They treated nerdy IPs like designer clothing labels. Thought people would spend money on brand recognition. There was no further thought about it.

If four random nerds had one hour to come up with a new movie script, they would come up with a whole franchise.

I remember watching a talk show that had Jonathan Frakes as the guest. I don't remember the host. The subject of TREKIES came up, and the host leaned into Frakes and with a conspiratorial look said something along the lines of, "Aren't' they a bit...loony?" Frakes leaned slightly backwards and said something along the lines, "Are you sure about that?" He then made a comparison about baseball fans and Star Trek fans being close to each other, "Though one gets excited about chasing a ball around the diamond, and the other gets excited about exploring the universe." The host backed off. I think Frakes exposed his inner geekness that day, AND who said baseball fans can't enjoy Star Trek? Frakes is cool.

I think they despise geeks and nerds because the culture is unifying. Geeks and nerds don't care about what color you are or who you sleep with. Talking about the same things you all enjoy and love brings people together. They want us divided, sorted in neat little categories. The geek/nerd multiverse tears down those walls and lets everyone enjoy these things together. "For the geek shall inherit the earth..." - some wise person, probably

Nerds used to be outcasts. We grew our franchises by being faithful. Now wokeness has crowbarred into our shared universes and shows nothing but hate to the customers.

How is it childish to call out cultural vandals for their vandalism?

This is why i respect the 40k fandom. They are profoundly and passionate in gatekeeping their fandom.

We are people who were unilaterally rejected by our peers when we were younger, so we created things. Those creations were rejected as well at first, because we are not like them. We got involved in hobbies to focus our energies into something positive. When the outside world saw materialistic increase in value in what was created, they decided they wanted to enter our space, we opened our arms and minds to them because, we are not like them. Then they took what we loved and burned it to the ground. It's a harsh lesson. Be judgemental in who you let into your life.

Here's the problem. Many of these usurpers would argue, "We don't hate geeks and nerds. We ARE geeks and nerds." But really, there is a host of "Pop Culture" fans who don't like nerdy stuff. They like the idea of it, and the pop culture part of it. They like the memes, the nostalgia, the trivia, the references... but they couldn't care less about the nerdy stuff that appealed to guys like us in the first place.

They hate people who put more effort into watching the movies and shows than they put into writing them.

It biils down to "The posers were put in charge." You watch, as we lose interest, they will move on to whatever is the next popular thing. I remember when these types of people made fun of us, right up until the things we loved started to make more money.

When Nicholas Myer was hired to direct Star Trek II, he immediately sat down and watched all of the episodes (At a time when home media was not yet a thing) in order to understand the heart and soul of the property. To understand what it was the fans loved about it. And in doing so he found the threads and touchstones needed not just to make the perfect Star Trek movie, but a true incredibly well structured cinematic masterpiece. Where every line, every shot, every single thing that appears on screen is both referencing what the fans loved, and was in direct layered service to the story itself. As he wove allegories of Moby Dick and Paradise Lost into a story of an elder crew. Coming to terms with their age, their life, their mortality. That they had more to look back on than to look forward to. Does anyone think anybody on Ms Paradise's staff watched a single episode of Star Trek, outside of the movies? Does anyone think Kathleen Kennedy has willingly watched any movie or show her studio has watched for fun?

It's the myth of "modern audience." They believe people who love the franchise will never fall out of love, but they are wrong. People get tired of companies stomping in the things they love and stop watching. I guess they will learn that harsh lesson sometime in the future... Maybe 2030

In comics, in the 70s through the 90s, it used to be common to hear artists discussing and homaging their favorite creators. John Byrne built on Jack Kirby and showed him respect as the towering figure he was. In 2001, Marvel put out a comic called “World’s Greatest Comic”, about the Fantastic Four, with everybody doing Kirby homages. The Image guys in the 90s would talk a ton about being inspired by Kirby or Byrne or Perez or whoever. There was a sense that “Those giants have built great things, and we want to stand on their shoulders to continue to build.” Now, it’s all about tearing down and “fixing”, and nobody shows respect to earlier creators at all.

I'm tried of pretending that anyone can join a fandom. It requires a special kind of crazy to be able to memorize fictional spaceship serial numbers and production codes, the special abilities of all 108 pirates in One Piece, the publication order of a series of books including side-stories and comics... Disney basically tried to make this "for the greatest possible audience", but a good chunk of these people CAN'T join a fandom because they don't have the autistic attention to details.

Lucas was in his heart a car guy. That led to one of the big reasons Star Wars was so popular. The ships.

I find it so weird that these companies and activists are trying to tell Geeks and Nerds how to play our games and enjoy our hobbies in exchange for "social morality and acceptance", we stupidly let them in because we wanted MORE people to enjoy our hobbies with, but we were always outcasts before, most of us have no qualms on being outcasts again.

When i was a kid in highschool, nerds and geeks and dorks were all squares at the bottom of the social totem pole, ranking just above the special needs kids and exchange students that couldn't speak English. Before 'Revenge of the Nerds' gave them an image change in the mainstream imagination. But it wasn't until relatively recently with the advent of audiobooks that the final barrier to fandom entry was removed. Geeks were uncool because they Read outside corporate mainstream. Now that the corporate mainstream has rights to the IP's it thinks it can pump out any old dross with the correct label affixed and we the consumer will not ask questions, and simply buy product. And they hate us now because we won't buy inauthentic exploitative consumer dross any more. They worked so hard to commodify and standardise 'Art' as 'Product' and now resent us for Not relinquishing our aesthetic standards for their commercial desires. It is the same way they killed Rock Music as the predominant cultural musical style

Thank you, Chato, thank you! I'm a woman, and a proud Nerd, who married a Geek, and we have two sons, one Geek and on Nerd...though I am challenged by tech, I wear my Browncoat with pride!

So true. Henry Cavill, a fan of both the witcher books and games, was the best man for the job as witcher. Sadly he was the only one with a passion for the project and I'm still angry at how they squandered the chance to make something special.

This was a glimpse into a side of fandom rarely talked about. Nice catch, Chato!

Studio Ghibli is superior to Disney. Change my mind.

Welp, I just spent an entire weekend at a Comic Con , so I would say that my geeky interests are quite important to me. And you are quite right. You get a bunch of us into a room and the conversation will run the gambit of movies, tv, books, video games , etc and what a glorious melting pot that it is.

I always find that people who are interested in things are more interesting people. A lot of people seem to be not interested in something for its own sake, but rather for how it can help push forward some cause or other. You can always tell when someone is really passionate about something. They can make their interest almost infectious.

They thought popular geek entertainment was easy to create, because after all it was just geek entertainment. They tried to burn it all down and rebuild it in their image, creating a new fanbase from whole cloth. They only succeeded in burning it down. Fortunately Sony, Universal, Illuminations still exist.

They hate Geeks and Nerds because that's an identity that traverses and surpases less important aspects as race, gender, religion, language, social status, etc. Much like with Gamers, those identities need to be either subverted or destroyed so the long march through culture can proceed.

I almost cried when you mentioned Harryhausen. He's one of the most imaginative and influential movie makers of all time. Steven Spielberg, George Lucas, James Cameron, Tim Burton and Peter Jackson LOVE his work. However, it seems like no one talks about him anymore. No one cares about his accomplishments. I interviewed him back in 2012, shortly before he died. It was a truly special moment for me.

The irony is that we geeks are always willing to include anyone--regardless of race, sex, orientation, gender identity, etc.--who is a fellow geek. We were the original woke, and there was a lot of potential within geek culture that corporations shunted aside in favor of pop woke.

I was 22 when the original Star Wars came out in 1977. I saw it multiple times. As someone marinated in Heinlein and Asimov and Clarke among many others it was a sensation. I doubt the people at Lucasfilm today have ever heard of those names. Or if they have they’re just dismissed with a sneer.

It was pretty clear early on that the Disney brand of Star Wars was not made for Star Wars fans. Disney then scratches their head and wonders why their attempts to create iconic marketing fall flat on the mainstream "fans". Heck, I knew there was a problem the moment they shut down The Clone Wars animation before it was finished. That was one of the few things keeping the fanbase going. I've little doubt KK had a hand in that. Then when we criticize practically anything Disney shits out we're called racist or sexist. So instead we simply have to watch as they exploit and destroy our cherished stories we grew up with while they financially implode. I wonder how some historians will describe this era of woke "entertainment". It's like a black hole where very few decent movies and shows were created. The rest were sacrificed on this twisted woke alter.

I miss Ed Catmull. His book on creativity shows his geeky journey through computers and technology to the head of Pixar and eventually Disney studios. His name doesn't get thrown around often, but he was a geeky heart at the head of Pixar.

Very well put Chato, I think you hit the nail on the head! As a semi relevant example, I found college to be a phenomenally better experience than high-school because, in a course for animation, there wasn’t a single classmate who wasn’t at least a little nerdy. Our interests all crossed over somewhere or another. We all appreciated the art and creativity that went into our respective hobbies. There’s no such camaraderie to be found with these new age show runners. They don’t even respect us in our differences.

ha, well said. The soul of geekdom is the ability to analyse the LOTR films from the perspective of the books and lovingly pick out the bits where they do in fact outdo the original book while still deploring the fact that they dropped Tom Bombdadil and murdered Saruman all wrong

It's true! Once I learn someone's nerdy interest, I instantly have a certain level of respect. Game recognize game, and Disney is looking a little unfamiliar

Here’s the thing about being a nerd or a geek…it means you are passionate, you like things intensely, and you don’t apologize for that. These people who ruined our stories and characters, they don’t understand genuinely liking things. It’s all about irony to the point of nihilism with the new bosses. It’s cool not to care. They don’t have real interests, real commitments, so it’s beyond them when we do. They think everyone is just using their “interests” to make a brand of their lifestyle as they do and are shocked to find it’s actually real for some of us. In their media they tell on themselves.

Rubs me wrong every time new Spock gets geek shamed and when so many characters haven’t got a clue who they are and focus too much on what everything happening around them means about themselves. Kirk and team knew who they were and what their principles and purpose were. We’re not looking for caricatures of worst selves, we’re looking for the ideals of who we aspire to be in these characters.

The other thing they don't seem to get is that nerds like to analyze things they like. Yeah, that means you'll get complaints but it isn't because we don't like it, it's usually because we just want it to be better.

I've always enjoyed these videos but, on hearing that list of "common interests" starting at around 3:50, I never realized how much I wished I knew and was friends with Mr. Chato. I wish you lived next door dude and we could spend the odd minute here and there talking about Star Trek as it was in the 60's, Space 1999 as it was in the 70's and everything else that our culture, Nerd Culture, created. But I'd also like to say that in an increasingly dark and bleak world, your rant gives me a level of optimism in that there is a common and immense breadth of shared experiences between us all and tat a group of people who are considered almost universally introverts and loaners actually have millions who are just like us all! May you live a thousand years!

Disney's motive for acquiring Marvel, Lucasfilm & Pixar was to increase their marketshare beyond preteen girls. Once acquired, they decided to warp those things into something non-geeky. Can anyone really say anything Disney created before those purchases appealed to geeks? (Tron, maybe?) The women writing & producing the gek stuff would have had contempt for those of us who loved/lived the stuff. They were never immersed in the culture. A she-geek was a common as a unicorn.

Basically, it’s all about passion; something the modern writers lack. The nerds and the geeks (I am definitely in the spectrum) all have different things that feed into the stories they hold dear that today’s writers completely miss out on. They are so consumed by the need to do the politically correct thing at all times it’s to the point that they have become soulless. And we all see it even if they do not.

It's about ideological warfare. They don't care about losing money and the ones who are pushing this, take warfare, any warfare, quite seriously.

Well said. Every other pop culture franchise has been ruined by clueless activists with no appreciation or understanding of the culture itself. It's like hiring a dentist to perform open-heart surgery.

I love being a Geeks, Nerds, and Dorks. I became a nerd due to growing up in the 70s and watching TV shows like Starsky and Hutch, Magnum P.I., and movies like Commando, Cobra, and the Star Wars movie. The goal of these TV show and movies were there entertaining and the goal of the writers and directors was to entertain those who watch these shows and not pushing the "MESSAGE!!!)

Nailed it. Spot on. Guys like Henry Cavill exude geekness because he's clearly one of us, and understands on an instinctive level what it is that we appreciate about these sort of franchises. If the money guys running these studios were smart, they'd be sure to hire people like him of Favreau. Then again, Filoni is/was one of us, and he's as woke as a gender studies major, at the point, so who knows....

It's more that geeky interests. I feel like Disney is molesting my childhood memories.

You should be getting WAY more views, Chato. Your content is always first-class.

This is what makes Henry Cavill a gem. An actor and a fan.

From what I remember: Bryan Singer told Hugh Jackman not to read comics about Wolverine in the (2000) X-men. You can tell that fact in some scenes that were made early on in the filming. The on set crew would smuggle him copies of Wolverine comics to read as filming progressed. After the movie made money and a sequel was planned, he bought them himself and really got into the character for (2003) X-men 2 in which he played a far superior version of Wolverine both visually (great effects team!) and character acting-wise. Jackman continues to play Wolverine today as it's an iconic role for him. As far as Robert Downey, Jr. and Iron Man, he was already a fan of the comic book character and knew the flaws, technical behavior, and charisma he should put onscreen to sell him the way he should as an actor. And we know that Iron Man is what really kicked off Disney being able to produce all the Marvel movies.

I think there's a correlation between people who care and easter eggs. There's more easter eggs in Picard 3's museum than in the whole of 1&2. And it was a geek who made S3.

One writer I wish got more attention is Dwayne McDuffy, who was a black writer who co-created Milestone, which created a lot of non-white characters who would later be bought by DC, such as Static, Icon, Rocket (not the Racoon lol) and Hardware. And the reason Dwayne made these characters was not only because there weren't as many non-White characters, but additionally they were simply good characters, who appealed to a variety of different people, not just other black people. So of course DC in their "Return of Milestone" from a few years ago, needed as much modern politics as possible, and shit all over the point Dwayne was making, its not enough for your character to be a certain race, gender, sexuality or so on, they also have to be a character. Dwayne also wrote for the DCAU and was the show runner for the UAF era of Ben 10 one of my favourite shows ever. He unfortunately passed away in the early 2010s, but I'm not sure on how well he would've appreciated how DC mishandled his characters just to score brownie points. The point I'm making is writers like Dwayne, understood something that Kathleen Kennedy, Rian Johnson and Mindy Kaling just to name a few will never grasp, it is not the fact you're character is in the minority that determines their worth, its how well they are written that makes us like them. Static, Harley Quinn, John Constantine and Jaime Blue Beetle are are just a few examples of either non-white, male or straight characters who are loved for who they are, not just because they exist. I hope I made my point clear, because I just wish these corporations would realise there's too many hairs in their food for us to want to eat it

That's an amazing insight. We may not all be into the same stuff, but we immediately recognize and understand someone else's passion for a show we might not watch. Disney could never understand that. I love the idea of a geek multiverse. Brilliant.

I think everything comes down to a massive miscalculation on their part of ways they thought would expand their market and make them more money. Thinking they'll always have the diehard fans, if they target it more for the mass audience casual fanbase they can be more profitable. Same thing has happened with rule changes over the past 5 to 10 years in basketball and football. All they ended up doing was making movies and sports almost unwatchable for those same die hard fans they took for granted.

My geeky interests are so important to me so much that i was made fun of in high school and I didn't care. I'm still a fan of those things. Transformers, comics, video games, rpgs, anime were all a part of me. I get bitter and angry when i see things I've loved most of my life get destroyed, especially by the current woketard movement.

I think you may have a good point there, amidst discounting all the women in the fandom who have the same interests and geek over the same things. Not only do we exist, but we actually exist in sizeable numbers. I have bonded with other women over reruns of the 1960s Monkees show or the many loves of Commander Shepard. I also feel the need to point out that though the team behind Star Trek II through IV weren't Trekkies, they pulled every episode of the show to watch before writing. You don't have to be a fan to give something its due. Though the fact that they were part of wider geekdom may explain why they understood wider geekdom. I think a piece that often gets misses is that a lot of female, non-white, GLBT geeks stand with straight white males on the fact that the stuff we're being served sucks. We're just stuck in the middle because then we get attacked by the corporations for being whiny geeks while we're attacked from the other side because the diversity is supposedly for us. Let me tell you, asking for a female, non white, or GLBT character is not the same as saying "make the stories suck." And it's getting really tiring being attacked on both sides. So, look, the stories don't suck because there's representation. Some of the Mass Effect Geeks have been suggesting that they do a prequel series for TV rather than the trilogy itself. The proposed series would follow Anderson (a black man), Hackett (a Latino man if you ever read archive info) and a woman (race unknown) lead diplomat during the first contact wars and after. There's been no issues with this diversity because this is how the story was already established. I'm sure the corporations could find a way to ruin it. But look how many bases you have covered in the original material that you could focus on! No one is taking issue with this concept. It's already established lore. You could take it and run. The other thought I had as you mentioned Wrath of Khan and how geeks relate to culture is that Wrath of Khan is influenced by Shakespeare and many other classics. Indiana Jones and Star Wars were influenced by classic movies. Geeks have interconnected cultural hobbies, but those hobbies aren't all ephemeral. Some of them stretch back decades and centuries and reflect a very long understanding of storytelling. And that leads me to ask why modern writers of TV drivel don't share that long background of interconnected stories. Because they are writers, and I suffer under the delusion that people choose that career because they like and appreciate stories, and have read a lot of them. I mean, not that I've looked, but I can't recall Kathleen Kennedy, for example, ever mentioning the stories that she likes, not ever a surface mention for the paparazzi, much less an in depth "I am influenced by Agatha Christie or Sweet Valley High." Nothing. Not even non-geeky things.

Hit the nail on the head. It all boils down to passion for the source material and wanting to produce a film product that shouts "Isnt this cool!

Personally, I couldn't care LESS what Disney likes or hates. They have absolutely ZERO impact on my life. But I can guarantee Disney cares what I think of them. They have never seen one thin dime from me, and when more folks follow in my footsteps, I promise, Disney will care then.

I was the first person in Western Australia to play (and probably the only) the Colecovision system as my father was the repair agent. We set up a wheel and screen in a formula 3000 car at an electronics show, that was very cool, I miss those days!

Unfortunately there is a small contingent of nerds that still are drinking the kool-aid. My brother is one... he's in his 40s and still goes to the comic shop for his subscriptions, loves his toys, analyzes everything and STILL sees everything put out. He's flagging on Disney+ a little, but still a true believer. I love Harrison Ford. When i told my bro i wouldn't see the new Indy film because i didn't want to see him further denigrated... he said it's because i listen to right-wing incel reviews. 😮 I told him that people like Chato and Drinker are the kinds of nerds I identify with. Lol... never mind that i have my own opinions, or that i introduced him to comic collecting, or that I'm a free thinking 50 year old woman of color... which doesn't matter, but apparently some people think it does and that they should represent my interests 😂

The Expanse is one of the few bright spots in geek/pop culture during the latter half of the teens. Well written, with zero activism inserted. It told incredible plot stories, both major and character specific, and had us on the edge of our seats right up to the end of the final episode. BTW, if you haven't read the books, do so after watching the series. Anyway, The expanse had diversity WITHOUT making it seemed forced or contrived in any way. There was a gay couple (one who was a major diplomat in the story) but they simply handled it as part of their life, not trying to force the story and character to revolve around that one facet. THAT is how you have diversity and equality in a production. Simply let it flow as a natural part of the character(s), not make it the only point they exist for in the show/movie. In other words, don't insert/force it upon audiences. This is the primary reason Star Trek Discovery is so cringe-y , while The Expanse is so fantastic. BTW, if you loved The Expanse, check out Babylon 5 from the nineties for another sci-fi series that gave us fantastic stories and great characters.

When you listed the numerous geek touchstones and shibboleths I found myself... knowing each and every one. Even more obscure ones like Fireball XL5. Now I am equally parts smugly proud and forlornly ashamed.

Hey, Star Trek 2 was based on Moby Dick and to some degree on Horatio Hornblower, which are absolutely a part of the Academic Overaschiever geekdom. I wouldn't be surprised if the director was actually a Navy man himself (or had some in his family), and we'd call Navy lore and culture a geekdom as well if they wouldn't beat the c**p out of us for doing so. It's pretty clear that _no one_ in the STD writers' room knew anything about any of that.

Funny how, once the movies came out, these "fans" all show up and try to tell the fandom "how things really are"; conveniently forgetting that the original fans are why the movie even exists in the first place.

What a great synopsis of woke! An anti resilience movement. Brilliant.

We built the whole city for them, with paperboy routes and grocery clerk jobs, and much toil and being on time to the theatres, showing love endlessly; and they soiled the paradise.

At the imaginary nerd meeting I'd have to have a conversation of your list missing Forbidden Planet, and the original The day the Earth Stood Still and and and ....ad infinitum :) It's what we do , and nothing tickles us more than introducing our fav's to others.

Geeks are made. Nerds are born.

I remember Felicia Day did a nice piece on what being a geek means. She said something about it not being just a demographic to be marketed to. There is more to the culture than buy buy buy.

Imagine if A geeky guy was given the job to direct A 'Lizzie McGuire', or A 'Hanna Montana' project. That's how mismatched things are in Hollywood with who they pick to helm our beloved geek properties. As if they think jocks, and cheer leaders are more qualified than geeks, and nerds.

Never heard of the firesign theater troupe! Thank you for mentioning them, sounds very interesting!

I got a part in a play once because I was adding in the sound effects that logically went there, during the read through. And as to the actors just being a vessel I am reminded of Dustin Hoffman arguing that a tomato would not do that- and being unhired.

Well said. It's a neat thing when a nerd discovers another nerd. There's a kind of electricity, "geeking out" i guess. It was great discovering in the myriad of banal entertainment that some nerds out there had created nuggets of that electricity in our culture. Except for a few rare sparks it's all gone now, like tears in rain.

I've been observing this for years, they hate nerds and revel in the destruction of any nerd interests. Several of their commentators have said so themselves. I think the main reason for this hate is that nerd/geek culture has effortlessly created fun and inclusive communities while the sjws cultivated nothing but hate and division. They hate the fact that gamers, comic fans, and other nerds can come together and get absorbed in their own multiverses and enjoy their time. The squares can't seem to find the joy in life, and why should they, when everything is sexist, racist, abelist, transphobic, and whatever else-phobic they'll come up with.

The problem with Nerd Culture is that sooner or later you end up with a Bill Gates or a Mark Zuckerberg.

There are some geekdom actors out there. Or at least willing to understand the nuance of the character. Henry Cavill comes to mind.

As a friend of mine was fond of saying, "Gotta get in where you fit in." Disney is trying to forcibly merge completely different things with predictable results.

Man you nailed it, I recently (i mean about a year ago) went to my first concert again in y e a r s and it was for the band that did the soundtrack for Scott Pilgrims video game playing that OST and some other songs, and it was just a nerd gathering. Undertale shirts, borderline full cosplay, people talking about comics in the line outside the show, it was wild. I was wearing my kirby hat and a guy in front of the line had a kirby button down hawaiian shirt and he was like "yooo kirby!" And pointed at me when we saw each other. It was just a blissful gathering of people still on the niche all just "stuck in a room"

I have always believed that the success of "The Big Bang Theory" has had a negative impact on Nerd/Geek culture. The show seemed to lack genuine respect for the fandoms it portrayed, instead opting for a superficial portrayal that focused on mocking the characters as "freaks" for comedic effect. Ever since this show, executives and producers have eagerly sought out franchises with established fan bases, without truly comprehending the reasons behind their existence. Geekdom, by its very nature, caters to a niche audience, and these corporations attempt to transform it into something that appeals to a broader, mainstream audience that never would have watched the show in the first place. It's a recipe for failure, and we are seeing that today with core fans walking away from these franchises. More and more you hear "I've given up on (insert franchise here)" from longtime fans, and it's heartbreaking. The Irony of the whole situation is if they left those franchises alone, let them be what made them special, they would have made more Money.

geeks and nerds really care about the IPs they are into and will call out dubious plot moves , dodgy cannon and so on ... Normies not so much .

White wine spritzer monstrosity! LMMFAO! That line alone just made me a subscriber, good show!

KK was good at getting coffee,not good coffee, just getting coffee. that's 'er entire skillset. Gary Lucas

I think you’re spot on with your analysis, but there’s at least one exception. Chris Chibnall apparently was a huge Dr. Who fan growing up, but he’s been just as disastrous to that IP as any of the others.

Fireball XL5 was the show that started my sci-fi journey when I was a wee laddie. Now, other than books, I've almost given up on the genre outside of a few shows like "the expanse". I'm cautiously pessimistic about Star Trek and my guess is that SNW season 2 is going to be barely watchable.

Perfect take. A must link and share for friends and family to understand...we're not complainers, we're business consultants.

I think you hit the nail on the head! We aren’t looking for one thing, but many. We want the elements we love about a franchise to be part of it. Continuity, consistence of ideas, and what makes those ideas fit together in a cohesive whole define a setting for us. Blasters in Star Wars need to not just shoot a laser bolt, but it needs to sound cool and make puffs of smoke as it vaporizes what it hits. We want to hear the roar of an engine as a car races in a chase scene. We like that the ship in Alien has 80s screens everywhere. It makes the world feel alive, and gives us cool things to enjoy!

Chato, I am as much of a nerd as they get. But maturity showed me something that you miss here. Normal people don't dive into every detail of lore, the same way we don't memorize sports stats. And that is ok. And I don't need to know what a sports player had for breakfast to enjoy a great game the same way they don't need to understand Repulsor technology to enjoy Iron Man. I'll get a date to Marvel because it's not made for Nerds anymore. She'll enjoy it without 10 years of comics in her brain. We have our nerd cons to discuss the vitiability of a Heisenberg Compensator, and that would bore a non nerd the same way we'd space out at a needle point summit. EDIT: I welcome the non nerds, if you're not a purist, have a sense of humor, and don't behave like brat because of high school, you'll make friends and get dates. Hollywood just handed you a thing in common with them.

LOL. Disney FAFO!!

I think I heard the Chin himself say it best. At a convention, Bruce Campbell said "a movie buff may see a million movies but a fan will watch one movie a million times". Exaggerated sure but it is how the original Star Wars became a classic. I was 7 years old when Star Wars debuted (and back then it was just called Star Wars, the Nee Hope was added later). I begged and whined and spent my allowance to see that movie 8 to 19 times in 1977! I can't think of any moder movie I've paid to see more than once in several decades (that includes bothering to watch them on streaming services). Says something about modern movies. Just my thoughts!

"Why print money when we can send a message? WE know better than our customers!"

That's actually a pretty good observation, we do tend to spread our interests across many media - and proper geeks (or nerds if you will) are quite versatile, especially since we turned "cool". Even better when we manage to straddle our nerdiness with a functioning real life, meaning we may quote Ray Bradbury/Star Trek/Monty Python etc. yet also be able to do the shopping and tying our shoelaces, often at the same time.

This video was my discovery of you! I’m an early 90’s baby and because of my ‘late 60’s baby’ nerd father, I understood and related to every reference, actually every word you said. I have been noticing this too. Matter of fact, I’ve caught on to all of this for a while now and if I’m being honest, I have been hopelessly optimistic thinking “ok so maybe this movie/show didn’t turn out so great. It’s just the learning curve. The next thing will be better. They will eventually get it right!” To be honest, I think I need to come to terms and accept the fact that these companies are doing the exact thing that George always spoke about and why he created Lucasfilm and ILM in the first place. You were spot on! Great video! I’ll subscribe and will be buying some merch when I have some extra change in my pocket!

Nerds have knowledge and passion. Soulless corporate suits have neither.

daaamn... wooooord... also epic guest on FNT, you were hope to see you again at the TARGET

I never watched Star Trek, read any books of the books, or even talked to anyone about it, but I did participate in a college sit-in demanding a dining commons option for those of us who can't eat anything. Perfect, you're hired to direct the next Star Trek movie.

THANK YOU! You summarized all the issues I've seen over the past 10 years and see no hope of ending.

When this whole ordeal began, I already said that cinema tickets are paid by (mostly male) nerds and geeks. Because the popular guys are spreading the gates of heaven in the backseats of their cars. If your customers do not feel represented - identification is a large part of a cinema experience - you lose your main customers. And that's exactly what happened. And they're a bit vocal. And socially awkward. The best thing you can do as a studio to add insult to injury is insult them. That will teach 'em. And help the box office. In your dreams, that is. It's nothing less than plain stupid. Doing business 101.

love the sidebar accurate science that pops up, which I can't think of at the moment but those moments either in continuity or in conversation when you know the writer knows what you know, y'know? Whether it's for a joke or for background it's those moments that work and are important with the main plots

It's times like this when I appreciate *Sam Raimi* and *Peter Jackson* getting hold of _Spider-Man_ and _The Lord of the Rings_ respectively, that it was *a colossal victory for fans in the early 2000s.* Comic books being adapted by filmmakers who knew their stuff inside out was unheard of back in the day. Just look at the most of the other Marvel movies from that era. Or heck, not even *Tim Burton* was a Batman fan and that really shows (for better or for worse) if you go back and watch both his films. So it was nice that the right people were in the driver's seat, and by Smilin' Stan Lee's Sunglasses and Tolkien's Tweeds, it was glorious seeing it turn out so well. When you see the passion that drove those movies is utterly absent today, it sort of feels like watching Uncle Ben die or seeing Gandalf get pulled down by the Balrog: Something reliable and trustworthy is now gone, but from there the only thing to do is move forwards. Sad, but necessary, I think.

Wow, you nailed that one on the head (and yes, you probably did hear me laughing out loud). I really appreciate your candor - and humor. Sincerely, a lifetime citizen of Geekdom.

Excellent point. My idea of a good conversation would include going down several rabbit holes: old Star Trek, the Beatles and whether Paul is Dead, The Big Lebowski and Dudeism, Caddyshack one-liners, old SCTV parodies, favorite MAD Magazine artists, the 1977 theatrical release of Star Wars, and the classic Hawaiian episodes of The Brady Bunch. Just for starters.

Lemmings don't actually jump over cliffs into the sea. They were thrown in by Disney filmmakers.