The sexual tension between these two is something else

Always look forward to Friday’s to hear Martin and Simon have they’re weekly squabble 😂

There is no way keown defends Simon to the hilt behind closed doors aha you can tell it's exactly the opposite!

Simon must love it waking up every Friday morning knowing he's got to do a show with Martin Keown.

These get so heated, I honestly think Martin is going to either cry or hit out at Simon. I am literally in my car, listening and then waiting for an outburst that seems to be on the brink of occurring. Anyway, Martin doesn't address the question: What are players prepared to forgoe in order to play less or have longer breaks? Because Simon is right, that is how it would work, there'd need to be a compromise.

4:05 when Jim looks straight into the camera 😂 you know he’s saying Martin is getting grilled

Martin - don't disrespect player. Martin- Danny didn't play at a level like me and play as much as me

Find it hard to relate when I work on average 6 days a week just to keep a roof over my head, and I earn decently enough, so people on lower wages are struggling even more than me. Wish I got paid 6 figures a week, I'd play 7 days a week for that.

the pique interview with Neville recently was eye opening…drop kids off at 0900, get to work for 0930, meetings and training till 1100, then rest of the day to do what you want. In any other career, that is an absolute joke. Apparently when poch went into spurs, they were amazed they might have to work afternoons to talk tactics These players don’t know what hard work is They are doing their hobby for big bucks Get on with it

Simon Jordon is purely the reason I listen to talksport now, could listen to him all day

Martin Keown : Danny Murphy didn’t play as much as me Danny Murphy played in the 2001 team which was a record 63 games that season “Invincible “ Martin keown

Simon Jordan has keown and Sinclair in his back pocket every week and Jim white loves it😂

I feel bad for Simon, imagine dealing with absolute weapons like keown and Sinclair everyweek

Well then accept a cut in wages if you're going to do less work.

3:19 I love it when White cracks up at Simon's insults to Keown.

Oh no….players getting paid thousands of pounds each week and they struggle to play a couple of games a week….my heart bleeds

Clearly, money has distorted things so much in football, player welfare (an important issue) is seen as wanting your cake & eating it. Until players are returned to the real world, sympathy is going to be in very short supply.

That wasn’t that heated TBH. I agree with Simon saying Martin is being one dimensional. Martin claims to speak for players, but shoots down the credibility of Murphy just because he has a different point of view. I suppose only the “elite” players are worthy to be supported in his mind. Like him or not, Simon is actually a much more objective debater.

Agree with Simon on this, I can't see players taking a pay cut for days off for recovery.

Simon, you are 100% correct. The players, even the ones we love are unbelievably greedy. It’s all about money. Very few of them show any loyalty towards the fans and the clubs that provide the platform for them to enhance their reputations. There are too many games however, and the internationals should never be played during a season.

Keown has completely discredited himself with the Daily Mail article. No one is paying attention to his point of view, at all.

Keown & Sinclair astound me

Absolutely agree with Simon. Players get paid so much right now that they haven't got any rights to even complain at this point, just do your jobs and keep your heads down. If you want more rest, it means you'll be working less, therefore you should take a pay cut, but I'm certain they don't want that. That's like saying you don't wanna work 5 or 6 days a week and instead want to work 3 because you don't get enough rest then expect to get the same salary, it just doesn't work like that. Players nowadays have too many privileges and they're starting to abuse that fact.

I’m with Simon on this… I dunno how else players expect teams to meet their greediness in recent times 😊

For the wages the players are on, the medical staff they have at their disposal, moaning about work loads is laughable. They're so disconnected from the real world

Why does Martin keep turning up to a gun fight with a knife.... when will he learn???????

I like Jordan when he is speaking unopposed. But when someone takes a different view point to him or challenges something he says, he is so condescending it’s terrible to listen to. If he wasn’t so arrogant he’d be a brilliant commentator.

I'd love to see these lads for 8+ hour shifts 5 days a week because if they're complaining about their current workload they'd fucking die doing a proper job

How can I have loved Keown so much as a player but as a pundit/journalist he's such a damn snowflake, these players get paid ridiculous money and are more than happy to receive the wage to play these matches, doctors and fire services are on call 24/7 and risk their lives in doing so. The jab at Murphy is disgusting

Players are paid ridiculous amounts of money for doing something they love. There are people on poor wages having to work 60 hour weeks to make ends meet but yet footballers can retire at 35 and be made for life. It's a pointless argument and players need to man up

Keown "Show footballers some respect" Jordan "Like you did to Ruud V. Nistlerooy?"

I never understand why people ask "what are the players willing to give up"? The clubs are not willing to give up the revenue from all these games, that's why there are so many fixtures. They don't play competitions to pay wages, they pay wages to play competitions. The players have no choice but to play, this is their job and they can't just tell their employer no. They are also frowned upon if they turn down international duty for club football. The only solution is to lower the number of games in the knockout competitions, get rid of pre-season and all it's ridiculous travelling and reduce the number of international fixtures during the season. Premier league teams have the most intense schedules of any sporting league. Their season is 11 months long, plus summer international duty, it's actually not fair. Footballers in general play more than any other sport. It's no wonder they are the only ones crying for better schedules.

Absolutely brilliant debate, love watching on KZfaq as Jim’s expression are priceless. Keep the good work up, I know it’s appreciated, especially by me 👍

These two really don’t like each other. Simon’s spot on the money with his analysis, that’s why players don’t like him because he speaks the truth and it threatens their reputation. Martin isn’t someone I would really take any opinion. It’s like someone pointing out boris Johnson broke lock down rules. They’re not going to like the person who pointed it out but doesn’t take away from the fact it’s true. Same premise here.

Yes. That's why we have big squads. Although I will say that the international games are often pointless and very detrimental. Nobody asked for random friendly international tournaments, and friendlies are often pointless. These should be trimmed down.

Judging by Keowns drive and determination when he played, you would of thought he may have been on the complete opposite side of the fence in this argument. Ah well made for a fun debate

Keown can only go personal lol

Maybe Keown should watch the tennis, players play for 4 or 5 hours sometimes in the blistering heat and often come back the next day for more. The truth is top level footballers have never been more pampered and better off in all aspects than they are today but Simon is right, it's all about more more more for less less less.

Every team submits 25 senior players. Enough to play even 3 matches in a week. 👊 Simon

People like Martin think that anything less than 100% supplication to players is 'disrespectful' 🙄🤦‍♂️

I feel so sorry for them So my idea is this 15 minutes each way. 30 minute half time break which includes a massage. 11 subs. 1 game a month. Pay them all 500 thousand pound a week which includes a 4 month break for summer

Simon is always on point. These players will always take and never give 🤣

I was listening to this debate live this morning as I was driving. What came to my mind was this: Bring in a wage cap for all players. There is no way hundreds of thousands of pounds a week are needed by the players, no way, it is obscene what some of them get. By reducing wages, and I mean by more than 10,000 or 20,000, maybe have the cap set at around 50,000 a week, that will drive down season/match day tickets prices thus allowing the blue collar working dad and his son, who are priced out of the game, to attend games. Scrap international friendlies, they are pointless. Scrap the nations international league. Stop trying to expand the Champions league. How about having the champions league for actual champions of each European league? Plus, maybe have the winners of each European leagues major Cup (FA Cup in england) play in the European Cup. Also, scrap extra time in Cup final games and go straight to penalties after 90 minutes! I recall, about 20 years or so ago, an article I read regarding professional sports players and the hours per week they work based on the 38 hour a week regime that regular Joe blogs works. Football players, it was stated, work about a 13 hour a week, and at the time, I believe that included match day. Tennis players were closest to 38 hour week at around 33 hours. Now, that may have changed somewhat, some 20 years later, but not by much I'm guessing. Sadly, money has ruined the game. Players in the top leagues do earn way too much and the powers that be in football are going to continue with the forever changes to get more money out of folk who enjoy watching games, either in the stadiums or on TV and they do not care. The careers of top level players is short but some if them in their 20's could retire tomorrow with the money they have and let's not forget the money they earn from endorsements. Sterling for instance advertising Gillette razor's, he's probable getting something like a million a year for that, on top of his Man City wages of about 100,000 a week or more!

EXCUSE ME if I don't get my violin out and start playing it for people that earn obscene amounts of money and are often are doing what they LOVE to do for a so called living... ladies and gentlemen, I give you international and premier league footballers ... On a completely different planet to the rest of us !

Keown is the Grand Midwit of football punditry. Rarely have I heard a pundit speak so much and say so little.

Martin Keown - living proof that heading a football regularly can cause serious brain damage !

just watch Jim, he's loving it! 😂

Jim always has that glint in his eye that screams "I'm fucking loving this" 😂

I used to play for 3-4 hrs everyday after school sometimes 9 vs 11 or even 8 vs 15 scores used to be dbl figures and still got up for school next day and went again these players have no idea what it takes to be elite 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻

Player welfare. The best sports scientists. The best recovery machinery . Virtually everything they could have to perform at the highest level and claim their careers could be shortened, when you got players like zlatan and ronaldo still going fairly strong. Get over yourselves. You get paid millions for what you do. Don't like it? Sainsburys are hiring

Such an epic broadcasting line up. Well done all 👏

Simon is correct.Players would rather play than train.Players want to play for successful teams,which obviously means more games played compared to unsuccessful teams.Also,whenever teams are granted a mid-season break/winter break,they jet off to the USA or the Far East to play friendlies! It's ridiculous.Top players train to play at this level.Compared to pro male tennis players they have it not too bad.These guys can be on court for 3-5hrs,then play 48hrs later

I love it when Simon looks at the producers and laughs

Keown has lost all credibility as a pundit since he admitted to lying in his column about Spurs and Arsenal. why should anyone take him seriously after that?

Coincidentally i was looking into the effect injuries have on clubs financially.. also the Prem has the most player injuries in football. So it only makes sense to be mindful of player well being if you want a overall better performance.

I hate to say it but I agree with Simon. players won't give up the money. UEFA needs a salary cap based off of club/league revenue. That way if the number of games goes down the salary cap does too. Works in American football (NFL is the most profitable league in the world) and allows the clubs to be profitable and sustainable. It might also allow for a little more parity.

Simon Jordan is absolutely my favourite Englishman!

I have no sympathy for these player who earns multi-millions every yr, have beautiful women queued up to a mile, gets to live the every men’s dream. Meanwhile you and I work 9 to 5 every five days a week.

Injury will happen with too many games but with big squad sizes, rotation can be done. Play for a big club, expect the challenges.

I love how Jim looks at us as if to say wtf is going on now!🤣😭😭😭🤣🤣😭🤣🤣🤣

Easy solution: use your squad instead of the same 11 every week. There you go , sorted 👍

I wonder if Martin keown brings his pack lunch with him on a Friday as Simon always seems to take him to school.

Have a squad of 26 players. They are getting paid £100,000+ a week and can't play 3 games a week. People work 12 hour days 7 days a week to get by. I don't want to hear it.

Jim “ try not to personalise it” Shut up Jim! 🤣🤣

Ive watched football since 1964, and I have watched great teams get knocked out of the European Cup pre Champions League, Teams knocked out in Round 1, no 2nd 3rd 4th placed clubs just League Winners, and thats what the format should be, then at least if you are knocked out, you wont have to play mid week in that comp. The same applies with the Europa League, go back to a draw, and loses go out. The are too many games now, and players are knackered. The World Cup, why increase the amount of teams, have it at 8 groups of 4, winners go into a draw. European Championship do the same. A two week break from Dec 20th to 3rd Jan. And a 6 week break from June to mid July. You dont race the likes of Frankel every week in a Group one race, the horse would collapse, and die. You dont see Tyson Fury fighting for the heavy Weight Championship of the World Every week. So why put Footballers through that sort of punishment.

Simon Jordan! What a man and speaks for the football fans! 🙌🏻

I agree they should move fixtures from a 12:30 kick off time to either 15:00 or later in the evening for champions league teams that play on a Wednesday evening however the TV companies like BT will kick off

There has to be a boundary tho .. if we get to a tour-de-france scenario and playing almost every day it brings along with it other nasty side effects to keep players able to meet the demands.

Pure perfection from Sir Simon as per. Go home Keown,you're embarassing yourself with your baseless personal attacks.

Simon fights better on the backfoot. He came out swinging

Less games and more rest time = better performance from players, or in otherwords a higher quality football match.

Didn't know that Keown's career was ended by such a serious injury. Loss off a spin and man parts.

Keowns an absolute pro at losing his head 😂

seems like footballers want all of the upside (wages) and want to play as little as possible! it's not hard to work out, if the wages were less they wouldn't need to keep finding more revenue streams such as more games and tournaments to keep finding the money to pay these players. Simon's absolutely spot on as usual.

25 man squad and youth players. It’s on the coaches and the clubs to rotate, if the club, manager and physios play a player to breaking point that’s on them not the league, not the cups.

Love these guys an difference of an opinion .Great show😁

Simon Jordan is such a professional 👏

NFT Keown needs a holiday. Had a poxy few weeks

I am with Martin Keown on this one. Its easy for people like Simon Jordan to say that since players are being paid XXX amount of money, they ought to play every single day. Football evolves everyday in terms of financial but safety, health and well-being of the players should not be compromised.

I played football at the local park 5-6 days of the week and you didn't here me complaining. Went to work after dead tired but I did it cos I loved it. Footballers who get paid 2x or 3x normal people's salaries per week shouldn't complain too much. Some people die at their jobs from hazardous environments. Footballers worst injuries may only be ACL tears or Achilles ruptures in which they get their full salary even if they are out for a year. There ain't no job out there for normal people to be paid sick leave for an entire year. Footballers are so disconnected from the real world. Even Zlatan the other day said he doesn't wanna retire cos life after football scares him

Martin Keown, taking up for the players while trashing another former pros career to make his point, candidate for eggheads that man is...🤣

I’m with Simon 👌

The Rash v The Brash 😂😂✋🏼

I've always been of the belief that it is not the games that cause the fatigue but the amount of training Players do between games.

Simon Jordan is the king and always will be. Get back on your fence keown

Very interesting point here. If most jobs make people work to point of exhaustion but are paid well, then wouldn’t it be fair for them lower the amount of work relative to a lower level of money received for that work? Seems like pretty easy calculus. Work less = paid less. Work more = pay more. Am I missing something?

Jim White is absolutely hilarious- You can see him trying to keep a straight face😂

There is another dimension to this - coaches or tactical styles. Pressing and counter pressing are more and more common. It makes games more demanding for players - you are expected to run 90 min. Why Fabinho and Thiago cannot be fit? Because they play in Klopp’s intense system. There is a reason why a lot of players in Italy that can play into their late 30s - it is slow paced and defensive league which do not require intense running and pressing.

I love Simon. 💪

The players want to eat there cake and have it

I love how Jim just sits in the middle and soaks it in. Whoever you agree with, Jordan vs Known is the best battle of the week.

Simon is right, if players complain about more games & no rest they have to accept a reduction in wages, end of the day you have a big squad for a reason, more games mean other squad players can play, i feel for more sorry for those that don’t play than the ones that do.

Martin Keown, you're a spoilt, brat. Also, I like the idea of the "stars" taking a back seat more often, they're holding back other stars that'll never get the chance to shine, especially in the premier league. 😉

NO matter how hard you try, you cannot argue a player getting payed 350k a week shouldn't play 65 games a season, its only logical the more you get payed the more games you should play.

There’s a reason why clubs have squads. To share workload. If the workload is too much then learn how to rotate and make use of your U23 reserves

There are more games in the modern football season. But there are also more players in squads to rotate, better recovery and more physios than ever before. If Klopp uses the same 11 until they drop that’s on him. Pep has built a squad he can rotate and he often does so it’s not a case of the governing bodies need to do more, the clubs themselves and the managers need to do more.

Keown's arguments are as empty as Biden's head. Honestly he should be on the Cundy show, he is about at that level of intellect

Talksport gaslighting as usual. We know that Simon has been affected by the greed in football and has prejudices against agents and owners because of that. We know that Martin has been affected by the stresses of playing too much football. But instead of saying what we know to be true, we are instead invited to take sides. You're being manipulated people.

Simon speaks with reason. love the honesty sir

A simple solution: In the contract, you just include the maximum/minimum number of games you should play, and the minimum days, or hours, between the games in a season.