It’s hard to listen to Adam and not lose brain cells

Adam strays from the point of a conversation further than I go on holiday 😂

I really don’t understand why PBD thinks Adam brings anything of value to his table.

Liz represents the rare combination of getting it right and being able to communicate it effectively.

Adam: “I want your opinion” *gets answer* Also Adam: “well, that’s like, just your opinion”

Adam refusing to answer her question about if he thinks that behavior is destructive was…embarrassing.

It comes across like this man is arguing for the sake of arguing. He talks in circles and never even makes a point, but he's quick to tell someone that makes a good point that they're wrong.

She was nailing it the whole time, and he kept missing it lol.

She absolutely destroyed Adam and just ran mental circles around him.

As someone who agrees with some of Tates messages, she was completely right on this topic. Adam made zero sense and was clearly talking as a bachelor. I’ve always agreed with PBD but she’s right when she told PBD he wouldn’t like that message for his daughter so how could he like it for all of society?

I don't understand how you can possibly defend Tristan's advice here. The woman was absolutely spot on about the Tate's message of materialism and thinking of women as objects. I, as a woman, also agree that masculinity is under attack in the west and the Tate brothers also explain and describe it flawlessly, however, their prescription of how to go about it is where I draw the lines.

Sir there are manyyyy women that have been in relationships with men that were not rich, and stayed with them FOR YEARSSSSSSSSS

Liz was spot on when she elevated men who are godly. 🕊️

Liz: Andrew is manipulative Adam: Game is game!

This is why I follow Andrew Tate as a 24 year old Man: “You're as competent as possible if you believe absolutely everything that's happened to you whether good or bad is completely your fault.” -Andrew Tate “The man who goes to the gym every single day regardless of how he feels will always beat the man who goes to the gym when he feels like going to the gym.” -Andrew Tate “The temporary satisfaction of quitting is outweighed by the eternal suffering of being a nobody.” -Andrew Tate

It is shocking to see men as educated and accomplished as Patrick and Adam sacrifice their critical thinking at the alter of old fashion alpha male egotism. Patrick even went so far as to throw his own daughters under the bus in favour of Andre Tate's brand of masculine influence, which he himself admitted he wouldn't want for his own daughters. And when Liz Wheeler called him out on it he doubled down because he would prefer his daughters live in a world of men influenced by Andrew Tate instead of a world influenced by men like Steven Bartlett. I pity his children.

Adam: Asks Liz her opinion on personal preferences. Liz: Answers Adam: But that's your opinion.

Liz has the drop. Adam proves himself to be the tool that he consistently is.

Awesome discussion 👏🏽. Keep bringing content like this. Very interesting and helpful!!! God bless 🙌 🙏🏾

Liz is on point. As a man being Godly is a primary goal of mine. The tates, as successful as they are, have a skewed moral compass. The mix positive male messages with destructive relationship practices abd dynamics. They confuse young ment into believing personal success is related to promiscuity.

Hate to say it but Adam looked incredibly ignorant in this segment. Adam: What is the most important quality you look for in a man? Liz: I look for a man that's Godly. Adam: That's just your opinion. Liz: Yeah, because you asked for my opinion. Adam: You want a Godly man, why didn't you marry a priest? Liz: Preists aren't allowed to get married, Adam. 🤣

Dude the amount of times Adam asked Liz to explain her point… cmon man, quit stalling lmao. Pat clearly explains his point and Liz actually made a fantastic point.

She's a keeper, congrats to her husband. About these brothers, they teach how to become what they are NOW. That's the danger, they are not fulfilled, they are just successful.

Yes, there is your answer, thanks for coming

She gets it. He doesn't get that he doesn't get it.

Adam is a perfect example of how little most ppl in the modern world take the time to carefully think things through. As William James once said, "A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices."

Love how Adam patronizes her in every sentence… 🤦‍♀️ still trying to understand why he’s on the show 🫠

Adam is out of his league. Perhaps his arguments and gaslighting would work well with the women of tiktok, but not an educated woman such as Liz and this has nothing to do with conservatism. Killed it Liz ❤

Liz absolutely nails this.

A woman whose virginity is still intact as an adult has made that choice for a reason. She's saving that for someone special who she believes she can have a lasting, meaningful, relationship with. Convincing her that you're that guy just to take it from her is truly despicable. The option of sex for women is ALWAYS on the table, they can get it anywhere any time. If they intentionally avoid it as a personal choice in service of a higher ideal you're a scumbag for seeking to destroy that virtue for another notch on your belt. No 2 ways about it.

So sad to watch people with daughters defending this kind of behavior.

Adam: "Don't YOU think it's incumbent on men to try and accomplish that?" Liz: says her opinion. Adam: "But that's your opinion"

You could tell PBD was disappointed in Adam and his dialogue with Liz , almost like he was embarrassed to have him as a cohost. The comments don’t lie, Adam just needs to branch off and do his own podcast . We all know he is drooling to have his own version of Fresh and Fit .

She wiped the floor with Adam. It's actually the perfect way to defeat his tawdry style of argumentation. He tries to take her off the actual point where he knows he doesn't have a case, but she stays right on it. Then he uses his hyperbole and attributes it to the other side, but she demands clarification. Giving him all the rope he needs. Lovely to see.

Adam is intolerant of anyone who disagrees with him. I bypass and skip over him these days. Not sure why PBD has him on his staff.

Liz was the clear winner of logic, reasoning, and understanding.

Adam spending all his energy explaining how successful the Tate’s are… Liz: go back to what I said…I don’t care how much money they’ve made. Adam: why are you making it all about money? You alright Adam? Need a snickers bar?

If I had a dollar for every time PBD told Adam "Where are you going with this" ...🤣🤣🤣

man adam just keeps losing these debates over and over everytime i watch a randomly watch a new video

Adam is such a smooth brain. I agree with a lot of things that Andrew Tate says but Liz is making an excellent point. The video with Tristan is disgusting.

Adam's arguing the same emotional way he used to in 2020 and 2021.

Adam is holding back PBD. Man knows how to annoy legit everyone.

Adam was totally destroyed here. Trying to defend something that cannot be defend.

Pat who idolizes Dumbo Donnie also idolizes Andrew Tate and his brother. Why am I NOT surprised. And yet Pat said he doesn't want his girls dating such guys and then says the Tate Brothers are good for society. God Help us

“Do you want your daughter dating a man like that?” Simple answer …hell no! I like how Tom and Patrick answered. Adam obviously does not have kids and is not married. Liz actually had a great response and take on this.

Liz is arguing with logic and facts

I don't understand how such a good and intelligent man that is PBD continues to keep Adam on the show, he is generally clueless about the world and brings nothing to any of these shows. I wonder if any of these men would be happy if their daughters/sisters date a Tate brother!

Thank God for Tom his response to PVDs question about the video and his opinion was beyond comprehension very simple response, but mind blowing in the substance😊

Liz definitely won that argument, at least the rational side of it. The Tate brothers advertise just another form of the hedonistic lifestyle. The guy defending them just makes excuses for being hedonistic.

Adam is the guy everyone looks at the party and thinks, should we tell him?

She’s right

Well done Liz, you are a champion

He really said “welcome to modern day dating” unbelievable

A man’s value should be determined based on his principles, beliefs, and actions rather than financial wealth. There are countless rich men who are absolute low life scumbags.

Not certain what to make of this!!

She's right.

I'm with Liz on this one....

I don’t understand how anyone could watch that video of Tristan and say that’s a “positive message” or come out in support of that.. Liz made great points one after another, and totally bodied Adam in that conversation. I wouldn’t even call that a “debate”…

I would like to get onto this podcast

6:27- The answer to that is "It's the reality we live in now. PLUS that was a question that was asked to Tristan Tate, and he simply gave his expertise and knowledge to the men. What? Free speech right? It's upto to them to follow"

Liz destroyed Adam. Good for her

Even PBD didn't get where Adam was going.......hell, Adam didn't even know where he was going lol

- Adam : can I make a point - Patrick : you have 20 seconds 😆😆😆😆😆

The only thing i learn from adam is that silence can be waaay better than talking sometimes …

Have to agree with Liz there, Adam is living the single bachelor lifestyle. Mainly the US and western dating culture are screwed.

As soon as Adam starts to talk I push the forward button. Omg I rather have a root canal then to listen to Adam go on and on. He totally takes control of the show.

There are numerous God-fearing men who are muscular and can provide for his woman and very well too

And they say women cant be logical ❤ she bought her point across with ease❤🎉

Liz is 100% right on this. They need to understand that the Tate brothers teach others how to become powerful, but not how to use it for the good of the world. It needs to be used for the good. If it's used for the bad it's destructive.

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”

He doesn't have a point . He wants to have a point that supports his belief in the tate brothers thats why he doesn't see anything that proves him wrong . "You see what you aim at " professor Jordan B Peterson .

She is, so far, the most eloquent detractor and her arguments were sound. Rather than use ad hominem attacks or other argumentative fallacies, she spoke directly to the normative aspect of the advice offered in the video by the Tates, and she was spot on. And it is about time someone eloquent provided a push back. The video by Tris was appalling. I do agree that they have other advice for men which is good, notwithstanding, the virgin advice was awful. The PDP team have a bias, as they are friends with the Tates, and so issue of incentive caused bias is at play. Fundamentally, the lady was addressing the ‘ought' argument (prescriptive statement), whilst the others were focused on the 'is' argument (descriptive statement). She was heads above the rest.

Went into this one thinking I was going to be on Adam's side and nope; she nailed it.

Patrick is the only one that can actually speak facts!

Literally everything she said the Tates advocate for, is literally the EXACT opposite of what they actually advocate for, anyone who listened to the PBD podcasts with them will immediately see this.

Andrew Tate is highly controversial and a disagree with a lot of what he says, but he pushes a line that nobody else will. I respect that.

Liz Wheeler is dead on! As usual I have no idea what point that Adam guy is trying to make....

Now that they are Tate friends, they can´t admit that Liz is right. Incredible.

I’ve characteristically ageee on most things Adam says. He’s not got enough wisdom to be objective, step outside of his own male POV, and see that she is SPOT ON. Damn, he is still under Tates level of awareness.

Her first comment is gold. Tate has done some good; but not all of his solutions work in a positive manner.

Adam tried to invalidate her cos she was a women but the funny thing is she had a way better take on men and masculinity then he could ever come up with

I’m a 48 yr old man who’s 6 ft tall and in good shape. I own my own very successful business. I agree with her. A reel man isn’t on a mission for meaningless sex but for one good women as a life long partner in doing good and in raising children with character, integrity and values who will positively effect future society.

Thank you so much 🙏

Even though I disagree with Liz but she definitely win the debate over Adam

Patrick is brilliant at explaining things clearly.

I think Tate teaching young men to value themselves is incredibly important in this day and age, however he exploited male neediness in order to get rich. On some level he was (is?) contributing to the problem while simultaneously providing a solution. There are much better role models out there for young men to follow.

6:48 she cant help but smile at the compliment

This conversation went off the rails because Adam was trying to "win" rather than have a discussion and Liz didn't pin him down when he was wrong. His best point was, "Hey, if the guy sticks around, and is a good boyfriend for a few months, how manipulative is that really? Are you telling me the virgin didn't sleep with him because she wanted to?" Liz should have responded, "Being a good boyfriend for a few months isn't the part I object to. I object to the guy planning, in advance, regardless of how the relationship is going, that he is going to dump her and go look for another virgin. That's the manipulative part."

PBD threw Adam into the fire with this one 😂😂😂 but I like how he saves him and articulates how most men view the Tate brothers.

I like Tom's take on this one. Both sides must be addressed for anything to be improved. I think we have to address the realties of 'casual dating'. It dehumanizes you and the other person. People don't like to admit it, but there's something about sex without committment that is dehumanizing. The lady is correct, though. I think many men are struggling with understanding the difference between being motivated to be better and being motivated to be materially successful. It's superficial and doesn't address the importance of human decency and spiritual awareness. These guys think getting money and women is equal to manhood. By making that of dominant importance (material and superficial wealth), and ignoring the realities of how problematic it is for men and women and children and society is not helpful. They have a skewed view of reality because they omit spiritual understanding. It's not good to teach boys and young men to chase material and women. And its not good to teach girls and women to also be that materialistic. It's not good to teach children to chase anything. They simply need to be guided toward being good humans. That can be simplified as, "Do your best to do no harm to yourself or others." It's harmful to dehumanize yourself or another, to use one another like objects, to idolize self or another or any object or worldly idea, to attempt to give away your power (freedom and responsibility) or take the power of another. It's also harmful to not express yourself. Freedom, responsibility, and expression are an important trinity. From there we can see that certain things we consider normal are indeed harmful. A poor diet or addiction to food, addiction to alcohol, addiction to sex or sexuality, addiction to celebrity status, and any other addiction are all harmful. It makes sense for people to put aside divisiveness, including hyper-materialism, and try our best to be good humans. Start with taking better care of yourself.

Adam gave a good lesson on how to intentionally misrepresent your opponent in a debate because you simply want to win. Liz was 100% right on this topic. I’m a Tate fan but man… big yikes, Tristan.

Liz is correct and clearly explains her logic which makes perfect sense-my sentiments exactly. Adam should've left a trail of breadcrumbs for him self before he started down that debate.

The older I get, the more I realize that the tates aren't really what they meant to say or trying to be. Yes, I agree. Men should be strong and men should be men but the same time. You should also respect women and respect everything around you.

If these guys' daughters/sisters were dating someone like Andrew Tate, they'd change their views in a split second.

Strange… best analysis I have heard since the start of the red pill bs comes from a woman. She comes across as rational and fair in her analysis.

PBD had the correct answer out of all of them.

She's extensively looked at all the Tates have done, but doesn't get the point. The overall message is to better yourself, in every possible metric and you will be able to provide and protect and be a leader. Adam is right. You want success in your life? Better yourself! Work towards that! The Tates are not trying to lead men to destruction.

Liz wins the argument on this one. They didn't explain how Tate's messages are not harmful, they just said there are worst things out there then what they are doing. We want to move forward, get better. The Tates are bringing us backwards not forward.

Patrick bet David is really good at dissolving differences 👏🏼 but no one can’t take away the fact that Liz nailed the flag of victory in this argument. And that other guy on the left .. yeah he completely drank the coolaid, we should all call him Neo 😅

P.B. Davis says “I’m surrounded by players.” Maybe you need to be more choosy about the company you keep if you feel surrounded.