I agree with this, and you get the JBL/360 camera/etc.

Only differences between the pro and TPE or TRDOR is suspension and the special colors that doesn’t get put on the following year for diff models. Ex. Inferno

I disagree with this. Assuming you’re in 7-8K more than an OR Premium, the resale values between the Pro and the OR Premium are largely within that delta. The ORP is arguably the best buy.

The pro depreciates too. Good luck finding one without a huge $7k mark up. Don't like sunroofs or dual zone AC. The JBL system is nice. Auto headlights are nice. At MSRP I'm sure it's a fair, but still more expensive, trim. With markups, it's definitely not worth it. The ORP is IMO the best value. 8k less MSRP no mark ups

@@Zenergistgot mine MSRP and shopped 4 dealerships and none of them had mark ups. Most markups I’ve seen are in places you’d expect them,ie CA and CO

How much did you pay?

@@OscarRamos-ql4io Just what the sticker said no market rate adjustment. It was around 55

Agreed, often folks say they save $8-10k going with the ORP, but there are some features the PRO has that they leave out-like upgraded audio system, dual auto climate control, auto on/off headlights, and home link. Additionally, with the PRO one would also save on time and labor costs having to install the mods (which is expensive here in NA). I think the value proposition between ORP and TRD Pro is a lot closer than folks make it out to be. To me ORP seems ideal for modders and those who don't use it as a daily driver, while TRD Pro suits non-modders who use it daily. Coming from a 2015 Lexus RX350, I didn't want to sacrifice those few amenities that the TRD Pro provides.

TRD pro is nice, lots of positives. But Toyota and Fox don't sell rebuild kits for the suspension. So that means you have to buy another set of shocks or wait to get the suspension back from Fox. Sending the Fox suspension to Fox takes weeks. Also any competent shop can add new suspension to a 4runner, you don't need to worry about it not being done properly. Just make sure you do your research and pick the best suspension for you. The Fox TRD pro susoension is good, but with no rebuild kit available, also overall quality is decent but you can better for the money spent.

Everything you said is why I bought the Limited.

That’s awesome!

Keep it forever!😎

When you sell it nobody will give you much extra money for your upgrades, that money is gone.....a pro will hold value better...and nobody cares about " oh, this is better than pro"

What do you mean by "low end trims like the SR5 and TRD Off Road are broken"? Thanks

@@oaouda if you can get a TRD PRO at MSRP, you’re talking about a relatively small gap in $$ for the huge difference in trim levels that a PRO provides.

That seems like a smart choice for your situation and I understand it. My family is expanding and it’s still a good size vehicle until you get 3 kids

Nice! That’s for sure best value

Get this. I have a friend that just sold their 1998 Limited for 10k

That’s awesome! Small world I guess

I got $40K for the trade in, in the Rhode Island market for the Venture. 2020 Venture 22000 miles

Personally I have not heard of many reliability issues with them. I do know they are easy to repair or even remove if you want to in the future

Which badging specifically? The unique Toyota grille is super easy to replace in the aftermarket. The letters that say TRD pro on the side of the vehicle, I’ve never seen that modification yet but I’m sure you can

@@thesilveremir the Toyota grille. I just prefer that spelled out over the generic logo on the front. Thanks for the info and the in-depth series!

Why would you put the trd pro logo on something that is not???

@@johnwebb2232 not the TRD Pro logo - couldn't care less about that. I mean just the "Toyota" logo spelled out instead of the Toyota logo itself on the front grill.

from SR5/TRD Off Road etc, its a very easy DIY to change front grille from Toyota Emblem to TOYOTA letters grille. From Limited though it's a tougher project but there are many videos of folks that's also done it

Miata only has 3 Trim types. Count me in!

I don't think the limited has kdss. Just the trd off-road,not even the pro has kdss.

I have decided to wait for the new set up. The new 4Runner will probably come with the 2.4 L turbo and 8 speed transmission, which is much more economic and has a little more power. Toyota is betting their reliability moat in this engine, personally I don’t think they would wish to rock the boat and have Korean companies take over market share unless they were sure of the set up doing well. I want to be able to drive it in slushy and wet terrain so to me AWD all the time is important, and the new Land Cruiser base price is comparable to the all time 4WD, so again I don’t see a compelling reason for buying current gen 4Runner.

KDSS is useless

Without a doubt. That’s the one I have

Financially you are very correct in my opinion

@@thesilveremir Seriously. an off-road is the same engine, same transmission and same manual transfer case. All the add-ons like -moonroof, don't use, and it will eventually leak. - Fox suspension, cool but not vital. Special exhaust, also cool but not important. -"leather TRD" seats, even though I like cloth better anyway. -Rims, color match front and rear bumper, tires, Pro floormats, etc, etc, all small and unimportant details. As f right now, it will hold it's value slightly better than other trims just because it's a TRD Pro.

@@Doomzdayxx what you are saying is what inspired me to make these videos. I know someone that bought the TRD off road and they don’t know what a locking rear differential is.

@@thesilveremir I'm glad you made it to, it gives people something to think about. Though I did know this before buying my 4runner, I do feel like I should have settled for something that Id like just as much but pay over $10K less for. I'm not poor, I work hard, but I'm not wealthy either. Hopefully that person you know intends to take it off-road at least once in a while and grows to appreciate the 4WD system and rear lockers. Anyway, thanks for making the videos!

Also, I just got a 2017 4Runner TRD Pro with 11,300 miles, all taxes and dealer fees, etc through Carmax.. out the door final price.. $52,500. Imaculate, white, no paint chips, no work done on it.

Completely agree, all the digital nanny features are awful. I have a 2016 and I don’t know if we will ever get rid of it, even if we end up getting a new SUV the 4Runner will live on

@@thesilveremir 2022s and 2023s are going to $35k-$38k, because noone wants them. But this 2017 went for $52k out the door. Of course I keep hearing "you're paying too much!", yet, i'm getting a much better vehicle with fewer unnecessary, garbage features with only 11,300 miles and no recalls or issues. I will likely never sell this thing. They're basically begging me to buy a newer model. I just don't want it. Short story.. Mercedes has the emergency braking, etc all the nanny features, and i'm a professional driver. I escort millionaires and billionaires around. We nearly got rear-ended twice now due to the sensors picking up oil and spots in the road, thinking it was debris/hazard, and slammed on the brakes with someone following close behind us. Completed takes over steering, braking, and all functions. The cars behind you likely don't have those features and will cause you to get violently rear-ended. Not only is it not safe, it's no effective, and it cannot make important decisions that humans can make. We've gotten by fine for 100+ years, we don't need it. Just more wasted money and lack of control.

@@StraitD2 thanks for that input didn’t know about how the emergency breaking does stuff like that. I’ll keep that in mind when buying my next vehicle. I’ll probably end up going used just to avoid it

@@thesilveremir Just two weeks ago, I found out I have to take my Principle's high end Mercedes in for a recall that just surfaced for this software that tracks potential hazards in the road and obstacle avoidance for this exact issue. About a month ago, the car picked up a dark spot in the road doing 50 mph, thought it was a hazard, and it slammed on brakes and swerved. Took over all controls and braking. It stopped so violently, it locked up both of our seatbelts and nearly caused the client to have a heart attack. A service pickup behind us locked up his brakes and had to swerve the opposite direction we did to avoid rear-ending us, all because the software "thought" we were going to hit a small object in the road. I knew it was just s blemish in the road and it was fine. It's done this a dozen times in the past 1 year. Now, it almost gives you anxiety driving the damn thing. Not worth the $137,000 price.