Name the company, name the CFO. If you don't, this Muppet will move onto another company, and carry on as if nothing has happened. Also name and shame the HR personnel who were complicit with the whole scenario. Make it extremely hard for them to start looking and applying anywhere else spreading their toxicity.

I used to work at a place where HR was helping my boss steal money. The coverup was intense. I chose to quit rather than blow the whistle because they had experience with ruining the lives of people who tried to speak up. They always say HR isn't your friend, but sometimes they're also your worst nightmare.

Repeat after me: HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND.

Really inspiring to see an employee do the right thing and stand up to horrible behaviour like this. Good on her!

Love this lady. She is the best. Wish her success in any direction she chooses.

This woman is a hero!

She should take that information, plus the info of the cover up above the executive director and go to the government funding and oversight agency…

Ooooh I went through almost the exact same thing. My advice with dealing with an organisational psychopath is they they often have other secrets/vices. Someone THAT toxic is almost always up to no good, like stealing from the company, taking kickbacks, corruption, domestic abuse, stalking, etc. DO NOT directly confront these people or let them know you are watching, but discreetly observe and document everything. (Especially your interactions with them). Most companies or government entities don't care about how employees are treated, but they DO care about bad publicity. Gather the "receipts" (actionable evidence of malfeasance/theft/etc) then pass the information on to the relevant law enforcement and/or government auditing/investigation body. DO NOT let anyone else at work know you are doing any of this, because these sorts of people are extremely vindictive...and very dangerous. I'm so happy the caller has moved on to a better job.

1:31 More proof most HR departments are there to protect the business not the staff.

"All the Tisms."

Most government entities have processes that allow one to resign in lieu of being fired. It requires a lot of negotiation between the unions, HR and Legal, and one of the rights you give up is the ability to get rehired at another state agency. Sadly it's a system ripe for abuse, because you can literally negotiate your firing for any crime (and i mean any crime) into a resignation, often with pay in the process.

Basically ALL the "isums"..

Sounds like the Executive Officer was doing something dodgy too so the CFO had something him.

That internal "audit" was to give them plausible deniability!

Sound like my career at the UK Post Office, very much the same story, the management, HR and the union all looking after each other in each other pockets.

Eeegads! That is such a toxic environment! And she did 10 freaking years in that job!?!? Actually, I can kind of understand. It can be hard to make a change without just walking out on the job without preparing and lining up a new job, because the toxicity hit overload. And I absolutely understand how she worried if her new boss was going to use her goals against her. It's hard to trust again after that sort of working environment. Good on her, though, for acting on the situation once she had the evidence to prove it. The peeps at the top should have rewarded her for it, but that would cut into the dividends and bonuses, wouldn't it?

We should always know the company.

HR is not there to help employees. Ben seems to think this is the case.

Well done that lady.

As someone who works in HR (or People and Capability as it's more often known here in New Zealand) I'm shocked to hear that that HR team was complicit in what that CFO was doing. Our team works for the organisation (an NGO), yes, but we try to be very focused on supporting the employees. That is what any HR team has to balance, I think, and if you're doing a good job it helps to produce a result (i.e. people feeling valued, lower turnover etc). Thankfully, the majority of the time, even our CEO has to concede that maybe he can't do X, Y or Z, once I point out to him that it would actually be against the law (or be legally gray anyway). There are times when employees are actually in the wrong that yes, we focus on 'working for the organisation', but when the situation is a screwup by a manager etc, we do our best to show the employee that they are supported, without completely throwing the manager under the bus. Restorative practices and all that. I just can't understand an HR team that completely forgoes confidentality like the one described in this interview though! That's a core tenet of the industry...

I worked for the IT department of a large UK government agency. My boss set himself on the finance system as an official supplier and would make all major IT purchases on his personal credit card that had a cashback facility. As a large agency we would purchase 10s if not 100s of thousands of pounds worth of equipment, so he must have made an absolute fortune with the cashback and at the end of the 30 days' invoice period he would get paid and simply pay off his credit card. I tried to raise this but nothing was done. Consequently, I was passed over for promotion and was eventually drummed out of the agency. I've worked for the private sector ever since and have not looked back.

Wow... And I thought the assistant manager stealing £200 from my till was bad!

Why wasn't there any arrest or jail time for this? $300,000 is prison time.

This went on where I worked, too. Long story, and if I wrote about it, I would be sued. I have better things to do with my life. They got away with it and some peeled off into another firm.

I was in charge of the capital equipment budget for the operating theatre I worked in. There had been all sorts of jiggery pokery happening with my previous colleagues tenure of this job. He'd retired, my first meeting with one company's rep, they out and out offered me a bribe to keep buying from them. Fortunately I used to record all those meetings. The company acted all surprised, and shitcanned him. It was all rather awkward as I liked both guys.

I can tell this woman is from the New York-metro area, and honestly none of this is surprising behavior. 😂

Hr: help refusal

For members of the Ben Askins audience who aren't aware, and if my assumption that the caller's accent and circumstances are American is correct, the reason she's so brave for what she did and why no-one else was willing to step up is because in every state except Montana it would have been entirely legal for her boss to fire her for revealing his crime. In fact, had she not been smart enough to look for and find a new job, there's every reason to believe the company would have made her redundant based on her direct knowledge of pretty blatant cover-up. I say this to point out the irony of saving the company hundreds of thousands of dollars despite not only zero benefit to herself, but actually jeapardizing her career. That, unfortunately, is what it means to live in a country with an "at-will employment" system where almost everyone is entirely dependent on their employer for their health insurance to cover themselves and their family in the most expensive healthcare system in the world and can be fired without cause. If that's not terrifying, I don't know what is.

Unless this company is getting insane amounts of revenue they could potentially bankrupt themselves with all their sticky fingers 👉 😂.

Hr was complicit. They need to be fired

I worked for a big multinational company, in one of the subsidiary companies in this multinational the CEO was stealing. He used the increases in the cooperate budget meant for wage increases for himself, all sorts of nonsense, he sponsored a local (amateur) football/soccer team which he was on the board of. Luxury golf trips for him and friends, a flashy company car for his wife (she didn't work there) etc. Only came out because we had a big Xmas party/team building, to celebrate the excellent business year. A female junior staffer, after liberally applied dutch courage, went up to the CEO of the mother company, and kinda jokingly asked, "when things are going so well, why haven't we had a raise in 3 years?". That brought everything crashing down, never saw him in the new year, they recalled him to HQ stuck him in a windowless office for 2 months and quietly let him go. No police involvement, no court case, just to save embarrassing details coming out, which was a complete lack of controlling, which might have hurt the stock prices....

8:18 The internal theft not being publicized could have been done as PR. If this company is up for sale; this could repell those potential buyers. Also this could impact their stock price if they are publicly traded.

HR is not their for the employees. They’re there for the company and a lot of times employees. There will be friend HR and become buddy buddy those are the ones mostly are the toxic people.

So curious. If she is not an employee, is she in a nda to not reveal the name of this company? Why Didn't you tell?

I have had not this bad but a boss so bad that us that had him are still jumpy. I can go into more details and all but it is just fucking bad.

Despite all the financial struggles i and my family faced, everything is finally falling into place! $47,000 weekly profit and riches I'll always praise the Lord.

If she's working somewhere "shady" for 10 years then she's part of the problem.

One criticism: there are two sexes, and having surgery (or preparing for it) doesn’t alter that. He is always he and she is always she. (Until the human mind becomes involved, with its ability and propensity to believe anything.) The absolute discrepancy in power and privileges between bosses and the complete lack for workers is another example of human ingenuity failing. Ditto for the armed services: new recruits are punished severely for the least offences, while officers’ shit is more often praised or ignored.

I dont belive her she just seems to want attention