I'm actually kinda curious if mini-nuke artillery would work too. Seems to take out everything Hellbombs do.

@@mawnkey It SHOULD, in theory.

Drop in! Drop out! Kabow!

It does ​@@mawnkey

Just tested it, 3 hellbombs didn’t destroy it

Honestly I haven't seen both SEAF artillery and gunship fabricators in the same mission.

500 kilos should work too, right?

Incorrect. My team tested it and two 380mm HE barrages, 1 orbital laser, 2 SEAF mini-nukes, and a few EAT's did NOT kill it. The piece of trash only dies to a hellbomb, and as Dough displayed for us... it usually takes more than one.

@@MikeTheIke415 I did once but then SEAF was full of EMS, napalm and smoke. No HE, not even saying about nukes...

The one I'm more interested in is the SEAF Anti-Air, I wonder if it will target the gunships.

I second that its not aim assist as well, although there are a few FPS games that emulate that very well but in those cases its more height over bore like tarkov and arma

I was ready to comment this myself. This is what's happening, not aim assist.

Definitely this, came looking for the comment as soon as he said it was aim assist haha

Came to say the same thing.

You just spelt it "retacle"... Twice.

That or they're just fans of late 90s CGI.

I believe it’s supposed to give the JJ Abrams sci fi look

It’s supposed to feel like a chopper has got its spot light on you I think. It’s intimidating.

​@@CrazyLikeUhFoxYeah it works very well in the fear department, on top of obstructing your view

Modern day police helicopters have both nightvision and thermal imaging, but still have a spotlight, it's purpose is to blind and intimidate what ever the helicopter is chasing. The lens flare is there to mimic a helicopter spotlight. It's 100% intentional design on the devs to make it harder for us to accurately hit the gunship weak points with precision weapons.

One puff and you fry, not even a dolphin dive is fast enough to prevent the first tick of damage killing you. Not helped in that the range of those things is way more than you realise given how fast those hulks chase even scout armour.

I think it's cuz they buffed all fire damage.

bugs seem like heaven now

I always got one shot by those anyways so I'm wondering now if people used to survive those before the patch. All it took was getting my feet clipped for a split second by the fire and I got insta gibbed.

@@maiy8786 Pre patch I survived those things constantly. It was the least scary hulk for me. Now I carry 110 rocket pods on every bot mission specifically to counter hulks. Assuming I'm not using the recoiless or the quasar.

They learned from all those people winning bunker destruction missions in under a minute.

Snooze fest comment

U need hellbomb

@R3GARnator ah, I didn't know that. I think I only ever used arty barrage twice, because I think it's a very boring stratagem.

What the hell is arty

They wouldn’t let that slide frfr

Easy solution, guard it With your life

@@blastmole299 Or, get this, some sort of force field that shields an area. If only we have those as "useless" stratagem.

@@D3adCl0wn I know right.... WHY THE F@#$ DOES NO ONE EVER BRING THE GOD DAME SHIELD GENERATOR?!

i had them destroy 6 hell bombs in one game.

seeing what kind of communication on discord/blogs, they (who ever keeps talking, could just be one person that sucks at pr) are pretty arrogant, so might be a pride thing they didn't want to admit they over reacted with the nerfs. being slow to fix a bug like rockets doing extra damage than intended means this could take a while if it's a bug. rip spear lock on am i right 😂

You sure as hell aren't going to be wasting your 1 shot every 15 seconds from the QC on a Devastator, whereas you can just snap a shot off with the Railgun and still kill the Hulk next to it in that same 15 seconds.

@@skaianDestiny The Autocannon and AMR can do that too. With better ammo economy, no chargeup, faster followup shots, and no risk of blowing yourself up. The Railgun's previous claim to fame wasn't against bots, that have glaring weak spots for medium pen weapons. It was against bugs. Chargers and Bile Titans actually NEEDED heavy pen to kill quickly, and the Railgun was king of it at that point. It didn't have the stationary reloads, steep ammo economy, and need for a backpack of the Recoilless/Spear. Now the Quasar Cannon fills that niche better than the pre-nerf Railgun ever did.

@@66maybe66 QC has the issue of the 5 second charge up time. This may not seem like a lot, but oftentimes those 5 seconds are all a Charger or Bile Titan needs to be on your ass and force you to abort the QC shot, let alone all the chaff bugs that could fuck your aim up before you can get the shot off. Coupled with the up to 10 second cooldown time, the QC is much poorer as a reactive weapon. In addition, the railgun was just a do everything weapon at that point, and it's very clear the devs never intended it to be anything other than an anti medium armor weapon, when it could do both medium and heavy armor very well. 20 shots and a quick reload meant you could afford to knock out Brood Commanders or Bile Spewers very easily while also handling Chargers and Bile Titans. QC on the other hand is a big waste if you shoot it at a Brood Commander or Hive Guard. This is why the QC is balanced with the other anti-heavy armor support weapons, whereas the Railgun needed to get knocked down a peg. Now does the Railgun deserve to get a few minor buffs? Maybe, I haven't taken it out because I've always been an autocannon girl. But while QC is definitely a strong weapon, it's not as strong as pre-nerf Railgun because pre-nerf Railgun was great at most everything.

​@@skaianDestinysniper and auto cannon against bots do everything the rail cannon did prepatch but better

@@petercottantail7850 Hot take, that was always the case. :P Even before the Railgun nerf I preferred the AC more.

It’s 10000000% aim assist. Funny how some people couldn’t tell 😂

@@C.u.d.s Are you just being a troll, or do you legitimately not understand?

​​@@C.u.d.s Even if it is, why do people care so much? It lowers the barrier to entry, and the game is PVE so it doesn't hurt anyone except the Try-hards that want a game to be so difficult only they can play it and bitch about tier 9 being too easy when the rest of us who have 9 to 5 jobs and are looking to have fun playing a game to relax are more than challenged enough at tier 5.

There is the circle that shows where your bullets go, AND that circle has wonky aim assist sometimes. At 7:30, you can see the issue very clearly. It is normal when the circle sways slightly while not moving, but the circle randomly snaps to the rock for no reason.

​@@koalabro6118facts

The commando has what you want (laser guided manual target). The spear will never get it because the devs made another weapon just for that gimmick.

No, try again

@OhDough ​???? its really not aim assist its just aim sway combined with the camera being disconnected from where the bullets come from

@@OhDough What is with you and just brazenly writing off people that correct you? Not the first time I've seen it in your comments sections. They're right. The weapon was pointed right at the top of the rock. It would clear it while swaying up and hit it while swaying down. In third person that gives the impression that the aim point is jumping around, but in first person it would make perfect sense.

@@OhDough Thanks for the enlightening comment Mr Egotist, maybe try accepting that you're wrong.

Kind of hard to believe he's unable to see this. With a reply like what he gave you, I'd be pissed. And I am.

So does the transport ship

Facts

didnt even think of this, so true

Indeed they do. Or supcom 2

Or hunter killers from terminator or most any other “scifi gunship”

The HMG Emplacement having sway like that makes zero damn sense. It's an _emplaced/mounted_ weapon; it should be stablized by its supporting structure. The same arguement also goes for the mech's rotary MG; a damn BMP-2 irl (which can fire 30mm shells at a rate of over 500 RPM) has a better stablizer than that thing. Hell, look at the 20mm rotary from an AC-130 as an even better comparison. The excessive "sway" on certain weapons like these are just pure nonsense.

It's literally not sway. It's a PERSPECTIVE issue. The game is in third person. The camera is both behind and above the actual HMG. The camera can see above and further than the actual barrel of the gun that is shooting. In many FPS games the bullets actually come out of the camera position not the gun (no really). In this game the bullets are fired from the position of the guns barrel not the camera. The horizontal lines are the cameras perspective and the circle is the LoS/perspective of the gun barrel. The camera simply has a higher and further perspective than the gun barrel.

Its aim assist. How do you people not realize the reticle actively looking for targets?

@@iprfenix it is absolutely this. Helldivers goes above and beyond to show the ACTUAL hit-location of every (non grenade) projectile fired with that circle. The only “assist factor” to it is telling the difference between the camera that’s 12-15 feet off the ground aim point and the gun barrel that’s being aimed and fired 10-12 feet below. Plus the handling stat and helldive running/standing/crouched/prone status.

@@C.u.d.s u cant be for real

Oddly enough, he's denying it in the comments for some reason.🤣

@@D3adCl0wn He just has an ego about the game for some reason. After the patch that adjusted heavy spawn rate to make non-AT weapons more useful, and let the EAT/Recoilless oneshot chargers, he went off about how Arrowhead were ruining the game and had no idea what the players wanted and it wouldn't actually create build diversity, just make the game less fun, and nobody likes fighting hordes, charger spam was way better. This was literally 11 hours after the patch went live. When I pointed out that he hadn't even experimented with anything new postpatch (ALL of his footage was with the railgun) before making concrete statements about the new meta, he just replied "I can't make this any clearer," and ignored me.

@@66maybe66 Yeah, not sure why he wants to sabotage his own career by being such an ass to people, but whatever.

@@TheVivi13 And he just made a new video calling everyone correcting him "pigeons", while literally just misrepresenting what we were talking about. His proof was that the red dot is misaligned, which is completely irrelevant to this whole "auto-aim" business he's wrong about.

@@66maybe66 What a character. Definitely clicking "do not recommend" if his videos pop up again lol

Ah thanks for the answer on mini-nukes. I was wondering about it in another comment.

I will add one more think that happened to me twice already - pair it with nearby automatons artillery installation nearby and you're in quite a challenge.

Is an optional objective requiring a hellbomb to destroy really that problematic? Being able to kill Shrieker nests from range is lame. It just incentivizes you to never even let the new enemy type spawn. I'm glad these are so durable that you actually have to take them out as intended. The hellbombs themselves just need to be more reliable.

@@66maybe66 well the thing is that you can't really arm the hellbomb whilst getting shot in combat, and an unarmed hellbomb just poofs when enemies shoot at it.

@@guohongli5727 Even the player-armed hellbombs poof when they got destroyed, unlike the random hellbombs you can find smoking on the map--which go off from a stray bullet.

Yep. This. The devs NEED to rethink their heavy pen system as IMO gas, fire and explosive attacks should destroy/degrade armour so the squishy bits underneath am be hit by any weapon. But currently even with “the leg meta” most enemies are functionally immune to damage on most of their armoured parts (if you can’t reload then you are basically out of AV) but they will get one spot where the AV/anti-heavy will simply delete them from the map. There’s a lack of middle ground where you can weaken a tough enemy then take it out with your other available weapons. They have likewise started to translate this into the damned sub-objectives (gunships n shrieker nests) in that LONG cool-down strats are basically useless (more useless, you can call in 2-3 precision/500kg/strikes in the time a 380/120/walking/deathray gets to miss half the things you wanted dead) and they are forcing us up close on objectives that spam enemies that are generally annoying as hell (dead shrieker corpses 1-shotting full hp and shielded helldivers, or now the lens flare gunships covered in med/heavy armour are as tough as a hulk individually and spamming rockets n Walker weapons from the air). The devs are doing a lot right but I can feel their lack of FPS experience vs their clearly well planned out and supported overall roadmap and storytelling of this first campaign.

Frankly after the Slugger nerf it's basically inevitable since the Scorcher is hands down better than the pre-nerf Slugger.

I stg if the scorcher gets nerfed ima be so mad (it prolly will be too) the crazy part is that both the pre patch slugger and the scorcher were/are balanced. Scorchers ammo economy is what keeps it balanced

It should be a semi-sniper with heavy pen. For sone reason the devs decided to lock in armour pen and armour shred/removal as a single stat. Railgun should poke a single clear hole in EVERYTHING. Gas/acid/explosive damage should rattle, break and melt the armour grade of various things away so other weapons can lay some pain instead of bounce. Instead the devs made the railgun the point n click (no backpack required) ultra efficient armour shredder then backtracked like crazy (a rail gun SHOULD be the optimal anti gunship engine weapon, or weak point deleter or Walker driver killer) while leaving only 2-3 ways to deal with heavy armour otherwise (eat, RR, the bugged to hell and back spear and later the quaso) when what we REALLY need at this point are more options, not less. the higher you go the less “fun” weapons you can bring as the only reliable AV/anti-heavy is a support weapon, everything else has way to long a cool-down or worse, it can miss AND have a 4+ minute cool-down. Area kill OTOH has many viable options Gatling/cluster/primaries/grenades/SEAF/gas/mines and more.

ye... it felt way off last patch. no idea why they'd do that.

Devs saw how much people hated the railgun nerf so now they just nerf stuff without telling people lmao

Its a bad gun and it has no QoL while using it. Yeah.. needs some love. Reducing the RPM was the last thing they should have even considered lol

I think the point was to make it more of a ranged support weapon hence the lack of a third person reticle, but then they give us no zoom so everything at the range we're supposed to be shooting at appears to be the size of a mosquito's dick. I think giving it 0-50-100 zoom might work if they insist on not having third person available.

I think it's because they want "realism" and it's not supposed to be used in 3rd person (they go on about if adding a gatling gun they would have to simulate "massive recoil" etc) I think it was just a mistake on their part, adding the tiny optics for such a weapon like that. Having a headache for aiming is counter productive lol@@mawnkey

​@@DuraheLLI was gonna by that logic the HMG encampment shouldn't have a 3rd person reticle. Then remembered it is completely stationary and not mobile hence it's capability to have minimal recoil despite the fact it and the HMG have roughly the same round size being fired

Also make sure to throw salt over your shoulders and don't walk under any ladders, I hear that helps too.

@@ZedDiDragonyou should also be making sure that the astral projections are aligning and that it’s low tides.

​@@azyrennvd4814 You all actually think that stuff works? My technique is to wear my lucky underwear and perform a tarot reading.

And make sure the village people and ancestors are on your side before aiming

Bring a goat as proper tribute.

Lol my yesterday with 4 coming at me

ridiculous

they are a major threat and wtf are you talking about with 8 hellbombs

@@Kye9842 I don't know if it was bad placement, or if it was bugged or what(It was my teammates placing them, not me). I saw them each explode though and it seriously took 8 before it blew up.

@@Lilitha11 bad placement I think. From my testing, its better to just blow it up one by one instead of placing one in the center hoping for it to kill both.

@@Reverae bad placement shouldnt be a thing for a "hellbomb"... might as well replace hellbombs with 380mm barrages since hellbombs are b*tch made

As it shouldn't. Working as intended

That's why I run the Plasma Punisher and the Auto Cannon. They complement each other so well...

it literally can't get nerfed. too much dev bias in the way

Be ran without a backpack slot. Unless you enslave a teammate to carry and reload for you.

You're talking about the right things but while it's *technically* height-over-bore, that's not really the best term for this. It's just the difference in Line of Sight intersection between the character/turret and camera.

To make it even more simple: Point of Aim vs Point of Impact. One has to acknowledge those two definitions.

I unplugged it a few days ago

Didn't seem to work. Team threw 2 at it.

they do spawn on 7, had one today

@@unlistedposting4119 I still haven't seen a strider yet at 7 but I saw a gunship factory at 5 recently, I was playing with some single digit lvl players and it wrecked us lol

Its semi-trash mob, you don’t get enough spear to be anti air

even if it locked on consistently, you would have to use all your ammo on them infinity spawning as you slowly crawled to their spawn point, the time it takes to down one, another shows up as you reload. there is nothing you can do with the spear if there is a second ship already. instant death from rockets is the icing on top. bring it for objective sniping from across the map, that's it's role whether the devs themselves know it or not.

Only Blocks damage going in (from everything), all damage can leave it.