So did those people just come back to life from those "countless genocides" or are you taking something that has been disproven as fact? because the population charts for the ussr and communist China shot up not down

Private property just means Privately owned company property what you are confusing it with is personal property

The reference was that marx was pen pals with lincon

16:55 that's not capitalism it's a capitalist doing charity

I don't have beef with you it's just that, I hear all of that so often that when ever someone says it, I get agitated

I will accept this time! Only because this was a great ERB self made beat.

Sorry about the hit Karl is crazy 😂 ~_~

@ERB Is this a new season?

10:46 He’s calling Ford out as a teetotaler. “Your Model-T total” is a better bar than it’ll be given credit for, assuming my inference about which side of politics he was on is correct. Given ERB’s distinct lack of incorrectness with their bars, I assume that the T-total is an intentional triple. 1: Model T. 2: Cars get “totaled.” 3: Teetotal. Solid triple with a weak finish, unless we’re missing an extra layer on “lack of style.”

See that's what I thought too bc I was like "What could the connection be there? Oh bc state as a a verb means 'to say' so he's saying Marx talks too much"

In truth, it is a triple entendre, 1. Telling him to talk less. 2. Karl Marx was banned from several countries, and therefore was not allowed within their states. 3. In his writing Marx wrote about how a communist society would be a stateless society.

@@azurerogue3633 This is a common misphrasing of Marx, Marx never actually says what a communist society would look like governmentally, just that there will be a dictatorship of the proletariat during the intermediary phase. It's more of an entendre towards other socialist/communist beliefs at the time, like Bukharin reading of Marx or Kropotkin.

ford lines was funny, while marx was truly brutal

The funny thing is some of Ford's line are used by pro-capitalist/anti-socialists that have been taught capitalism = freedom and money, socialism = commie and everyone poor, and commie = whatever Stalin did.

Ford could only go after his looks and personal attacks cause he (like many Americans) didn't really understand what his(Marx) books were about. Marx made a fantastic rebuttal to the claim about being funded by a "capitalist". Although I don't know if I'd actually call Engels a real capitalist since he was as mentioned a huge supporter of Marx's visions.

I like fords blows about how communism doesn’t work and how Marx is a hypocrite

also marx flowed like a motherfucker

@@elbradoswhile ford was also being hypocritical

@@elbrados Marx literally has a rebuttal in the ERB for the first point you made: "You didn't read shit". It's funny how people just repeat talking points without reading anything at all.

@@pashico7082 I have read history and the point still stands

found on road dead is also a jab that ford cars suck which they do

I knew this battle was coming out for a bit. So, I was able to prepare and let me change that link whoops.

Not really any chance to dunk on communism is good

​@@elbradoswhen did this dunk on communism

@@elbradoslook i despise communism but I have to say Marx dunked on the Nazi man

@@mrhouse2208facts

No. Why would I be?

partially true

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Things are as they always have been: Marx destroying a capitalist.

all Ford could do is say 100 gorillion dead and insult Marx for being poor.

It's been fixed!

Not really, because exploitation is inherently baked into capitalism in a way its not for communism.

Yeah, both sides don't believe the failed versions of their ideologies are the real forms of their ideologies that they idealize. All ideas are hard to actualize, especially political ideas. Personally, I think marx has a better response to this, because the difference between "communism" the goal of a stateless society, and "socialism" the ideology and transition period trying to get to communism is inherently baked into it. Capitalism isn't an ideology written about and then actualized, it was something developed over time mostly by coincidence and necessity that writers later tried to interpret through writing. Marx had the ability to lay out exactly what his ideology should be like, so there's a lot of ways to justify calling failures of it "not real communism."

If Marx saw that line he would probably have immediately wrote an entire essay on why he hates it, and why only a naive “utopian socialist” or “idealist” would say such a thing.

The response to this would be: Capitalist is a system which promotes individualism, exploitation, and greed. It is a system wherein there is always someone on top, which therefore is a system of power and control, which therefore is a system where a fact.

Communism is a system where the individual is seen as an equal. It strives for the disassembilation of social classes. Capitalism is a system that makes everyone a competitor to each other. The individual is to strive for more control over the system by themselves. Capitalism is a stepping stone to achieve true communism, if humankind were efficient enough to achieve such as a collective. However, humankind's greed corrupted any form of communism that was attempted to be established. Communism is a utopia, a paradise that is far away. Capitalism, which is the system that promotes human greed, promotes human competition, is the only system that we'll be able to achieve efficiently in the foreseeable future. I doubt it that we'll be able to see the perfection of a societal structure, which is no direct authoritan structure at all, but made by the collective humankind. Marx was a dreamer who tried planting his seed. However, that plant was taken and crossed with many other plants, creating a mixture of many traits. I am sure that you all know about the rules of inheritance. Let's say that the mindset of communism is spread across the world. But the mindset is mixed with other traits and other ideologies. Certain groups create their own ideology and call it communism, socialism... but they truly miss the original point. If we were to establish communism in its originally intended form, every human with their own ideology would need to accept the mindset. It is basically impossible to achieve that. With so many traits that were inherited, it is impossible to achieve the original state within everyone. Communism is stateless, stateless in theory, and stateless in practice. It is a dream, unable to be realized because it is outside of human nature. Capitalism is the most perfect form of construct that we are able to establish with our current capabilities. Marx himself described it as a stepping stone towards communism that would be trashed as soon as it outlived its purpose. But, likely to his knowledge, capitalism burns itself into the human structure and is almost impossible to get rid of. Because when you're well of within a capitalist society, you hold all the power. The ones that suffer through the system are unable to fight back against that if they won't connect. And we can see how well that works.

sometimes, but not here since hes actually analyzing and adding to it, also erb allow people to react.

​@@NoOne-wz2htERB strongly encourages reacting. It kinda forms a symbiotic relationship since the quality of the rap battle themselves gone up with more people to appreciate it.