So soll es immer sein! Allerdings sollte einem schon bewußt sein, was einen erwartet, wenn Stelvio oder Gavia im Roadbook stehen! Da braucht man mit fahrenden Einbauküchen oder Aufsitztraktoren nicht antreten - es sei denn man kennst sein Gerät in jeder Lebenslage genau! Zum Posen oder für die persönliche Bucketlist sind diese beiden Pässe absolut ungeeignet!

Blackie that day was about 350 kilometers ride with rv tourists and buses in stelvio pass it take a toll on you thank you for watching the video

Passo Stelvio is the worst of the worst. Just take the Umbrail pass next to it. It’s empty and the quality of the road is superb.

@@bmw-sepp8722 Try Gavia and you'll love Stelvio. I did both crashless with my old ZXR750, but I will never forget. Perhaps now I'm too old to do it again...

Indeed. Stelvio is raved about quite a lot and it does deserve the reputation. But it is rarely mentioned how tight and funky angled these tight hairpins can be. Especially if there is traffic. It's not for the inexperienced. Starting off with some other passes and practicing by taking the tightest lines through those should make one better prepared. Those who routinely cut corners, always use both lanes when starting and finishing can be taken by surprise here. And this can still happen with experienced riders, too.

No, no and no. Complete Bullshit. Something so stupid can't happen to me. Totally impossible. It only happens to the worst drivers. 🤣🤣🤣

desmo Ducati in più si vede anche che L asfalto fa schifo a causa di lavori sulla strada quindi cadere ci sta , ma ormai i professori ci sono sempre .

Loro non sbagliano mai ! Se la giornata è storta cadono dal divano 😅

certo, come se la bici fosse più facile. in montagna con quelle pendenze, tanti km e tante curve, e soprattutto posizione per nulla comodo e copertoni stretti, è altrettanto probabile cadere. comunque nel 2° caso il tipo è caduto perché con quel peso non puoi piegare senza sbilanciarti. viaggiando così, io non farei mai tutti quei tornanti!

@@miliziametallica chi critica e sfotte non è un vero centauro..

@@D4rkSouL85 Verissimo, magari hanno la moto solo per fare i fighi in paese.

I've been in that route. It's very very narrow. Not easy with big heavy bikes.

yeah, ...single track truck 😂🤦‍♂️

sorry but not good enough at driving a motorcycle?!

@@Klappstuhlmaster everyone can make mistakes. Those corners are tight if you're not used to them. Take them to sharp and slow with that much weight and you can easily stall and drop the bike.

Just a question of practice I traveled this year the first time through the alps with my street triple r + 2 side bags, tank bag & girlfriend and had 0 drops because I watched KZfaq videos before how to drive these tight corners. Btw. 2. Year of motorcycling

You just can't. 😅 Biker forever

That's the right comment. Can happen to anybody. I'm a rather skilled rider. I climbed so many passes all over Europe that I lost counting. Never dropped my bike. Got myself a BMW K1600 GTL in 2015, you can't get much heavier than that. Never had an issue on mountain roads, even tricky ones, but dropped the bike 3 times on idle. Shit happens, it's as simple as that. Taking bends on mountain roads is basically a question of confidence. The slightest hesitation and you're done...

Exactly, add to this being tired after riding 5 days in a row under all types of weather conditions and then we will see who are the real heroes! :D

Harley riders 👎

@Stijn Spijker Hey thank you for advice. I just want enough money for equipment and i want new bike to buy but nothing too much expencive.

But also one of the more difficult ones ;)

Probably because they temporarily lost their mind a little bit That tend to happen after someone dropped the bike They became too nervous and forgot about what they should do

It's a cry for help! Help Driver HD should be clear!

Orange & white "does not a Harley jacket make"!...look again.

The fuckin Judas.

HOW ABOUT A VERSYS 650. WOULD YOU GO FOR THAT AS WELL.

I consider the Stelvio as part of the Motorcycle heaven.:)

Anyone who truly finds them "a nightmare" should not be riding them. As |I see it, the skill level of the first rider has to be questioned, and the second rider thinks riding a bike laden like a pack-horse is a wise thing to do on hairpin bends that are on 45 degree slopes. All the gear, no idea...

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Ma quando mai???? Ormai sono 1 su 20 quelli che si fermano ad aiutare. Lavoro allo Stelvio da anni e ne ho viste di moto a terra con decine di altre passare guardando. La razza dei motociclisti è ormai estinta. Ci sono ormai solo possessori di moto.

@@rambaldomelandri9011 ci credo 👍👍

With my BMW K1600 GTL, I would have to lift quite a few stones in the gym to get that far. :-D Mind you, I climbed that side of the Stelvio with that bike in freezing cold weather and rain almost transforming into snow, I have to admit I was lucky to reach the top without any scratches. The bends are not only tight, they are also very steep in the Stelvio (if you stall, you're dead, with any bike frankly). And the trafic, even in bad weather, is always mind-blowing. I did it once for the record, but didn't particularly enjoy it... not because of the weather in my case, but due to the trafic. There's always something or someone getting stuck along the pass, so damn annoying. The "Route des Grandes Alpes" is so more fun...

@@guitounours I just recently rode the Stelvio with a friend of mine and it was beautiful. There was very little traffic (well maybe because of corona).

It's a bit more nuanced than that. The first bike wasn't all that heavy, but the angle made it hard. The second bike was heavy, but if they hadn't helped him he would have taken off his cases and sorted it out himself. Exhaustion also matters a lot, I don't know what state the riders were in. Neither of these people were in big trouble, this was just a much faster and nicer solution.

Di solito questo tipo di cadute avviene per il contrario, ti spaventi, blocchi la moto con i freni oppure si spegne il motore e cadi.

yes

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like a UK thing. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦

No, it’s an Italian thing as it’s in Italy.

i did the conversion (the dakar kit) because i off road a lot , in the highway not so good at 110 kilometer you are ok above that good luck :) , its a one cylinder engine so don't expect much on highway. i did the conversion back in 2017 before the 790 R. if i buy a motorcycle now i would choose 790r two cylinder engine fuel tank low , quick shifter, cruise control& more power. hope this helps . but in the end it depends what you want to do !!!

@@690adv2 790r is good in theory, in reality the clutch isn't suited for offroad abuse(very small diameter.. smaller than the 300 EXC bikes) and the 1st gear is very very tall.. a bad combo. oh and it has no low end power for tractoring up hills, you have to keep it above 4k so that adds to the clutch abuse. if you regear it then 6th becomes too low for highway use. Thanks for the suggestion though. i don't mind singles on the highway, hell i was riding a himalayan on the highway until recently and it did okay at 120. low vibes, etc. and yeah, i only ask because I like offroading too but the idea of a 450lb bike offroad is a bit much, add baggage on that and it becomes over 500 easily.

Glad it's not just me. WTF was he thinking riding that pass with a bike akin to a pack-horse? All the gear, no idea.

ktm basel swiss

@ekim andersom It wasn't a sentence it was a statement it didn't contain verbs, comers can be hard to place correctly in the English language even for professionals if the field, has time as passed and we all get used to text messages and abbreviations the written English as changed to a later form, that's why sometimes we just produce lists not proper sentences, end result is usually the same, I stand by by statement if you have dinky little legs keep off the pass. All the best stay safe in these dark times.

Arabic

ماعندي غير حلالك

@@690adv2 الله يسعدك مشكور ما قصرت 😊

lucky you , how is traviling with covid these days is it normal or bad as media says!!!!

اي نعم حياك الله وشكرا لمرورك

Perché, è vietato?

Under construction it seems, gravel/sand everywhere

Mensch zu klein

Können zu wenig

Legs to short....to much heavy things in top case

It’s stelvio pass in Italy very steep you can’t use the technique you’re talking about.

your bike probably never goes beyond 45° because of foot rests etc., and that's why you can lift it.

C'est vrai, c'est n'imp !

Ca change rien.

Ça préserve le neiman à la marge. Je ne vois que cette explication. Mais dans les faits c'est du kif-kif. Y'a ceux qui tournent la clé et ceux qui appuient sur le bouton.

Jean Jacques finally a person knows what he is talking about. I thought i post my video for people to watch and maybe enjoy or learn. Now I’m not sure if its woth the hassles:)

690 adv Keep up the good work with the videos, if you receive abusive comments block them, ultimately turn off comments. It’s very disappointing to hear of your negative experiences, it’s an awful lot of work to produce these videos for sharing your love of motorcycling. Don’t let the buggers get you down.

690 KTM’s enduro R 2016

ca 300 kg mit Gepäck !! aber Hallo

girl

Sono allo Stelvio ogni giorno per 4 mesi all'anno da 5 anni e ti assicuro che ho visto a terra ogni genere di moto, dallo scooter alla sportiva, dal custom all'enduro. Il vero problema è che si vede un motociclista su 20 fermarsi ed aiutare, in pochi hanno voglia di "sacrificare" un minuto della propria vacanza per aiutare gli altri. La razza dei motociclisti è ormai estinta, sono tutti possessori di moto.