As a Dortmund fan, Klopp got us to the Champions League Final. Forget about the Premier League side of things. He is still a legend in my eyes.

Klopp is a legend for the football his sides play, for his character, for the fact he won every single trophy there is to win. A PL title and a UCL title and has had three 90+ points seasons against the best side the league has ever had in Man City (who also happened to break the bank & rules in order to get there) Klopp is a legend, cos he will be remembered forever by everyone

Klopp got 3 years before he succeeded because Liverpool were finishing 7th and 8th for multiple years. There was demonstrable progress. He got them to the Europa League final the first season, then back into the Champions League in his first full season, and then to the Champions League final in his 2nd full season. Then they won it the following year. Won the prem the season after that. There was no realistic expectation he would win anything in those first three seasons.

Jordan looks like an 60s KGB spy

Safe to say BOTH legends. But I think Klop has the edge on Pep. He develops players more (eg Robertson) and has the charisma to make players WANT to play for him. Pep buys players who are purring along already and keeps them going.

Brilliant video! Klopp is definitely a premier league legend and one of the best managers ever 🔥🔥🔥

Stevie's slip didn't cost us the title imo. We lost points to too many other teams before that.

It's not just trophies won. For me what makes him a 'legend', besides his football genius at all levels of the club, is his humanity, the love players, fans, the community and the city have for him. Klopp takes good players and makes them great. Total legend!

I think any legend has to have success and longevity which is why Joe Fagan is sometimes overlooked in that category

With Klopp, you could see the team on an upward trajectory from day one.

If he wins it this years he’s def a legend. Also, he’ll always be remembered alongside this era of City. You can’t tell the story of two of their titles without him and Liverpool. Probably the two greatest title races in prem history, which is in and of itselt legendary

Take Liverpool past managers for example. Everybody in Liverpool would put Shankly over Paisley. Paisley won all those European trophies etc. But the reason is Shankly got Liverpool back and created that winning mentality that was carried on by the next managers. Similarly Klopp from a hopeless position Liverpool were in when he arrived has created a culture similar to what Shankly did. He imo is up there with the greatest ever

What they are missing about Klopp is that he made Liverpool competitive and challenging for titles again. In a just and honest world City would have been relegated for their FFP rule breaking and alleged cheating. Klopp would have won more if it was not for that.

I think we need to take into account the fact liverpool have been up against a man city team that had anything they wanted regarding funds for players to always strengthen and were finishing on 97 points & 94 points behind city and with that they came within a whisker of the quadruple and was in three European Cup finals and that's over a period of 9 years

What Kloppo achieved is way ! above of winning trophies! He will never walk alone

If klopp isn't a legend than no one is! He won everything with Liverpool in 7 years.. faster than pep and Ferguson! He played 3 champions League finals, 1 European league final, he finished twice behind city for a 1 point, he reached 3 times🎉 90+ points and look with the budget he done it!!!! ..common

I'm just happy we got to see two world class managers go head to head , lets just appreciate these two managers and whst they have done for the modern game. Pep might struggle next season when klopp gone because klopp was pushing pep to be better and vice versa.

Klopp is the modern day Shankly. It's not just his ability as a coach that make him a legend it's his personality, passion and connection with the fans. He's second only to fergie in the prem era of legends and that's only because man utd at that time where the biggest financial force and didn't have the competition klopps livepool had. He's won cl, prem league, fa , league and world club cups. He's also been to 3 other European finals and 2 seasons over 90 points without winning the title is unheard of. He's absolutely a legend.

The points total speaks for itself 👍

If he thinks klopp is better than pep but he doesn't think he is a legend how can that be

Jordan glosses over losing 3 finals. That's why he will never get us. The journey we've been on is what we love klopp for.

These conversations better simon and souness are outstanding 👏

3 CL finals in 4 years. Twice he took the premier league to the final day with 90+ points. Won Liverpool first EVER Premier League (the earliest it’s ever been won btw) 1 FA cup and 1 League cup. Need I say no more

U nailed when you say Liverpool is klopp.... klopp developed and raised his team to play..win or lose like him....cause when klopp wins he celebrates with passion when he loses he does so with grace....

Klopp on his first day said be patient, wait 4 years.

Klopp is Premier League legend without question. He won everything, absolutely everything. If we take away European competitions and focus only on England or even Premier League. Klopp until this season has 3 season with 90+ point (only Pep has that), Klopp has 2nd longest unbeaten streak in PL 44 games to Wenger`s 49 games, but during his streak Klopp won more points than Wenger`s streak, that is legendary. Klopp has streak of 38 games with only draws and only wins, nobody has done it, it is legendary, Klopp would have at least 2 more titles if it was for the 115 charges of City. Klopp comes and take terrible club in the middle of the season and lead ti to 2 finals, first full season gets, second full season gets CL final, 3rd full season wins CL and wins 97 points in PL, 4th season wins PL with record margin, all that is done with money like a middle of the table team. Klopp saved the PL, if it wasn`t for him it would look like French league or Bundesleague.

The reason I think Jürgen Klopp gets legendary status is for what he has done for Liverpool FC. He has resurrected the club back to iconic status. The fans love him and he is a strong profile in English football. Anyone that did for a club what Klopp has done for Liverpool deserves legendary status.... He has won all domestic trophies and the CL and is a front runner in this year´s EL race. And the club World Cup... If he wins the EL, he'll have won every competition there is to win with Liverpool. If that doesn't give you legendary status, I don´t know what does...

The pair of you always has good content and truth, i think you guys are becoming good friends,good true friends always speak their MIND! keep it up guys. loved the decent is an UNDERSTATEMENT HAHAHAH.

Brilliant show guys :)

I watched and loved liverpool football since I was a boy and Barnes was tearing up the left flank. I boycotted the team the last4 months of Brendan Roger's Era because the football had no passion. That is what Klopp brought was passion and good football from day 1 till now. Lost a few, had a few bad patches, but we always played passionate good football that you can watch and feel. That all comes from the Coach.

Even klopp said Pep is the best manager in the world

I think you're a legend if you define an era. Trophies, whilst they mean a fair bit, don't mean everything. Creating an atmosphere season on season, performances that are titled historic classics, and an environment that inspires the future. Thats what makes a legend IMO.

I am a Wolves fan. The team I like to watch other than my team is Liverpool

Im a man utd fan. I have to say yes to legendary status "club level" The man has won 11 major trophies with dortmund and liverpool. Hes been runner up off countless off cup finals also!!! just fallen short over other legendary managers. And hes done something that even the great pep has not done and secured promotion with a championship bundesliga team. So you can say hes conquered and completed club level manager. Think he should try and conquer the international stage now. Same goes to pep. And others "jose" etc.

As a city fan, i believe Klopp is a legend, he would have won everything if City had not been so dominant.

Klopp is a club legend. My definition of World class is top 2 at your position.

Klopp's achievements aren't just about trophies. Qualifying for CL was initial remit which he's done from season 1. Apart from the actual league they won, the points tally from two other seasons would have won the league over many other winning points tallies.

Liverpool defended their title poorly because of FSG. Klopp is a true legend of Liverpool. Considering City who went on a spending spree and currently on 115, klopp would have one four Premier League titles in my opinion.

Interesting conversation! ... if you look at it purely theough the lense of the Manager... and you compare CV's both as players and as managers... then Alonso is clearly more qualified to lead LFC than Arteta was to take the reins at Arsenal! 🤔 Having said that leading LFC is a different beast to leading Arsenal! PS: the only true way to measure managers is points per 1£ + trophies per 1£ - then you can really see who is performing! - it levels the playing field...

According to Souness' stupid reasoning, Di Matteo is probably a legend in his eyes as well then.

If any manager can stay at a club for near 10 years! He's already earned the right to be called a legend! If same manager Wins a Champions league, gets into 2 other Finals! Win the World Club Champions, and all the other Cups makes him a World Legend...

Simon looks like the milky bar kid

Brilliant podcast 👏

They're both ignoring the elephant in the room. If 115 cheats weren't cheating, Klopp would have had more than 1 epl trophy.

Wenger is a legend and revolutionised the game in england. Was a pioneer for the influx of foreign managers. May not have won the UCL but did invincibles, I dont think thats gonna be done ever again

Simion says we defended our title poorly but isn’t taking into the fact that we were top of the league and cruising that league until the injuries. We had 2 youth players playing centre back and they got injured and we had to play Henderson there. Poor outlook yet again. Aswell as the fact he’s saying Klopp survived 3 years before he done anything. Wrong. Came in the first season showed a better brand of football. Got us to the EL final with a shocking team. Second season progressed us into the CL and brought mane etc in. 3rd season got us to the CL final and made us one of the best teams in the world with the deadliest attacked. Then we kicked in and won the CL and prem in the next two seasons while missing out on the league by one point the season we won the CL.

As a Liverpool fan and Klopp fan we don’t need this type of talks. Pep after the CL we gotta respect his name and how he changed the English football same goes to Klopp how he has changed that mindset and the English football heavy metal football how Arsenal are playing now

ALONSO!! He worked as trainer at Bayern Munich and now Leverkusen….he can…ohhh he can…would that be great and in 8 years maybe Steve G can take over😂😂

For me, a legend doesn't need a full trophy cabinet, but the courage, sincerity, and pride to go their own way against all odds and make a lasting impact on people. Muggsy Bogues never won an NBA title, Bill Murray never won an Oscar, and Eddie the Eagle never even won a flower pot, etc. But, for me, they are also legends because they tread different paths than anyone else. Because they are prepared to fail magnificently. Because they take the difficult path, not the easy one. Because they touch, move, and inspire, rallying people behind them. Because they don't put themselves first, they put the cause first. For these reasons, for me, Klopp would be a legend, even without great successes.

Simon failed to consider that for 2 or 3 times Klopp missed the title by a whisker while on a tight budget. The KEY is the budget, let alone the refereeing decisions.

Love a bit of simon’sus. There you go there lads, there the lad of your podcast sorted 😂

Not a Liverpool or Arsenal fan but Klopp and Wenger are both legends to me. Agree with Simon that Liverppool would be interested in Ange but Spurs would never let him go.

If there name is spoken of for years to come, that's a legend - Klopp is a legend

For the first 3 years. Liverpool weren't capable of challenging for the league. Klopp over-achieved with that group getting to Euoropa and CL finals... It was only for the last 4-5 years that Klopp had the team/squad to compete with City. Given that Pep has spent £1.5bn to Klopp's £500m... He has won 1 PL, been beaten on the last day of the season twice and been to 3 European Cup finals winning one. That's one hell of a record given the circumstances he was dealing with. It's been one hell of a ride! Thank you Jurgen!

Why is Thomas Frank's name never mentioned when talking about possible successors to JK? He is charismatic, has an aggressive style of playing, is liked by his staff and the fans, and has had a good run on a smaller budget than many other PL teams. Do these attributes not sound a little Klopp-esque If you've not noticed Tomas Frank before, then watch the Brentford v LFC game this coming Saturday 17th at 12:30pm English time.

Kloppo told us Liverpool would win the Prem in fir years. Then we won everything it wasnthe time frame as well with what we had. Just incredible.

Coutinho was the best Liverpool player for 2 years...sourness says he struggled in England 😂😂😂😂God

The budget Kloop has worked with versus the other teams he’s competed against makes him legendary. He makes players world class, he doesn’t buy them (apart from VD and Alison - granted)

Klopp better than Pep is the craziest opinion I've heard

Why don't you ask the question if man city have charges and they are guilty of any of the 115 chargers then its safe to say Liverpool, man united, arsenal have been cheated out of titles so klopp hasn't under achieved at all

I find it laughable that Pep is even compared to Klopp. Pep’s not even close to being anywhere near as good as Klopp considering the differences between the two clubs! One did it with 115 charges the other did it with none. The end.

"Legend" or not is down to the choice of language, it is emotive and therefore can't be defined. What both of these pundits gloss over is the consistency of league performance even when not winning the league. No other manager in the time span of the Premier League brand has managed more 90+ point seasons. Klopp is tied with Pep on 3. Chelsea have done it three times but spread out over two managers. And Klopp during the same time period has made 3 Champions League finals and won one, the line between his LFC side and Pep's City side was so fine at times you would need a microscope to see it. Trophy lists don't recognise this excellence.

He already a legend. If what he does in Liverpool was in any other team, all of them will say he is a Legend.. thats how u know he a legend.. tell me which team doesn't want his CV in Liverpool except Man City..

Good chat gentleman !

Souness was a great all round player but he scored 1 in 6. He also say would be a doddle today but the the aggression he played with he would have been sent off about 10 times a season 😂. Absolute legend though!

It's the style of play. The finals reached. The lift to the club etc. There are many reasons why Klopp is a legend. If the fans think he is then he is.

I don't really care what other people think, Klopp is not only a great manager, but also an even better person. Great mind. As a coach, Pep is the best of the lot no doubt about that. But as a manager? Klopp is a legend 💯 %

"if they win it then they will have to finish infront of them" of course, that's how winning a league works :)

People forget that Klopp had a balanced transfer budget for the first 3-4 years. Quite literally he spend ZERO on his squad. Add two Bundesliga Titles and two DFB-Pokal trophies and he has 3 league titles and 3 national cups in the Europe’s Top4 leagues, 3 Champions League Finals and 6x runners-up in the league with clubs that had less than half the budget of the winners. Looking at Pep on the other hand is like playing Football Manager with an infinite money cheat code…

The fact that Simon thinks Klopp isn’t a legend in the premier league tells me everything I need to know… ridiculous

Jurgen Klopp has won 1 European final out of 5. He won 1 premier league title. He is a silver medalist with personality, and the reason the English media love him is the reason we always fail on the world stage Pep is in a different class to him. If pep ever finished fifth in a league season…lord 😂

If a guy that; reincarnates a legendary club like Liverpool from the wilderness, wins every trophy in football including the UCL and Prem for the first time in 30yrs with that club, makes another 2 UCL finals, goes within minutes of winning the quadruple, puts together 3 of the greatest Prem seasons ever in a 3 year spell against the unmatchable spending power of the Abu Dhabi FC era and leaves the Cub in an even greater position after establishing a whole second squad and revolutionizes the style in which all English teams play now...If that guy isn't a legend - then there are none.

I think legends are people that are remembered for a long time for good or bad

Have this conversation again in June

Well, he’s clearly not 😂😂😂

A group to be in..meanwhile Arsenal sitting in their own invincibles group 😅 for that achievement alone Wenger is a legend

I’m not a Liverpool fan Why doesn’t Simon Jordan mention the achievements in the Bundesliga a competition dominated by one club and klopp broke up that dynamic in the same way Alex Ferguson broke up The old Firm in the late 70s and early 80s

its been two minutes and havent seen a 32 red advert... should i be worried?

Souness the legend! Of course he is right, Klopp all the way.

Roberto de matteo is a legend according to souness’ logic 😂😂😂

Hope all goes well for you Sam 👍🏻

Great question. Difference between the old EUROPEAN CUP and today's CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. And was it harder or easier.. And tbh, I'm not sure what will happen when THE BOSS goes. Hopefully we do not start drifting down the league.

One should not forget that Klopp also beat Bayern with Dortmund, he has shown in two different leagues that he can beat better funded, better equipped teams, with much higher financial power and better individual players by playing as a team and by improving unknown players. He created Lewandowski. Neither Wenger nor Ferguson has done it in two of Europes big leagues. Only Guardiola, Ancelotti and Mourinho are in this category.

We will never know how good Kloop was unless he goes to a bigger club i world like to see how he would do at Barcelona where the expectations are higher.

as a liverpool fan im bound to be bias but.. PL legend i think so, him and pep.. why? what they have given us .. same with wenger alex murino .. these are mental managers that i think gave us some of the best moments in the EPL so for me yea i think all of who i mentioned are legends of the game.. and more important they won stuff!

manchester city, the only team to win a european trophy with 11 english players, even the sub was english, 1970 cup winners cup

As a LFC fan Im obviously biased. But theres not many players that would get into Citys squad that Liverpool have had during Klopps reign which shows the sheer quality that all the early and constant ££s that was afforded to Pep and City. It created a high baseline of sheer quality for Pep to work on. Klopp never had that and its why he's not won as much as Pep because he's always had to compete from much further back and has had to work or work his lesser squad that bit harder to make up for the shortfall and I think this is why it is felt some some quarters that Klopp gets more of the credit. Im convinced that Klopp wouldve won the CL sooner than Pep if he was at City but with using less financial resources and I also believe that he wouldve won just as many PL titles too because the bloke has proven that he can do it with a tighter purse. He doesnt need it. Pep plays the kind of football that exists in dreams, I cant deny that but im not so sure he'd have given Liverpool the same successes that Klopp has created when up against the financial might that is City. Who knows? Looking at the basics. Pep has always had the best teams with the best group of players available to him. So what makes the best manager? I guess it depends on whether youre a red or a blue!?

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If financial fair plays out and won all the finals Klopp had during his time at Liverpool(3 EPL and 3 UCL, 1 Europa), his legendary status won't be questioned. Still a legend in my eyes nevertheless.

Perfect statement “if Klopp is legend what are Ancelotti, Pep and Fergie” ?

Find it odd that you can debate Klopp record and not mention his insane win percentage, insane point tallies that would have won leagues by double figures without a City around and the incredible run of CL final runs?! Like seriously, how can none of these mad achievements allied with his style of okay and charisma not be mentioned?

Nah Alonso should be Liverpool's first port of call. Took Real Sociedad B into La Liga and now doing wonders at in Germany. Seems the natural choice to me. Besides Klopp came from Germany least those two forget.

No questions about it, in the modern Premier League era, all of Sir Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, Jose Mourinho, Pep Guardiola and Jürgen Klopp are definitely LEGENDS!

I don’t know how you can say (without bias) that someone is not a legend when they’ve won the league, the champions league, the FA cup and the league cup (amongst other things).

Simon, as an owner, who has been better than Klopp in terms of value add? Anywhere in Europe? How many have been to three UCL finals, runner up in three EPL's? Legend

99 and 97 points in the Premier league. Legend any day.

Simon understand the circumstances Klopp arrived at Liverpool. Fans determine to a large degree who the legends are. You may win nothing but leave an amazing legacy of your time at a club.

8 British players played for Liverpool in Carabao Cup final. The most British team of the top 6? 😊

For me the most important thing to sort out is Trent's contract, not Mo's. When Salah's contract expires he'll be 33. Salah is an absolute legend don't get me wrong but Trent is the future. Same with Virgil he'll be 33 nearly 34. I'm more concerned about Alisson as keepers can go on for longer. But first we need to nail down Trent at the end of the season.