I like how that Zaslav guy is turning things around.

congratulations HBO you PLAYED yourself

Actually, Cavill quit because he saw where the show was going and wanted no part of it.

Miller is going to get fired. They are just pretending he has a future so it doesn't impact The Flash's box office.

@@jeffrybassett7374 he's talking about Cavill as Superman

Appealing to a phantom audience has never paid off lol

@@user-tm9ho3bm4v they pay with phantom money and give phantom good reviews.

@@Ezberron I'm really curious about the money part, there is no way that crap makes money so who's actually funding it 😂

In other words, “A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.”

The problem is, they're specifically trying to slap the fans in the face to create outrage marketing. Millions of fans going online and complaining their IP is ruined. Which generates new people to go look at the IP. This worked a decade ago. But it isn't working anymore. The public caught on to the trick. But the Hollywood idiots in their bubble are always 5-10 years behind. And they won't realize it's failing until they mess up a dozen times.

Great point I didn't make that observation consciously but the influence of that is powerful

Dr. Carl Sagan praised the show for encouraging people to have healthy skepticism towards the paranormal

"teached" ????

@@LadyAxe13 taught

Now the real monsters don't wear masks. They hide behind media puff pieces and make kids cartoon shows.

That, and that fact that race-swapping is racist. Try doing a remake of "Blade" with a white guy race-swapped into the Wesley Snipes role and people will notice the racism in a heartbeat.

It's pointless to race swap in animation in particular. At least with in person there's mores access to talent.

yes, like that terrible vikings sequel

For instance, take "Rings of Power" versus "House of the Dragon." The former focused a hefty portion of its advertising campaign specifically on talking about how diverse the show's casting was, while the latter focused primarily on advertising...you know...the show itself. Obviously there were still a handful of people shrieking about wokeness purely based on the fact that there were different races/genders in the story, but by and large most of the GoT fandom seemed perfectly fine with its casting, characters, story, etc. While far from perfect, HotD was still a solid show that didn't need to coast by on trying to shame people into praising it by labeling them as some kind of "ist" if they didn't do so, and as a result the audience wasn't being primed to dislike the characters by virtue of perceived social/political agendas before it even started. Meanwhile, despite everything but its special effects generally being very poorly done, RoP has consistently tried to push the narrative that it's only being hated on for its diversity, and that's the narrative they seemed to be prepping before the show even aired with the focus of their promotional methods. And it's the same case with "Velma" here - it feels like they were actively trying to focus attention on its diversity just so any critics and failures on the show's part could be shoved into an "ist" box if it wasn't received well.

@@VenathTehN3RD yeah exactly. Diversity is good overall but it shouldn't feel forced. And it feels forced when they shove it down your throat about how diverse it is and forget to work on the actual product, relying on the shield of"you're -ist" if you don't like this. 😬

This. Absolutely true, and the implications for the future of western culture are terrifying.

Wow. What a good way of putting it.

You're 100% correct in your Comment Mr G. It's a much cheaper & nastier world that we have to live in nowadays. 😞Me: 59YO / Male / Australia

Nailed it!

Nicely put 💯👍🏾

I guess it could've been worse. Could've been "Little House on the Prairie." Imagine what Kaling would've done with THAT.

Does Mindy Kaling have the ability to not self insert? The Office, Mindy Project, Never Have I Ever... are all just idealized/dramatized versions of herself.

The mystery to me is how someone as seemingly untalented as Mindy Kaling keeps getting work in Hollywood.

Bingo. Money down, that's EXACTLY what probably happened.

That's exactly what it was. This is a big problem right now. People can't get their bullshit green lit, so they latch onto something established like a parasite and turn it into their passion project and this NEVER works out.

I have worked in the cartoon industry since 2004/5, and followed it all my life studying it closely (sci fi too... BIG scifi fan), and am dismayed at what has happened. Shows I work on are all cynical and bitter. Been three years of solid cynical shows. Even the cute kid shows are a bit off putting with adult messages in them. Love my career, love doing what I do... and most of the people around me are great, but somehow bitter, cynical shows get to the top. Love the animation industry and have been blessed to work with great people, but I would love some solid classic style IP's with just 'let go and be silly' as the centre. Its as if the people who are the creative decision makers are bitter and cynical... We see a bit of narcissism in the shows, from the creators. I get the impression that when we are working on a show now, we are working on something that is a projection of someone's personality as much as a product for entertainment.

Yeah the first video game of The Walking Dead was essentially an animated cartoon with different characters but it was faithful to the TWD world and it was a huge success as a result.

@@maarkaus48 yeah it's been the same for me. It used to be exciting working on a new project but now it's like they're all the same with that bitterness and hatred ingrained in with overly politicised heads running it. I had the opportunity to work with amazing guys like, Robert Alvarez and, John Pomeroy and they were probably my best days in the industry. Now there's these new faces everywhere and while they play nice with you, you can tell that they are just horrible people and that filters into their projects you work on.

@@gaigestorm8155 I hear you. I am from the end of hand drawn animation crossing into digital, and I have worked with some amazing 'old guard' people like Charlie Bonafachio and some others, at Nelvana and other places. I learned so much just watching them work. Honestly, I would stand behind a former disney animator and just watch them work... the way they broke down and thought through a shot... Sometimes they would bring in things they did on Treasure Planet, and my jaw would drop on the floor. To them it was just work. To me it was art. I borrowed the work and photocopied it, and squirrelled it away. Still have it in a trunk. This particular stuff was a rejected scene of the 'Cyborg' pointing with his arm. A simple gesture, but with full cloth movement and follow-through... Beautiful, all the energy and thought was right there. Light hearted people make light hearted work. Bitter angry people do the same. and at the end of the day what would we rather watch? Bitter hate burns itself out eventually, as do those who shovel it. We putout what comes from our hearts and over time its evident. I try to be one of the good ones, as an almost silent protest. Keep on truckin, and ride it out...

@@maarkaus48 that story reminds me of a similar situation I had with, John Pomeroy who also worked on Treasure Planet, minus getting some awesome works. He was teaching us how to use our shoulder to do large cursive lines and it was mesmerising just watching him pump it out with ease. I eventually got a hang of the technique and nearly all the great stuff I learned, I got from, John. The way he does X-sheets was really good to learn as well, Tom Bancroft also taught us the same way. Even to this day he still does his animation on paper and while I got into animation when it was fully digital, I learnt the old ways through him and even myself, sometimes go to paper when I don't my graphics tab with me on a day off and the team needs something to do quick scenes.

Pitch Meeting scenarios are tight!

wow wow wow.. wow

Pitch Meeting Notaglic Memories.

@@TimoRutanen wow. just. wow.

I hate those videos

The show was nothing more than stroking Mindy Kaling's ego.

This, like all other modern reboots is about changing the culture to one that is "woke" and nothing else. That's why Hollywood keeps making this garbage despite constantly losing money.

Ah, a fellow Yuri Bezmenov fan :)

I don't think the showrunners even realize they are being used as an blunt instrument to destroy Western culture and history, to subvert all of our cultural icons and mythologies.

@@inthefade Continuously giving these people the "benefit of the doubt" will never stop them. This movement has been going on far too long, and far too consistently, to still believe it's anything but deliberate...

One of my favorite bits from that episode... Velma: My Glasses! I cant see without my glasses! Johnny" My Glasses! I cant be seen without my glasses!

@@erikrandan7294 It cracks me up all the time. Johnny Bravo was such a fun cartoon; the dumb blonde himbo always failing to get the girl - should work now for "modern audiences" er..........

@Jamal Johnson Yes and no, because he was always the butt of every joke, never got what he wanted. He acted badly but it never paid off - like Pepe le Pew! All people saw was his attempts to get "the girl" they wilfully ignored that he never won and was often attacked (brutally sometimes) for his actions.

@Jamal Johnson Manly!

@Jamal Johnson the whole character of johnny was to made fun of that attitude. There were even times where he was actually nice and the women liked him only to fall back on his misogyny and losing.

Are you kidding me? Biff was in the fccking white house for four years

How. No flying cars

@@cryptodino3roberts712 in the biff wins timeline, the society was a corrupt, wicked, evil everywhere version of the present day

You raise a good point: Never sell your properties unless you maintain total creative control. Joe and Bill would be horrified at this.

Yep, I do think that reconsidering the race of the characters is reasonable. I mean in the late '60s when the original was being created you didn't have as much freedom to choose different options other than white if you wanted a show that would appeal to the mostly white folks that had the money advertisers were after. But, to make them so horrible and make the ones that weren't race swapped even worse was a massive mistake that the studio execs should have seen coming.

Yep, none of the characters are likable and I'm not sure I get the point of race swapping the characters if they're going to be so unlikable. I also don't get the point of the gore, the original didn't have any actual deaths in the entire series, it was just people being scared away from a location for plot to happen.

@@SmallSpoonBrigade see, I think she's criticizing race swapping. I see her criticizing progressive tropes a lot here, sort of highlighting the level of hypocrisy that has accumulated in more progressive work

@@clairehann2681 - That might be a pretty good PR response if she had the self-awareness that the show is trash.

It’s straight up meanness 😮

@@clairehann2681 After Marvel executives saw the rough cut of Multiverse of Madness, they had to rewrite the script they had shoved into Raimi's hands in a panic for the inevitable reshoots, because they had wanted Portal Girl to be sassy & sarcastic but instead she came off as annoying & hateful. This is the same reason why Indy 5 is being recut to exclude as much Phoebe Waller-Bridge as possible, because she was so annoying in every one of her scenes.

@The Rotten💯 A 👏Men 👏

They realized they'd need to cover some losses XD

Same, was so annoyed seeing that pop up, I mean, they cancelled BATGIRL but approved this…awful…

Hbo went from The Wire and The Sopranos to this shit hahaha

I used to laugh at those old government propaganda adds that went like... You wouldn't download a car would you? Then why would you illegally download music?... ME: Yes I would download a car if I could and Hollywood doesn't deserve our money .yes given an opportunity, I'll steal from the rich ALL DAY EVERY DAY with no remorse and I'll sleep like a baby doing it.

FOR SURE! ^_^

Yes please make a greenlit series. Add in some research on why shows now got greenlit as I also have no clue what they are thinking and why they make decisions to lose money.

Better yet, a "Here is how I would've reacted to this show in the pitch room if I was hammered on gin & retiring the next day:"

Sounds like it could be an interesting segment. Especially if it was something you would have green lit that ended up bad. I'd love to here the producer reasons why you'd give them a shot.

Yup.

Considering their vitriolic words towards straight, white men, it was inevitable.

Didn't need to see a trailer, it's a remake in the modern era. It was guaranteed to be a pile of excrement. :)

A heated mess. A mess where heat is applied to it, so what once was a little messy is even messier.

And Sadly, you were right.

“ I ron’t roe, maybe reverone hehehe” worse Scooby impression, sorry.

I didn't so much read this post as HEAR it. Nice job.

@@peterbrazukas7771 thank you!

Rutroh

at the end of they still need to put food on their plates....

@@Segaton Yeah, but they can't really put it on their resume...imagine a movie or next sereies..."from the animation team who brought you Velva"...Skip!

Guaranteed you're talking Korean sweat shop. I doubt any animator on this had time to think about what they were drawing.

I honestly can't stop watching BECAUSE of how bad the script is. It's like watching someone deconstruct themselves in real time. Like watching a train wreck unfold in slow motion. I'm looking forward to next week's release. I've not laughed so hard in a long time. It's the sheer stupidity of it all ... and that they think they've actually created something good here, that they think they're decent writers, that their plot is "next level". It's kinda sad, really.

@@Diree it's a guilty pleasure.

He's a male dog, of course he would be excluded. Sexist pig.

Not exactly. They made Big Mouth cosplaying as a Scooby Doo show.

I think you meant "Ruh Roh!"

That's like planning to make an Indiana Jones show, but without Indiana Jones... Disney Cough cough

At this point I realize there's no point in trying to figure out how it is that the blue hairs think because they never make any sense whatsoever

A big clue that they were fundamentally indifferent to the source material is this: why not make Shaggy into an Arab 😊Druze? Someone who both loved the material and was committed to diversity would have done that as an homage to Casey Kasem! I doubt they even know he was a Lebanese Arab.

Very insightful comment!

These inept, bumbling, self-important "new writers" are on a mission! They have come down from their Lofty Ivory Towers as cultural messiahs, intent on saving us poor plebeians from ourselves.

You have to read "Asterios Polyp" if you havent. Theres a character that's just as youre describing your teacher. To a T. You'll enjoy tfo it. I promise you (:

Just hate filled angry people with zero talent

I'm sure they've already started, and were probably saying this stuff before the show even debuted. But Velma had already been race-swapped to be Chinese in a previous iteration. I think there was a Hispanic Velma, too, at one point. But those versions were still made for kids and weren't full of sex and violence, so there wasn't as much backlash.

And lo and behold...

Don't know. Something tells me they're the racists, but I just can't seem to put my finger on it.

Default strategy

Someone has declared it transphobic already…

By the time I was born, Scrappy-Doo had already taken over and the adults had pretty much been pushed out.

We already have a show like that, it's called Robot Chicken. But it mostly plays as a parody of those shows.

It really feels like a Tarantino/Rodriguez "mock trailer"

Except on *Robot Chicken,* when a joke stops being funny, they move onto the next one. This just goes on and on and on, and never actually starts being funny.

It’s like somebody thought of an idea that would’ve been funny if it were a *MADtv* sketch when the movie came out, and they said “let’s make that a series.“

Basically if it was the 90s she'd have a skateboard and say 'cowabunga' a lot.

Until they're down off their high horse, or when the money runs dry.

Until people start throwing actual rotten tomatoes at them like in cartoons.

until people can publicly speak negatively about woke products and call it out for what it is. As it stands now, I suspect most people in Hollywood are afraid of being cancelled so they don't dare speak against anything the wokerati come up with. Because yeah, they need a paycheck.

@@Plisken65 🤣🤣🤣

They don't care about the money. It's all about "The Message".

Try "Pitch Meeting" here on KZfaq. I'm sure you gonna laugh a lot.

Great show from Tom Ruegger who later made Animaniacs for WB.

Agreed! Aren't these shows just Tax write-offs?🤑

@@Plisken65 dont start with that nonsense

They all live inside the same insular little bubble with the same snarky views that look down on anything normal and beloved by the masses. They can't conceive that this garbage will be seen as anything but cool and progressive because it takes a dump on the past. You can anticipate claims that anyone that doesn't like this is obviously a white supremacist, misogynist, anti-LGBQ troll incel. Because these goons have actually convinced themselves that this nonsense excuse is true. And they will cling to it until reality finally crashes in and washes them away.

no

If thare are some things are so far in production you can't pull. Its a case of them biting the bullet and juat getting what money they can from it

I'm guessing money laundering. Why else would you produce something so foul that it won't be making any real money?

I saw an art image from that and it looked awesome

🤔 My money is on Putin and I think he would have gotten away with it to if it wasn't for that pesky Bear. 😏👍

for all those afflicted with un-interrogated nostalgia, please log into prime video and watch the pilot episode of knight rider. that will cure you!

You can find good stuff just look

@@cryptodino3roberts712 I did a d ended up watching reruns of ALF😊

#metoo, is a reallly cool idea to see under his experience what shows will eh considered good or not

Agreed. Try to find the original pilot of various shows and attempt to look at then as if they were proposed and you didn't know how they worked out in the end. Maybe add in "would I have renewed this after season one?"

You are mad wrong about scooby doo mystery inc. That was how to do actual depth to scooby doo. Or watch the movie scooby doo on zombie island

Yes! Exactly. Everyone praised Mystery Inc, so I watched it and I disliked it for the same reasons you mention. It felt like forced drama just so you can have drama. I honestly didn't see what all the hype was about. I like the IDEA of Mystery Inc., having a longer mystery/story that connects multiple episodes. But otherwise I honestly wasn't impressed.

@@commandershepard9920 It’s ok, I’m not a big fan of Mystery Inc myself. But I can give it some positives, like it’s mature storytelling and character development. It’s just not my cup of tea. But unlike Mystery Inc, “Velma” has no positive qualities. All the characters are unlikeable and were changed to random people. It’s very immature and really has no reason to exist. Also, Fred just sucks. His character is just “rich boy who can’t do anything”.

@@tarabotelho6692 Oh yeah, it's all relative. I would watch MI over Velma any day of the week. Everyone I know hates Velma, whereas MI different people have different opinions.

@@cryptodino3roberts712 And when did I say it was bad? Regardless of if you want to accept it or not, Mystery Inc was when they started push Scooby-Doo down stereotypical teen drama path, which Hollywood love. I don't mind more characterization but I do mind characterising characters down the road a billion other teen dramas have gone done.

For me, it isn't a hope that the product will be a left over, it's destined to be forgotten. The plot is horrendous, the jokes are crass & unfunny, and the characterizations of the mystery gang are nonexistent. In the future, I'm sure there will be more properties akin to this that will be greenlit because of the current political climate of the age (as stuff like that sells I'm afraid) and the fact that most "writers" are willing to take the easy way out instead of putting the work in to make their stories great. As you said, its ABUNDTANTLY CLEAR, and has been since the first trailer dropped, that the showrunners hated the fans along with the IP, which begs the question of why they wanted to write it in the first place, but that's an answer we'll never get I guess. (P.S.: Let's all Love Lain :)

Not really all the original stuff still exisits

Gen Xers and millennials are the most nostalgic generations. Why you may ask? Many of them grew up in the '80s and '90s when TV shows and movies were actually good. Before all this silly rubbish that the guy in the video is talking about invaded the media.

@@cryptodino3roberts712 Exactly, the original Hannah barbera cartoons are still there. They have adult humour, without gore or raunchy mean spirited cynical dialogue.

"Edgy" in what way? Colored hair? They all seem depressingly tame imho. The Subject Matter is _never_ edgy, only a few zingers to get it covered more in other media.

that why anime taking over

I think it depends on what type of cartoons talking about, adult or kids? Sticking with just American adult cartoons but I would say the most successful franchise all have the same over top pushing boundaries comedies in their own way. From The Simpsons, Family Guy, South Park, American Dad, Archer, Rick and Morty, Futurama and Bob's Burger as some of the longest running shows still running. I would agree main cast is not that diverse but they all expanded the diversity of their cast over the years. And Irreverent has been a big part of making fun of anything and everything with nothing being out of bounds. I don't think they were trying to be edgy but they were trying to be different. I would say these shows been most successful today prove your point not being very true. I think the real issue is lack of originality and not copying what is already been done is getting harder as writers run out of ideas. They have gotten lazy like Velma that they just target demographics rather than focus on actual writing.

@@nobodynoone2500 Now with more sexual deviants and race swaps, like the other 400+ productions of last year? Such daring edgyness huh?

Maybe degenerate is a better term

You mean Johnny Quest is no Scooby-Doo right? It was decades ahead of it anyways…..

@@noobie1890 the original Johnny Quest pinnacle of HB cartoons. I am very old though

@@djlewis5149 holy shit, I had absolutely no clue it was originally released in ‘64….. I feel like I’ve should’ve seen this on ME-TV by now

True, mostly execs and directors make the casting choices but I just finished a screenplay and the casting and accents are mandatory for the tone and jokes. We shall see.

I'd just like to point out that to me it does matter what skin colour or sexuality a character has when you adapt a specific source material. I mean I accept little twists if they're reasonable but in general such changes are repulsive to me. If someone would make a remake of Matrix and make Morpheus Chinese, I'd find him.

The original was pretty simply, simple characters with no apparent backstory beyond what would become a Pup Named Scooby Doo. Plots were pretty much the same every episode with just enough details swapped to have something that was technically not the same as the other ones. And it was a fair amount of fun, which is really all that it was intended to be. I doubt anybody involved at any stage of the development thought they were creating high concept art with it. But, it was fun and it has had a very long run from the late '60s to doday because it is fun to watch.

@@Michal235 TBH, I think that only really matters when something about their ethnicity or socio-economic status is relevant to the plot or essential characteristics of the character.. The characters were all white in part due to when the show was created and the fact that it didn't much matter. The characters were flat and their other attributes apart from their personality type didn't really play much of a role in what happened. This isn't like taking James Bond who was written as a very specific class with a very specific nationality and making him a black woman for no particular reason. Much of what defines Bond as Bond comes from his socioeconomic status of origin to the point where even making him a Scot was a bit of an issue at first until Ian Fleming saw the portrayal and signed on to the idea.

@@SmallSpoonBrigade watch scooby doo mystery inc. It also is a better attempt at adding depth to scooby doo

Too many man/woman/nb-children around without any ounce of taste or good judgement lurking around. They know theyll eat up any IP you present them because thats how they define their personalities. Its sad and pathetic, and in a sense a very predatory behaviour from TV execs.

@@Ramekink kids are a bit smarter than you think . teens even more so

Old white Americans have a victim mentality, they're "uncomfortable and angry" about bad TV shows lol... Mainstream media is garbage, what's new...

R.I.P. Venture Brothers. They just took way, way too long in between seasons.

@@jmchez my favorite adult toon show

it really helps when the producers love the source material

@@bobbyologun1517 Failing that understand what made the source material appealing to the audience.

I actually enjoyed Mystery Inc as a new take on the old formula. Good cast, consistant writing and a "bigger picture" that tied everything together. It wasnt the travesty many made it out to be, and still felt like Scooby.

@@erikrandan7294 how does knowing the characters are canonically 15 shape your view of, say the baby carrot running gag

Yay, I loved it too! It came out when my kids were kids so I saw it and I couldn't believe how funny it was.