthonyfox585 The topic was Shakespeare. Castratos were obviously a thing in singing.

Yes, it is called Onnagata (女形/女方) in Kabuki.

And for a similar reason, prostitution was high so women were banned from the stage. Ironically, later onnagata were banned as well, resulting in male character only plays. That in turn resulted in more homoerotic themes lmao

Geisha used to be a male performer until women took it over.

Thing is Kabuki was invented by a woman named Izumo no Okuni and all the perfomers used to be women. Till they were banned from doing it, it was lifted but until today only few female troupes exist.

Bando Tamasaburo V is one of those onnagatas and he is just fa.tas.tic. So ethereal, so feminine, such a beauty. It's really impressive to see him performing

😂😂

😂

The nan dans, huddled together in the dressing room: careful boys, if the women find out we can shapeshift, they're gonna-wAIT A MINUTE

@@doodledogdiary3644 PFFFT 😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣

​@@doodledogdiary3644 They team up and help each other. Beauty tips, spying on husbands, how to do certain styles correctly, ect.

Yeah, what people don’t understand is that drag is a global phenomenon. Some drag shows are family friendly, others are not - just like any other kind of media or performance art. Banning all drag shows is irrational.

LMAO

This actually happened in many places in the case of theater, where men played roles that were female because women weren't allowed to. I think I'm Greece/Rome as well

Technically true. Although this was common all around the world, it is possible that the word drag comes from this practice

​@@kenniesaurus27it doesn't make it good. Playing women when women weren't even allowed to play themselves isn't a good thing.

That is pretty weird in an of itself.

What country?

​@@ceejay1476 why? Drag men exist, but people usually focus scope on drag women. That said if one exists so does the counter form not weird nor weirder at all.

​@@houndgirl7365 i think they said it was weird that it is apparently common for characters to have to climb onto other characters in plays

Okay, now I need more details 😂 You commonly have acrobatics in plays?

all this solely to keep women from performing 💀 let's not even start with other ways women were treated in ancient china lol

The same thing happened in ancient Greece.

As objects, art pieces, but not the artists.

right? people don't take misogyny seriously at all

Majority of people don't know any better. People against gays and trans realized the irony in it all, let it die down and slowly made people forget about the whole thing but made sure to remind everyone to hate others because religion says so.

I don't know about Chinese opera, but for Japanese Kabuki, for what I learned at the university, if I remember it correctly, (I never researched it deeply myself though, so I'm sorry if I'm wrong), women can't perform on the stage to prevent prostitution, so all the roles are played by men..

Reading this is making me realize its happening now with womens sports and even in beauty pagents where men would transition to to win when in reality there's still misogynistic undertones to it

@catjustine10 lmao sure transphobe

Indeed. And the level of insecurity that shows us. Just how afraid were men of woman anyway? I mean, we can see it to this day. I was watching thisvideo earlier, it brought up an interesting point. Some of the older generations when talking about woman cant talk about how they genuenly like them, but they have to do this " oh the old ball and chain " thing, or if you ask them what kind of woman do you like , theill go " tall, big ass". Even today, a lot of straight guys cant talk about a woman without subtly demeening the idea of them. They cant be like " ah woman who have a beautiful smile" or something, because that kind of description sounds too gentle or something. As a straight guy myself, ive seen that so much, but luckally i didnt conform to many norms anyway so i didnt get the virus xd So yeah, pretty afraid XD

No fr tho, idk how much was " man afraid of woman" and how much " the law sais it and we cant do much about it", i havent really learned much chinese history unfortunately.

Bros just wanted an excuse to be gay in public 😔(ITS A JOKE)

That's literally the plot of the movie Shakespeare In Love.

In ancient Greece as well

Bromeo, bromeo, wherfore art thou bromeo

​@@rosewhiteheart8203😂😂😂

You know women were treated as sub-human, therefore they couldn't participate in art, right?! This is not cute

Aaaaaa i was looking for the comment recommending this! Literally one of my fav films

Leslie Chung embodied the role so well! Loved that film

Truly so good.

Stage Beauty with Billy Crudup and Claire Danes.

where can I watch it? 😃

For me it seems just very comparisable to our drag queens nowadays. Men dressed up as woman to perform. So its not odd at all (just the part where woman weren’t allowed to be actors is odd.)

@@corinazzz1347 i dont think i asked you

​@@corinazzz1347Women don't have the right to have jobs back in the day, why would it be weird, you've never learned history or smt?

​@@corinazzz1347I thought the same, It's pretty much drag

@@corinazzz1347I agree it’s not odd it’s a very respectable art form

why fighting?... let those idiots dress as females and enjoy the show.

NO.

Giving birth

it's sad to see us losing privacy rights in this day& age. we are losing out sports as well. we fought so hard to be able to play, now it's all disappearing.

@@jewel65 Why?

Feminists are exhausting and boring as well.

Drags of today domt perform any art except for putting makeup and sitting in front of camera. The chinese ones were opera artists, magicians etc. The look makeup was the part of the actual art. It was not the centre of it

This isn’t drag at all. Nandan is a performance art that draws from millennia of Chinese history and culture. Drag is generic term not rooted in any specific history or lineage. It’s silly, vulgar, and comedic. It’s great, don’t get me wrong. But it’s an entirely different thing.

This isn't really drag, they were roles where females come but women were forbidden to come on stage

Exactly.

Sad that people are glorifying this.

​@gingerbreadman.8940 I mean, it's still fascinating, and you can't blame these men for fitting into the rules of the era. It wasn't right for the laws to exist and for women to be so marginalized but it's just fascinating to see sexism and strict gender roles go so far that it circles back on itself and actually becomes a comment on the fluidity of gender roles.

So milleniums worth of art and culture is cramped together under the banner of misogyny because you said so?

​@@MollyHJohnsjust what I was thinking. Such labels are merely bandaids applied to soothe the minds of those who feel some imagined wound or guilt that isn't even theirs.

The flute is a dizi

The song is a cover of the song 赤岭 (chì líng)

@@aliyjhn thank you for the blessing of the name of this song you are a real one

yes by the government's end but calling the preformers who didnt have any choice misogynystic is just dumb.

ahahah rlly?

@@raspberryquartz6186 yes i have

he did, in Day Day Up he played the role of Zhao Yun

He was playing male roles from what I saw

​@@etherLune Zhao Yun was a male character

Brain rot

Yeah misogyny is awesome, high five!

Put the screen down. Damn

​@@iammar1159drag queens aren't misogynistic, what are you on?

they are ugly sexiest theme for kids Nowadays

They were afraid women would realize they were human too. They wanted women as oppressed as possible, it's bigger than this form of art, it's about male domination and what roles men reserved for women in Patriarchal societies: mothers, wives, prostitutes, and sometimes some type of underpaid worker (depending on the historical moment). Nothing more.

Misogyny.

The second excuse. Also, the patrons of opera probably had a tendency of enticing actors into sex work. I guess you could call that fighting misogyny with misogyny? 🤷🏿‍♀️

@@crnkmnkyyeah someone commented about it preventing prostitution

@@shanel4294preventing prostitution but they just turned the men into prostitutes anyway so what’s the point

The original Rupal's drag stage 😂

And they were roommates.

​@@lenapoolaw211oh my god! They were roommates.

😂😂

Just regular lifelong bachelors who, purely by coincidence, happened to find each other.

😂

D --> idc drag queens are better

true. but also a great opportunity for the lovely queens.

​@@beastshawneetrue

it's more like women had to cover themselves and not appear in public, so they couldn't be on stage and be looked at by people. still disgusting though.

There’s a reason similar events happened around the world, traditional gender roles prevented women from performing at some point in history for many countries. This actually backfired in japan when they banned female roles altogether, which led to homoerotic themes in their plays

​@@DeeDee-ej9mqwell, it's just an art form that still exists in China to this day.

Exactly, ew

​@@muffinconsumer4431i wonder why there's a convergence in cultures on why women aren't allowed to perform on stage. Clearly religion, patriarchy and gender roles aren't solely to blame.

Oh word? I've thought about trying it but the ads make it look awful (like bad storylines)

​@pvp6077 those ads have nothing to do with the actual game, it's really fun !

Oh it’s that nikki dress up game

Qin yi the beloved

I stopped playing Love Nikki when Shining Nikki came out.. idk it felt like they were gonna abandon Love Nikki..

I was thinking the same

But not to this level of professionalism and sophistication.

Pure misogyny

Nope. Movies are never a concrete source for any topic or subject. Better ro look into the life of Mei Lan Fang who was renowned for his female impersonation and was well received in many countries in the West.

In fairness, lots of things have roots in misogyny, racism, sexism, ect. Not trying to hate, just saying

based.

They were! Gia Gunn, from season 6, was a Kabuki dancer since childhood! She implanted that in the race and in her shows many times ❤

Good to know we agree that it was misogyny back then and it’s still misogyny now. Men love to mock women and pretend they can be one if they want to.

@@mercyfulfate666yesss I love her AS4 talent show, she should’ve won for that!!

Nah they slay

​@@muffinconsumer4431true but women probably should've been able to be in theater just in general

@@muffinconsumer4431No they don’t,stop lying, they look like my village masquerade

@@user-burner There’s like 20 other forms of theater that allow women. God forbid just a single one only lets men in

Thank you for sharing...

Nope at least they were castrated or were bi so the husband top him and thought that guy was gay so it was ok if he was around the wife, but HA, he was bi 😂

​@@timeless9820what?

Yeah, cause misogyny is pretty old fr

@karaflash drag is not misogynia

Well, I don't understand the last bit of your ramblings but; Until recently, women were expected to either be learning how to tend to a home, or married and tending to a home. There are some cultures not like this, but all the big ones were. Women were inferior, and may as well been property. Something like acting would have been seen as too prestigious for a woman. Until maybe 70~ years ago, if a woman did anything in a scientific field, or anything that might have made them famous, seem equal, or seem greater then a man, would either get their achievements erased, unsuccessfully, or attributed to their husband.

Jealousy and insecurity. That's major reason why. It's not like woman weren't doing arts. Look at Geshia and all the court dancers in every country. Woman were doing it. However the difference is , a man can exclusively enjoy it. It was for his entertainment only whereas as in plays the woman is entertaining other man. Also acting as someone's else lover.... Imagine hearing how people praising the chemistry btw your wife and the actor is better than your's. Like how we do today with actors. Not something that most man would able to tolerate, at that time. There was also possibility of her getting advances from all kinds of man and falling in love with an actor or a spectator. Then eloping away.

In fact, it is also common for women to play men in Chinese opera.

MEN ☕☕

it's called drag

Wtf

It ain't that deep it had nothing to do with gender identity it was just role filling

@@Cookie-xy7hk it aint that deep i was saying a trans woman would like the job im not saying all of them were trans, this type of acting within theater happens all around the world and it most definitely is about gender identity when they are literally seperating who is allowed on stage by gender and having those who are male dress and act like a female identity?

Cantonese Opera plays fast and loose with their standards, which are not as high as what one encounters in Kunquo Opera or Beijing Opera. Attend a Cantonese Opera and see the difference.

There's nothing woke about it

@@baristaz8834 i’m pretty sure the og comment is mocking those people who see actual history and go “waaah! waaah! wOke!!!”

@@flareboi I've seen too many people calling things woke to belief this is sarcasm but sure

@@baristaz8834 oh no i getcha, the reason i think this is satire is the “!!1!” because it’s a common internet shorthand for using a mocking tone

Literally lmao. Drag has existed as an art form for centuries

Real

Well 1. This is an extremely sexist practice of barring women from the stage and 2. Almost no one gives af about drag as long as you dont put your fake breasts and clown make up in children’s faces (though lets be real its practically woman-face minstrel shows)

hmm idk. think abt it if they hate dressing and acting like women, they would take on the men roles. maybe these actors already have trans tendency or incline to being females, so they could already easily adjust to those female roles

Well, as she said, women were oppressed during those times and weren't allowed to perform/learn theatre arts but the performances are often reenactments of history events / folklore which involve a lot of female characters. They still need to be portrayed in their acts hence theatre troupes took advantage of a loop hole in the law. Female character but played by men. I have seen the opposite to be true. Women dressed and acting as male characters too.

​@@raspberryquartz6186Drag has nothing to do with being trans 💀

i think it does. and i was replying to the op that said it was "forced drag, awful". @@flaccid6pancake

​@@raspberryquartz6186this is just acting and crossdressing, it have nothing to do with trans