"You are responsible for all 4 inches." Great dad advice. Thanks guys!!
@hondomclean6759 Жыл бұрын
That's what your chick says when she gets pregnant....
@HamuraiC-137 Жыл бұрын
Words to live by lol
@bigshawn9038 Жыл бұрын
That’s what she said😂
@007slikdikday Жыл бұрын
As soon as he said that I went str8 to the comment section and this was the first comment I see 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@programmerm5907 Жыл бұрын
Beat me to it lol
@nookied3735 Жыл бұрын
I'm currently rocking the 36" riser so I can shoot from the hip while operating.
@shaynelhta Жыл бұрын
Just mount a laser like me. No optic needed and you can shoot from any position!
@joseywheels Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t be shocked if that was the next thing they try to convince us to buy 🤦♂️
@dudedog884 Жыл бұрын
@@joseywheels you dweebs really do cry over the dumbest things🤦🏿♂️
@CLee-qh3er7 ай бұрын
Hell yeah. Operate on
@OEF_Vet_03315 ай бұрын
Same
@KeeepTV Жыл бұрын
I've never been more proud of being responsible for all of my 4 inches. Thank you!
@blehbleh222 Жыл бұрын
The respect that Mike has for DJ is incredible, just the way he looks at him and stays quiet means everything. I love this
@lovetopew9054 Жыл бұрын
That's because he's a stupid clown.
@iamnotacriminal Жыл бұрын
Gay
@judjudersawn2596 Жыл бұрын
Let’s just suck the cock off every little thing they do I guess
@draingang133711 ай бұрын
should have zero respect
@ejwitwavesify10 ай бұрын
😂
@unashamedly1776 Жыл бұрын
This is why ACOGs with a top mounted red dot are awesome still. You’re heads up with the red dot for close quarters engagements, but can get a cheek weld with the lower ACOG for shooting at distance
@reyvan3806 Жыл бұрын
Yeah maybe I'm showing my age but I still love that ACOG/RMR combo. It's still such an awesome choice and not ridiculously expensive.
@nebick27 Жыл бұрын
It's the ideal setup for when running a gas mask too, it's how I do it.
@Flack55 Жыл бұрын
I wish the RDS mounting holes were on the front rather than the rear of the ACOG- would make for easier passive NV (if someone chose to go against DJ and do that ;))
@EzraLopezUSPSA Жыл бұрын
@@Flack55 The TA02 model mounts the red dot in front
After like 30 years of trying things...we finally accept that the freakin A2 with an aimpoint is the cats meow. It's definitely comfortable.
@donjuan4925 Жыл бұрын
I run a 512 on top of a carry handle. People laugh at me, but that thing is truly chefs kiss 👌🏽
@joshshepherd5660 Жыл бұрын
@donjuan4925 Right! I've got one set up with a comp m2. It's probably the same for the eotch but when I shoulder the rifle, I can do so in such a way that gives me perfect stability and control while INSTANTLY having the dot in front of my eye ready to shoot with zero extra head movements.
@donjuan4925 Жыл бұрын
@@joshshepherd5660 exact same thing for me 🍻
@065Tim Жыл бұрын
It's all going in circles, we went from vertical grips to angled to none.
@donjuan4925 Жыл бұрын
@@065Tim lol that's true although I like running a emissary hand stop on a quad rail. I got me the Centurion Arms C4 rail with a fsp
@islas357 Жыл бұрын
DJ makes a good point, that yeah not having a cheek weld because you’re mount is high might not be the best for shooting, but its the best for maintaining situational awareness and being able to process information quickly. The situational awareness is what keeps you alive, not marginally better shooting.
@gansior4744 Жыл бұрын
I don't know what about you, but I can still see my peripherals and have a cheek weld
@neneplays9980 Жыл бұрын
@@gansior4744 in all fairness you're taking an advice from someone that the government used to pay him to do what he's teaching you on a daily basis in a tier 1 unit. Go with what you feel comfortable with I guess, this video is for entertainment only. I guess for a regular dude to train for CQB and apply it is a far-fetched idea
@joshuafreeman4459 Жыл бұрын
My biggest issue with this concept is, we don’t process a room and walk around looking thru our optic. So situational awareness is Arguably not really a thing inside your tube. What is a thing is, putting rounds in someone as fast and accurately as possible to end what they were doing that made you engage them, in the first place. I am not saying a cheekweld is 100% necessary. As this product is meant for a rattler or smaller PDW style gun. But i will say you will not find a lot of people shooting at 50 meters and out, with no cheekweld and the stock outside of your shoulder. The worlds top shooters definitely don’t shoot like that. Professional or tactical. Look at Kyle lamb, Defoor, pannone, even other seals
@Sapper_Rage Жыл бұрын
@@joshuafreeman4459 find what works for you. Lots of people do different things, use different accessories on their rifles, etc... don't base your identity off whatever tier 1 operator is cool today.
@joshuafreeman4459 Жыл бұрын
@@Sapper_Rage I do hope you picked up that was kind of the entire point of what I said 🤔
@jasoningersoll7315 Жыл бұрын
As a firearms instructor myself, this may be the freshest, best rifle perspective I've heard in the last 5 years easily. Well done.
@silvermediastudio Жыл бұрын
Do you instruct your students to be more upright, with their head up, when there may be rounds incoming? Sounds like some Tier 1 DEVGRU advice that we all need to share!
@jasoningersoll7315 Жыл бұрын
Our focus is on having a consistent stock weld with your face so you aren't creating parallax by shifting where your eye is in relation to the rear aperture.
@silvermediastudio Жыл бұрын
@@jasoningersoll7315 What!? That's not what TIER 1 DEVGRU guys would do.... when you're using cover and shooting, or peeking around a corner, there's NOTHING MORE TACTICAL than a HIGH mount, and having your head up and out as far as possible so you can really see what's going on, maintaining situational awareness!!!
@jasoningersoll7315 Жыл бұрын
@@silvermediastudio I'm also training LEO'S that have to use flip up iron sights. Different theater, different setup
@silvermediastudio Жыл бұрын
@@jasoningersoll7315 Good luck using flip up irons with the GBRS Hydra XD
@Pr1zzm Жыл бұрын
I love the lifelong learning attitude that most of these SF guys have. Just two humble badasses setting aside their ego to see different perspectives. Mad respect.
@TexCen Жыл бұрын
Can't thank these guys enough. Having been downrange, content like this just highlights how much higher of a level SF/SOF have been trained to. I am very thankful that these gents are willing to share their knowledge. They don't have to, they choose to. This information will benefit all those who care enough to apply it.
@goldenrakelawncare6564 Жыл бұрын
I was a regular Army guy and the most helpful guys I ever worked with were all in SOCOM. They genuinely cared about teaching.
@silvermediastudio Жыл бұрын
Sorry but these guys are full of shit. Shouldering a weapon with low sights doesn't reduce your peripheral vision. And low sights are unnatural?? Did Glover never shoot a shotgun, M1 Garand, MP5? And height-over-bore is almost meaningless when you're shooting people with a rifle even at ten feet, at worst you're going to shoot them a few inches low? Middle of the chest instead of between the nipples? Mouth & nose instead of the T-box? Wow might as well just throw your hands up and quit.
@josephbarard41725 ай бұрын
man check out DJ Shipley's Dad Don Shipley both retired NAVY SEALS,and Don calls out all these PHONY NAVY SEALS check it out!
@kinch613 Жыл бұрын
Whats old is new again. I used to be a closer to the bore for maximum efficiency of the optic in ranges. But with CQB we dont need that because we arent dialing. Love this stuff fellas. Keep it coming.
@DeltaZuluActual Жыл бұрын
Huh
@politicallyinsensitive4200 Жыл бұрын
It's almost back to where it would be if we'd have kept the carry handle. Almost like Eugene knew what the hell he was doing. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj Жыл бұрын
Eugene Stoner gave the world a rifle a century too early to be fully appreciated. The thing penetrates most rifle rated armor, is lighter than any other intermediate rifle platform, insanely cheap and fast to machine, and yet also allows for modularity so you can screw up the rifle however you see fit. lol
@CantoniaCustoms7 ай бұрын
Yet 20 inch barrels aren't making a comeback....
@ShastaBean7 ай бұрын
9:14 - but now we call them "charging handle mounts".
@ShortArmOfGod5 ай бұрын
The carry handle is at the same height as standard red dot mounts.
@ThePatriotParadox Жыл бұрын
1.93" is simply the overall height of the mount and your RDS center line. So 1.93 inches from the pic rail to the dot in your optic... Then most uppers, from center of your bore to the top of the pic rail is 1.21. (all together a RDS on a 1.93 mount will be 3.14" TOTAL HIEGHT OVER BORE)
@davesobani9565 Жыл бұрын
Everything comes back to Phi
@WDLC1911 Жыл бұрын
@@davesobani9565, Pi
@user-wn9qb5rb7h4 ай бұрын
Much respect for D.J. and his Father. Learning a lot from being able to watch and listen to these guys online. Thank you Mike and D.J. for the videos.
@mr.mikesart7111 Жыл бұрын
I was trained on the old high sights in tge 90s. But hunting practices and pressure of guides to shoot further and further git me trying to get as close to bore as possible. But this information is an eye opener for defensive situations. Thank you so much
@JohnVeritas Жыл бұрын
Forgetting the KEY feature which is lower to bore = LESS delineation at different range targets. If you bore sight to 100m the difference ½-1½ inch in height can put your shots possibly 2-3 feet below a target at 200+ meters away. We need an optic that puts the aim line of sight closer to the bore and we can use mirrors to bring the aim point higher with your eyeball.
@Wile_E._Wolf Жыл бұрын
This. I deployed with Australian SOF to Afghanistan twice and this was always our opinion when it came to the topic. Not saying I'm anywhere near the experience and level of either DJ or Mike and I'm sure that they're well aware of the principle, but if most of your engagements are at varying distances I'd much prefer my sight lower to bore. I'd imagine DEVGRU have a lot more of their focus on short distances in and around structures, but our Regiment fulfilled a rotational domestic CTU capacity with a heavy focus on CQB and we still preferred sights lower to bore. Comes down to preference I guess, works for these guys but I agree with what you're saying completely
@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. New gimmicks pop up every month, next time we'll see another ultimate solution.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj Жыл бұрын
I've always used a red dot mounted on top of a scope and what I do is zero the red dot parallel to the scope. You always know the POI will be under the red dot which is intuitive, and it ensures whatever you aim with the dot, you can drop your head and have the scope FOV on target instantly. Essentially you have the same holdover as shooting with your laser so there isn't any learning involved.
@ryan370 Жыл бұрын
That's why you don't sight it in perfect at 100yds. You sight it in so that you're impacting low. You can put an optic 1ft over bore if you really wanted. Then you sight it so that you impact 1ft low at 100yds. Then you hold 1ft higher than you normally would for ALL shots. That holds true out to any distance. You dial your elevation exactly the same as you would with a normal sight, then hold 1ft high at 800yds or 100yds and you'll be on target. Obviously holding 1ft qould be annoying, but holding an inch is no big deal
@Wile_E._Wolf Жыл бұрын
@@ryan370 your comment is confusing, that's not how sighting works... Point of impact at 100yds with a 1ft hold-over does not equal point of impact at 800yds with a 1ft hold-over. You have a rising and falling zero with any range where point of aim = point of impact, but aside from those two zeros your point of impact will fluctuate depending on your zero distance.
@THEchefdoggy Жыл бұрын
Would be cool to see a breakdown of different viable options to set the zero at for different heights.
@Donjuan51 Жыл бұрын
Google ballistic calculator and set it up yourself. It can be very enlightening
@stevef4930 Жыл бұрын
That would also have to factor barrel length and ammunition brand/grain
@tylerreis7627 Жыл бұрын
There’s this thing called google
@stevef4930 Жыл бұрын
@@tylerreis7627 really helped him out with that comment. Awesome input!
@WideAwakeHuman Жыл бұрын
@@stevef4930 that’s what I love about KZfaq comments - that spirit of helping out the community.
@jonathanlee5314 Жыл бұрын
Holy shit DJ has a phenomenal ability to explain and teach. Appreciate Mike's experience too, as always.
@karlwest2268 Жыл бұрын
Also noticed the optic at the front of the reciever vs back. Moving the red dot away from the eye allows for a wider field if vision.
@LionheartSJZ Жыл бұрын
If you go for this kind of setup you hopefully never end up in a situation where you have to get prone and fight an enemy who's shooting at you from 100+ yards away... It all depends on what kind of scenario you built your rifle for. Full co-witness or lower 1/3 co-witness to me is still the most versatile. I may loose a little bit of situational awareness but I can still blast somebody at 7 yards, but I can also take precise shots at 300 yards from prone without my head sticking out like a perfect target.
@fog8969 Жыл бұрын
That Unity Tactical FAST Riser they're running has a built-in rear iron sight to use with an A2 sight post or a Magpul flip-up front sight.
@josepauloore727811 ай бұрын
An offset aimpoint, red dot or Irons offer an easy fix. Might not be as precise compared to using your optics but still works.
@hcdtactical Жыл бұрын
Heads up also opens up your ability to move naturally. It’s definitely a game changer for both handguns and rifle.
@silvermediastudio Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it's a great idea to keep your head up and body upright when there might be rounds incoming. These guys have unlocked the cheat code.
@69mjar Жыл бұрын
I think anyone who has any kind of training with any type of red dot gets trained day one on what offset they're dealing with whatever weapons system they have. I love the explanation of situational awareness with keeping your body upright in CQB environment.
@TreeCraftbyAndrew Жыл бұрын
As someone who just got their first AR - with a red dot - I can’t say thanks enough for talking about this! 🙏🙏🙏
@spartanlukas Жыл бұрын
I love the fact that the first Unit guys to use a red dot on top of a carry handle is about the same height as the new mounts high above the bore. We've come full circle and the original Unit guys were right in the early 90s!
@HK-wq1ei Жыл бұрын
@@davidjob4909 he's talking about the Unit CAR-15s, Colt 723 etc. which had non-removable carry handle uppers.
@WeNeedChange3310 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video, Mike. DJ is a bad ass and is a very knowledgeable dude.
@rangerlineman10 ай бұрын
GBRS, you guys are some of the best training instructors along with Mike as well and field craft is awesome as well keep up the informative info! Amazing stuff
@ebitdareadthebook1535 Жыл бұрын
DJ is always dropping knowledge
@mikespectre4153 Жыл бұрын
And transferring it!
@Stormkryptonian Жыл бұрын
It's crazy how this height over bore knowledge is also talked about in military scifi books. I actually heard about this concept years ago in a military scifi book written by ex military.
@T_D_B_ Жыл бұрын
What book?
@Stormkryptonian Жыл бұрын
@@T_D_B_ I believe "Dark operator" in the galaxy's edge series. It's on kindle
@mikehancho5286 Жыл бұрын
Almost all scifi has guns with the optic way above the bore. PRetty soon there will be a fiberoptic camera 1/16" above the barrel with an optic display 3 inches or what ever above the barrel.
@Vex916T Жыл бұрын
It's probably because the military soldiers in the Secret Space Program aka Super Soldiers have been using high rise optics for decades long before they were released to regular military and the public at large.
@planetcaravan292510 ай бұрын
So you mean aliens taught this to us?
@alanhillman7247 Жыл бұрын
Every video is a masterclass in modern shooting or survival. Such clear explanation and function. Thank you!
@nebick27 Жыл бұрын
I run an acog with a top mounted red dot. I chose it ultimately for when running a gas mask as I found a traditional height sight made for impossible head angles to see through. With an increased height I can use my red dot in a similar manner where I can just pull it up and look down the sight.
@winnietheflu4633 Жыл бұрын
Gas mask shooting sucks lol
@gnobel Жыл бұрын
4:32 - "That's what she said" 😂 Mike & DJ are great !
@chrisforeman4323 Жыл бұрын
Was thinking about changing to a high rise mount. This video convinced me to complete the upgrade. I am a tall, large framed guy, and head down has always been a struggle for me. Excited that the industry is finally adopting the high mount setup.
@jackieonassis7438 Жыл бұрын
I don't know that the "industry" is doing it so much as independent accessory manufacturers are facilitating this with mounts and that is great.
@Sapper_Rage Жыл бұрын
Go with a high rise, you'll love it. I'm not too tall at 6"1 but it's so much nicer than a lower 1/3/ absolute cowitness.
@pewpewpro3309 Жыл бұрын
The GBRS dudes are just solid. Phenomenal instruction delivered with humility and professionalism.
@jb76489 Жыл бұрын
Glad to see somebody mounted mikes optic the right way round this time. Maybe DJ can help him get over his fear of dry firing too
@mikespectre4153 Жыл бұрын
"I did it on purpose to get eNgAgMeNt with the video" 🤣
@kalanipitmon7817 Жыл бұрын
Maybe at the end of all this he'll be carrying sum jacketed hollow points. Maybe.
@CoffeeFiend1 Жыл бұрын
I honestly wouldn't risk dry firing with 4 inches 😏
@EdwardSnortin Жыл бұрын
Which video was it mounted wrong on? I gotta see this lol
@jb76489 Жыл бұрын
@@EdwardSnortin kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bqmKaJV4vrizqIk.html Homeboy and his social media manager tried to play it off as being intentional
@overnightthoughts Жыл бұрын
I just love that the same guys that used to harp about cheek weld are now running towers under their sights.
@rumtumtugger Жыл бұрын
5:05 It's crazy that DJ says he's a much better shooter now, makes you wonder how vast the room for improvement is.
@posthawk1393 Жыл бұрын
"Much better" for experts is often an incremental amount for novices and intermediates. Experts and professionals are hyper sensitive to any changes, and often appreciate even the smallest improvements because that's what they're "aiming" for.
@065Tim Жыл бұрын
Well, he sells really high mounts so might have something to do with that also...
@DB-cu4hn Жыл бұрын
Still feel like a lower third is the best for a combination of situational awareness, cheek weld, and hold overs. Maybe not the best at one particular thing but the best overall.
@M3thodbombz Жыл бұрын
Give it 10 - 20 years and somehow we’ll circle back to why lower mounts are better lol. I’m not stating that they are, I’m just predicting what the industry is going to do lol
@poibbn Жыл бұрын
@@M3thodbombzso accurate. These mega high mounts are a joke, just what's tacticool right now
@BrassAngels2 ай бұрын
If Master DJ is speaking, I am beyond listening. This dude has lived a life of dreams & legends!
@chadhaire1711Ай бұрын
Sure fan boy......
@BrassAngelsАй бұрын
@@chadhaire1711 awe did u get rejected
@jacksonmarshallkramer50874 ай бұрын
The body position and presenting plates vs presenting bare upper chest is something that no one but elite CQB practitioners would even think about.
@geraldwest3428 Жыл бұрын
Excellent content! This made me think of a friends setup where he mounted his red dot on his mounted ole school carry handle giving him this similar heads up relief. Thanks man!
@Johnyrocket70 Жыл бұрын
Should of mentioned that for operator's this is good information. But for people at home without body armor, night vision, or lasers those are made to see over, they don't need a sight that high to defend their home or have fun at the range. Most people aren't going to train enough to master it. Knowing your sight over bore is important information for sure.
@HomerEscobar1 Жыл бұрын
I would argue it is more important (situational awareness) in home defense scenarios, another benefit of the unity mount height (ime) is your earpro doesn't touch the stock. I prefer to put the earpro on before running down the hall, dont know about your ears but mine are smoked and 2 rounds unsupressed inside a building with 556 will drop me.
@savedforever111 ай бұрын
100%%
@scottbenedict51445 ай бұрын
@@HomerEscobar1 so, in a home defense situation, the first thing you go for is your earpro?
@HomerEscobar15 ай бұрын
@scottbenedict5144 Nope, the first thing is boots, you can't run out to the calf barn to kill a bear or mountain lion with out shoes on your feet
@infantryman713911 ай бұрын
This is great stuff, I learned this as an infantryman in the advanced rifle marksmanship instructor course at fort drum in 2014. But that was more than half way through my infantry career. Definitely should be teaching this down to the war fighter level.
@adtemporary69 Жыл бұрын
I love how there is so much respect and raptor between you guys. Y’all’s. Ol labs are amazing.
@johnmacri7440 Жыл бұрын
DJ is awesome. You guys are great together
@Warvvolf Жыл бұрын
Thanks, glad I didn't waste money going through mounts and just went with a carry handle that can take an optic. And this information is appreciated, thanks.
@jayfig78 Жыл бұрын
Love these fundamentals! I’ve also noticed that there’s more of a stress response when you’re leaning forward verses standing straight up. And that has to factor into your technique in some ways. If not just that, I would also link it to just overall luck. I’m a firm believer that less stress equals more luck. In a gun fight, it could make the difference.
@danielgriffiths590110 ай бұрын
It's funny - in sports like basketball or football where the biomechanics are very gross, large movements, there aren't as many parallels. But, I'm a classical pianist and I find that the effect of the time-under-tension thing with fine motor skills is so similar between piano and shooting.
@AgrippaKCsGunTime Жыл бұрын
I run MP5 with original HK optic mount. I learned to love it for all the reasons you mentioned. also, makes it easier to use while wearing a gas mask.
@debbiehitt655310 ай бұрын
U run a make believe...HK MP5 run $5k plus along with a lengthy wait/background so..... I'd rather have SBR or a short CQB😅
@debbiehitt655310 ай бұрын
Looking thru inventory and cheapest is $1940 plus C2-3 stamps and...they shoot terrible but the MP7 is Superb Good Luck Bub
@jbrujones Жыл бұрын
1:55 blew my mind. forgive me but, sometimes I wonder about folks pushing tactical knowledge but that was pretty OG.
@bryanmcdermott4204 Жыл бұрын
This is extremely useful. Thank you for sharing.
@Danefrak Жыл бұрын
Oh DJ of GBRS. Just who I want to hear talk about height over bore.
@DiegoDiSanto-ci5bs Жыл бұрын
Specific tips to achieve significant improvements. Thank you Mr Shipley.
@josephtucciarone68789 ай бұрын
Thank you sir. I was going to get the low AIMS mount, but not now, for my AR-15 & TS 12 Tavor.
@jivy_league9855 Жыл бұрын
Hey your optic is on right this time
@jeremyshackleford3058 Жыл бұрын
It’s funny how when plates and armor first came out this was taught, early 2000s. Then it was wrong and we should blade off more like a fighting stance. Now we are back to this. What is old is new. What is new is old.
@andyprice4696 Жыл бұрын
Every time I listen to DJ talk, he says something I never thought about because of situations I’ve never been in. Really have picked up a lot of useful information from GBRS.
@TargetsAppear Жыл бұрын
I would rather have a lower height over bore than worrying about holds when split seconds matter.
@Esper320 Жыл бұрын
Goobers and Fed Glover crossovers are always amusing.
@diver20671 Жыл бұрын
Yet here you are...fkn muppet.
@julian-estrada Жыл бұрын
Hit the nail right on the head
@StrollaLawDefense Жыл бұрын
Non verbal communication and spatial awareness are so vital in CQB! The only folks not on the “Height over bore” philosophy are those who have never shot from it while training CQB or room clearing.
@silvermediastudio Жыл бұрын
So if you shoulder a shotgun, M1 Garand, or AK... it cuts down your spatial awareness? What about an MP5, the "ultimate" CQB weapon?
@StrollaLawDefense Жыл бұрын
@@silvermediastudio if you are doing CQB with a shotgun, M1 Garand or an AK, you got bigger problems to deal with. Lol. And I would argue that the MP5 is not the ultimate CQB weapon any longer. Remember, CQB is defined as out to 200 yards. Good luck with your MP5.
@silvermediastudio Жыл бұрын
@@StrollaLawDefense You didn't even answer the question, and then made some absurd claims about the viability of weapons that have been used in CQB since the 1940s. Definitely wouldn't want you as an attorney, can't even stay on topic let alone form a coherent, logical argument.
@StrollaLawDefense Жыл бұрын
@@silvermediastudio that’s OK, based on your triggered reply, you probably couldn’t afford my legal retainer.
@silvermediastudio Жыл бұрын
@@StrollaLawDefense Non sequitur comment 🤣 you aren't helping yourself.
@johnbicknell8512 Жыл бұрын
I always like tips from those who have been there and done that. Best training in the world .
@ltwilliamsjonathanrussell89415 ай бұрын
Hands off my bank. I'm having DJ. Uh, definitely, the more and more I. Watch and listen to him but we're more. I want to listen more
@scoutsniper762 Жыл бұрын
This has always made sense to me especially with the interceptor body armor and if you were wearing a chest rig over it which creates this dead space if you will between your shoulder and the butt stock of a M4. Placement could be off when presenting the rifle from low or high ready if the mount height on the optic is low and the body would want to naturally lean forward and the head would want to tilt down to get that sight picture and if you wearing nods and your helmet tilted forward or the harness loosened up after hours of training your nods would hit the buffer tube when going through the shoot house.
@johnviera3884 Жыл бұрын
For all you guys that mostly shoot an AR at 5-15 yards this is essential. I don’t know how we ever got by before this.
@swimssnakeyadventures91277 ай бұрын
Always love checking in and learning with tactical Doug Benson lol! Thanks for the info though guys, much to consider here.
@RAKKAR73 ай бұрын
Love this! GBRS and FIELDCRAFT are HELPFUL as F.
@tylerfecho4454 Жыл бұрын
I have long features, neck, head. Low mounts are super uncomfortable for me. Rifles with a stock that's lower than the barrel have always been more comfortable for me to shoot. Rifles with the stock inline with the barrel like the ar15 I find myself crunching into. 1.93 and up mounts help me out a lot with that issue on ar15s.
@dylankaylor842 Жыл бұрын
Same. Long neck really makes it hard even being able to see through certain optics.
@brianshaw5796 Жыл бұрын
I made the switch and very hesitant on doing so, but I'm so glad I did! If feels very natural to me and more comfortable.
@jansvoboda4293 Жыл бұрын
It's disappointing, that trade-offs are not mentioned. For example, shooting over obstacle - either one you need to raise over or you use as cover. Also I wonder how shooting prone works with a very high mount. Usually you want to balance pros and cons for several contexts unless you are seeking tool for one particular situation.
@mrtaylorhelm Жыл бұрын
Not to mention holds. I keep seeing dudes shooting over targets at 100yrds because they don't know their holds with the high mount.
@lovetopew9054 Жыл бұрын
Shhh... he's got risers to sell.
@ssarkees Жыл бұрын
A SWAT buddy of mine taught me to place the but-stock into my collarbone the same way. Took a little bit to get use to it, but now I am pretty comfortable and my isn't doesn't "bow".
@matthewconnor5483 Жыл бұрын
Threw a riser under my Eotech and it completely changes the feel of the rifle.
@gregieldanoire Жыл бұрын
After the CEO incident, I've started to notice the "gay easter eggs" that all these BRCC tough guys are constantly dropping in all their videos
@XSV15 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for confirming 4 inches is big guys. I’ll be showing this video to my wife ASAP!
@rustyshackleford5509 Жыл бұрын
I understand why height over bore is useful. If you are a gun fighter, an operator, tip of the spear, kicking doors, clearing rooms, taking fire, it makes perfect sense. For me in a home defense situation I think I will be ok with a low mount.
@lasagna3106Ай бұрын
A true operator.. "when a presentation presents itself" my man is dangerous and the one you want in your neighborhood when shit goes down
@OdysseusCentral Жыл бұрын
That you for confirming that 4 inches is a lot! But what’s the ideal zero?
@Bsquared1972 Жыл бұрын
I myself prefer the 35-yard zero (Shawn Ryan does a great vid on it), but if not that I would choose the 50/200 zero. Once my zero is set, then I practice at 10 yards to see the height over bore adjustment I need to make. (Observe point of aim/point of impact difference) Then you just remember it. One thing I haven't quit mastered is the laser zero; need to read up on that.
@415jokr Жыл бұрын
I bet Slade could explain this.
@Matt_Wilson01 Жыл бұрын
Stop it, you have no idea what went down between those guys so take your high school drama out of here ya flop
@415jokr Жыл бұрын
@@Matt_Wilson01 it was made clear that Slade designed one like this before it came out from GBRS.
@incognito140911 ай бұрын
Solid video, love it. Very well explained, rationale is spot on.
@adrianc866411 ай бұрын
9:48 - life saving for anyone who watched, including foreign adversaries.
@billydanzz Жыл бұрын
Question from a guy who's never done it.... If in a CQB situation where you would have to make a quick height over bore calculation, and the targets are already aware of your presence; why not just hit the vis laser at that point to make the shot?
@f.t.c5973 Жыл бұрын
Throw a ball at a target 10m away and tell me how long it took you to calculate your angle, you shoot as much as they do, you just know where to shoot, dj himself says the best he can explain how he does it is " just aim a little high" " how high? " " Idk just a little high, whatever feels right"
@f.t.c5973 Жыл бұрын
That analogy might not be perfect but you get the point
@wherermypants3040 Жыл бұрын
fieldcraft? isnt that the guy who mounted his optic backwards to bump his Instagram numbers?
@ironsights18094 ай бұрын
I don't know if red dots are getting higher, but I know I am. Good video. Good night.
@Ryan611212 ай бұрын
Lol
@palehorseone Жыл бұрын
Outstanding gentlemen. Eye-opening. Practical. Practicality over trendy,Gucci.
@joshmajor8662 Жыл бұрын
GBRS Group, why aren't you making an affordable riser yet!???? "Certain other companies" are ripping people off daily, I'm a machinist. You could build a 1.93-2.00 riser out of aluminum with a steel locking side for less than $10 bucks in material. Time and effort you'd be looking at $20-$30 bucks invested, charge $60-$75 and take over the market!!! Have you done this and I've only seen the night vision riser??
@brianrich7828 Жыл бұрын
You should build them and sell them.
@samgoral4 Жыл бұрын
They’re selling them to the government, once you have a government contract you can’t sell to the public for less of a price.
@DZ4295DBW Жыл бұрын
It's not the material, it's the labor and scale that's the issue. However, there are others on the market that do a similar function differently and not nearly as high. However, 99.99999999999% of people do not need it, even with NODs/ProMasks.
@beardly0121 Жыл бұрын
@@DZ4295DBW its nice when shooting with electronic ear pro. I have a unity riser and even though I don't shoot with nods or gas masks or anything I really, really like it. I'd like to try the Scalarworks 1.93 options at some point but that'll probably be on a different rifle.
@samgoral4 Жыл бұрын
@@beardly0121 I think DD is referring to the gbrs patent mount for the dot and the little ledge for your laser thing
@daryljohnson36266 ай бұрын
“why an elevated red dot is better, because I have risers that I am selling!! The proven way is now terrible! Give me your money!!!” 🤦♂️ sheisters
@aaronr794220 күн бұрын
You clearly missed everything he said. Higher mount was “old proven”, higher is better for both night vision equip and body armor. Higher is faster in transitioning between weapons. Higher is better for getting hit with rounds in the body armor instead of neck. But what would he know?
@scott2228 Жыл бұрын
2 days ago I raised my red dot from 1.64” to 1.93”. Will shoot tomorrow to see if I like it more/less. The set up is for 100% upright shooting. Time will tell.
@silvermediastudio Жыл бұрын
Great idea! Nothing like being upright with your head up when there might be rounds incoming. Perfect!!
@scott2228 Жыл бұрын
@@silvermediastudio I didn’t like it. Went back to 1.64”. Now scopes and red dots are all 1.64”.
@silvermediastudio Жыл бұрын
@@scott2228 C'mon man.. when you're using cover and shooting, or peeking around a corner, there's nothing more tactical than having your head up and out as far as possible so you can really see what's going on, maintaining situational awareness!! Just ask any Tier 1 DEVGRU guy like DJ.
@chandlerfrog091733 ай бұрын
He made so much sense. Thank you . Awesome work gents.
@tomjjackson21 Жыл бұрын
Ffs, c'mon bois... This is a perfect example of how COD, Social Media, has distorted our perception. You're not the only prior TEAM guy in chat , so my opinion isn't based in ignorance and conjecture. I swear to God it's as if 99% of those that have ran a 1.93++, have never shouldered a rifle while kneeling, prone, etc. I think it looks Gucci, and I ran it fot s few classes, but I'm incapable of justifying a 2inch + mount, for that extremely niche CQB circumstance. You're handicapping yourself in literally every feasible aspect, excluding the one, 25yrds and in, ftf, cqb contact. At that point I'd prefer a pistol. This is a fad, that only excells in a single circumstance, for the sake of comfort. It's dumb, and within 5 years this fad will die. But hey, I'd totally take advantage of the market while I can as well, but you're grimy af for pretending that this is a preferred configuration.
@julian-estrada Жыл бұрын
Damn bro. Spitting facts. Hell ya
@MrCashewkitty Жыл бұрын
Why don't any of these dudes shoot professionally. I mean you think they want to prove their concepts. Especially since ALL of the best shooters in the world are doing something quite different
@m4e1supremacy Жыл бұрын
theyre afraid that the reputation of being in sPeCiAl OpErAtIoNs or TeAmS will hold them to a higher standard, and if they can't beat some normal civilian then the internet will stop hyping their products.
@BigCityCountryBoi Жыл бұрын
Don't don't this if your fight is outdoors...period
@Kgoutdoor10 ай бұрын
I wasn’t going to put a 510c on my AK. Because of the height over bore with the rs regulate but this video changed my mind. I almost canceled my order for the optic mount. Thanks for this. I’d rather learn and understand height over bore and be able to get to my line of sight quicker.
@MrMjm4shrt Жыл бұрын
This is just another tool to try out for you and to see if it works. Good video
@scout3058 Жыл бұрын
I (a Desert Shield/Storm/Stay veteran) had an Aimpoint on my carry handle back in 2007, and the GWOT veterans were mocking me for my "stupid noob setup." But now that these guys say it's tacticool, everyone slurps all over their nads while thanking them for the awesome guidance. How about giving Larry Vickers (who did in 1989, Panama) the credit he deserves for doing it 23 years before these dudes.
@soliduss109 Жыл бұрын
DJ acknowledged Unit guys were doing it long before everyone else was and he thought it was cool.
@scout3058 Жыл бұрын
@soliduss109 Other than being in this video, I have no idea who this DJ guy is. My comment wasn't really aimed at him, rather all the sack swingers in the comments. They're all acting like this guy invented something new, and that's far from the case.
@soliduss109 Жыл бұрын
@scout3058 DJ is the son of retired Navy SEAL Don Shipley and is himself a retired Devgroup Operator. He is getting the recognition right now because he and a few other guys have been pushing to bring higher-mounted optics back. I see your point especially because people are always making silly comments about Larry Vickers but there is plenty of space for people to be recognized and to learn from them if you find their information useful
@markwurz8577 Жыл бұрын
@@scout3058 well you should get informed before running your lips dude. Dj has done nothing but give credit. Don’t be a dick dude. You’re Acting like YOU created it and you’re butthurt about it. Go cry elsewhere.
@markwurz8577 Жыл бұрын
Man you didn’t even watch the damn video before crying like a woman…he fucking gave credit in this actual video. Holy shit. Y’all bitch about nothing.
@aqualust5016 Жыл бұрын
I remember a time in the last 5-6 years when lower HOB was the thing and no one on the internet could tell you different. Look where we are now.
@ghernandez6457 Жыл бұрын
Just got me a Scalarworks 1.93 inch mount for my cheapo Slx-25 and pvs-7 300blk poor man's setup. Boy night and day I feel very confident about passive shooting now.
@jacksonmarshallkramer50874 ай бұрын
The transition from rifle to pistol and already being in position for speed is something that only those same elite CQBers would be concerned about. How much time does it really take to come up to pistol position? Enough to get killed, apparently. I'm a former deputy sheriff, and I've cleared many structures, but I never had a gunfight in a hallway or in a room I just entered. I've never actually experienced that drag race, at the Christmas Tree, MUST be off the line first or it's lights out and a couple thousandths of a second can be the margin. These guys did that over and over, every single day, and did it with the grace and smoothness of ballet, rather than an armed bull in a Chinese shop.
@Mkvine Жыл бұрын
I guess the AK not having a good cheek weld is no longer an issue. Thanks!
@yourmomsucksme6 ай бұрын
thanks mike, i had no idea you were special operations until you told us for the millionth time
@davidpurcell86 Жыл бұрын
Love the Panerai Submersible Marina Militare Carbotech he's wearing. THAT is a sick watch.
@bdh821 Жыл бұрын
From a competitive shooter perspective, I want a dot as low as possible on my rifle. To each their own…
@randallreece36368 ай бұрын
they are not talking about competitive shooting
@MSGarand4 ай бұрын
I'm no operator but it's just more comfortable to keep my head up and I can deploy my irons through the riser.
@toneydavis9802 Жыл бұрын
I am so much smarter than I was a few minutes ago. I have a few adjustments to make to my rifles and some fun new practice to look forward to. Thanks Guys.
@rebel_scum_ Жыл бұрын
Sky scraper mounts may work well for swat and SOF guys doing alot of DA and HR but for the average armed civilian the lower 3rd is still best imo.