HE KILLED 2 PEOPLE - Destiny Challenges Sam Seder To A Debate ►kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kLtdhNSZt7fTnI0.html RITTENHOUSE COVERAGE ►kzfaq.info/sun/PLFs19LVskfNyAurk3ukoZCLicrPIyPw7j Destiny Debates Sam Seder From The Majority Report. ►kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r5egrMR6nrvHXWg.html

Seeing Sam Seder yell 'guzzling buckets of come' is the greatest thing that has happened in the Debatebro sphere this month. No wonder Steven decided to drop the manifesto and retire after that.

The citizens united back and forth I got his point on but the entirety of the Rittenhouse debate had me raging in my car

There’s nothing worse than having a strong opinion on something that you know nothing about. I was heavily disappointed when Sam Cedar said he didn’t watch the trial. A trial is the laying out of facts and evidence. How can you make a decision if YOU DON’T GATHER FACTS FIRST??

"Crossed state lines" on Rittenhouse is a straight up tell for someone who doesn't want to frame the issue honestly.

Gained my respect for defending Rittenhouse. My mind is blown at the amount of people still calling him a cold blooded murderer with all the video evidence available. I literally can’t process how someone could think it wasn’t self defense other than hating him for his political affiliation, which is just sad.

The most hilarious part is that Sam Seder KNEW about the guzzling buckets of coom, he even had it written down... and he STILL talked with destiny with a calm tone in the beginning.

When you can keep changing your argument on the fly and refuse to account for it, you’re never wrong.

He keeps saying Rittenhouse is untrained. One thing is certain; his aim and trigger discipline while running backwards/ laying on his back/ hitting moving targets, was totally exceptional. He is definitely well trained with that firearm

Finally, someone named Steven that has the balls to debate Sam Seder.

You know Destiny getting serious with a debate when he actually focuses on his guests and doesn't multitask.

Wrongful death ? They literally chased him and attacked him 😂

The situation was basically that a kid was being pursued by a mob because he put out a fire. They DIDN"T like the fact that he was putting out fires. That is what started this whole thing. All you need to know is that one side supports the kid putting out fires. The other side supports the mob that got angry that the kid was putting out fires.

he didn’t watch the trial but he surely has strong opinions about it. makes sense

39:00 The mistake that cost two people their lives wasn’t done by Rittenhouse, it was done by the people attacking him.That’s why he was exonerated.

He conceded that Rittenhouse traveling isn't really an issue...then later yells "He drove 20 minutes across state lines!"

"You went to the woods, took bear mace with you, and ended up macing a bear. You went to the woods to mace bears. You are a psychopath"

If it takes a rittenhouse level defense for self defense justification in anyone's mind, you have no idea what's realistic.

Seder here serves as a good example of exactly what Destiny is criticizing: Eternally getting key details wrong when they’re inconvenient to preferred framing, not watching trials while pushing emphatic assertions related to the case, and being cemented in emotional opinions born from falsehood despite evidence to the contrary. Embarrassing 😬

"I don't watch trials, I just give I give misinformed opinions on them"

Wow I'm glad Sam dropped out of law school. Actually embarrassing the distances he'll go to smear someone who defended themselves

Destiny’s rhetoric has really improved. He was really composed and structured his arguments in a really non-aggressive, conversational way. The rhetoric arc is working.

the best kind of truth: technically the truth

So Sam doesnt even watch the trial, yet feels Kyle was not justified in protecting his own life? This dude is a joke.

Apparently, at the time of this debate, neither one of you had the fundamental facts Rittenhouse was staying at a friends house the night Blake was shot He was already there. He didn’t go to Kenosha because he heard about the riots. He spent more than 50% of his time in Kenosha. He worked in Kenosha his dad lives in Kenosha. His dad owns a business in Kenosha. Kenosha is definitely his community. He originally went there during the day, and there’s video evidence of him offering assistance to protesters. No weapon. He was not roaming the streets that is a false narrative . He was in one location noticed people starting a fire, grab the fire extinguisher, went to put it out. When he did, he was threatened with violence and being chased down and told he was going to be killed if he was caught. That’s when Kyle Rittenhouse shot his first attacker. When Rittenhouse heard people saying get him, he decided to run towards the police. As running toward the police down the street, he was then starting to be attacked by several others. People who he hesitated to shoot at. The only three people he actually shot were the three people that were will being life-threatening violent towards him. Imagine that? being chased down by more than a dozen people, and attacked by more than 6 and in fear of your life, you managed to only shoot the three people that were being life-threatening violent to you. Sam admits that he doesn’t know all the facts because he didn’t watch the case. He literally has no clue what he’s talking about here, and he’s formed an opinion based on his own ignorance. That should tell you a lot about Sam. He is intellectually dishonest.

Rittenhouse could've been a neo nazi who went there with bad intentions. That doesn't really matter when all the guys he shot go about forcing him into situations where he can justifiably use lethal force in self defense because they're presenting a believable imminent threat of bodily harm or death to him. Being an asshole and all round bad guy doesn't mean you lose the ability to defend yourself and should just let others do you harm or try to kill you. I have no doubt his feelings were inflamed when he saw the destruction of property on TV like many others. Does that mean he can kill them for it? No, and he didn't. He killed and maimed only persons that tried to do him harm.

"I had very little coverage of the case," "I don't watch the legal case" Well he certainly had some fucking spicy takes on that video of his for not having watched the case and knowing little about it.

If the races were reversed, Sam would be defending Kyle. Simple as that.

The point regarding Kyle using this for fame, is moot. You nailed it. He didn't seek fame, he was made famous by people like Sam. They wanted to make him a public enemy, they wanted to make him infamous. You can't spell infamous without famous children.

I can't believe Destiny killed Sam Seder, with his words. And now look at him, monetizing it. Edit: After having now listened to the full discussion regarding Rittenhouse, Sam Seder is proof positive on why "Innocence until proven guilty" is vitality important to a functioning society. Buckets over here so desperately wants Rittenhouse to be guilty. When Destiny brought up how the Riots started because of fake news (every headline after Blake was shot was "Unarmed black man shot in the back 7 times by police") Buckets rambled on how his buddy 30 years ago got pulled over for driving an expensive car a lot and said that's what started the riots. Buckets has failed the NPC test and well id say he's guzzled large quantities of the proverbial koolaid, buuuuut... Adam and Sitch will be putting out a clip compilation later this week on Sam Seder totally factual not at all emotional tirade from day 1 of the Rittenhouse stuff. I hope Destiny takes a peek at it later because he only got a small shot glass of Sam's prolific guzzling of thick, thick hot white man juice.

Let’s ignore he shot someone who was chasing him for putting out a literal dumpster fire he was pushing into a gas station.. After shots went off behind him and rossenbaum grabbed for his gun… After rossenbaum threatened to kill him and others that night..

"I'm not saying they should leave, I'm saying that no one should go and help them and just let their town burn!"

People to this day still think that Rittenhouse killed a black man.

GUZZLERS UNITE 🥛

Rittenhouse didn't "roam the streets". He was on the lot of a car dealership and only left it to put out a fire. That's when he was attacked and pursued through the streets. This debate feels like I fell into a wormhole into 2021. All of this stuff was talked about at length in the trial.

Destiny gives a masterclass in exposing hypocrisy.

Seder is an absolute god at weaseling out of situations where he is obviously wrong. He's such a rat in these debates

Destiny is missing the part about how Kyle Rittenhouse was in Kenosha the day before and how he was a volunteer EMT and he was carrying a medkit and the gun was secondary to defend himself. There's pictures of him doing volunteer work in kenosha

Only criticism is you really should've forced Sam to admit the Kenosha rioting was also bullshit. WTF are the police supposed to do, let him take off with two little kids in the back seat, potentially killing them all while fleeing from the cops?

Thank you Destiny! I laughed my arse off every time Sam said "guzzling buckets of cum". Besides you having the superior argument here, Sam repeating that line over and over again was the best part of this debate. 😂 And for the record, I think you were correct in describing how Sam would react had the roles been reversed.

Sam is such a clown “I didn’t watch the trial and I don’t watch any media about the topic” “Here’s my very strong opinion even though I don’t know anything about the issue” Lmao

That George Floyd framing Destiny used to prove his point was *chef’s kiss* BEAUTIFUL!

Past the fact that dude only reacted to agression... Kyle, the koreans in LA, the mexicans in chicago they are all the same. Got beef with the government go handle it but if you decide to pick on the communities 11/10 you deserve whatever they got reserved for you.

He wasn't on trial for vigilantism or was he suppose to be there or not. He was on trial for murder and the jury said no murder was committed cause it was self defense. It's literally that's simple

2 things - Super glad you didn't let him get away with saying that he hasn't been following the case that closely by saying "It's one thing to not be following something but then why have such a strong opinion about it?" Also, really glad you brought up that Kyle could have just had the gun to protect himself from violent protesters. I'm surprised they didn't go with that defense in court and it hardly got brought up but that's obviously why he would have had the gun, not to protect property.

Did Destiny forget the term "lying by omission"? When Seder cherry-picks his "facts" about Rittenhouse while ignoring others and even then still get one or two wrong. Easy example of this happened as soon as the trial began and a lot of people came out on social media stating they didn't even know the people who got shot were white, which considering the context the shooting should be an important information specially since it was in the summer of love of 2020.

Because Kyle was acquitted he doesn’t have to disappear and hide from society. He has every right to go public.

As I rabbit hole my way more and more of destiny's content and truly like him more each day while on the opposite side of political views. I can't help but enjoy his intelligence and thoughtful perspectives. This debate literally got handed on a platter when destiny brought up the L.A riots and how the asians protected their property that is the ultimate take away from the red herring argument and ignorance of well "Kyle" could have just stayed home while K burned down. 24:12

Two men debating and talking about subjects openly is how things can get accomplished and society has worked for a very long time. And without it, we wouldn't be in great condition.

Him going from calm and using passive language saying he didn't follow the trial to then get that heated and raise his voice defending his characterization of an event he admits he didn't follow the trail for is surreal to watch play out. It so clearly displays the word games he's playing whether he realizes he's playing them or not.

Take a shot every time Sam gets heated about Rittenhouse and then throws his hands up and says that he doesn't care as soon as Destiny pins him on something

Holy hell sam is so dishonest...

“What side is he on?” There it is, he was salty because Sam see’s the kid as the enemy, the other team. That’s why he treats him as such.

"Wrongful death" is still downplaying the fact that it was in self-defence and has been decided at court that it was self-defence.

Completely irrelevant to Rittenhouse, but if people are rioting, why the hell shouldn't you be able to protect your property with lethal force? Why do rioters have a right to destroy? But suddenly people who defend their property (and more likely their lives) shouldn't do that?

Ask the guy who lost his bicep how many more protests he will attend.

24:15 you know how black people can protect themselves from cops? Don't go outside. Come on bruh, it sounds stupid doesn't it?

It's weird to see progressives embracing the "she was asking for it" argument.

destiny straight up wrong on citizens united. "this will be argued every time!" no it won't and it literally was not. it was "just fine" until citizen's united. pretty bad faith, tbh.

What it comes down to is Sam hates business, property, care for your community. If he would have got shot instead of shooting he would agree he should be shot

Sam: I can’t substantiate all of my claims and choose not to listen. Gets louder with every diversion

If that Blake guy killed those kids and another family in a crash and was taken into custody without incident, theyd be more outraged at him not getting BK than the deaths. Pretending to care about black ppl theyd be terrified of in any other context is like fantasy football to this sect.

Sam's got a real talent in speaking for an inordinate amount of time, and saying something that would take the average person 30 seconds. It's just tiring to listen too.

The reason those people died was because they attacked Kyle Rittenhouse. Kyle Rittenhouse didn't have any intent to shoot hurt anyone. He was attacked, he defended himself. He was pursued, he was shot at, he was assaulted. Those were the actions which led to their deaths. Sam is saying that him going there alone was the reason that led to them being killed. That is a stretch and false.

Students at his college protested because they were allowing him to take online classes......not even being there in person.....and they didn't even want the kid to be able to do that. And you have an issue with him making some money on the conservative circuit?

props to Seder for actually talking to you

The final cope of someone who's Dead. Fucking. Wrong. is to say, "Well, he may not have done anything illegal, or even necessarily immoral... but... he's just such a jerk!"

Rittenhouse had no right to be in Kenosha. He illegally transported a firearm he also obtained illegally across state lines. That's enough to turn what he did into first degree murder.

I think the best question is, WHY DID A KID FEEL LIKE HE NEEDED TO GO AND PROTECT THE COMMUNITY?… the men didn’t do their job so a kid felt like he needed to go defend and protect.

Sam Seder : "he was an ass hole" Destiny : "he has the right to be so" No one said he doesn't have the right to be an ass hole.

Hes taking the Vaush approach "he just should have submitted to mob rule"

39:35 So Kyle's "mistake" cost other people their lives? So his "mistake" is what convinced them to attack a man equipped with a firearm

Why beat around the bush? Killing someone trying to destroy your property when the police are non-responsive is a right. A natural right. And good riddance if you think you’re justified to destroy peoples property without recourse.

It’s amazing how disingenuous Sam is, He’s your classic left-wing media pundit The moment he’s questioned on something he said, he instantly moves the goalposts. Sam keeps going on and on about guns, bro it’s not illegal to bear arms..

he will never live down the jizzler stuff

So Kyle is an asshole for going there in order to protect property, but the people that went and damaged property are cool?

Rittenhouse was literally getting his head bashed in by a skateboard, which could be as fatal as a bullet

Holy sh*t! I can't believe Seder agreed to this.

I literally just opened KZfaq

Why is Sam ok with people burning down a city but not ok with people protecting it?

Seder was born to a Jewish family in New York City, and raised in Worcester, Massachusetts, and is the oldest of three children.[2][3] His father, J. Robert Seder, is a well-known lawyer in Worcester. Seder earned a Bachelor of Arts degree in Religious Studies from Connecticut College and enrolled at Boston University School of Law. He later dropped out to pursue a career in comedy.[

A year later, an exoneration and everything on video yet people STILL believe Rittenhouse is guilty of anything 🤦‍♂️

The second he said he didn't watch the trial I knew I wouldn't be able take anything he said seriously. What a joke.

He was assaulted, and then LIED ABOUT FEROCIOUSLY, Of course he's going to and tell his side

42:15 - Destiny lets Sam off the hook here in my opinion. Keep hammering that the issue is *dishonest framing* and demonstrate the equivalent of what Sam is saying (from hypoyhetical Tucker's mouth): "and I am fine framing Floyd's death that way because I want to discourage anybody from taking Fentanyl and going around passing fake bills." Both are dishonest framing because trials in both cases showed that the critical factors were a knee on the neck for 9 minutes in one case, and being chased by some crazies (including a man using a skateboard as a weapon) in the other. Floyd need not have died, and Rittenhouse need not have killed anyone. In each instance, it was other assholes who caused the real problems. Credit to Destiny for the comparison of Floyd vs Rittenhouse framing with "just facts," I just wish he'd hold Sam to it and see if Sam is capable of conceding a point on which he is so clearly wrong.

@31:45 That guzzler’s comment was hilarious 😂

Why is it literally perfectly reasonable for everyone else to make money off of the Kyle Rittenhouse story, but as soon as he does he's a total scumbag, when he probably doesn't have many other opportunities to make a living now.

If the races were reversed, I believe Sam would have had a different interview. And now, we know exactly how Floyd died.

The patience Destiny displays with Sam constantly interrupting him is admirable, if not frustrating

So Sam didn’t watch the trial but seems to think he has enough information to condemn Kyle?

he'll never, ever allow himself to, out loud at least, understand what Destiny is saying, because he knows its an admittance that he's just bad faith for his audience, he knows its true, Destiny knows its true, but so long as Sam never admits to anything Destiny is talking about, the lie can continue.

Sam Seder is such a tool… did he really say growing up in the CITY of Worchester MA qualified him to talk about rural areas

Sam is objectively the loser of this debate, he backed off his original position and had no substantive conversation against Destiny's points of self defense. He looks like a weasel in this conversation who doesnt care about how his coverage will be received.

"We have a disagreement on whether or not we want to promote vigilantism with guns, for people who are untrained"-

Him saying Blake was killed, and Destiny had to correct, and his says “well, he paralyzed” is exactly the problem with disconnect with the underlying facts Destiny is talking about.

The biggest part of this that was missed is that due to race fearmongering, cops were forced to not enforce the law, so the citizens had to to defend their livelihoods and everything they had worked for. I would’ve done the same

Did the dead guy not make a mistake by attacking the kid? Is the kid defending himself a mistake? Was the rioter not making a mistake or being stupid by being there to do illegal things? Who was more wrong being there? Who was being the a hole? So it's ok to try to kill a kid cos he was there to stop criminals and the criminals are ok to be there cos ...... I still don't know why. And this guy is guzzling the bucket of all these criminals cos he won't admit criminals are criminals and is crying cos his criminals got what was coming to them based on their actions..... urgh..... I don't get why people are so emotional on their opinions, opinions which they have to fact tweak to have.

The sequal to Vaushs "Just let the mob hang you", now we have Sam "Let mobs burn your town down" Seder.

Sam actually makes a fair point 32:46

I really dislike how Destiny debates. He’s always rubbing his face, condescending, and disrespectful. Mind you, I’m *specifically* referring to how he debates. BUT, he seems to have this childish tendency to state points and see how much he can get away w/, and when proved wrong, he agrees and then moves the goalpost.