Love it !!

😂

Yes, but nothing wrong with people choosing one or the other...

Thanks for sharing!

It's all about the music !

Me too !!

Thx. I call it "listening with your eyes" (Type 2)

There you go. Certain brands excel at that...;-)

Dang Brother, got any more weed ? Lol. You are going far too deep into a general comment. Here's my reply. People being "wowed" by the presentation are most likely new to the game. That will wear off, and you will start to ONLY accept what used to wow you. Now, that sound will be baseline and expected. Once to that level, you will be like a yogi in meditation 🧘‍♂️. No mosquito will be able to draw you out of your meditative state, no thoughts of sandwich or your wife's boobies will interrupt your meditative state unless, again, this is still new to you OR your system is not enough to hold you in its rapture. This is why, for many of us, we understand the ability of our systems to "stop time." Because we forget about anything in our monkey (animal) brain like physical urges. I think you're missing that what I'm talking about transcends what it "sounds" like. That's kids' play. I'm speaking about how it affects our soul in a spiritual, meditative way. You are still thinking on the surface...only skin deep by your example. HiFi is much deeper and is spiritual... and in this realm, the system means nothing. It's only a tool to get us to the music realm of spiritual ether. ✨️ describing sound is a type 2 thing. Foolish and silly. Newbie level. Type 1 is about music and the spirit. So you are either one or the other eventually, as it's a full ideology and philosophy. Does that make more sense now ?

@@OCDHIFiGuy Mikey! Ha! Believe it or not, I haven't smoked weed for 35 years. As I said, I know there's only so far you can go into a subject in a format like this. Also, you'd have maybe two subscribers if you went as far into it as I'd like you to. It's my ongoing frustration with social media in general that it takes up serious complicated subjects but deals with them in such a foreshortened way that, ranging from Twitter tweets, IG blurbs, and even the comparatively lengthy youtube spiels, too many (for me) important things get left unsaid. Generalizations and pithy (or not so pithy) slogans are the rule. It's too much drive-by thinking. I realize I'm the one swimming upstream on this, that most are reconciled to and satisfied with the abbreviated way subjects are dealt with in these formats and forums, but I can't seem to make peace with it. I like complicated subjects to get their due. But that's me. It won't surprise you to hear that the most recurring comment I get on IG is "I aint tryna read allat," which I'm somewhat sympathetic to but also despair of. As for the mediative, nirvana-esque, mosquito-proof state you describe, and the rig and space it takes to achieve it, I get what you're saying, and I almost believe in it, but not quite. I believe that some people are capable through meditation of effectively making the world and the mind disappear, or something very like disappear, but, were that to happen while listening to music, the music would disappear also, no? Then where's the joy or sadness or peace or whatever feeling the music infuses us with? It's not just a paradox but a flat-out contradiction; you can't have consciousness and unconsciousness simultaneously; you can't be moved by something without being aware of both being moved and of what is moving you; to be joyous is to be aware of one's joy. Maybe it's a testament to my newbie-ness, though I'm not that new to the hifi world and pursuit, but I feel certain that, as much joy as the music from a truly first-rate rig would give me, I would be equally conscious of and grateful for the rig itself, and that my immersion in the music would necessarily be punctuated by my appreciation of the gear, both as object and as technology. Maybe in time, if I had the rig and setup the quality of yours, I'd come to entirely disregard the gear and be aware only of the music. Maybe. It sounds like that's what you're proposing as an end. But, one, I'm not sure I believe it's possible, not in any sustained way, and, two, I'm not sure it's desirable. That is, I'm not sure I want to lose my appreciation for and love of the gear itself. Part of the magical charm of a great voice is the singer, not simply the song. If you were walking down a dark cobbled street and a beautiful disembodied song came floating over the rooftops, part of the miracle of that music would be the positing of the voice creating it. I don't think the positing of that voice, the awareness of that which produces the music, makes me less of a passionate, immersed, or enraptured listener. I've been involved in music as a listener and a performer all my life, and I know well what it is to have time "stop" while doing both. I've had the same experience writing and playing basketball and boxing. Time stoppage in that sense is common to all activities that completely engross us. I would never dispute that. What I dispute, or am skeptical of, is the contention that this state, outside of genuine meditation (which state I take on faith as I've never done it myself) can be sustained for very long. And then, if my mind does drift from the music to the gear, is appreciating the gear, or any well-crafted object, any less spiritual than appreciating the music? Again, I have no doubt that there are people who buy hifi gear solely to impress, people who have no ear for or love of music, who are, to put it in spiritual terms, soulless. But the truly soulless are the outliers, the exception. I grew up in the 60s. I know what it is to be hiiiigh, with the lights off, the lava lamp flowing, the Moody Blues asking "Why do we never get an answer?", and me both floating with the music and agog at the (at least what seemed to me as a stoned kid) deep and important lyrics. But even then, in probably as close to a transcendental state as I've ever been or will be, I was still aware of the experience. Hell, even on LSD, with the world dripping and cracking and falling apart at the seams, I was still aware of the experience I was having. I know this all seems crazily far afield of High-End Audio for Dummies, and I probably shouldn't even send it, but, to me, all of this follows necessarily as a thinking reaction to the contention that there are two kinds of listeners. One of your viewers even said he actually took a screenshot of your two audiophile types to remind him of what's important here. Is separating listeners into two distinct categories what's important? Really? I apologize for going on like this when I know you're working, due to the nature of the format, in a kind of heuristic shorthand, but just once I'd like to hear someone (besides me) defend the position that it's possible to love the gear and the music, and that loving the gear, both as object and as mind-blowing technology, doesn't make one any less of an audiophile, of a true, genuine, sincere lover of music.

Thanks !

There it is !

Lmao, you are just a type 2 audiophile who doesn't realize that type 1 and type 3 are the same. Flat IS the music. I want to connect with the music, not the speakers. I spend EVERY day tuning speakers and ive found that all of the non-flat tunings just "tricked" my ears into thinking that the "impressive sparkly" sound was more detailed than flat.... Until I went back to flat. I don't care about listening to my SPEAKERS. I want to listen to the MUSIC.

THe Amir's. I exclude them from my hifi world. That dude rarely likes anything!

Those are not Audiophiles. They are Science Karens....

Lol. Great ! Sounds like you are enjoying the system !

Thanks Dan !!

You must have them paired with a musical amp/DAC combo. I'm stoked you're happy !!

Yes, great observation. I agree with the brands listed being as such...

Any time, Brother...

If they want R2D2 in thier living room. Hey, we're happy for you that you love Wilson. I'd personally never choose that brand. I have great respect for what they've done however..

It's easy. Smaller gear and sit closer... that's it.

And her voice sounds sort of "put on" to me...

Yes, absolutely! That's great !

Yes, it's called "instrument separation" in HiFi terms... ;-) rock on 🤘

Absolutely 💯.. sound is subjective. My opinions are generalized according to my perception along with the industry people I associate with.

Thx !

Totally

Thanks for watching!

yeah I have about 40K invested in what he calls "those" brands--mcintosh, sonusfaber, rythmik, mytek, sonore, sgm, EAT, Otari etc in a small 10X12 room that is treated and couldn't be happier. I started in that room with Luxman, EPOS, SVS and Project but the rooms was untreated and at that time, served dual purposes. Then it was a congealed mass of sound. Now it is all the hyper detail, separation, depth, width and height I can handle.

That's all that matters. Like I said, there's nothing wrong with things I don't like...different strokes for different folks. I listen with my heart and soul not with my ears and mind.

@@OCDHIFiGuy I don’t know if you’ve ever heard Aerial Acoustics 7T’s but that’s what I’ve been using for 10+ years now.

Yes they are

Thanks! Will do!

Glad it was helpful!

You're welcome!

That's the distinction. ;-)

Ditto here. If the sound is not realistic, then you have only given your money away for bells and whistles. Glitter.

As long as you don't care about Cancer.... lol. For real tho. Good Bologna shouldn't taste so good for pureed noses, ears and tails.

No doubt!

True !

As long as you're having fun !! Stoked !!

There's nothing wrong with liking stuff and collecting the shiny things. They make lime green Lamborghinis for a reason. People that like things have no reason not to be proud that they earned the ability to do so. It's not MY personality, but its many other peoples and there's nothing wrong with it. Look at all the Design houses from Italy. I would never want to wear Versace or Gaultier or Dolce Gabbana. Not my thing, but there's a reason those houses have not only existed for 50 years but grown exponentially. So instead of pretending, it's better to just stand for your position and wear it with pride I say. This is about something an adult uses for solace on a daily basis. Not a defining moment in life. This system brings you back to that moment like a time machine. As I state, if you can reach that moment with a clock radio, then count your blessings. My taste is refined and once I understand there is a more efficient conduit to that defining moment, for a much more lucid experience, I'm not only going to buy it, but I'm going to sell it and show others how to get there so they can also enjoy a quality of life that includes experiencing life defining moments on a daily basis. If I wanted to manipulate you, I'd sell you things I don't use myself, like turntables and headphones....

And record bags...

Lol. Probably not a good idea...

That last statement sounds a bit elitist. They DO understand that it's difficult and thats exactly why they buy high end audio

Yes and where there's a will there's a way !!

It's a thankless job, but I'm the guy to do it. Thanks for your support !

For sure. Great way to improve the sound..

Thanks Jeff !

It's the same level to me.... lS50 and Bose..

That's a great sign !! I use that as an example of a great audio system... if you can't sleep, it's because the system is agitating.

If your system takes you to another place, space, time and relaxes you to a point where you forget about the system and remember both happy and sads times (brings you enjoyment), then it is the system for you and it isn't a piece of ..... Too often people equate money with greatness and this type of talk can turn people away from the hobby, but Mikey tried to say don't sweat it. You can have a expensive system in a bad room and it will sound bad. You can also have a cheap system in a good or great room and it will outshine the expensive one because the room itself, which Mikey eluded too is part of the equation, but you really don't need a dedicated room, just a well set up one. I have in the past had both, one for Home Theater and one for 2 channel audio. Please don't get caught up in other peoples generalizations of what a system is or isn't based on price because the used market has become the great equalizer. As Andrew Robinson has always said, " The only person that has to like your system is You". I will also say, no one can make you feel anything unless you buy into it. Enjoy your system and it is about the music, especially when you "kill those lights and just listen".

True comment. But there were no generalizations to get hung up over. The point was ….having a system that takes you there …at your comfortable financial means. There will always be more expensive gear that does that (and probably more effectively) but that gear is for people with more financial means. Find your nirvana within your financial means and never worry about the guy who has more. This hobby isn’t a competition that should make you spend more than you can afford or envy the guy who does. Enjoy the music ! Those who can do it for less money have the advantage in overall peace.

Geez, sounds like 2 people understood my video and the first guy commented after not watching the video!! Lol

Cool Pete, thanks for totally understanding it's not an insult, and I applaud you for standing for what you like and having the awareness to know the difference. Cheers !!

Cool !

Thanks !

I don't understand your statement

That's not a good sign... lol. It means HiFi gives you anxiety and unrest.

Why else buy non musically engaging gear ?

@@OCDHIFiGuy when you say that i think of one of my friends who only loves single driver speakers that have no crossovers. He doesn't want to hear about measurements or anything i say. To me they sound awful, glaring midrange and no low end.

That being said, there is NO mathematical formula that equals good sound.

@@OCDHIFiGuy To be fair there's a long list of industry titans scientifically categorizing what measurements correlate to what preferred subjective experiences. Heyser, Keele, Lipshitz, Toole, Linkwitz, Olive, Katz, Davis. JBL Northridge is several decades in with countless experiments on subjective preferences. There is benchmarked, measurement based pathway of best practices to good sound. Gear, setup, and room.

@FOH3663 I get what you're saying, however I could not be more disinterested in corporate industry "Titans". Data is soulless and devoid of emotion. Monkeys love to press the button for a pellet. 90% of monkeys will repeatedly press the button. Does not make the pellet anything more than trained behavior. Industry titans get in the pellet business for us trained monkeys. Look at McDonalds and KFC. Industry Titans... I want nothing to do with what 90% of trained monkeys do or use or eat or buy. You sound like a smart guy. 😉

It's more about enjoying one's purchase. Most sports car owners will never drive on a track like a race car driver either 😉

@@OCDHIFiGuy So you're hearing the money? How can you be objective to the quality of the sound if the amount spent is a factor in the critique.

Thanks !

Sure, there are exceptions to every rule..

I like hugging myself even more. I'm the best there is, ever was, and ever will be. 😂

@@OCDHIFiGuy Nono. that's me.

@@OCDHIFiGuy you beat orange man...bwahahaha

Of course you can !! Not me though.. I would hear the shortcomings..

🙌

Boulder is crap sound in my opinion...but it sure shows well...

Pretty much. Strange, huh? Margulies from Mexico.. but nothing S American I know of.

You have some ? Didn't think so...

That's great ! Where are you from ??

@@davewin1792 there are so many AMAZING diy projects to study, will focus on amps when i finish upgrading my speakers though!

Which kit is as good as $10K pair ?

@@davewin1792 i will investigate because building stuff is something i enjoy but i also have limited time

@@OCDHIFiGuy your speakers maybe? if you ever sell them as a kit haha, what happened to those ?

@@davewin1792 I know Clayton. Good guy. I like him.

I agree !!

Great distinction... forgot about type 3... lol.

Has nothing to do with budget..

There you go !

Sure, and more ...

Lol, a wise guy. Huh ? 😂 I amuse you ?

Take out a loan for HiFi ? Then restrict ones lifestyle to afford the payments with interest ? I'd never suggest that to anyone...

Where there's a will there's a way !!

So Atoll would be Type 1. So would GS. Rolex, type 2. Overhyped and not that great. How ANY speaker performs depends on the room.

@@OCDHIFiGuy Fair Point, every speaker is depending on a good sounding room but TAD maybe because they are coming from their Professional Studio Background are showing you whats wrong with your room...i think the best Speakers have higher standarts.

Don't pay attention to that brand, so I can't comment

Lol. Do you have any Grey Poupon ??

@@OCDHIFiGuyGoodness gracious me, old chap, steady on.

Of course. This is a broad general look. There are always grey areas.

Let's ask. I have people over and go to other people's homes every week. I'm happy you made Wilson work for you. I think it's an overrated brand that has sounded great to me only once. .

You mean Stripper ??

Because you're Dookiefruit

Love that show...

Of course you are !

Great ! Now you know which direction to go...

Your best tweak for the system is space cake. ;-)

@@OCDHIFiGuy dude i'm in amsterdam; the coffee shop is around da corner ( ;))

Concordato!

Type 1 is in the heart. Type 2 is in the mind. Accuracy is rooted in the mind.

Yep, I know they will bug me...

Probably not the new ones... and if they do that's great. I love old Sonus and have some..

@@OCDHIFiGuy I do have older ones.👍🏾

Never heard of it.

@@OCDHIFiGuyUSA made

@GoncalonevesCorreia great, still never heard of it. ;-) 😉

But, I am a huge fan! Love the industry experience and honesty.

Thx !Are you an English teacher or something 😂?

They won't. I'm not dissing them, just making the distinction.

@@OCDHIFiGuyActually they did, even Doug (aka Jay), and that is what drove me to check you out and what people were saying. Although I agree with you.

That's his camp, yes.. nothing wrong with it.

I'm "dumbing" it down for people to understand.

I did...

Of course there is Mark. Not sure you were listening... in the video, I named Magnepan and Aesthetix. 2 brands I don't carry.

@@OCDHIFiGuy Yea but that's one speaker brand and one amp brand . I'm not knocking you, and I kinda get what you are saying ? Honestly there is a lot of brands out there and you have been around so more info the better . Many people don't have theses brands available in their home towns to listen to . Example , X brand is in my home town and it' is great gear and If you like X brand and have deeper pockets try Jeff Roland or TAD .

I absolutely can put a price on it. If we look at 100% of the Audio electronics market, we will get a range to specify what's REAL high end. Just because someone feels that a Timex is a high end watch, does not make it High End. Just because someone thinks $5K is High end Audio does not make it so... lol.

@@OCDHIFiGuyYou are making gross generalizations and some are borderline offensive. With that criteria you used to describe the segments and levels of each, and given that you mentioned speakers and amps that can cost a million dollars, the person that buys TAD Evolution One TX should think they are getting a cheap speaker? Are your new Fischer & Fischer speakers low end because there are $750k speakers? I know people that love their Magicos and feel more connected and attracted to brighter sparkly sound and don’t ever even invite people to listen and show off their systems. You clearly sell some very nice equipment and have great insight into those lines, but putting down the people that have different tastes is a little petty.

​​@@josetoha6504oly crap bro... where did I put anyone down ?? Are you embarrassed because you like shiny things ?? Silly. Stand for your beliefs for chrissakes. Be proud you like to show off your new Gucci loafers... there's nothing wrong with it. Just because it's not MY thing, does not make it wrong. JUST LIKE I SAID IN THE VIDEO. Or did you reply after watching 3 minutes and blow the rest off to make your smart reply ?? Lighten up... this is not a fight... typical Audiophile drama...

Lol. For some people a Corvette is gonna be high end but are you gonna have the ignorance to say it’s in the same league as a Pagani? Stop kidding yourself.

All the more reason to require a High End system..

Magico is overpriced and overhyped, in my opinion Vuch. I dont have to like them just because they are the most popular "cool" brand that magazines push. Magico has failed my listening tests more than 10 times. Many of these times were rooms at the audio shows where the manufacturer themselves set up the room. You think I bash popular things just for the hell of it ? You know me better than that Vuch. Magico has consistently failed my listening tests. Keep in mind just because something sounds perfect (Like Wilson) does not mean it connects me with the music. Wilson has never connected me with the music but they sound perfect. Next, why get upset if I don't like something ? Would you be upset if I said I was a Ford guy not a Chevy guy ? If I said Rolex was overhyped, that I like Omega ? Audio is full of people that get offended if other people's opinion does not match thiers... 🤔 it's just strange to me. Who cares in the end ? It's not a fight with a winner and a loser. It's personal taste. I've tasted Magico more than ten times and I still don't like the flavor... I'll keep trying however !!

That's the point !

Clearly you've offset thier analytical nature. I hate to break it to you but Soundstage is easy to do, and speakers don't make overtones.

@@OCDHIFiGuy I wouldn't classify my Sasha DAW's as analytical. I would say neutral. Garbage in Garbage out. Either you have never heard Wilsons in your own system or you have an agenda.

@Jim-zf2lj LOL. Ridiculous. So everyone that doesn't like Wilson has an Agenda ? I know zero steeped Audiophiles that use Wilson. I only know people that got "Great deals" on them that use them. I'd never own them in a million years, Magico nor Focal either. Do you have a problem with my opinion ?