The OG of Hublot haters 😎

And She didnt torn up her shirt... Class indeed ❤❤ 😂😂😂 Jenni Elle's next video: Here is the current situation of "Iced out watches" Nico Leonard: *stops ticking*

THE LEGEND! THE PIONEER!!! FVCK UBLOOO!!!

she wore 2 watches in the video btw :D

Nico if you could only choose between a non factory iced out anything and a hublot of your choice, which'd be your poison ;)

Excellent LMAO 😂

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I thought I was the only one who went through such unpleasant experience . The iPod was stolen but I found these Hublots and Franck Müllers disposed in my car. I never told my wife or anyone about this humilation - it was so awkward

@@resuscitationpicture I’ve heard that in some of the worst parts of south London criminals have been known to hold their victims at knife point to force an Hublot onto their wrist. I can’t even imagine the trauma and humiliation that would cause. -That’s why these crimes often go unreported.

@@rev.andyh.1082 How can humans develop such brutality? At WEMPE they have specially trained therapists to overcome such trauma. They will tell you these guys had a toxic childhood as they were forced to wear undersized velvet suits for church - on every single Sunday.

Agreed but then why is RM so loved? Yes they might do many things even better than Hublot but does it justify the even more ridiculous price?

@@horusfalco8837 Definately not Sir. They are also overpriced AF. Though I would admit, RM's do somewhat justify their price point by creating that genre of overpriced highly engineered watches.

If innovation and price is a criteria, Rolex should really be dying any year now.

Was Nico in Harry Potter series? Looks like the Ratman.

​@Fonetiker you should research more

Yep, it's the same as saying a person cannot become president simply because they are common people and not from a family line of career politicians. Heritage matters but to neuter competition just because the lack of it kinda sucks imo

Heritage should be necessary if your watch costs the same as a used car. Nobody has an issue with most modern luxury brands because they don't charge $10-15k for a watch. Take a look at Christopher Ward. They're innovative, good looking, and offer excellent value for money. Hublot is more expensive than C. Ward and have gaudy ugly designs.

If you REALLY like some of the big, tacky Hublot designs, just buy a quartz Invicta, swap out the movement for a high quality mechanical, and keep the change.

@@notgray88 Richard Mille has entered the chat.

@@itsthejdquest If someone gifted me a Richard Mille I wouldn't even bother to take it out of the box and just sell it. I'd rather use that money to buy a couple reversos or something actually wearable.

THIS is your channel, sir. Short informative pieces with the prefix… ‘did you know,’ is much needed in this space and I feel would be lapped up in favour of bunny ears, sunglasses and scripted scandals. I’d subscribe immediately! 🙏😣

@@mr_watchaddict3146 That's very kind of you Mr W. However sadly and unlike Jenni, I've a great face for radio and again unlike Jenni what I know of the current scene could be written on a postage stamp, in big letters, in crayon. 😁 I sub to this channel to get a handle on what's current(and I'm a fellow IttyBittyWristComittee member). It's actually one of the handful of 'Tube watch channels I do watch. Others are either too breathlessly pretentious, or dealers pimping their wares, or middle aged men shouting at each other for some odd reason, or all of the above. 😁

It's a matter of how much effort was put in to make a product. a printed poster from Ikea will never fetch the money that an artist painted. An iphone picture is ALWAYS more clearer than a painted portrait, but anyone can take a picture with a phone. It takes skill and time to paint a picture. An FP Journe Quartz watch can fetch for a lot of money because even though it's quartz, a lot of time and effort was put in to make it. It's a piece of art. A quartz movement from Seiko had 0 minutes of hand making, and can be produced 50k times in 1 day.

​@@DonLee1980 There's something to that alright. The very early quartz were more "handmade" than most mechanicals of the time. In some even the circuitry was hand soldered. Though the Grand Seiko quartz today blows the FPJ out of the water on a few points. Still, brands like Rolex and Omega produce watches in their millions on an industrial scale using industrial methods. These are not Old Masters, or hand made by magical Swiss elves in sylvan glades. There's a lot less handmade involved today in a Speedmaster or Submariner than there was in 1970, yet they're significantly more expensive allowing for wages/inflation etc. Brands like Longines, Seiko and Tissot are about the price now as they were back then. Their broad ranges of types and prices are more like back in the day too(Rolex ranges were always pretty narrow. From the 50's on basically an Explorer with different bezels and handsets, in the 60's a chrono that they couldn't give away originally and hard to sell gold dress watches. Even today there are no waiting lists for Cellini) Another thing that changed was back then the brands were all independents, the majority competing for the same customers in jeweller's windows(Patek and the like were very niche). So if you were looking for say a divers watch, the Omega, Rolex, Longines, Doxa, Blancpain etc were lined up together, so unless there were extra features involved, they were all in and around the same prices. If an average good quality divers watch was 200 dollars/pounds then some might be 240, others might be 170. The spread was much narrower and the huge price differences by brand marketing and Swatch/LMVH conglomerate positioning weren't in play like today.

I don't know if you can say that nobody was talking about Patek's and RO's ten years ago. They were still very much talked about in the online watch community (Hodinkee - when it was smaller, aBlogtoWatch, SJX, and etc). It' just more along the lines that the watch market has blown up since then. To say something was niche then when the entire market then was slightly more niche is a tad disingenuous.

Service really makes a difference, and at the end of the day, it’s your wrist - not everyone else.

Buy what u like. its what makes you happy in the end.

I agree with you

had a similar experience just recently, i think the rolex guys are a little exhausted of ppl who cant afford the watches coming into the shop, and not actually having any watches to sell. breitling guy was great though, super experienced, clearly a watch enthusiast, super nice.

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yes. It's not just the movement, it's also the people who buy them

well, rolls royce IS owned by BMW

Sharing the parts is like sharing individual gears, screws & stones - perfectly fine. However sharing the whole engine would have caused questions. The movement of the watch is the key point of engineering innovation. If the company “outsource” that part, they basically just sell the design and finishing. Which might be totally fine for many people - there is market for Brabus after all.

I share a lot of elements with a Bentley too, like carbon, oxygen, nitrogen….

Audi/BMW are luxury premium car manufacturers and their shared parts and for the sake of quality and reliability.

Are you comparing ford to Audi and bmw though? 😂

You'll have the Rolex fans boys and girls hunting you down. Biggest laugh is Rolex is a charity so they don't pay tax on any profits.

Few years back , I’ve met a guy who’s uncle’s best friend has a friend who owned an electronics shop and one of his employees had a brother who was dating this girl who’s cousin was a finance guy working at Rolex and he said that Rolex watches are worth every penny… What’s the point of your comment? Is it to jump on the hate bandwagon and trash talk Rolex or tell us something that a primary school child already knows?

@@omarion07 Oh summer child, if you think rolex actually costs anything close to what you are paying. Enjoy being robbed.

@@omarion07 the point is that Rolex is overpriced, and Hublot is just doing what Rolex has been doing. When you buy those watches, you pay for the brand advertisment, not the watch

Ive delved deep into the hobby last year and all of yall couldve told me hublot has misaligned screws on the bezel. Thats why i buy seikos; the misalignment, imperfections, and decent reliability for the price match my mood on Monday mornings at work 😂

Lol Dan Henry junk

@@shpickey what a nice enthusiast you are.

Both watches are shitters. Watches are about excellence, not clout.

@@lachlanbrown409 excellence is always relative.

@@lachlanbrown409 so you’re about clout

Every swiss watch brand is overpriced. People can decide what they want to buy for their money...

@@Sarvari_Gergo Compared to what? Your illegal Chinese counterfeit?

@@pistonburner6448 And made by slave workers in communist-run slave shops.

@@Sarvari_Gergo a hublot has a movement that's worth 5% of the entire price, an omega (apart from the moonwatch series) has a on their simplest method a movement that's worth at least 20% of the entire price (speaking of manufacturing cots)

@@kritnicol8546 The Spirit and Big Bangs don't use ETA. Spirits have a skeletonized El Primero 400 (skeletonized and finished by Hublot as HUB4700) for the chronographs. The tourbillon and other versions like the Meca-10 use in house movements too. The Big Bang uses a Unico 2 movement. Inhouse made flyback chrono. Only the entry level Classic Fusion watches use ETA based movements (finished by Hublot). Your statement shows how much you've been drinking the Nikoolaid.

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or rolex

@@arctic_skies or Omega, Breitling, GS, JLC, PP, AP and 95% of luxury watch brands out there!

True. I was just lazy to writte down everything. Basicly everything above 1k is crap.

@@arctic_skies Why don't you make a watch of Rolex quality below $1000?

Yup, I own an Hublot and I love to see the "watch enthusiasts" who dress like farmers whine about movements and shit, while my Hublot fits perfectly with my a little bit more fashionable outfits

I wouldn't compare A.Lange & Sohne with Hublot. A.Lange & Sohne produces very beautiful and classy watches, the same cannot be said for Hublot🤣

@@liv0003 I don't think the OP made any comparisons mate.

@@seanlingham5254 Oh.. maybe I misunderstood his comment. Sorry

@@liv0003 Yep. He was making a general statement about people who buy luxury watches and the distinction isn't about the brand but about people who want and are willing to pay large amounts of money for exclusivity. Which I believe he's saying, isn't him (or her).

Daytonas are indeed ridiculously overpriced on the secondary market, although not for long it seems. But at retail price Rolex certainly offers better value, and it’s kind of silly that some Hublot models with a very basic ETA or Sellita movements have higher RRPs than Rolex.

That's not rolex's fault. That's how it is in the 2nd hand market

@@Youthuba I didn’t blame Rolex. Not do I.

@@Youthuba sure, my point was that at retail Rolex is actually kind of reasonably priced unlike Hublot. The only problem is the limited supply of Rolex watches and that is indeed their fault and probably intentional.

@@Youthuba it’s true it’s not Rolex fault.. it’s my grandma’s fault cus she created the waiting list and the she makes it a wishlist.. and I’m so sure she’s gonna make it in your dreams list

there are a lot of much better timepieces... You must know that hahaha

jacob co just as trash as hublot.

Jacob & Co is the ultimate trash

Tarantooola indeed!

the only thing worse than hublo is jacob and co

@@tortapuker2942 Nico would strongly disagree. Prices and pieces do tend to be over the top though.

And as far as I know, charging north of 10k for an ETA based movement is also a novelty (correct me if I'm wrong)

@@emmeo17 came here to say that

And to be clear, ETA movements are fantastic movements. But if you're using someone else's movement, then you're not putting any money into movement R&D ... so then what are you charging $12k or whatever for?

I was gonna say this. Like, I don’t ever see myself wearing Richard Mille, even if I could afford to part with the money. But to call out their lack of heritage overlooks the fact that they make some incredibly complex and impressive watches.

@@wingeren Exactly! ETA movements per se are excellent (all my watches have ETAs or Sellitas, and are even modified), but they didn't cost me a fortune

I have very small wrists, but I still love my 45mm hublot

What other watches you got right now in your 5 piece collection?

@@jackdaniels8030 Wimbledon Two tone DJ, Blancpain villeret ultra plate 6651 1127 55B, and two pieces I am not comfortable revealing.

My fuck you watch is a mavado love it even though I know a lot don't that's what got me interested in watches

@@albertvalenzuela9700 let me guess - 800 series all gold?

@@miroslavrnjakovic8850 no don't care for the gold look it's the Swiss sapphire stainless steel

The same thing is for most non precious metal watches selling over $10k. A royal oak is no way worth 30-50k, a Richard mille for 10x that. It is all about what your customer base is willing to pay, not about making a fair profit.

@@casualsuede Mmmm, I was thinking the same thing. OP was really close to that, just not quite stitching together that it's the same logic, the difference is that people accept it in one case and not the other, simply because in one case the believe the status is deserved. Personally, I think that status is still a trap with the brands that people respect. The only difference is how you personally feel about it. You still buy it for the name. You wouldn't pay nearly that for another name. And it's funny, once you understand these things, you start to see how it's like that in many industries, with fans surrounding them in internet communities, propping up an inflated value for the products. And yes, people are willing to pay... but yes... companies selling the products do take advantage of that. And the paths that money moves across don't really benefit consumers at all. You get your status piece, they get lots of cash to keep up in a top-level bubble of investing games. And this all tells them that what they're doing is the right way to go... essentially justifying the exorbitant pricing seen on these legacy brands. It's ruined my taste for a lot of fancy things out there. I really couldn't care less if I ever own an AP or a Rolex because I understand that a large chunk of the value is fake. Take away the status from the actual physical watch, and the value drops immensely. In a world with quite a lot of poverty in it, this imaginary value strikes me as something a bit grotesque. I would feel bad even wearing a Rolex in many places. They are all sort of 'tainted' by this mindset that status is valuable. It's something we as buyers don't really benefit from, yet continually not only make excuses for, but support.

Is not capitalism what saved heritage brands after quartz crysis? “Luxury” is epitome of capitalism.

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Most people hate them because they go with what they’re told. Most people are sheep and when you look at these people they’re always dull and boring looking. Who would take fashion advice from Nico. He looks like a fat squirrel! Everyone loves Rolex yet everyone I know has a Rolex and 99% of these people are chavs!

Don’t let others judge your watch collecting decisions. 🍻

@@ondreiii Facts.

Then you are genuine enthusiast who enjoys this fun hobby

Good on you! I also love Hublot. I own Ap, Pateks, Rolexes and Cartier. I buy what looks good to me

This is true. These things are going like hotcakes in Asia.

Invicta don't care about the "experts" and "influencer", they are doing fine because a lot of people like their watches.

I mean they advertise alot in football games and then there are rappers like Jay-Z who mention them in their rap songs so there not completely out of the influencers realm

They're always trying to send Nico samples to change his mind. He keeps turning them down

@@EthanRom That's the right thing to do. People and organisations that believe in their product and care for the opinions of others would strive to do that. Nico put himself in the trash category.

Good point. I also think the 'heritage argument' is spurious in any case. The idea that a new company (life Nomos) can't be 'luxury' because they lack history, while long established brands that have changed ownership so often that they are little more than a badge, somehow can, is ridiculous.

You had me at Vostok

Vostok sucks.

@@seanlingham5254 Do you own one? Otherwise your opinion sucks.

It is impossible for Hublot fans to talk about their watch and not talk about how much they paid

i just saw that watch a couple days ago. it's so classic Hublot. To look more expensive and valuable than it actually is

That sounds insane. I've never owned a Patek for obvious financial reasons, but I've always assumed their servicing was top notch.

@@Yorosero You'd be surprised, even companies like Rolex are very bad with service. For first time buyers, you will get treated like shit at most Rolex boutiques.

@@Yorosero I was shocked as well. They used to have a fellow named David Jarrett who ran the HSWA back then and he was an arrogant bastard. (in my opinion) It was only when I posted the pics of the watch on TimeZone, still in the shrink-wrap, with the dents in the case, that he finally admitted that it matched their case-holder vice. Prior to that, he blamed my AD and 100 other things. The dealer accepted a return on the watch and it was only 14 years later that I decided to buy another Patek. I went with a 5712, and now I shudder to realize it needs to have its period service....and I have to send it to NYC....

@@itspapaj4732 You are telling the truth. I had a REF6263 Rolex that I owned since I was a kid and had it serviced a few times at Rolex. The last time (I think it was 1990), they scratched the dial and cracked the bezel. I called to complain and they claimed that I did the damage. I asked them how I could scratch the dial and the guy lost his mind. After he yelled at me for a few minutes, he hung up on me. 10 min later the "VP of Service" called me back to apologize, and sent a shipping label. This time they serviced it like they were mad at it, and ground on of the pushers almost flat and gouged the lug. So, I put the watch away for a decade before deciding to have it restored. Now, I think I'll send to LA Watchworks and have them add back all of the lost metal. In recent times, Rolex also destroyed my brother's 6263 by cracking the bezel, and they have disclaimers galore on their paperwork. You are powerless and 'just a number' to them.

Your only reasonable response to their letter after the shit service they gave you is, "yes, you are absolutely correct!"

Sounds like IWC until a few years ago.

the have their unico movements now, which is inhouse

They just look expensive that’s all.

Exactly. Liars are trash!

Mostly in-house. Movements not the issue.

if you drop a watch that costs 12k and it stop working, maybe it isn't so weel made afterall?

agree with you

The customer is always right in matters of taste

Lol, yeah let's keep the masses dumb while we scoop up the gems.

thats good advice lol

@@ItsNeverTooHot4Leather Bought your Vostok yet?

you will hate it if you cant afford it

@@oralkombat5479 I adore A. Lange & Söhne, but I can't afford their watches....I guess that undermines your theory.

tag heuer trash too, but not antique heuer watch

But hublot is overpriced, thats not an opinion but a fact if you compare it to other watches with the same movements and specs.

They say Hublot copies AP or PP while Seiko, the traditional watch lover brand, is blatantly copying Rolex and no one gives a crap

@@oa1145 how do you come to that conclusion?

@@bobrocker6582 Find me something with the designs and the patented materials like scratch proof dark gold that Hublot uses in their products

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Status symbol? Lmao gtfo u work for them don’t ya

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@@brianmckibben2300 …the above message and Hublot both!

i mean, do you get 80 000$ of quality in an AP RO ? I know ressell value yada yada yada, but do you, really ? Even the cost of production, if you'd think it cost AP a thousand in materials it would be an overestimation by a lot, Tag heuer sells a 2000$ watch with a quartz movement, there is nh35 watches that costs over a thousand, and people likes them.

Rolex has so much genuine heritage and quality and so many other things that Hublot doesn’t have though. I’m definitely not arguing that insecure flexers don’t buy Rolexes as meaningless status symbols because they obviously do, you’re obv right about that. That’s true for pretty much anything expensive. But I def wouldn’t put Rolex and Hublot in the same overall category just because of that. There’s too much that differentiates them

Also a big part of the difference between Rolex and Hublot is that Hublot actively courted the “influencer” and rich kid/nuevo riche customer base.

Lol what an ignorant comment. People buy stuff to show off. Duh. You think a person buying a Patek or AP is just to keep to himself? It’s humble bragging. Still a status symbol. You want to be down to earth then just get a seiko

@@singaporewatchcollector6262 yeah, true, tho the average person hasn't heard of PP or AP - or Hublot either I guess. Good comment, Cheers 👍🏻

Not all peoples who own Rolex are insecure like you.

Tag is not a luxury watch anymore.There is no point buying a tag unless he's a formula one enthusiast.

@@kapaul9922 Tag is a luxury sports watch. One for a person that can spend the cash and wear it ragged. It's not a watch for someone that's actually gonna need their money back eventually (which isn't very luxurious, IMO).

Saying hublot has “innovations” is the most ludicrous thing I’ve heard to do with watches

@@jmemphisTX I mean they have the magic gold alloy which kinda counts. Not worth the price tag tho.

I agree Hublot is overpriced and not that innovative, but they are far from the worse watch brand. Check out the absolute garbage that Stauer puts out - and the quality is by far the worse - I was given 2 as presents and in both cases each watch fell apart in less than 6 months.

@@jmemphisTX Off the top of my head they are the first to come out with a full sapphire glass case. They experiment a lot with their materials.

I had a full ceramic Spirit of Big Bang and I loved it. But as I got older (42 now) with my eyesight failing me I can't read the dates nor the time on their skeletonized watches with me anymore so I sold it. The design of the watch wasn't as great as I thought they were when I bought it at 35 so I think Hublot is a watch the appeals to the younger crowd.

Do they?

get it second hand... if you can get it for 60 % off msrp you should be able to break even.

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