It’s ultimately a player’s decision whether they want to celebrate or not. I have no problem if a player does celebrate against a former team , but it’s not a “disgrace” if they don’t. It’s just a sign of appreciation and respect for their former club. No one should have a problem with a player celebrating and you definitely shouldn’t have a problem if they don’t celebrate

Rare Tom L. Respect is a part of the game, and doing your job (scoring the goal) is one thing. Showing respect to a club you love is a choice and the right one imo.

I agree with Tom. The players don’t owe anything to clubs, if the player being there didn’t benefit the club they wouldn’t be there anymore. Clubs owe players they’re the ones with the ability to actually play football

It depends what kind of player if a player like Defoe scored against Sunderland i doubt anyone’s holding it against him for not celebrating.

It’s just out of respect for the fans. Scoring against them is one thing, celebrating is just rubbing salt in the wounds. It’s easier to just not celebrate. It’s not hard.

That’s a rare Garrett L for me

The biggest collection of melts of all time 😂 actually that’s a bit harsh on reev

Tom is right tbh, you already scored the goal if you want to celebrate it you should. I think its fair that players dont if they feel like they dont want to but to give someone hate or boo them for celebrating etc is too much. You cant expect a former player to not celebrate he's moved on from your team and plays for another. It's his work, its a professional relationship.

Damn rare Tom L unfortunately

Tom is 100% right Theo even said himself Walcott got booed anyway so why not just celebrate

Just depends on the situation I think

Tom's the type of person to realize they're wrong halfway through an argument and argue even harder for their obviously wrong opinion. It's not black and white but in general if the fans treated you well and the split from the team was amicable it makes sense to keep that relationship positive by being respectful (which could be not celebrating or a subdued just hugging your teammates type celebration), if the fans/team treated you poorly then go ahead and celebrate your little heart out because they don't deserve your respect.

One of the times Tom's brain is gone

Its entirely dependant for me, I know I wouldn't celebrate against my favourite club or against a club I had spent 5+ years with because you're obviously going to have a level of attachment after that length of time. Players not celebrating against teams they spent 1-2 years with or been on loan with is where I think it's a bit silly just doing the "respect" thing because its "expected" more than it's necessary.

Would you do it against the Albion Tom?

i really like the point reev made about goals being a part of the job but celebrating isn’t it basically should’ve ended there. goals are a part of gameplay and celebrating isnt. the player scored and did their job, but wether they celebrate or not / show respect or not is their choice and wether or not they should is just an opinion ❤ :)

Tom W on this one. People take a game of football way too seriously

It's the same as giving your all for the badge your wearing. When a club is giving you a chance to prove yourself and puts food on your table you should do everything you can for them. Once that's over you don't just forget about that. Depends on the case OBVIOUSLY

The only reason why I’d have a problem with a player celebrating would be if they were a massive legend at the club. For instance I’m a Newcastle fan, if Alan Shearer had a late career move to Aston Villa and scored against us and celebrated, then it would feel very weird and strange. Meanwhile if Bruno Guimarães moved to Man United next season and scored against us and celebrated, as much as I would hate to see it, I wouldn’t be angry with him because he’s not a legend, and therefore him as a player doesn’t personify the club in the same way a Shearer does for Newcastle, or Henry does for Arsenal, or Kompany does for City, Rooney does for Man United, or Kane does for Tottenham, etc.

Completely agree with Tom it's a job 😂

If they played there for 1 or 2 seasons and wasn't special then celebrate away. If club legends and loyal players that scored agaisnt their big known club, they wouldn't dare celebrate cause of all the memories they had with those clubs. Very very rare moment but Theo is right

This is the best pitchside moment and clip ever!

Tom L on this one. These aren't that common. I agree with him when it's players who's only played a couple of years at a club. Just celebrate. However club legends who doesn't celebrate will probably still have strong feelings for the club. That Tom can't separate being employed by another team from loving a club is so odd. Like, if QPR came a gave him a fat salary to do Social Media work for them it doesn't mean he would celebrate like a lunatic if they beat WBA. The club legends will in most cases view the club as more than just an employer. Unbelievable that he thinks you should shit all over that and the fans who supported you for years. Maybe he thinks that celebrating wouldn't be disrespectful, but that is equally as weird - depending on how you do it, and what it means to your current club.

Tom has this bang on, don’t see the problem with a player celebrating against a former club. He’s not saying rub it in, but celebrate the way you would scoring against any other team. Not even fist pumping after a goal makes it look like the players not arsed.

Common Tom W everyone should allowed to celebrate the goal. You can celebrate without disrespecting surely.

Don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer, up to however the individual see’s it.

tom just speaking facts though

Is hard for me, I’m a Everton fan and when richarlison scored I felt for him cause he didn’t want to leave but we had to sell him, but players such as Tevez and Adebayor who clearly had no loyalty, should cop criticism

I stand with Tom if you just celebrate with teammates there is no problem as long as it isn’t something like knee sliding right near enough into your old club fans then there is no problem and when they see that u scored if it’s not disrespectful you are just annoyed they scored u aren’t thinking about if Theo Walcott celebrates a little or not

I’m with Tom. If you score at the highest level even for a club you played for that’s a huge achievement so many can only dream of doing. Celebrate it! Be happy! It’s not like they’re going and shushing the crowd and talking shit, but smiling and running w your arms up and hugging your teammates is natural. Not disrespectful at all. This was the dumbest debate I’ve ever heard

The welsh lad is right imo

I Agree with Tom on this, if a Club doesn’t show loyalty to the players, why should the player show loyalty? They have every right to celebrate the goal, let it be against their former club. Why does a fan base or a club be so petty about a former player celebrating a goal against them? If you hate it, then why did you let him go?

A player should 100% celebrate but celebrate respectfully. And that teacher analogy, it’s like them passing and celebrate passing with their teachers, which they would…..

Unpopular common L for big Tom

Tom is right, u can respectfully celebrate like it’s not hard. Walcott got given an opportunity by arsenal yeh, but he put all the hard work in not the club. He deserves to celebrate against them considering he is a Southampton lad

Rare tom W, they are saying out of respect for the former club and former fans, what about the respect for the current club and current fans 🤷

It depends, if you spent a lot of time at the club and they helped you in some way then you shouldn’t, but otherwise it’s fine

If it's the first season after being transferred then I think they should show respect, after that it's fair game.

Why isn’t Tom on the podcast header and In bio ? He carries this podcast so hard.

i see both sides. ypu can celebrate but I think there is a line before it gets disrespectful. but you should be happy if you score

Its respective to the club that sold you and disrespectful to the club who had faith in you When you get dumped you don't refuse to do doggy because it was what you did with your ex You enjoy the moment with the new person.

Very common Tom W, don’t think you can disagree with anything that man says 😅

There’s a difference in “Scoring a goal & celebrating that moment” & “scoring a goal against your former club & celebrating like you want to prove something”. When a player scores a goal against his former club and goes on to celebrate in front of his new clubs fans, that’s alright. If they want to just prove a point and end up celebrating like a prick in front of his former club’s fans, that’s debatable on being disrespectful.

Everyone saying 'out of respect' it's disrespectful to the current team and fans to not celebrate with them lol, Tom is spitting facts, and going back to the point made in the video about Messi scoring against Barca and winning the UCL does he just not hold the trophy and celebrate winning it cause he beat Barca in the final like what

i think there's degrees of celebration

For the “It’s respecting the fans” debate. Do the fans refrain from booing players who are having a bad run of form?! Do they show respect then?! Or do they make him/her feel exactly what they feel at that moment?! So, why celebrating a goal , not just against those fans but for scoring an actual goal in a game of football, such a crucified thing.

If a player wants to celebrate a goal against an old club, I have no issue with that. But to say it’s pathetic if they don’t is absolutely ridiculous 😂 Major Tom L in this video

As an Arsenal fan, if Thierry Henry scored against us and did the sexy slide to celebrate..it would hurt so bad

Garratt should’ve phrased his argument simply as “the club got rid of them when they didn’t need them at all, that’s not respect. Fuck the respect on the other end”

Players are supposed to be loyal but if a player has a bad season the fans will want him out and the club will look to sell him.

There’s a difference between over celebrating and celebrating

Tom W

1000% agree with tom, unless they are going out of their way to make it disrespectful (adebayor) then who cares

Tbf, what does Theo Walcott owe Arsenal? They never valued him as a first team player, he owes them nothing. If he was a key Arsenal player then I’d understand but he wasn’t

I think as long as they don’t do the hand cupped to their ears, shush etc then it’s perfectly fine. A worker owns nothing to an employer more than their labour, thus applies to this.

I can see where Tom is coming from. You can also debate that it's disrespectful towards your "new" club to not celebrate and smile when you score a goal.

A goal should always be celebrated. Its disrespectful to the new team and fans not to.

By not celebrating, you are telling the fans of the club you play for that they arent as important to you as the former clubs fans

All depends on the circumstances in which the player left

It's always been performative

Not going to lie if you don't celebrate a goal bc it was against your former club I see it as a little disrespectful to your current club. Also, footballers do kinda owe a club if they gave them a career but don't owe that much bc it's not like they were giving charity from the club. Also if a former club/fans can respect a player enough to let a player celebrate a goal against them thats messed up. The player made the decision that was best for there career and don't punish them for that

Why are we talking about the club giving them a chance like they would have never been able to play football anywhere else. Ultimately this is a business and not celebrating almost seems disrespectful the the fans that they currently represent. Harry Kane doesn't owe Totenham anything he has made that club relevant over the last 8 years. He probably won't celebrate because he wants the relationship after his career but why are we acting like players owe these billion dollar organizations their life..

So a player shouldn’t celebrate if they score a last minute winner to win the champions league against an old team???

You do not celebrate causing pain to people you care about, whether that's I'm football or otherwise

Theo basically said if you score a last minute winner in the champions league final against your old team, don’t celebrate common garratt W

At the end of the day it’s a job, you leave to take a new job and end up taking a client from your old job are you gonna feel bad? No

Players dont owe their former clubs anything, they get paid to play there. its a benefitial relationship for both the player and the club. If you go work somewhere then get a new job later, you dont owe everything to your previous job? You paid back what you "owed" while you worked there.

Depends on how the club treated the player for me

Common Tom W

Footballers need to protect their personal brand. Using Walcott as an example, he may have ambitions to return to Arsenal in a non playing role in the future. If he celebrates here he would not be accepted by the fans. We can talk about respect and thats how its portrayed but theres more to it. Adebayor could never become a striker coach at Arsenal for example. Maybe Tom should think more about his personal brand going forward before he slips up and starts talking about bombing countries for no apparent reason 🤣🙈

One of Tom’s biggest W’s

London softies 😂 Tom is right

I fuckin loved it when van persie celebrated against arsenal

These types of “debates” should be laughed off… not given a whole video😂😂

Tom is right. By respecting your former club, you’re disrespecting your current club and their fans.

Reev is absolutely correct

i’m with tom you can celebrate without going over board

u can tell Tom lived in america at one point cuz he’s the only one who isn’t soft, if you celebrate that doesn’t make it disrespectful automatically just celebrate the right way

Never agreed with Tom Garrett more in my life

Rare Tom Garratt L

This shit was hilarious😂

YESSS TOM lolol

Mate olise doesn’t even celebrate full stop so on this logic what do you say about him

mate James Milner scores in Anfield and he's gonna celebrate?

It’s not hard to not celebrate in front of fans who may have adored you and sung your name for years. Terrible take from big G.

He’s right , Walcott owes arsenal nothing

The team didn’t respect Walcott to keep him

common tom W

Tom w

Nah this is a tom L

Well should the team not celebrate if they score against former team mates or international teammates out of respect hahahhaah

Common Garrett W

Common Theo W

Theo is out of line yet again. Players owe their former club absolutely zero. Sure, players may have respect for the club but they owe absolutely nothing to prior clubs. Theo's takes have gotten worse and worse, almost unbearable to listen to in recent episodes and watch alongs. Imagine thinking a professional wouldn't want to score against anyone, even their former side.

agains

Its your job you shouldnt celebrate regardless!

Theo might be the biggest melt about

Tom speaking facts as per

Tik Tok guy in the cap just says anything to argue. The Katie Hopkins of football youtube. He will be cancelled soon. Already slipped a bombing comment out of no where...

Gara, I’m ngl this is a bit of an L which is extremely rare for you lad