Heating Systems: Hydronic vs Forced-Air vs Mini-Split

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Williams Plumbing & Heating

Williams Plumbing & Heating

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Which is a better heating system: Hydronic, Forced-Air, or Mini-Split? Quin Williams of Williams Plumbing breaks down the pros and cons of each system.
0:00 Introduction
0:26 Hydronic Systems
2:25 Forced-Air Systems
4:26 Mini-Split System
6:54 Summary
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@willplumb
@willplumb 3 жыл бұрын
What's your favorite heating system?
@albertravn
@albertravn 3 жыл бұрын
Great info and high quality video. I think I'll go with hydronic in my future bathroom project. Would be great with more info on hydronic systems, floor heating and heat sources in particular!
@willplumb
@willplumb 3 жыл бұрын
@@albertravn Hard to beat hydronic. We’ll consider making more heating videos in the near future. Stay tuned.
@cav8285
@cav8285 2 жыл бұрын
What is your opinion on high velocity air system?
@linpao1710
@linpao1710 7 ай бұрын
You forgot to mention the part of owning a pet with forced air 😂 sooo much fun watching that hair fly when the air kicks on during shedding time.
@chinhnguyen1586
@chinhnguyen1586 3 жыл бұрын
Straight to the point and very clear. Pros and cons of all systems are on point. Thanks for putting this video together. This saved me so much time on google, wikipedia, and browsing through my books.
@willplumb
@willplumb 3 жыл бұрын
Glad this helped. We're always looking for new video ideas that people will find helpful, so if there's anything else that'll save you endless internet browsing, let us know!
@srenhansen1542
@srenhansen1542 2 жыл бұрын
For professional working in the trade ( I a plumbing wholesaler) from Denmark, it's interesting to see how things are done in other countries. Forced air heating is not common in Denmark. It was used a bit in some late 70's houses. I have only seen it once live, as my cousin has in her house. Most houses in Denmark is heated with hydronic systems, by floor heating or radiators. I have a pellet stove in my house, but oil and natural gas is faced out in favour of air to water heating pumps as best retrofit solution
@YSLRD
@YSLRD 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Clearly explained great information.
@AvgDan
@AvgDan 2 жыл бұрын
A con to hydronic systems is not just humidification but also de-humidification if you're in the south, meaning you've only solved the heat issue and need another setup for cooling.
@ralphalex9
@ralphalex9 3 жыл бұрын
Really informative appreciate
@michaelsalotto7004
@michaelsalotto7004 2 жыл бұрын
A well - done concise and easy to understand tutoral on the pros and cons of heating systems. Thanks!
@davestvwatching2408
@davestvwatching2408 7 ай бұрын
The house I live in has hydronic heating with baseboards, not as fancy as in floor heating but it is quiet and fairly well distributed. Heat registers go across 3 walls in a room. There is noise in the rooms over the oil fired boiler. Big con is no AC except window units or maybe mini splits if they were installed. The house is from the 1950s and I wonder if the hydronic systems were more popular back then.
@d4mdcykey
@d4mdcykey 3 жыл бұрын
This was very-well presented, straightforward, and easy to follow. New to your channel but I must say you have a true talent for this kind of presentation, I was properly impressed.
@willplumb
@willplumb 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! 👍
@JBrodo
@JBrodo 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! We are buying our first home and I wanted to learn about the heating system a home could have.
@willplumb
@willplumb 3 жыл бұрын
Congrats on your home! Glad we could help.
@ahmedshebl895
@ahmedshebl895 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video!
@rainmaker3700
@rainmaker3700 Жыл бұрын
I would choose radiant hydronic over any other heating source, everyday of the week, love it!
@joshuastull725
@joshuastull725 3 жыл бұрын
Another pro of forced air is its compatibility to pairing with a heat pump for cooling. Forced air fits well with water to air geothermal systems and solar thermal too
@willdonovan1
@willdonovan1 3 жыл бұрын
Super helpful - thank you!
@sopdadope
@sopdadope Жыл бұрын
I used to have Forced Air w/ an oil furnace but not have a Fujitsu mini-split system and a hydronic system with cast iron radiators. Absolutely love the mini-split for A/C and heat down to around 25 degrees Fahrenheit. Any lower than that and it doesnt quite have the muscle to keep the house toasty. Thats where we let the hydronic system take over and its really the best of both worlds. I didnt miss either the noise or smell from the old oil burner.
@Kobe29261
@Kobe29261 10 ай бұрын
Wait, so I'm guessing your hydronic system is gas fired? I'm replacing an oild oil burner so this is for research. PS don't have gas in my community.
@glennreese8221
@glennreese8221 3 ай бұрын
How do you heat the hydronic system?
@RadicallyLowly
@RadicallyLowly 2 жыл бұрын
👏🏼👏🏼 Ty for Sharing ur knowledge ✅
@chwynd
@chwynd 2 жыл бұрын
Hvac is my favorite, cheap easy to maintain if it breaks its easy to find someone to fix it, good luck finding a hydronics tech around Seattle area
@jaredcord
@jaredcord 2 жыл бұрын
Very helpful
@danielpitrone-realtor
@danielpitrone-realtor 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video!
@willplumb
@willplumb 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Glad you found it helpful.
@zackm3021
@zackm3021 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, awesome video....just what I was looking for
@ericharding92
@ericharding92 2 жыл бұрын
Great informative video but you dont mention radiant baseboard heaters which I am looking in to
@beckyleung7233
@beckyleung7233 2 жыл бұрын
very good
@davestvwatching2408
@davestvwatching2408 7 ай бұрын
I like the floor mounted consoles for mini splits. More homeowner and less industrial.
@Fireball1800
@Fireball1800 3 жыл бұрын
What about the rinnai hydronic system that attaches to forced air system. I have three air handlers and using one hot water system would provide warm air using little gas. Possibly anyway. Loved the hot water systems in England and the gas bill was real low monthly.
@joe3276865536
@joe3276865536 2 жыл бұрын
Super honest. Love that. Good job.
@shadowxxe
@shadowxxe 2 жыл бұрын
in the Uk hydronic systems are standard in all homes forced air is practically unheard of. most homes will be equipped with boilers fitted within 10 years and maintenance is either covered by your landlord or by your gas company companies like SSE offer full boiler down cover also dry heat isn't really a problem in the UK because its winter and its 5C where i live but humidity is still 88%
@dge5348
@dge5348 2 жыл бұрын
I thought there is a mandate for UK homes to become CO2 neutral by 2050 or was it 2040? When you don't get really cheap green hydrogen, you are screwed! Compared to heatpumps, hydrogen boilers need somewhere between 5 to 15 times more renewable energy. Remodeling a home with a boiler to be compatible with heatpumps will be very expensive.
@AbyKaby
@AbyKaby 6 ай бұрын
It seems you didn`t mention another advantage of the hydronic systems it consumes around 150-300 watt for the heater and circulation pump, therefore it is very easy to organize a battery backup for it. In case of emergency a couple of 100 ah batteries will keep the system running for almost 24 hours.
@drstrangeloop7820
@drstrangeloop7820 2 жыл бұрын
I have a question. We are trying to figure out our best heating/cooling options for a property we have acquired. It is an old two room school that hasn’t ever been lived in and hasn’t really been used since it was a school. It is a brick structure, two layers of brick in fact so it is fairly efficient. There is NO ducting at all. Total square footage is just around 2800. Half upstairs and half as finished basement. The upstairs has 12 foot ceilings and each of the two main rooms is about 30’ x 30’. We live in southwest Michigan so it gets nice and cold but unfortunately also hot. We are leaning heavily towards the mini split system exclusively. Part of the reason we like this option is to maintain ductless in the house. Also, my dad just finished his log home in Alabama and he used a mini split system all alone and he says it is super efficient and cost effective… but Alabama and Michigan are a bit different climates. Any suggestions or considerations? Definitely appreciate it.
@monty671
@monty671 2 жыл бұрын
When you talked about Hydronic, you only cover heating. What about cooling using a chiller system?
@jammybiggs8148
@jammybiggs8148 9 ай бұрын
"Take my strong hand!!" "NO!! Give me your Other hand!!". 😆 J/K. All jokes aside you have some awesome & informative videos. Keep up the excellent work.
@knowledge.facts532
@knowledge.facts532 2 жыл бұрын
Brother Please make some detail video for that type of system and equipment required. Here people living on Indian Himalayas area are facing very problems in winter due to cold cement or ceramic tile floor and no professional to make homes on that technology.
@rodsquad2636
@rodsquad2636 2 жыл бұрын
I have been using a hardy outdoor wood burning furnace foe the last 30 years that worked great , well I am 75 now and can not handle cutting wood and taking care of the furnace, can I use another heat source of hot water tank or tankless, no gas in my area. been using a old furnace with coil in plenum and blower. any advice apricated. Thanks
@richardpacheco2545
@richardpacheco2545 3 жыл бұрын
What background music did you use? Thanks
@oscar_alatorre
@oscar_alatorre Жыл бұрын
I have a hydronic system with floor board heating. And forced air for AC. There is a boiler and a heater connected. Any recommendations to upgrade the old heater that is pushing out more psi through the unit?
@bettyboop1524
@bettyboop1524 3 жыл бұрын
I've been researching mini-splits for my shotgun style house built in 1900 in Kentucky, The cost is pretty darn high and I think the outside install isn't easy on the eyes either. The biggest question is who can I trust for a correct quote and honest installation? I could live with the ugly inside units, I actually like the floor models but the cost.
@ricknelson3607
@ricknelson3607 2 жыл бұрын
What about radiant baseboard heating? I have heard that hot water baseboard heating is faster and more efficient way of heating.
@PLATINUM2U
@PLATINUM2U 3 жыл бұрын
My 36000 btu mini split performed excellently with temps around 9 farenheit 😎👍
@boxelder9167
@boxelder9167 3 жыл бұрын
What kind did you buy. I am going to get one in the next couple weeks.
@PLATINUM2U
@PLATINUM2U 3 жыл бұрын
@@boxelder9167 MrCool😎
@bruceladen9347
@bruceladen9347 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, We live in Salt Lake City. Our house was built in 1930. Brick construction. No insulation in the outside walls. We have new windows and blown insulation it the attic. One floor ,about 2500 square feet, with a separate apartment in the back. Our heating is original radiators and new boiler. I want to upgrade to radiant pex under floor heat. I got 2 estimates. One contractor suggested mini split. I don't think it would be good for an inefficient house like ours. What's your opinion?
@markh.2899
@markh.2899 Жыл бұрын
Another Pro would be if you have solar panels and are under 100% KW usage, the all-electric mini-split system's electrical usage can be diverted to the panels- this is also a benefit of ducted HP/split system.
@skylerdylan1005
@skylerdylan1005 Жыл бұрын
A modulating furnace you don’t really hear it. And it also solves a lot of issues the uneven temps assuming your insulation is good.
@faisal-ca
@faisal-ca Жыл бұрын
How do you install a hydronic system if the house is already built? I mean, do you remove tiles first or do you look for space under the tiles and then remove the ceiling of the lower level of your house.
@johnramirez5181
@johnramirez5181 2 жыл бұрын
What's your recommended hydronic heating system with natural gas?
@Bagsn86
@Bagsn86 3 жыл бұрын
I have a oil boiler that needs replacing and currently have solar panels. Would a boiler with hybrid water tank be a good investment ? The house is 1500sq ft and I currently spend $1600 on oil a year. Looking to capitalize on free solar power to reduce monthly bills in retirement. I don’t have a water heater now
@vfz2509
@vfz2509 2 жыл бұрын
It good to sale equipment
@KomodoSound
@KomodoSound 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video, thanks! I would say the biggest potential issue for water radiant heating is that if your pump breaks you could have the water freeze which would crack your piping and concrete slab. How about radiant heating but with air going through the pipes ? Regards
@willplumb
@willplumb 3 жыл бұрын
Water freezing can be an absolute disaster if your pump fails - you're absolutely correct. For vacation homes, or if you want the peace of mind, we mix glycol antifreeze with the water -- so if the pump fails, the lines won't burst. We use Alphi-11: fernox.us/product/alphi-11-protector-25l/
@court2379
@court2379 Жыл бұрын
@@willplumb I did that in my system to give peace of mind and it caused me problems. The antifreeze is thicker and holds less energy than water does, so it heats up faster in the boiler (in my case a tankless water heater) and doesn't flow as fast. Both combined to cause flashing to steam in the WH and awful screeching noises. Working with the WH manufacturer they asked me to take the glycol out, which helped but the problem did not go away completely. I eventually figured out it was flashing and increased the system pressure to a minimum of 15psi (gets to 40ish when hot)(the manufacturer stated I needed a 15psi pump, not system pressure) and that solved the issue completely. Guessing I could put some of the glycol back in now... I wonder if a salt solution would be a better choice. Sodium Acetate would increase the thermal capacity of the fluid while providing the freeze resistance. I would have to swap to a stainless pump to do it though and it might cause corrosion problems in the zone control valves depending on what the insides are made of.
@glennreese8221
@glennreese8221 3 ай бұрын
What would be the cost to change out an oil boiler to an electric hot water tank? What is the best way to go? I want to keep the hydronic system.
@rambiboi
@rambiboi Жыл бұрын
Are ductless mini splits meant to be turned on all winter? We did the first month of winter and our electricity bill shot up at least 200%
@Inbal_Feuchtwanger
@Inbal_Feuchtwanger 5 ай бұрын
Ive been calling my heating system A hydronic heating system, but it is very different than described in this video. I have a AquaTherm VAQ series hot water heating system. Should I just be calling that a hot water heater? It isnt a boiler. It circulates water from my hot water heater to the system, which is basically some coils which are heated by the water and a fan which blows that hot air through my homes vents. Ive also read it being called a Vertical Upflow Air Handler, so maybe that is what I should be calling it? Reason I ask is my system is about 30 years old, so its at that point where I can expect it to one day stop working.
@casade2831
@casade2831 2 жыл бұрын
🙋‍♂️CAN THE HYDRONIC SYSTEM BE SECTIONAL? IS THAT HARD TO DO OR MORE EXPENSIVE? 🤗THANKS !
@travisstoycon8248
@travisstoycon8248 3 ай бұрын
How do you feel about this now
@AldoInza
@AldoInza 3 жыл бұрын
I'm considering a combination of Gas Tankless home water heater with a re-circulator pump feeding into Hyrdonic lines, and a Mini-split with an HRV. Going for an airtight IFC home, new construction. Any experience with such a setup? I was hoping the HRV could deal with a lot of the CONs on your list.
@rustyshackle917
@rustyshackle917 2 жыл бұрын
HRV or ERV with hydronic heat for the win (tight envelope with good insulation). Forced air is terrible. Mini-split is great for smaller applications if the outside temps don't drop too low.
@court2379
@court2379 Жыл бұрын
Maybe a bit late, but I put in a Takagi Jr to heat my house. The biggest issue I have is that I bought a cast iron circulation pump. Get a stainless one. The cast iron should stop rusting pretty quickly in a closed system with 02 barrier PEX, but I still get rust chunks and eventually it plugs up the screen on the water heater inlet. I then have to take it out, cover the hole with my thumb while a second person cleans it. Then repressurize the system to at least 15psi, or the water flashes the water to steam and screams. Use a 50psi or 75psi over pressure valve instead of the typical 30psi. I did a single pump to keep the electric costs down. The low setting on a three speed Grundfos seems to be fine for the two zones I currently have running (still installing other zones on a force air removal). The heater has a huge output of 200k BTUs, but I doubt I can get anywhere near that without a much larger pump and the return water is usually pretty hot anyway, which limits the input. As I add zones it will return colder and I may need to kick the pump speed up. I would like to design up a microcontroller to control the pump speed based on how many zones are currently on and the outside temperature. As the temp drops, bump the speed up, or as more zones are one, do the same. The idea being to save pumping energy.
@DebRoo11
@DebRoo11 10 ай бұрын
i was quoted for hydronic air handler with a heat pump and tankless hot water heater combo. i'm so confused lol
@fram1111
@fram1111 Жыл бұрын
How do you repair water floor heating? A leak inside the floor, a cheaper but efficient repair.
@frostman9661
@frostman9661 3 жыл бұрын
How would you feel about having a geothermal system running hydronic system, Ductless AC, all with an HRV to maintain air quality? Also, don't they have ductless that can be more hidden like up in the ceiling? (Speaking of a moderate climate with 0-40f in winter, and 80-95 in summer)
@WTank109
@WTank109 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is an late Answer But I'm Curently Running A Hydronic With a Geo and It's Some of the Best heat I've ever Had And the geo I haven't had that many issues neither
@goodnightkiwimike
@goodnightkiwimike 2 жыл бұрын
@@WTank109 Does the geo heat the water enough? or is it connected to an additional water heater?
@Magdalene777
@Magdalene777 Жыл бұрын
Another pro for mini splits or an electric hydronic system is you can run them on solar panels.
@Phl-ou6vn
@Phl-ou6vn 3 жыл бұрын
The insurance companies know there are a lot of 2nd homes here in Montana and many will not cover water based heating systems unless you live in the house or cabin year round. Be aware of this. For the best air in long winter states & provinces, a forced air system is better for overall health says government studies. In Montana you want a heating system that runs well on auto pilot, not that needs continuous maintenance.
@Drunken_Hamster
@Drunken_Hamster 3 жыл бұрын
You trust the government?
@YSLRD
@YSLRD 3 жыл бұрын
@@Drunken_Hamster lol. My first thought.
@Andrewc87563
@Andrewc87563 2 жыл бұрын
DAikin us7 split system is able to managed humidity and bring fresh air in. Not common tho.
@zsqduke
@zsqduke 3 жыл бұрын
Hydronic heat go through an extra medium which is water before eventually heating the air in the house, vs heat going from natural gas straight to air in a furnace. So how is hydronic heating more efficient?
@YSLRD
@YSLRD 3 жыл бұрын
Amateur guess: water hold a carries heat better than air.
@123xboxman
@123xboxman 3 жыл бұрын
any body know what may be wrong with a Hydronic system that seems to keep getting air locked ?
@JamMastaJew
@JamMastaJew 2 жыл бұрын
Your pipes should have a valve that allows air to escape if it becomes trapped. Yours might be broken or install incorrectly or something like that
@isaachoward8766
@isaachoward8766 2 жыл бұрын
Split all the way for me different room can have different temperature like your grandmothers room can be 25c and the grankids 19c no more rows over howl house thermostat and I beg to differ on the filtration mini splits have filters in them and I don’t think they look bad at all a radiator doesn’t look very nice and takes a lot of room on a wall and if you have mini split in your bedroom you can have off till you go to bed and use the one in your livein room
@Movie16Master
@Movie16Master Жыл бұрын
I am looking to put Hydronic in my basement. I'm trying to figure out how to best circulate the air without adding that extra energy cost.
@stackza8740
@stackza8740 3 жыл бұрын
I don't have any of these. I have a wall heating system.
@MrBill99
@MrBill99 3 жыл бұрын
Another con of hydronic is its VERY slow to heat up. Going from 55 to 72 can take many many hours.
@kajekage9410
@kajekage9410 3 жыл бұрын
Detailed but I wish baseboard electric was on here.
@chrisE815
@chrisE815 3 жыл бұрын
Cheap initial install price, comfortable (radiant) and high operating costs.
@vsbb13
@vsbb13 3 жыл бұрын
How the hell are mini splits that expensive?? Here in Brazil they start at around R$1.2k and that is about 300 USD And that is counting it installed
@RichardPeterson845
@RichardPeterson845 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely more in the United States... about 2 to 3 thousand installed for a small unit.
@ExpatTraderFX
@ExpatTraderFX 3 жыл бұрын
Cuz in America they love to over charge for everything...
@vladstad8102
@vladstad8102 3 жыл бұрын
i agree 4000 for a mini split is way overpriced unless he is talking about a high btu top of the line model with a con artist installer. i got my senville 9k btu unit for about $694, thats is with taxes and a $50 rebate. the install was about $880 for the unit and about $200 for electrical install. so altogether about $1774. i live in tulsa, ok
@SvenK-CAD
@SvenK-CAD 3 жыл бұрын
1 word' GEOTHERMAL !
@naturalhealing9970
@naturalhealing9970 3 жыл бұрын
ductless mini's cost much more to heat in cold weather areas when compared to natural gas. Most don't realize this and the sales people don't tell you. Your electric can go up dramatically. Electric is much more expensive per unit that gas. Forced air systems have huge issues. Ducts get old, dirty, leaky - they suck air from wall and ceiling cavities. The furnace will suck air from the room it is in and send that through your house. There is no way to completely clean the ducts, so it will be carrying dirty air unless everything is brand new. Buy a house that is 40 yrs old with dirty ducts - it will make residents ill. If they home has pet dander or water intrusion, you can't clean / sterlize ductwork. Don't believe anyone who tells you they can sterilize duct work. Check national duct cleaning association.
@GuyOnYouTube
@GuyOnYouTube 2 жыл бұрын
Says who? A therm of natural gas (~100k BTU heating power costs me $1) and gas furnaces average about 90% efficient. So it's about $1.11 per 100k BTU of eating. 29 KW of electricity is equivalent to 100k BTU or one therm of natural gas. BUT a heat pump multiplies the heating output over energy input depending on the outdoor temperature. With outside air temperature in the 40s, most mini splits will produce 4 BTUs of heat for every 1 input, this means you'd really only need ~7.25 kWh of electricity to produce 100k BTUs of heat. Nationwide electricity average is $0.13 per kWh or electricity, making it around $0.94 per 100k BTU (about on par with natural gas). However, that's highly skewed since that doesn't take into account the lower electricity costs during winter on average (vs peak of summer) and the fact that most heating is required overnight and most electric companies go by time of day metering and offer discounts for off-peak usage. If you heat your home outside of peak pricing (typically 4-7pm), my local electricity rates during the winter months are $0.057 / kWh during super off-peak (10pm - 8am) and $0.095 / kWh during off-peak (8am-4pm and 7pm - 10pm). That would come out to an average rate of $.075 per kWh, or about 54 cents for 100k BTUs worth of heating (about half the price of natural gas). If outside air temperatures drop much lower (at or around freezing), mini splits may lose efficiency by about a factor of 2 (requiring ~14.5 kWh of electricity to products 100k BTUs of heat) which would bring it about on par with natural gas heating. It's not ideal in very cold or below zero climates, but it's a great solution, especially considering it can provide heating and cooling needs all in one unit (resulting in lower install costs vs standalone heating and air conditioning solutions), especially if people don't have natural gas available in their area and are relying on heating oil (which costs ~3x more than natural gas).
@naturalhealing9970
@naturalhealing9970 2 жыл бұрын
@@GuyOnKZfaq Says everyone in the Midwest. A therm of gas is averaging around $.396. Much less expensive to heat using natural gas.
@dontdrinkbleach1024
@dontdrinkbleach1024 2 жыл бұрын
This is so incorrect, I would not know where to start!
@onlyscience7120
@onlyscience7120 Жыл бұрын
I will soon throw my noisy air handler to the window and buy a package heat pump.
@hectorsoso2406
@hectorsoso2406 3 жыл бұрын
Filters are cheap asf why not buy them
@PatrickKQ4HBD
@PatrickKQ4HBD 3 жыл бұрын
1. Ignorance. 2. Laziness.
@dontdrinkbleach1024
@dontdrinkbleach1024 6 ай бұрын
What a train wreck. You could not be more incorrect in the statements made here.......
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