tools in your gambling toolbelt, nice!

And also it's great for those super short rolls when a number gets established and then wiped out immediately by red or 11 winning on the coming out. Lots of 2s and 3s help too on the new shooter, I really like this one. I hedge it a bit further with a small 1 on all the hard ways, and I parlay it with regression if it hits and leave something up on it.

Experiment with place bets might be good

@@ColorUp I was thinking the same thing! Maybe when a Come bet wins and comes down, use the winning to place that number at least until your next Come bet goes back up, or something like that.

Lol... "If the dice cooperate".....

Appreciate you watching!

appreciate that!

Just my thoughts on it

Awesome to hear. No strategy works all the time, but glad you had good time

@@ColorUp That's so true! I've done a bit of refining to make it my own. I'll get back to you.

Congrats on the dealer gig. Maybe I’ll see you at the tables one day

@@ColorUp Dice is the first game I ever learned.

@@ColorUp I deal in Oklahoma. I have a guest who plays in Colorado. Black Hawk I think

Nice! It’s a great game. Casino quest is great for getting comfortable and your hands on the game. Have a great time in Vegas!

Hmm, sorry, don’t recall

It is. When you have those 3 exposed and going back up on the dont it sucks when it becomes a pattern.

Yep, every strategy has a weak point

At this point, you can lay some or all of your "7-out exposure" amount against two numbers you choose - hoping it doesn't hit THOSE numbers!

This one’s kinda complicated for a new player.

did this but started w/ 6 & 8 place bets and don’t pass, place a come bet for the first few roles to hedge against the early 7 then stop the come bets

Tweak it and make better 👍🏻

Only 2 Come bets out at a time - not 3.

I plan to be at Casino Quest, not sure I can make downtown grand, but I'll try

@@ColorUp of course we can try it out at CQ!

You have to stay alert with this one. Lot of moving parts.

It’s interesting

yeah, just avoid those 15 and 25 😉

Agreed. Unfortunately almost all casinos in the NY/NJ are $15 min. Very rare to see $10 tables anymore.

You can't make any money if you have a Don't Pass bet and then make an equal Place bet on the point.

@@jimklemens5018 you can if the number hits and you are playing at the $600 level. Gotta have a big big bankroll though. I believe its called the money bucket strategy

@@phillipharris9845 If you make a Place bet on the point, you are taking away the value of a 7 rolling. It would be smarter to just leave a $600 Don't Pass bet play out naturally.

Yep

Info is private, for color up club members

sounds about right

give it a try

Certainly could, but I don’t know what number will roll. 6/8 more likely but 10 pays better so 🤷‍♂️

Should be good for comps, problem is most places do a pretty bad job of tracking play properly. Be sure to ask how they are rating you if your are concerned with comps.

Correct, both win with roll of 7

Having played for years then you also know you are not going to beat the house anyway you play

I play 4 to 5 days a week and make a very good supplemental retirement living at it. It can be done. With the exception of the Covid year six figures each of the last four. Well I may not be Tony Leo, in Maryland I am known and respected. There are others here such as my friend Jeff who rival or exceed Tony. We play quietly we don’t have casino comp cards and we stay under the radar. As a matter fact this is the most exposure I’ve ever allowed myself. Only because I really enjoy your KZfaq channel. The secret is take the math away from the house as much as possible, don’t get greedy and stay disciplined. Someone once said pigs get fed but hogs get slaughtered. Please know that I enjoy and respect your channel this is just a friendly exchange. But yes it can be done. There are those of us who are living proof. The average person is too impulsive, doesn’t take the time to educate themselves about the game and is undisciplined. The casino counts on that.

I mean no disrespect, but a simple log book of your play over years would prove everything. No one ever has or shows that. I would say most people “think” they are long term winners and are not. Again, you may very well be up profit over last couple years, but I challenge you…track accurate wins and losses, track expenses such as travel, meals etc. find the accurate numbers of your business. Appreciate you watching!

I do have logs from back in the day. When I found my system I stop keeping them there was absolutely no need. As far as traveling expenses I live 35 minutes from three major casinos in Maryland they are no significant expenses. I go early make my goal and leave so meals, travel, rooms are not an issue. As I say the dealers know me the players know me as such I have no need to prove anything to anybody. Again no disrespect intended. It is a cash transaction that never sees my bank account. I allow myself four sets of 10 shooters at the end of that I go home with whatever profits I have. Seldom and I mean seldom do I leave without significant house monies. The reason being I play a very conservative strategy. I don’t turn on my bets on the come out and I don’t turn them on till after the first role. This way in the course of 10 shooters I avoid on average 2 to 4 outs. Since I am playing 140 across to start and pressing that saves me $500 to $800 per day that I don’t have to make up. After that I take two hits of $50 each and get out of the way. As Mel says go down the felt. I will later in the day gamble a little more and stay up for 3 to 4 hits sometimes. Many people regard this as very boring, not exciting, and it’s not. I am there to make money, that is my sole goal. You published a strategy months ago that showed by taking two hits and getting out of the way you make more money than if you stay in for that one big roll. I discovered that years ago. I hear what you’re saying about everybody makes claims. But the three of us who play regular together at Hollywood casino in Charlestown West Virginia, MGM national harbor in Maryland Live know each other and we are known. I did recently moved to Florida were the only craps are bubble crabs at hard rock Hollywood I’m told. I haven’t been there yet but I will soon be going. I enjoy your channel I enjoy your professionalism and I’m proud to be a member of the club. My results speak for themselves as I say I’m known in Maryland and have no need to prove anything to anybody. I just moved to Florida and paid cash for a condo and a new car. Enough said. No disrespect intended quite the opposite. What I do have at home and I will have to try and find since not everything is unpacked yet, our practice sheets where I use ricks bubble craps to practice against. The system is the same the probabilities are all the same and the results are the same. When and if I can find those I’ll share them with you. But quite honestly Jeremy the proof is in the pudding.

You have to understand my skepticism. Ive gotten hundreds of claims sent to me saying they are all beating the casinos. And yet the casinos still are breaking profit records. And you are right, no need to prove anything to me or anyone else. If you are making money, that’s great. I have a question though, if we’ll known I. The area, why are you not backed off or trespassed? card counters even when not winning are told to leave, just because of potential damage they can do. You are know, and I know you say you take modest wins, but over time even that they would refuse you service. Casinos aren’t going to allow you and your couple friends to win consistently?

By default the odds on a come bet are off and follow the puck being off

On a table that allows odds of 3x4x5x odds. The maximum but would be 6x your line bet. So if $10 don’t pass, you could lay odds of $60. If you want to lay more in odds you’d have to make a bigger dont pass bet. Or play at table with higher odds.

@@ColorUp after this question I went and watched your video on lay odds. Then I checked the Crapsee preferences, and this table has a three times odds flat. So I increase the initial bet to $20 in order to achieve the $60 late hours.

Should go live around 2pm pst

I avoid the strip as much as possible

I meant dont you have a place somewhere you own?

No, I’m from Reno. I partner with Casino Quest a lot, maybe your thinking of them? They are located in fashion show mall on the strip.

Like all strats, sometimes they work and sometimes they dont

Info is not public, For color up club members

You can, and easy decision after you see the rolls, but while more ways to roll 8, it pays true, so if 10 rolls it pays more because less ways to roll. I just leave bets in situations like that because you just never know.

@@ColorUp thanks Jeremy. Appreciate ya my friend.

Yes, but inside my club community. This year it’s for club members only

No you cannot increase a don't pass bet, once its established the player had advantage over casino, so they won't let you increase. Only way to get more money bet on it is by laying odds.

@@ColorUp and to clarify the other end. You CAN press a PASS line bet, right?

You can increase your Don't Pass bet before the come out roll. You can increase a Pass bet at any time, but if the point is already established, you should add an Odds bet instead.

Well I’d say 90% of players avoid dont pass. Superstitious players think it’s a bet against them, it is not, you are both trying to beat casino. Many don’t understand this, so yes, typically hard to make friends that way.

I used to play this strategy every time I went. Started getting more aggressive with higher/risk and higher reward, but I would play this and would get referred to by other players as a dont player lol. Even though I had 75% of my bets pulling for the shooter.

I almost always play the Don't Pass and make lots of friends at the table.

I like to start with a $200 Don't Pass bet and $160 to $220 Inside Place bets, depending on the point.

Great point

You have $180 on the table but if the seven hits you get $110 back ($10 don't bet returned, plus $60 odds bet returned plus $40 winnings). So, if no number repeats, you get worst case $70 loss if the point was 4 or 10; $60 loss on 5,9: and $50 loss if the point was 6,8. Far worse is getting your bets all on the felt then hitting the point followed by a come out 7. That would be $70 loss on making the point and a $60 loss on the come out seven. Total $130 loss and the same shooter still on his hot roll! Well, hot for everyone except you.

@@aebalc I'm not sure your math is right. If you don't and a 4 rolls, and you follow the strategy and have 3 comes with odds and a 7 hits on your $10 don't, $60 odds, you're getting $40 back and losing everything else. So even with the "2.5" points, that's a $70 loss. Not sure why you think your odds get returned to you if the point is still on, but ok

@@bryantfuehrer2095 We agree it is a $70 loss. The way I read your post it sounded like you meant $180 out and only $40 back was a $140 loss which is nearly half your buy-in.

Ok, have to look for it

Hi Victor, Can you send a link. Brian

I submitted it to his dice advice forum so if he makes a video on it then you will be able to see it in action but it’s far too much to explain in a comment.

Get new friends 😉

Hopefully you mean place bet, you should never buy the 6/8. But that is a fantastic way to play actually. Simple and very good bets

@@ColorUp Yes place bets. I dont like losing on the come out, seems to happen alot for me.

Not a bad thing. Better than filming a bunch and only showing strategies winning

@@ColorUp True. Sometimes though, I wish you'd edit in a (clearly labeled as unrealistic) "pretty good luck" roll, just to see what a streak with a certain strategy might look like.

Hmm, I’ve never really considered before. A strategy showing optimal roll, just labeled as such. I’ll have to think on this but I might consider.

@@mrgraff but don’t you find it annoying when they say something like, then let’s say a 10 hits, you do this, then if an 8 hits you do this. After doing that 5 or 6 times they will say then have thousands in profit. Yeah, but you got a 1 in 3,000 chance of that happening, lol

@@marknoble5495 Sure, that’s why I want it labeled as optimal so you know it’s not likely. But the reason I’d still want to see it is to know why anybody would even consider the strategy.