How did this guy talk for 10 minutes about autonomy and managed to say Mary Barra, GM, and Waymo….. but not say Tesla 😂

Literally never mentioned Tesla. I saw John’s face thinking about bringing Tesla up a few times but knew better not to get into it and just let it go. It’s fascinating. Let’s see, who has the best selling car in the world that happens to be electric, the lowest cost and most profitable electric, with the most advanced ADAS system based on video AI (that’s not geo fenced), unboxed vehicle build process, best connected OTA software based car, etc, etc. And literally never mentioned Tesla that proved out all his 30!year old concepts. But GM was mentioned several times and they literally haven’t successfully commercialized any of it. It’s actually delusional.

GM Super cruise is rudimentary. Tesla Version 12 is what will work. Stop shilling for GM

Great video. Larry was ahead of his time. I recall seeing the skateboard at the NAICS. Amazed you covered these topics without mentioning the Elonphant in the room. Surely that was by design.

It’s amazing that he is describing what Tesla is doing now, as if it’s something that’s going to be done in the future and no one is mentioning that.

Quite possibly the smartest, best mannered, and easiest to follow in long logical explanations with so many good source reference and such great depth of knowledge.

One of the best after-hour show ever. Thank you.

John, this is one of the most realistic speakers I've ever heard.

Amazing that Tesla wasn't brought up once. They're the gorilla in the room.

I have been watching your videos from the Uk for almost the entire history of the show. I think that this was the BEST and most thought provoking episode and I loved Larry’s first thinking principles….. what a refreshing approach with nothing sacrosanct and lots of thinking about for the future. Great show John and Gary!

Excellent show! I’d love to spend an evening asking this guy questions and just listening to the answers. Try to get him back on more often!

That electrolysis hydrogen generator at Amazon will require three times as much energy from the grid than homeowners plugging their EV’s in and charging them overnight.

This guy is really fix on GM, he haven’t even mentioned Tesla…I know he’s an old GM engineer…WOW Larry

OK, I think I've figured it out. GM lives in an alternative universe where Tesla doesn't exist. And, automotive reporters can only visit GM's universe if they agree not to mention the word Tesla.

What an amazing visionary this guy is. Thanks so much for bringing him to us.

This was my favorite After-Hours show to date. I was memorized for the entire show. Bring him back!

Hilarious how you're dancing around Tesla FSD

This one had me listening for the full hour, great guests this time! This will hold me over until next Thursday.

GM's got so little to show their ads don't even show their current cars. They show a 20-40yr old pickup and try to play on the nostalgia of their brand. It is sad.

How hard he worked to not recognize that Tesla is already most of what he's hoping for and scheming of.

Pardon my ignorance; prices from 2000 need to be multiplied by 1.7 to account for inflation since then! 70%!!!!

Great show. Such an engaging conversation, the passion just gets me.

56:07 so why did GM stop producing the Volt?

Excellent interview, very impressive - Larry is brilliant, optimistic, and makes things understandable even for us smaller brained folks. Gave me some new ideas/issues to think about and how we go about solving them. Was pretty much in agreement until his hydrogen spiel.. I need more credible info to be convinced - my take is the difficult nature of hydrogen in all phases (production,storage,distribution,operation) will ultimately doom it for any kind of widely used terrestrial transportation or stored energy solutions. Happy to be shown otherwise though.

Fantastic show, watched every minute, but these guys seem to be living under a rock. Try driving around Vancouver and count how many one wheels and electric skate boards are in rush hour traffic. It’s growing everyday!

I enjoyed Larry's Autonomy book back in 2018. Might be worth cracking it open to see how it plays in today's world.

Holy crap! I’ve spent the last five years contemplating a solar powered snail, RV autonomous see the world during your entire lifetime not have any country borders. When he said, why does our house have to be fixed. Oh my gosh I’ve been saying this forever. But nobody shares that because everybody’s so stuck in their ways about the American dream and all that sort of stuff nobody wants to actually travel all their lives, or have the ability to do that. But that is an amazing thing to hear him say.

It is so refreshing to see senior auto executivespeaking so clearly about the futurethe Highlander.😊

This is why GM are so far behind

Your best guest ever. He gets it. I wish I was living in the world he envisions.

Great show with a man that always has a vision looking into the future! Curious what he thinks about the Aptera.

His teleprompter has only 3 large words - DON'T MENTION TESLA..

Great show. First time I watched the whole thing without hitting the pause button. Waited for mentions of drones, Tesla, and Aptera.

Larry is smart and looks to the future but a future I don't want to live in for the most part. More government regulation and taxing or controlling top speed and mass. No vehicle ownership and autonomy instead of driving. It sounds more dystopian than utopian.

The Detroit 3 didn’t advertise because it only makes people buy Teslas. Ride sharing is another reason we will never see peak auto numbers again. Autonomous driving will also reduce it.

I loved the show, Larry is really a forward thinking Individual. The hydrogen battery & Graphene is brilliant. We will not see it in my lifetime though there may come a day. I want a BEV like yesterday and put a reservation in for one that is very light, though not in production as yet. I realize one section of Larry's discussion was centered on the tipping point principles. He did state transportation is only 15% of the overall climate change issue and others need to step forward. We just need to stay focused on the tipping point for climate change or there is no going back.

Missing from the discussion: ADD drones to delivery. In China, SF uses drones for small package delivery in low density rural areas. On the input side, package in a size/weight range comparable with short haul delivery drones are pre-identified/sorted, then, after shipment to local centers the drone packages are delivered while large/heavy go by truck or e-scooter. bonus is that, since the drones are parked for a significant period each day, they return to base & dock, while solar PV panels generate the power to recharge the base-station (which charges the drones).

John Lithgow has officially lost his mind.

Inflation is responsible for something approaching 20% of the increased cost of new cars. Comparing numbers from 20 or 25 years ago is irrelevant unless the effects of inflation are added to them to get to today's relative dollar value.

The electric grid needs improvement for sure. It hasn’t kept up with the needs of technology. At the same time home solar is really picking up as well as home batteries. These take a significant load off of the grid and actually stabilize it. To me the this is a lot like bottled water. We are constantly told to buy water that we can get from our taps for almost free.

It would be interesting to hear a discussion between Larry and Elon and Sandy Munro. I'm sure they would have lots to talk about. Good show.

Did the book Atuonomy givve credit to Tony Seba and his in-depth RethinkX analysis on autonomy???

Good stuff!

I will turn 60 this year and I have driven small, efficient cars most of my adult life. My understanding is that the single largest factor in safety is mass. After witnessing a horrific multi-car pileup on I-95 south of DC I snapped and bought a Ford Expedition. Now I can tow, transport grandkids, etc. The vehicle is ridiculous compared to my grandfather's Ford Country Squire, but large wagons were regulated out of existence. Kinetic energy is already taxed in as much as fuel costs money. If you want to tax mass, then the implication is that only those that pay can have the safest vehicles. I don't see that as a politically tenable position. And the further you push in that direction, the greater the need to separate freight vehicles from passenger vehicles (not going to happen). Autonomy is definitely part of the answer.

The reason so much interest is spent on metro areas because that is where many of the people in the suburbs work and dealing with traffic snarls. While working on line could help with traffic but now we are learning the down sides of not having employees at the work place. The biggest problem with income is the loss of jobs from automation. I helped automate 100 good office jobs out of existence and down graded 60 more to lower pay and benefits but a college degree was still required for a $16 an hour. The lack of Employment with good pay and benefits is going to have a major impact on what people can spend on transportation. I agree with the need for a change on taxing vehicles based on weight and speed. Both of those add wear and tear to roads.

Really interesting discussion and well chosen guest.

We're at peak auto because of the coming FSD

I am 100% sure we will get to level 5, will it be another 10 years after level 4? That I don't know. Should u take a car in a snowstorm, generally not, but emergencies etc will occur and without question AI will drive through it better than a human in the future. Great discussion, thanks guys🎉🎉🎉

Interesting discussion, I wonder if part of the problem with the rise of SUVs is that the market focused more and more narrowly on the people who were buying vehicles and created a feedback loop. As the population of people who could afford a vehicle fell, the automakers focused more and more on that smaller segment. As cars got bigger, more practical but less pragmatic, and more expensive, more people get pushed out of the market. Before, they would be shunted to used cars, but increasingly, it does seem Larry is correct that people can skip car ownership entirely and be just fine.

Excellent disscusion keep it up.

Genius! Big picture guy much needed voice today. Thanks

He lost me at H\hydrogen for consumer vehicles. Really? Not...

Another great video! I wonder how much money that GM could have saved if they started to mount the seats to the skateboard and then put a body on top of it? If they can produce a car with 15 less labor hours per car, what will the price drop be?

One of the best and most informative hours of my life. And that's saying something beep beep.😊

This guy is smarter than I am Tesla Muskegon, Michigan, June 15th weekend. The Highlander would be honored to meet this gentleman.😊

Partying! 🎉🥳 Now that's the classic after hours I am here for!!!

burns makes the case for hydrogen about as well as it can be made. Still not well enough IMO.

CATL made a skateboard called the CILC that they will sell to automakers, starting this year with Neta.

58:00 So Larry is proposing that we create hydrogen using electricity and have it delivered by Amazon to have decentralized power? There's electricity in every garage and streetlight, it does not get any more decentralized than that. Oh, and it costs 10 times less per mile. Hydrogen has no place in cars.

the next administration would do well asking Larry to serve as Transportation Secretary,thanks Larry

Who is he? I'm Amazed❤😊

Larry says we need light weight, energy efficient, low cost vehicles, simpler designs, and he likes the idea of in wheel motors. Basically he's describing an Aptera.

He might be wealthy, but this is the man of the people. He speaks in a way that my niece and nephew, can understand.😊

Brilliant!

At 11:00 no mention of Aptera hub motors?

This guy's awesome. He's not afraid to say he has some wealth. There's no shame in that. I'm sure he works hard for it the Highlander😊

Where is the energy going to come from to make hydrogen much bigger electrical grids than going to almost all electric cars maybe 3X for hydrogen?

You guys should talk about aptera

Personally what Urban North America needs now are city/kei cars... Aka tiny, lightweight urban runabouts with 50-55 mph top speeds or perhaps a wee higher with proper engineering upgrades.. I'm 5' 10" and drive a Smart Fortwo... For most trips you don't need anything more than that and it's a fun car to drive around the city in. I just wish Mercedes invested more into it and believe more in the program overall. Alas... I'd also personally try out a Microlino, Renault Twinzy, Citroen Ami, Fiat 500, Mini Cooper or heck even a Wuling Mini if the price was right and it was safe enough.. Personally I am of the mind that driving a "slightly unsafe" car gives you reason not to take the car for granted or Paul Walker (RIP) your way around town with too much power and too little foresight.. As for rural America? Something similar but more durable... I.e. the Vinfast VF3 which to me is an electric Lada Niva in all the best ways... Growing in rural Alberta I always wanted a Niva and they were for a time quite popular. Just a basic rugged runabout with utilitarian features and classic good looks...

You don’t want/need hybrid vehicles. Go straight to battery along with more charging stations. If charging stations were half as plentiful as gas/petrol stations then range anxiety would be nonexistent. Hybrid means carrying more mass and complexity which in turn means higher costs.

Holy s***, he's smarter than I am.

If I had 4 of those Corner Modules I'd mount them to a recently felled redwood, hollowed-out into a 15-passenger Luxury Canoe. I'd name it The African Queen.

I can tell you a sub 25K utility style vehicle with some smart tech features but mostly just access to it being for domestic life, work and recreation but most of all it has got to still be small yet not so small it is useless for multi-modal types of activities etc.

it’s always the old guys who have lived their lives trying to stop the younger adults from living theirs because now they want thing to slow down

Can Autoline dig up more fossils to listen to? Bob Lutz would be fun.

Wow, this guy is smart.

Yes “the narrative on Electric cars has definitely changed” … because the competition against Tesla, wasn’t and still isn’t coming. That’s because EVs need the unique Ecosystem that only Tesla, like Apple, has. Any OEM that doesn’t license FSD and 48V from Tesla because “its not invented here” is in for a rude awakening. Within a few years it will be too late because it would take about four years to implement. Vs 10 years if they try for themselves.

Rural America would benefit the most from EV. We're in a Cleveland suburb. Went electric five years ago, would never go back. Wake-up to as many miles as you choose. Precondition car in closed garage. No oil brake transmission exhaust issues. Quiet comfortable easy.

So, plug in Hybrid cause…Tesla hasn't built enough Super Chargers? Waiting until everything is perfect to make a move doesn’t sound like a winning strategy. Also, Why doesn’t anyone address the fact that all the products OEM’s have made suck? If it doesn’t Suck people will by it.

The questions is not the cost of improving the electrical grid, its the cost of hydrogen and using new tech to get it into a cartridge. Don't forget we are probably past the point of meeting the needed CO2 levels, so if we go this route we are probably jsut going to have to deal with high temperatures. I do agree if we could get all non CO2 producing products to market we could make it, but we are well past the point and should have started when he has his initial ideas back in 2002.

Autonomy won't differentiate between urban, suburban and country. It'll completely solve metropolitan areas and do quite well for countrry as it scales.

How about Aptera wheel motors :-)

Early skateboard contests were so simple, now this. So right about trasport vs vehicle mass. EV is fine for a 1st or only car. L5 autonomy to beat humans will happen. EVERY building is wired, less pushback, more plugs, more solar.

About small cars - why haven’t Smart type cars become more popular? Small cars small profits! About small moving houses - here in Australia where I live a lot of people live on the road towing a caravan & taking jobs where they find them.🇦🇺📷😎🤗

Ian, please bring him to the Tesla event in Michigan. I want to meet this guy. Is the nuclear submarine a technician? I also lost my earring.😊

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He works for the competition making radars

People didn’t walk away from 60 mph crashes 60-70 years ago, now a Tesla can go over a 300’ cliff and everyone survives.

I always thought the GM Hywire/Sequel concept platform was one of the best ideas GM never put into production along with the Lean Machine and the Ultralite... Now? All three would probably be electrified and built by any number of automakers... Or least one would hope! Plus let's face it, almost everyone but ESPECIALLY Tesla has implement most of these concepts... Drive by wire, skateboard chassis with multiple bodies on the same platform, etc. 100% genius!

No matter how convenient you make hydrogen it's still the old "sell you some kind of fuel" trick. Consumers know about consumables after printer ink, frig water filters, etc. The cost is ALWAYS more than expected and in some cases just finding it when you need it is difficult. Electricity is used for all other things and made in great quantity and available almost everywhere humans go. Hell, you can even make electricity in many different ways. I don't see a day when consumers can make and contain their own hydrogen.

They are trying to invent warm water. That autonomous electric vehicle is called the train. What suburbs need are trains with services that connect their houses to the stations. If you do that you’re 90% of the way to solve transportation

What’s the word on GM’s Gen 6 V-8?

I'm a former Budd wheel engineer.❤😊

Waymo is still relying on human intervention to handle difficult left turns.... there's a risk that they're behind the technology curve... Tesla's FSD version 12 seems to be doing a good job handling these challenging events autonomously. Interesting that the word "Tesla" was never mentioned in this presentation....

Women view Big cars is safe. It's that simple. The Highlander😊

C mon guys… we were using pan chassis on our slot cars in the 1960s skate board is a late comer

If you need a personal reference call. Pete Gruber in A 35:46 rizona and tell beep beep.

Hydrogen is dead for personal transport. Why would I want Amazon to delivery me a fuel source (not an energy source) when I already have solar and an electric grid (actual energy source) attached to my home/apartment/workplace?

I am bringing bagpipes.😊

Not a lot different than a magazine article from Popular Science of the 1960s. Ok, so people designing for suburbs and rural, the people who drive the most versus city. And yet, designs as LB says are mostly viewed as autonomous in local city environments. It will be decades before many suburban and rurals even consider such a change. No good old boys from PA to TX to Wyoming are going to get into ride share personal pods. The discussion here is how very well off suburbanites can make their lives easier. If a soccer mom can send her kids to soccer in a robotic car, she likely would. In manhattan many can take the subway but how many take taxi instead? A lot. In SF or LA they have to walk hills or far and need taxi and autonomy. But that is 25% in US cities which is 4% of the world population. These talks need to focus on what will happen in all the largest populations. Tokyo, Mumbai, etc. and Africa, the fastest growing emerging cities will be there. LB talks as if the automotive future is US suburbanites. It is not. We should be looking at how to make eBikes and smaller cars safer and more readily available. Americans have been conditioned they need CUV and larger to “be safe”. Fleets of smaller cars in EU are doing fine where they are not marketed with such large vehicles. And NO TALK here at all about car sharing through car pooling. Because the mindset is personal ownership and I Got Mine. Carpooling halves or even quarters the cost per mile. But we don’t want that, do we.