Imagine calling Neace dishonest (which he literally IS), while advertising SMURF ACCOUNTS MADE BY BOTS in the video LMAO. The audacity.

as an iron player i really appreciate you advertising selling smurfs, that way i can practice with people that have literally no reason to be in my elo other than feeding their really unstable self worth 👍👍 edit: (guys relax, I'm not actually thinking that the games I lose are because of smurfs, nor do I encounter many/any; I just thought the concept of selling smurfs while talking about bad business practices was a bit funny)

He is dishonest "Go ahead and buy smurf accounts to beat up new players" lmaoooooo bruh wild.

I don’t play LoL but do smurfs mean something different in this game? I can’t imaging someone calling someone else unethical/dishonest then proceeds to sell Smurf accounts. That is absolutely insane to me.

tyler1 had a solid take. i remember being trash at csgo but thinking i needed a coach. just watching myself play and watching others improved me drastically.

Video starts with an AD for smurf accounts. What a moment to watch a video criticizing someone and at the same time being supported by companies that sell smurf accounts

Calling someone fake while openly breaking ToS and selling smurf accounts. The hypocrisy! Why anyone would ever pay for coaching or buy an account is beyond me.

"show me support by buying a smurf with my link" aaaaaaand I ain't watching it, all it took was that sentence.

Advertising for Smurfs is so cringe

I dont even play league of legends and I think it's absolutely brain dead to take on a smurf sponsor in a video about dishonestly in league. I mean the lack of awareness here is absolutely remarkable, honestly mind boggling

thank you for advertising smurfs, getting friends into league was honestly too easy with all the already existing smurfs stomping them every single game, finally it can be a bit more challenging

neace: complains about being target hated also neace: creates literal burner accounts to target hate other creators or anyone who disagrees with him and praise himself 🙂

I think he could have easily avoided most of the hate from the community by not being an arrogant piece of shit in his responses, honestly. People would have lost interest and he could've continued doing whatever

The most important thing is not whether your rank is chall, GM, or even just master (That's just ego flexing), they're all good enough rank to provide value to low elo players. The truly MOST important component that measures your worth as a teacher is the progression of your students. If a person is a challenger player that doesn't make him a good coach it only gets him a good start, if his students make zero progress after his coaching tips then he's a bad coach. If a person is a master player and coaches students to 1-2 or more ranks above where they currently are, then that master player is a WAY better coach than the challenger player and deserves more credit for it.

Tyler1 has played League so addictively, that he remembers practically every player and username he has come across in his multiple challenger climbs (so he can blame them for his losses and losers queues later of course.) The fact that he has no clue who NEACE is, is due to the fact that NEACE has never been at Tyler1's elo.

literally 'you wouldnt know my girlfriend she goes to a different school' energy with these challenger claims

great video had no clue this was going on but i agree with Tyler if you spend money on coaching on any game and you are low elo you get what's coming to ya.

I actively gasped when yasukeh hit him with the “military vet would understand the concept of stolen valor”

lost it at "no she didn't she fucking died after your coaching, she couldn't afford food"

Can't believe Yasukeh put so much time and effort in to make this vid, what a chad.

I like that the Jaymo arc really brought neace and tarzaned together. That was the best league content there ever was

Keep bringing us content man. Great job.

League needed this kinda long form community content, keep it up man 👍👍

shilling smurfs that ruin the game while talking down on someone else ruins your validity 100%. you cant get mad at someone for being dishonest when you do the same things

What do you mean he's dishonest? Didn't you saw his challenger backpack???? Do you have a backpack? Don't think so. 😎 edit:wtf i'm in the video lol

good video! best part was you drawing graphs in paint :DD

Faked or not his vids got me from silver to diamond.

the tldr is: He photoshopped a challenger screenshot, then refused to admit it. That's it. The end.

Sponsored by a website that sells smurfs ? Man I'm no fan of Neace but that's a pretty shity sponsor to have for League content wtf...

Ive always felt super uncomfortable watching him scream at the top of his lungs at some iron player making a single choice of them own and he didnt get his, often actually very stupid way. Such an ego maniac

You just gave me my next video idea. I wanna make a parody of Neace's coaching, I just need to find a friend to play the client.

I can't imagine paying $300 to get yelled at I would start crying lol

Bro I just got into league. Neace was like the only youtuber I found both entertaining and Informative (mostly watching his coaching videos). Why am I already bieng ganked by drama lmao

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Hey there, great video! I just have one little thing I would think would be an improvement. I sometimes found it kind of hard to see where exactly we where on the timeline. That wasn't much a problem at the start, but it did get quite confusing sometimes during the "fake challenger" debate. So maybe some clear marks stating years or months would be a good addition ^^

I never understood people paying for the coaching "let me spend 350$ to get yelled at on a dying youtube channel."

What I dislike about his character, is that he uses his "veteran" status every chance he gets. I'm also ex military, and know how many times I've used that to defend my character? zero times. Most of my old mates don't need validation of their actions to boost their egos. Neace obviously is of the other camp.

This was really interesting to watch. When I first saw the video I figured I wouldn't watch it in full, however I got so into it, grabbed my nail stuff, and decided to finish my halloween nail set while watching the video!!! haha Anywho, I found neace only a few months ago even though I've been playing League for like 5 years. One of his coaching vids popped up on my homepage. I thought he was funny and the session was interesting so I followed him. I had no idea he had this kind of history, and after watching everything I see a guy who ruined a good friendship with someone who probably would have and could have seriously helped him along the way (Ninja), tanked his rep, and made himself look way worse online than he probably really is, all because of ego and shame. The way he responded to so many people, the way he created burner accounts and lied and got so defensive, that all just shows someone who is insecure, embarrassed, and unhappy. I honestly felt bad for him in a way when you were showing how he kept trying to reach out to LS, just because it was so obvious he was so desperate to be liked in the scene by guys above him. I am totally not a Ninja fan, but for the first time in my life i'm going to defend the man because what he said about Neace during the Fortnite stream was so minor.....yet the response from Neace was soooooo out of proportion. That spoke volumes, and showed that Neace has a complex and a lot of insecurities around/about himself, and that's why he always has to respond, that's why he has 4598456840596 burner accounts to falsely boost his ego, and that's also why he'll never be able to take chill genuine feedback.....he's so insecure that he will take anything other than pure admiration, as a full fledge attack. It's honestly sad, and I have no hate for the dude, I hope he works on nis mental health and makes it through his divorce.

Makes a video about a fishy coach Also advertises smurf accounts Maaaan I mean come on. This is above and beyond just pure balls "Im here to make money" move XD

the LS rant while walking on the treadmill with the Lemmino Cipher music is hilarious asf

Great video bro! Really enjoyed hour and a half of the video. Hoping for this video to blow up!

Havent sat and watched an over 1 hour documentary on a league topic in years. Extremely well put together.

Supports the selling of smurf accounts while simultaneously calling out someone for shady business practices. Zero integrity found here.

the service says , win games with a challenger player , and when you lose he responds is "yeah you should improve it was your fault"

The amount of work and research you put on every video is crazy 👏👏

Interesting and well researched vid. I have mixed feelings about League content creators though that offer sales on smurf accounts.... I think this is bad for the game.

amazing video love ur content

I know it's been 2 weeks but just a light request if you could lower the volume on the music in the background, it'd be much appreciated. great breakdown!

As someone who played league a long time ago and wasn't too shabby at it, Neace just seemed off to me the few weeks I watched him, i was watching his coaching sessions at first and questioned a lot of the decisions he was making for these people. I kept thinking maybe the meta has just changed that much and my knowledge has finally faded into oblivion, it's been a while. Then I saw him livestreaming his own gameplay and low and behold so many times that he was just straight throwing matches with horrible decision making at only platinum ranking while blaming his team for the loss the entire time and banning anybody who criticized him in chat. And don't get me wrong, theres nothing wrong with being a platinum player. That's still something you can be proud of, it's still well above average... but it's no challenger rank like he was claiming to be.

hazmat keep it up man me personally i love the vids im sure alot of other people do too. I hope u make it as a big youtuber and chase ur dreams. Keep the work

I was a neace enjoyer, not a paying customer but I enjoyed his videos since I mained top once upon a time. He removed his goodbye video and it always rubbed me the wrong way how he treated clients (many of them were room temp iq I probably woulda lost it too tbf) This video chronically everything really changed my perspective. Particularly the Ninja drama and his wife’s follow up. It’s clear he was deeply jealous of ninja and felt it should have been him. He expected handouts and recognition, and never gave any to his paying customers. The constant game changes and returns to league really solidified his “I’m just here for the money” ness in my mind. Anyway this is really long, loved the video good stuff

Brings Neace back!! Honestly I’ve learned more from watching old videos of him than any other “coach” or streamer

I would never pay that much for coaching, but anyone can watch his coaching sessions, roughly know what he will tell them in their session, and if they still want to get a session with him while knowing all of that then that is up to them.

A “ringer” is not just a substitute and is common term in American sports. You’re ringer is generally one of your best players, who use in sneaky ways to try to gain an advantage. You can take 5 seconds to google this…. But instead decided to make up your own definition and just use that in a massive documentary you are posting online. I am 4 minutes in and that level of “research” (I am too lazy to google it and made my own definition) really does not bode well for the accuracy of the rest of this video.

Me: *sees title and thumbnail* Also me: “oooooooo~ooooooohh”

congratz on this vid popping off.

I like the documentary a lot but my main issue is you have all these multi-millionaire content creators complaining that Neace defrauded people because he technically wasn't challenger albeit most likely at a challenger level which makes sense, but has any of his clients ever came out angry because instead of being challenger he was a very high grandmaster player? He has a lot of flaws, narcist, unreasonable, prone to anger and refuses to admit fault. However a lot of people criticizing feel so disingenuous in their attacks, it boils down to technicality and the consumers involved haven't really shown to come out and demand reparations to my knowledge. It's fine to just say yeah he wasn't technically challenger so he is lying technically, but from what I gather in the documentary he essentially at that skill level (not sure about recent times) for a good bit. It does come off as nitpicking and going after someone unlikable because how he responded. There was no mass of people calling him a scammer feeling betrayed he was 450lp vs 500 for that one day, so why are the content creators so hung up on it that they'd continually spend hours and hours talking about it and researching it? From someone vaguely familiar with everyone involved but not really following it too closely it just comes off as people tried to crucify him on a lie and didn't really care about people being scammed purely because they don't like the guy. It kind of seems like if I say I was a firefighter for 40 years and used that as a way of giving advice when technically I was one for 39 years and am getting crucified for lying to people about it. Like LS was obviously moral grandstanding, essentially trying to take moral high road without openly disapproving of the coaching price which is a bit cowardly. Tarzaned actually made a very good point because not giving someone their money back for a coaching session they missed when it's 350 bucks and you're a multimillionaire seems pretty scummy. Yasukeh seemed like he was kinda doing what he thought was right but also milking the situation imo. Maybe I'm just too out of the loop but I feel like this is a bit overblown and nobody really cared about the people being affected, man is free to charge what he charges if people pay they pay, he's not forcing them or pressuring them into it as far as I know so who really cares. The same streamers complaining about the pricing will accept 50 dollar donations from kids using their allowance just to say hi on stream yet take issue with someone paying for a service they believe is overpriced. I agree he shouldn't say challenger coaching but maybe challenger level coaching, just a dumb hill to die on. All in all seems like nobody gives a shit about what they say they care about and just wanted an excuse to shit on people they hate.

Smurf advertisements? Cringe.

blown away by this. mans even knows how much college debt he has 💀💀

Great video. Dident know about the Adrian thing just remberd geting hes videos recomended and watching it for 5 min realizing he dident understand fundementals about jungle tempo and kitteing camps or wave state in mid when he said coaching basics to gold/silver players.

I just wonder...who actually gives 2 craps? I've seen his coaching videos..although I would never pay for coaching in general he actually puts effort into his videos...if people are willing to pay for it...great for him while others like yourself are making hour and a half videos and spending probably dozens of hours editing this to literally talk BS about him... he spent those dozens of hours making money... keep on wasting time...I just love the drama xD

Great video. Honestly, Neace didn't need to fake all that stuff to have his business work and be profitable. If he had let go of his ego as a player and assumed more of a businessman and spokesperson role hiring challenger coaches, he coulda had the best coaching site in the community for sure. I doubt this time out helps him see that. It takes a lot of honesty and courage to step forward and apologize.

Hows he calling them elitist when he charges so much for one coaching session lmfao

I really loved the way he peaked in platinum 4 on korea for 3 months straight, went on a new account and "hit" challenger all of a sudden. He apparently "changed" his Tryndamere Runes to Absolut Focus Scorch which caused his massive surge on Wins. Make of it what you will

Man this is such a well put together dissection, you seriously deserve more for this journalism. Well done.

I would highly recommend looking into the bootcamp. That was by far the worst thing that he did. Try to get in contact with Oorix, Cygnus, SG Hidden, Mr. Kalish, or any of the old members of that bootcamp. There were so many awful management, unpaid labor, and weird drama happening in the 2nd bootcamp.

really well done documentary, sucks that the ad makes it less believable to some ppl, just checked neace s tweets and i was flabbergasted, what goes inside his mind to tweet these things and think "ye thats gon be good for my public image"

i'm watching a critique of a critique of a critique. internet is wild.

The nishonest downfall of deace

I watched a lot of Neace videos. Because of them, I was able to get out of Bronze for the first time after 8 years of playing League. And then I finally reached gold and started having more fun with the game. You can say what you will about him, but he made it easy for me to understand and apply concepts. And I, for one, am thankful for his content.

I love an unbiased documentary piece about internet drama. Nice!

Great stuff.

Great video, clear you put a lot of time into this!

lets all be real he made cash off clueless noobs and we all loved it cuz his flaming them was classic lol.... and watching people suck more than ourselfs is just great haha

This man needs to stay in solidary confinement.

My friend booked a coaching session with Neace, Neace canceled the session so he could play Cyberpunk 2077 (it was just released that week) and never rescheduled my friend or refunded him. Thats when I lost respect for the dude.

this video is essentially "dont buy coaching, buy accounts"

I have never bought a session to Neace but I did find his videos entertaining and slightly educational. I didn't go too deep into them cause I was using them as background noise and mainly entertainment. It's sad that a player and a person can be better but doesn't. If he was just honest I think he would have made less money but he would have a better name for himself.

Not LS projecting so hard in the clip around 1:24:00. I mean lets be real LS gives most people the heebie geebies and is KNOWN for being a total weirdo. The irony.

Love this guy playing partners in crime, when explaining how supply and demand works :)

Edit: i want to iterate in an edit now before the main comment that bias isnt necessarily bad. It's actually good that youre coming to conclusions and stating what you think. My issue is that the mistakes in the video, some of which i highlight below, are either the consequence of incompetence or your bias overriding good sense. Either one of these is unacceptable when you're attempting to release a video that can have tangible effects. The mistakes and inconsistencies I caught are completely unacceptable in a long-form documentary style video and should have been caught, period. This video is riddled with a lot of bias and a lot of nonsense and it's a shame to hear. Very little credit is given to Neace and this video serves more as a hitpiece rather than a documentary. I'll note just a few of the many issues I personally have with the video. 1. You bring up the scientific method in regards to confirming challenger rank, but the scientific method is in no way related? Just a very strange turn of phrase used to degrade "testimonial evidence". Sure, testimonial evidence may seem unscientific, but in a court of law where people are judged by their peers, anecdotal and eyewitness testimony is the most valued form of evidence. This is not a scientific dispute and the scientific method shouldn't be used to characterize the value of the evidence brought forward. 2. You've mentioned Yasukeh's criticisms of Neace's coaching but fail to account for the context in which that occurred. Yasukeh view farmed by reviewing tiktoks of the coaching sessions. There's really nothing else to be said here, any analysis given under the context isnt useful. The fact that this isn't mentioned is an issue. Other critiques mentioned in the video are highly justified and valuable, and Neace absolutely should be held to the fire for live game coaching practices, but nevertheless you need to communicate the value of Yasukeh's commentary based on context. Incredible that earlier you brought up the scientific method in light of your utter failure here. 3. Furthermore, the claims of paid actors made by Yasukeh are incredibly cringe. Just because accounts that featured on the paid coaching aren't active doesn't mean they were paid actors. Again, you bring up the value of the scientific method but fail to mention how the evidence provided doesn't demonstrate the veracity of the claim made. Genuinely incredible. There are a number of other issues with the video that frankly I've forgotten because theres just so much volume of fuckery. Neace deserves to be held to the fire for a lot, especially his coaching practices and the claims of his "multi-role" challenger experience because I can say just from my years of playing in those elos, that's a bald faced lie. This man only ever got to high elo in NA with TF and Tryndie practically. But still, you obviously need to review your methodology for your videos going forward, it boggles my mind the ineptitude.

Very good expose, im still going to hold off on jumping ship too quickly because this sort of back and forth gets very messy no matter how convincing one side sounds, but these are all alot of good points. Originally i had been a subscriber of neace for the past couple of years especially after a long break i took from league and was mildly trying to find my competitive league fire back for ranked, i started eating up alot of his content and honestly to this day would still say that whether you think his coaching is good or bad, i WAS able to get some form of useful insight from his approach, however i wont sit here and say he is the pinnacle of advice, simply that for a while i enjoyed his raw and unfiltered going-in-dry image, but that is just my particular case where some of his "application" of fundamentals actually ended up useful to me. And by useful i mean, the type of thing you'd think is so obvious but you choose to ignore it anyway because it seems so insignificant, but still makes the difference regardless of who is relaying that advice. However i never relied on neace to "learn how to play" but rather as a source to pick up certain things that everyone else probably does anyway, but possibly never mentioned upfront and just, as i said earlier, Raw and unfiltered That may just be me being able to pick out what i deem applicable to progress i've proven to myself i've made with what i got from his videos, rather than him being a "good league coach" or having accurate or well-founded game knowledge. In total i suppose the idea i had of neace was, he's this hardened "Veteran"(inrl and league) who backs up what he says and gives you the no-fluff no-bullshit hard lessons, but i also never clung to that or jumped on the wagon of "any criticism is just hate" that he seemed to be pushing, and whenever he said it, i always sort of side eyed it but of course, Neace to me was just someone i watched for useful tips and enjoyed his apparent tough-love and to the point manner of speaking Its like that one Basketball coach you have in highschool thats really hard on you and you think looks down on you until you realize how much energy he's spending to whip you into shape, and then laughs with you after the game. However this was MY take on him, i had never looked into him or his social life beyond his videos and maybe a couple streams because quite frankly, i never cared. So as someone who was only mildly interested in his content and manner of coaching, and was able to in my own way find use in what others would likely just consider inadequate, i have to say this is all very interesting to hear, And while I believe i agree with LS on the "technically just business but morally dont like it" stance, i also never cared about the money part, which seems to add up with the concise explanation of "We dont dislike you because of your business we dislike you because of dishonesty etc", because that part to me IS QUITE DISAPPOINTING. However its particularly disappointing because i believed atleast on the surface i had enough reason to respect him as a content creator, im not exactly surprised however that this is what was going on outside of what i was paying attention to, it still sucks however because he seems like the kind of coach i prefer to learn from: No sugar coating, To the point, Raw and unfiltered experience but backs up what he's talkin about and knows his stuff. That was my IMAGE of him before watching this, and while im not about to quickly jump on the "oh yeah he's awful" train yet, i appreciate the effort you put into compiling all of this as its food for thought on how i view him in a wider scope. I dont believe any of this invalidates what i took from his videos in the past as, as i've said i've found my own form of use in it, but i do DEFINATELY understand where all the dislike comes from. Whenever people criticize his Sometimes sarcastic and otherwise heavy-handed style of coaching, i always view that in a different light because that on its own is just one thing, but DISHONESTY with not only his image, but his business as well, now that changes alot of things including of course credibility, and that sucks, because once again while i wasnt completely fooled by it, i always had a slight side-eye when he says stuff at times but at the very least i found his content as food for thought enough that i wanted it to be credible, i WANTED to believe it, so if all of this truly is as solid as it seems, then damn, that really does damage the respect i thought i had for him. TLDR: I now understand a wider take on the issues people have with Neace outside of his youtube videos. His business ethics is a grey zone, but how he portrays himself on social media, and "advertises" is technically both dishonest, and false advertising. So in total im not gonna just immediately switch my brain to "he's awful" just yet, but this is rather hard evidence to some extent, hard to argue with it and does shine a light on stuff i simply didnt care about surrounding him. I maintain most of how i felt towards his content on youtube but him as a business man or just as a person, not so sure anymore. The image i had of him will simply remain that, an image, or memory, but reality seems to be he just wasnt that person behind the scenes, unfortunate.

Imagine if he got the chall font right, noone of this debate would've happened 🤣

Idk about others but every time I hit a new peak rank I screenshot that shit and save it lol. Why does it sound so wild to Neace to do that.

Throughout the video, it really hit me that the credentials for a coach shouldn't even be about quantity, but quality. If you can prove that you coached a single player from bronze to masters in 2-3 years, that's way more trustworthy than having 1000 nameless clients. If you could prove that your clients were climbing way faster than the average player, that at least shows that you're doing something. I get that sample size and sample population is going to be an issue here, but there's at least something. But yeah, according to this video, most of his "clients" were faked so he couldn't use this at all.

this is the first video that ive seen in a while that actually deserved a like, past the formality of already being a sub. super well done mate, youve gotten yourself another sub. ive known myself for a while kinda deep down that he was a fraud, cause although im not challenger myself ive gotten plenty of coaching from people who are, as im striving to be the best i can at this game and just time and time again he would say shit that either didnt align or went completely against what they would say, and some of the stuff i would even call him out myself on. its great to see that all this work was put in to prove he was a fraud. no one likes someone who will stand up and try to put themselves on a pedestal and give themselves 'valor' as its been called, that they dont deserve. u wanna call yourself challenger and brand yourself as such, make sure you can back it up.

seems like neace may have been doing the great gatsby thing

All i got from this is that Neace should pay me about tree fiddy to teach him how to photoshop

It’s so tone deaf to sell Smurf accounts on an exposé about a manipulative grifter.

I dont like the "playing in challenger games is all that matter not the rank" thing. In overwatch 1 i was a big rein and hog player and at my best i was able to hit low master but then drop after like 2 or 3 games. When people/friends ask me about my best rank i dont say "i was rank master" . I say " i was rank diamond" I like to think if i kept playing i could of get master but had a burnout bc i played the game so much for a while. Consistance is the most important thing.

Where can i find some decent coaches without paying a mortgage payment for 1.5 hours?

A ringer is someone who particpates in an event even tho they are not eligible like not being a student

Trying to flex that you're chill about some beef, or that you're somehow better than someone by pretending to have just woken up, and making a video still in bed ironically tells me that you check social media for other's opinions about you before literally getting out of bed. xD But forreal though when I first saw his channel I had two takeaways: 1, he doesn't actually coach. He just screams angrily on what to do (not why or how). 2, he was oddly rude and egotistical. One last thing: It's really silly to me that Neace and others are using the supply/demand argument to make it seem like Neace had no choice but to charge high prices. In reality he could've set up a calendar where clients could book slots and the limited slots would keep demand lower by force.

The part about him claiming to be challenger cuz he was in challenger games made me lol. D1s aren't uncommon in challenger games in dead late hours.

Ngl. Every time you say ChaseShaco All i hear is T1 screaming "SIT DOWN CHASE SHITCO" lol

i remember slapping his tryndamere mid on my smurf

I tried to fallow his advice on climbing in league and i went 18 loose streak

This video is fantastic, the way you included as much context as you good to allow the viewer to understand the full story really helps. Especially as someone who kind of kept of with this drama but didn't have the full context.

Idk if anyone told you what Neace meant when he called himself a "ringer" for his Halo 2 team (around the 3:00 mark in your video), but a ringer isn't a substitute. A ringer is someone who is basically put in to look like a typical player but is actually a gigasmurf. Think of having a recreational football club in an amateur league, but you're also friends with Ronaldo so he joins your team. He would be your ringer. Neace was basically saying he was an extremely good Halo 2 player and was put on the team to dominate the tournament.

I watched Neace hit master in korea, no way he hasn't been challenger in NA ONCE.