Heaviest Burden | Jagdtiger (Sd.Kfz.186)

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In 1943, the Germans initiated a new project intended to act as a heavy infantry assault vehicle. It was to represent a combination of heavy armor and a powerful cannon, equally adept at destroying enemy strong points and defeating enemy armored vehicles. The speed, however, was seen as less important. These requirements initially sparked confusion over its precise role, resulting in an argument within the German military over whose responsibility was to develop it. If the vehicle was designated as a Sturmgeschütz (or Assault Gun), it would belong to the artillery, but if it was designated as a Panzerjäger (or Tank Destroyer), it would belong to the tank branch. This feud was finally resolved by Heinz Guderian, Chief of the Army General Staff, when he listed the vehicle as the Panzerjäger with 12.8 cm (5.04 in) Pak L/55 on Tiger II chassis, better known today as the ‘Jagdtiger’.
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@brennanleadbetter9708 3 ай бұрын

“Hans, we need a better transmission” “More armor, you say?” “Nein, better transmission” “Bigger Kannon you say?” “Goddamnit Hans”

@imreallynoob8311 3 ай бұрын

Oh....Battleship cannon ...Ja hans Ja

@dannyzero692 23 күн бұрын

The mere fact that the latest Challenger III variant with all the electronics and armor packages have reached the Jadgtiger's weight just shows you how heavy this thing was, Germany didn't even have the logistical support necessary to supply their smaller tanks with spares and gas yet they still venture on with even crazier project like the Maus.

@mattbowden4996 3 ай бұрын

When evaluating the Jagdtiger, one needs to remember the Germans were not planning on losing in 1945. Although obviously a failure, the Jadgtiger was a fairly logical development in the gun/armour arms race of the late war. We know that the Soviets were set to introduce the IS-3 and that the western allies were developing heavy assault guns like the T28 and Tortoise which they had every intention of fielding if progress into Germany had proved more difficult. The Germans would not have known the precise details of these vehicles but they must have suspected that something of their ilk was in the pipeline and likely to be fielded before 1946 came around, so the Jadgtiger makes sense as an attempt to stay ahead of the arms race. Again, there's no dispute that the vehicle was a failure - but the notion that it was a completely irrational and unnecessary development bears reconsideration.

@SuperBuildsInMC 3 ай бұрын

Even by 1944, the Germans were wholly fighting a defensive war. Making such a massive vehicle that was slow, prone to break downs, and expensive was a stupid fucking idea

@kirgan1000 3 ай бұрын

@@SuperBuildsInMC You miss what Matt is saying, the Jagtiger was built to win the war, but it failed. Its like then you take out your goalkeeper in is-hokey, then you are lousing, normally its a bad idea, but its the last effort to win.

@ottovonbismarck2443 3 ай бұрын

Very well said. And IIRC T28 and Tortoise were no winners either; IS-3 was an utter failure as well. Every participant at some point fell victim to engineering hybris.

@ottovonbismarck2443 3 ай бұрын

@@SuperBuildsInMC The thing was developed in 1943 when Germany was still fighting far away from it's borders except for the air war. Militaries are slow to adapt and that is especially true during a war, where the situation changes within months. The US Army created a whole tank destroyer branch to stop German armored assaults as witnessed in 1940. When they entered the ground war, they found themselves on the offensive and didn't need a dedicated TD force any more. Still, they produced and improved them until the end of the war and fielded them in dedicated TD battalions that barely saw action in their intended role. After Tunisia, the US Army even decided that they wanted their TDs to be towed instead of self-propelled, so they changed half their TD battalions to towed guns, which they found totally useless when they invaded Italy, so they changed again to SP guns, which they had to use as make-shift artillery so they wouldn't just sit around and do nothing. Long sentence, but it illustrates that even the best economies and democratic thinking are not quick and flexible enough to adapt in a war situation. For different and similar reasons, M10, M18 and M36 were as useless (better: without purpose) as Jagdtiger and Tiger II.

@animenut69 3 ай бұрын

Imo it's rather bizarre that americans continually bash german tanks and their faults when the us had the luxury of being safely on the other side and not having it's infrastructure bombed to bits all day every day. Bet if the jadgtiger had another year or two of development time, most of the nagging issues would be solved the same way the panther was more or less fixed by mid / late stage.

@viking4130 3 ай бұрын

When commander Otto Carius surrendered his platoon of Jadgtigers it was caught on film. The looks on the American soldiers faces was shock, terror.

@seanmckenna228 3 ай бұрын

Fuel though.......

@sonanerikov1 3 ай бұрын

"Jagdtiger, Tortoise, T95, they were known as the *big* three!"

@RedXlV 3 ай бұрын

With an emphasis on "big".

@terraflow__bryanburdo4547 3 ай бұрын

Rolling bunkers

@lastguy8613 3 ай бұрын

You forgot the Semple..

@NoName-sb9tp 3 ай бұрын

@@lastguy8613the renounced Bob Semple is in a league of its own.

@akriegguardsman Ай бұрын

Obj 268?

@FrankJmClarke 3 ай бұрын

Interesting to see the machine guns being removed on surrender, I often wondered about the lack of MG on museum pieces.

@kawaiiarchive357 3 ай бұрын

I like that it looks like a regular tank from the front. I feel like that gives them a chance of being misidentified in the heat of battle and thus they don't immediately get special attention from the enemy.

@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895 3 ай бұрын

No way, not with that size or huge explosion coming from the barrel when shot

@tekis0 3 ай бұрын

Respectfully, I think that the JagdPanther filled the same role and was much more practical. Or, alternately, how many Stug IV's, Jagdpanzer, Panthers, or Mk IV's could've been manufactured instead; all with "off the shelf" parts.

@Kalashnikov413 3 ай бұрын

producing way too much tanks would make the Germans facing another type of problem: lack of human resources

@raz562 3 ай бұрын

Jagdpanther maybe, but Pz IV’s were getting a bit long in the tooth in 1943. Furthermore they needed “super weapons” because they could not match the production output of the US/USSR

@watcherzero5256 3 ай бұрын

I think the Jagdpanzer Mk IV was good enough, all the Jagd Panthers and Tigers would have been more useful completed as tanks. And they should have just made an up gunned 88mm version to supplement it. (The Kanonenjagdpanzer demonstrated you could fit a 90mm gun on the same platform with only a minor reduction in armour).

@kobeh6185 3 ай бұрын

@@watcherzero5256 You're misled. You definitely cannot fit the 8.8cm L/71 into the Jagdpanzer 4 chassis. Probably not even the L/56, although that would be superfluous anyway. Using the kanonenjagdpanzer and its 90mm gun is not at all a good comparison. Just because it's 90mm does not mean it's similar at all in weight nor size. The metallurgy of the more modern 90mm allowed it to be lighter, but generally speaking it was overall just a lighter gun with worse performance. It was relatively low pressure, and relied on shaped charge ammunition to penetrate armor. Comparatively, the 8.8cm L/71 had massive long cartridges and a huge breech. Just because they are the same caliber doesn't really mean anything. Just the same, a tokarev pistol and a SVT-40 rifle are both 7.62mm caliber, but clearly the rifle has a much larger and more substantial system to tame its larger cartridge, higher velocity, and greater bullet mass. Furthermore, the Jagdpanzer 4 already had severe suspension wear problems with just it's own frontal armor. This was compounded with the 7.5cm L/70 and increase to 80mm frontal armor. If you take a look at the L/70 jagdpanzer 4, the first 4 road wheels are all steel because it would immediately destroy rubber lined wheels. The weight of an 8.8cm gun would make the vehicle unable to move, it would bottom out the bogeys and break them.

@watcherzero5256 3 ай бұрын

@@kobeh6185 The Rheinmetall BK 90/L40 90mm weighed 2650 pounds, the exact same as the British 20 Pdr (carried by the 28.5 ton Charioteer), the 8.8cm Kwk 42 barrel and breech had a weight of 2204 pounds while the Kwk 36 had a weight of 2932 pounds. That long barrel 7.5cm was a heavy gun.

@alanrobinson2901 3 ай бұрын

At nearly 3 times the weight of the 8.8 cm L/71, the use of that 12.8 gun was foolish. The 8.8 gun in that same vehicle would have meant better mobility, less strain on the drive train, and more ammo. The 12.8 was way overkill, and just dumb.

@lucas82 3 ай бұрын

They already had five platforms for the L/71, being the King Tiger, the Nashorn, the Elephant, the Jagdpanther and the Pak 43. Creating yet another platform for the same gun made even less sense than creating a brand new one for the 128mm gun.

@alanrobinson2901 3 ай бұрын

@@lucas82 No, it makes MORE sense. first of all, commonality of ammo, the 12.8 wasnt used much outside of Germany itself. And its cheaper and more efficient to transport the 8.8, more rounds for the same weight. On that note, the Jagdtiger could only carry 42 rounds of 12.8, it would have been able to carry far more 8.8, 86 or more. The 2 piece ammo for the 12.8 was a problem, the savings of the 8.8 meant that the 2 loaders could load faster. Along with the weight savings of the gun, less strain on the drive train, and more than enough firepower for ANY allied tank, the 8'8 L71 was a far better choice, and as stated, when the 12.8 couldnt be made fast enough, they were going to go that way.

@billballbuster7186 3 ай бұрын

What was the Jagdtiger built for, what tank did the allies have that needed a 128mm gun to kill it? Building it took a huge amount if resources that would have been better spent on 2-3 of the much more practical Jagdpanther.

@davethompson3326 3 ай бұрын

I have read a few times that the Soviets didn't even know why the Germans hadn't just stuck with Tiger I when they evaluated its successor. Good enough to take on anything it met doesn't seem to have been the mindset in the Nazi hierarchy.

@brennanleadbetter9708 3 ай бұрын

@davethompson3326 it’s almost like they wanted everything bigger.

@davethompson3326 3 ай бұрын

@@brennanleadbetter9708 Yet the Luftwaffe failing was the lack of longer range, heavier bombers.

@brennanleadbetter9708 3 ай бұрын

@davethompson3326 Hitler wanted fast, high altitude bombers. Many wanted more fighters to defend German cities. Even if they did have something like a B-17 or Lancaster, they wouldn’t have been able to do much.

@DrArku 3 ай бұрын

What guns did the allies have that the Maus was deemed necessary to develop and build? It's just megalomania. They would've stopped the soviets in their tracks if only they had practicality and efficiency in mind. In the Jagdtiger's case I kind of understand the idea. They had the Tiger 2, which was pretty much epic for its time, so let's make a tank destroyer based on it and it can kill anything that comes up in the near future. But the Maus? Or the heavy Entwicklung series? It's just like an 8-year-old came up with this stuff. "It's bigger, so it must be better."

@mchrome3366 Ай бұрын

I’ve been binging through this channel and the videos are well researched and informative. Great efforts. Thanks

@GA-br8wj 3 ай бұрын

Improving the Elephants could have been a wiser decision, probably, or just making jadgpanthers and stugs, just from my experience playing Panzercorps.

@KPW2137 3 ай бұрын

StuGs were way more effective as they were cheap, reliable and well suited for the role.

@klaus-peterborn1370 3 ай бұрын

The Elephant was build from tankparts Porsche had produced while he wrongly meand he had the production licence for the Tiger. It was only a what to do with this parts. A furter or improved production was not planed or even possible.

@kirgan1000 3 ай бұрын

@@KPW2137 The problem is that that a Stug are not sufficiently good, becuse they cant fight 10:1 and win, Jagtiger can (hypothetically) fight 10:1 and win.

@KPW2137 3 ай бұрын

Nope, in reality Jagdtiger was very expensive and still didn't get close to 10:1. Real battle conditions did not look like that. @@kirgan1000

@romaboo6218 3 ай бұрын

@@KPW2137not enough fuel or crew to mass produce mediocre vehicles

@johnlansing2902 3 ай бұрын

Weight ….. the effort necessary to move it over rivers would have caused it to be a logistical nightmare .

@WelcomeToDERPLAND 3 ай бұрын

It's almost certain that the Jagdtiger was overkill for pretty much anything on the battlefield it may have faced- the long 88mm was already far and away sufficient to kill nearly any armoured vehicle the KT may have faced and the armor profile was likewise extremely tough to break frontally. (not that that mattered if the tank broke down, ran out of gas or was shot in the side or rear) So- much like its also comically large and heavy blocky bruder- the Maus, it was probably a huge waste of resources (at least not as embarrassing to that degree I suppose) they would have been far better off just producing more KT's or Jagdpanthers (or just panthers for that matter.)

@MGB-learning 3 ай бұрын

Always a great video and presentation.

@McRocket 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video. ☮

@navajauwu6025 3 ай бұрын

Interesting video, I would love it if you could make a video about the strange vehicles that were made in El Salvador, the Marenco M114 and others. I love your content. I hope you continue with this. It is very good.

@anthonysabine823 3 ай бұрын

With better engines and transmissions, this could have been an awsome fighting vehicle

@Hornet_Legion 3 ай бұрын

When part of battle group they were very effective. Their survivability is attested to how many drove by their own power to their surrender. What made it seem they were useless is due to fuel shortages and using them as sacrificial pawns to slow down enemy forces which they did very well. However as they were sacrificial lambs once they've covered their units retreat they were abandoned They were accounted with the longest tank on tank kills of. ww2

@chrismair8161 Ай бұрын

They were not transportable by Truck or Train without putting on Travel Shoes. Thinner Tracks to allow the over 70 Ton Beastie to fit in tunnels and bridges. Even then to have this Weapon travel across 80% of the bridges under its own power in Europe would be a gamble because of its weight. They made so few of these and only once were 4 parked in an ambush location in regards to a Victory. The 128mm Pak 44 L/55 was a 4-5 miles away game changer but in set up positions which the Whermacht had few to support them.

@tasman006 3 ай бұрын

It was a faliure in the sense thier was no time to develop the Jagtiger say with a better engine. They had to go with what they got and with the armor gun race at the end of the war thats what they went for. Though I think that the resources should have been put into more Jagpanthers as they where more mobile and probably the best TD of the war.

@KPW2137 3 ай бұрын

Even a better engine wouldn't have helped much, it had plenty of issues. Basically the whole concept was a dead end.

@wanderschlosser1857 3 ай бұрын

A 900hp fuel injected Maybach engine was in development and would certainly have found its way into Tiger II and Jagdtiger. Also transmission and final drive developments weren't stopped. It's called continuous improvement, done by all countries. The thing simply was, the war situation rendered all of this pointless. It's both easy, to either dismiss German engineering to be simply poor or totally "overengineered" or to dream about "what if's" in case the Germans would have had resources and time to iron out all the design flaws creating superior weapons. The reality was a bit more complex.

@KPW2137 3 ай бұрын

Even with better engine and transmission they would still be large, problematic, with worse quality armor and definitely not available in large numbers. @@wanderschlosser1857

@PaulRaymond-tz3lm 3 ай бұрын

The Jagdtiger is my favorite tank destroyer

@The_armed_Whale 3 ай бұрын

And yet you still wrote it wrong

@PaulRaymond-tz3lm 3 ай бұрын

@@The_armed_Whale my fault

@Carl.von.Clausewitz 3 ай бұрын

Where? I speak german and its correct. @@The_armed_Whale

@alanrobinson2901 3 ай бұрын

It ISN'T a Tank.

@ThommyofThenn 3 ай бұрын

@@alanrobinson2901I agree. Not to be pedantic but it is more of a self propelled gun

@TheTyrantOfMars 3 ай бұрын

Should of focused on the Jagpanther it was really unrivalled when used correctly

@1joshjosh1 3 ай бұрын

Good video

@ocsplc 3 ай бұрын

Sir, what is the name of the camouflage pattern underneath the ambush dots? Or isn’t there one?

@Wien1938 3 ай бұрын

Interesting on the planned use of sabot shot.

@truetoffee8684 3 ай бұрын

The steel used in the late days of the war wasn't as good as earlier by the Germans, so is it possible to find out the rough basic effective armour width if for example the less effective steel was 50mm in width, would say 40mm of the higher quality steel be comparable?

@evilfingers4302 3 ай бұрын

The resources to build heavier tank destroyers would've been more useful to build more StuG IIIs and StuG IVs since both types of StuGs (especially the StuG III) have a higher success rate in knocking out Allied and Soviet tanks than any other AFVs the Germans had.

@uio890138 3 ай бұрын

As long as she had fuel/ammo, wasn't swarmed by fighter bombers, and didn't break down, she was a tough one to deal with in a defensive position. I think one of these holds the WW2 record for a tank-to-tank kill at about 2 miles.

@kiowhatta1 3 ай бұрын

The German’s already had a longer 12.8cm gun mounted on the Henschel V.K. 30.01 chassis which was to be the basis of the Tiger tank project. So, if a 30+ tonne chassis could support the 12.8 cm PaK 40 L/61, which was comparable to the Pz III/IV Geschütztwagen, then why couldn’t it be mounted on the Panther chassis? The Russians were able to mount their 122mm gun on the IS2 chassis which weighed a similar 45 tonnes - like the panther. Why on earth in 1943 the Heereswaffenamt didn’t insist on keeping the vehicle’s weight down below 50 tonnes, allowing for greater production still baffles me. The jagdpanther proved to be the best design in terms of an enclosed superstructure, as did the various sturmgeschutz which was able to mount the 10.5cm howitzer! IMO the entire Tiger program was a complete misallocation and waste of resources when, in early 1943 they should have been implementing greater standardisation. It would not have changed the outcome but certainly would have given the Panzerwaffe more tanks, less logistical hassles like spare parts, maintenance, etc.

@KRAMPUS_G60_16V 3 ай бұрын

Monster

@paoloviti6156 3 ай бұрын

Unfortunately the Jagtiger arrived far too late to make any difference because of near total lack of fuel and resources, underdeveloped transmission and pee wee engines and the factory that was producing the the 12.8 cm Pak 44/55 was taken by the Russians in East Germany. It is good to understand that the Porche suspension was cheaper to put in production but it was breaking and bending the tracks

@user-nc9pq2tb6k 3 ай бұрын

獵虎或虎二型？Haunting tiger or tiger two?

@briandstephmoore4910 3 ай бұрын

Minute in and I’m liking the cut of yer jib lol

@EddietheBastard 3 ай бұрын

1943, when Germany was in retreat is a bizarre time to start developing such a vehicle. Particularly when so little infrastructure could support the JadgTiger's monstrous weight. Testing starting in February 1944 is positively crazy too. Like Tortoise, Maus, T28, E100 and the rest it was a waste, but at least it wasted the resources of the nazi slave state rather than of the allied powers.

@daveanderson3805 3 ай бұрын

Too heavy. It would have had a problem crossing half the bridges then available. Also, for an army chronically shory of fuel the Jagd Tiger was an unaffordable proposition. The resources involved in building the thing would have been of better use being employed building more Jagd Panther's. I can see why Hitler liked it though. It was big. And that was probably the only reason it went into production

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@flag5enemyinsight397 3 ай бұрын

So you create a superweapon that you already know has a poor transmission and an underpowered engine but you plan to use it defensively where it doesn't have to move much and the first operational assignment you give to the beast is an offensive through the Ardennes forest.

@hectorgrijalva1754 3 ай бұрын

One word " beast"

@201sovereign 3 ай бұрын

WW2 version of the death star☺️👍

@josephpercente8377 3 ай бұрын

Read tigers in the mud. The author commanded a unit of these.

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@ottovonbismarck2443 3 ай бұрын

WHEN was Guderian Chief of the army general staff ??? He was general inspector of armored forces.

@dejan3077 3 ай бұрын

From July 1944 to March 1945.

@ottovonbismarck2443 3 ай бұрын

@@dejan3077 Thx man; I already looked it up; G. had a "clash of opinions" with AH in March and was sent on "vacation".

@robinsonsstudios 3 ай бұрын

It isnt necessarily bad in itself but its just unnecessary. Germany already built the jagdpanther ,easily the best vehicle in its class and it could do almost anything the jagdtiger could,while being lighter,more maneuverable and with a more rapid fire gun

@jatanieltesta7508 3 ай бұрын

Or they could have produced more stugs and hetzers. While yes the jadgpanther ( a tank destroyer variant of a a panther) was good, only 413 were ever made. Stugs were easy to built even though one factory that produced stugs was bombed , the components of the stugs were still cheap and easy to produce.

@SFCKNZSD 3 ай бұрын

Making a tank destroyer with your newest hulls is illogical in all aspects than just making a tank if they wanted tank destroyers making the Jagdpanzer iv l/70 would have been better

@jgrandson5651 3 ай бұрын

@@jatanieltesta7508 the soviets were ready to jump to the next generation of AFV, making STUGIII and Jagdpanzer38(t) obsolete in an AT role. Specially taking into account they had no trained tankcrews left alive and were recluiting kids.

@onkelnb 3 ай бұрын

Yes, this is often overlooked. It was designed as a supreme opponent to very heavy Soviet Armor where smaller Tank Hunters would be in trouble. Because of the bad situation on all fronts, many ended up in the West where they faced many problems and were often not well suited for the situation.

@jatanieltesta7508 3 ай бұрын

@@jgrandson5651 so if the stug and hetzers were outclassed by the later allied tanks, what are the alternative german tank destroyers that were easy to produce, decent armour and a powerful gun and also ease of use?

@andrewcoley6029 3 ай бұрын

Hopeless vehicle. Fascinating video. Thank you.

@alhemicaribastovani9029 3 ай бұрын

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@nikolabulajic7782 3 ай бұрын

Make a video on the new serbian prototype anti air system HARPAS mix of leopard and strela pls! and PASARS hybrd sistem love from Serbia

@gjfwang 3 ай бұрын

Speed isn’t important because they just been giving up ground since 1942.

@rtwiceorb770 3 ай бұрын

So what people fail to understand is how and why Jagtiger and Tiger 2 were designed as. Well heavier tank of allies and rred army But more importantlly is the cronic lack of fuel. Idea of a tank so strong it can carry out devastating aspect in low numbers is a reallity of Germans. U can clearlly see when these sorts were deaigned and ordered in 43 basically after they lost Fuel of caucases yeah you could say se earlier but mostlly after iz

@nimomemre6550 3 ай бұрын

The vehicle though a failure yet was not a product of some poor decision. During the ending months of WW2, Germany lacked resources and skill men to maintain a large tank fleet of Panthers or Panzer IVs. So it was rational to think of making a few but very powerful "Panzerjägers".

@jordanhys4166 3 ай бұрын

Jadgtiger had a good look but the heavy are more and gun don't not help Jadgpanther is better Stug 3and 4 is cheaper And we forgot the jadgpanzer 4

@KPW2137 3 ай бұрын

Jagdtiger was an utter crap. I remember an interview with Otto Carius and his opinion was very, VERY negative. Apart from the well known issues due to its mass and weak engine, he listed the following issues: 1. It was way too large. A tank destroyer relies heavily on ambush tactics, Jagdtiger was simply too large to remain unseen. 2. The gun was too powerful and after a short ride in terrain the crews had to readjust the gun and aim sights. Also, large ammunition meant low rate of fire and little space inside despite the huge size of the vehicle. 3. The crews that got these vehicles were not well trained, which resulted in many avoidable losses. 4. The amount of fuel it consumed was in itself quite an issue by 1945.

@paoloviti6156 3 ай бұрын

Maybe it was a crap but Otto Carius did not hesitate to shoot on long distances when out of the forest. What he was really complaining wasn't the reliability its self but as a massive target for the enemy

@KPW2137 3 ай бұрын

He was complaining about reliability as well, but these issues are very well known. Overall he considered the vehicle to be a useless crap. And to be honest - combat record kind of supports this opinion. @@paoloviti6156

@williamashbless7904 3 ай бұрын

Way too heavy and clumsy against armored vehicles. Used against static defenses it could be effective, but at what price. There were other, less complicated vehicles for that function.

@davidthomas2870 3 ай бұрын

It wouldnt have won the war if the resources and time used on the Jadgtiger were used on literally anything else but that doesnt mean it was very good idea. To expensive, slow and vulnerable to air attacks, with way WAY more firepower than would be needed to deal with most allied tanks resulting in low rate of fire and slow movement, which is exactly what you DONT want when the wall of T-34s is bearing down on one side and the wall of Shermans is bearing down on the other. Something with a smaller gun, less armor and much MUCH more speed on a lower profile would have done better but ultimately, by this time defeat of the Nazis was just a matter of time. Never enough oil, fighting on to many fronts, and with the full industrial might of the US, USSR and only having managed to maul but not eliminate the power of the UK, by this stage it was already clear an allied victory was inevitable. It was a matter of when, who got what territory when it was over, if the west and the USSR could coexist without immediately going to war, and then who would win the following peace.

@michaeldenesyk3195 3 ай бұрын

Total waste of resources.

@Superelksch 3 ай бұрын

There definetely was both merit and use to the vehicle, the reason it is seen as „bad“ today is in my opinion mainly due to the oversimplified one liners of the keyboard warriors culture, not because it actually was a bad vehicle. its trouble stemmed from the time it was deployed in, with already dramatic drops in production time and quality due to slave labour, unavailability of materials, constant air raids and insane pressure on the factories, as well as the overall shattered state of the Tank forces. with mainly grizzled veterans and hitler youths manning these tanks, fuel shortages, constant shifting of the defense lines and daily disbanding and reforming of units, it should come to little surprise that a completely new production line and stable new tank destroyer units could not be maintained, that is not a flaw of the vehicle, it is a problem the Wehrmacht had since the beginning of the war. The vehicle then also had the problems of propaganda, where it was portrait as some indestructible all saving wonder weapon to keep the morale up, leading to inflated expectations and overly optimistic deployments, the same problems were faced with the earlier Tiger and Panther units. then there was also the lack of spare parts and engines, as well as guns and ammunition, another problem that persisted through the entire war for the Wehrmacht, the vehicles, as were all tanks of the war, were simply not reliable, and while it may not be a large issue for the soviets to lose aT-34 or IS tank, due to general aviabilty of new tanks, for a vehicle that could not be recovered due to its weight, could not be repaired due to no spare parts and could not be replaced due to lack of production, this is a massive problem, it means that the only options left are either to surrender, abandon, or blow up the vehicle, all three are not great options. as i said, i think it is an impressive vehicle on paper, and under the correct circumstances surely could have been effective, the time it was deployed in and the overall situation it faced were impossible odds for such a machine. it was not a „bad“ vehicle, a useless piece of crap or some manic last ditch desperation effort as some would be knowledgable 15 year olds would tell you, it was simply a machine that was designed for an utterly different time and situation, and that was, an impressive engineering showcase aside, a great showing for nearly all the problems the Wehrmacht faced during the war. inter service rivalry, politicking, lack of resources, production capability and personell, constant bombing, the list goes on and on and you should not need me to tell you all the typical german struggles of the time.

@KPW2137 3 ай бұрын

Not really. To me, the final argument was the very negative opinion by Otto Carius who actually commanded a unit of Jagdtigers. In his words, Jagdtigers were big, impractical and absolutely awful TDs, one of the worst vehicles ever built.

@davethompson3326 3 ай бұрын

Massively resource expensive to build. Requiring high levels of maintenance. Ammo incompatible with any other vehicle. Gas guzzling. Slow. Impossible to conceal Just the thing to further hamper an army fighting on the defensive, short on everything and struggling to hold the line.

@pencilpauli9442 3 ай бұрын

Waste of time and resources.

@moblinmajorgeneral 3 ай бұрын

Germany was never going to win based on conventional designs and weapons alone. That's why they started to produce the most out of pocket vehicles and weapons people have ever seen.

@pencilpauli9442 3 ай бұрын

@@moblinmajorgeneral There is not an iota of merit in your claim. What is unconventional about the Jagdtiger? Bigger guns and heavier armour on a chassis built for a smaller tank, with an engine that struggled to cope in the first place, is folly. You don't need to be an out of pocket scientist to realise that is shitty design. The wankers were over engineering to start with, when they were not so desperate. How many of those "unconventional designs" made the slightest impact on the war?