High PH VS SPS Growth?! Soda Lime, Kalkwasser, Potassium Hydroxide

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ReefDudes

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3 жыл бұрын

Higher PH = Higher coral growth? Join Chris from ACI and I as we talk PH, how to raise it and getting the best growth out of your corals!
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@twanderson41480
@twanderson41480 2 жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to get a follow up on this process. At this point Chris has been using this for a year or more.
@Hozay1
@Hozay1 11 ай бұрын
hello people!! - that was awesome
@gabesreef
@gabesreef 3 жыл бұрын
You always have me wanting to try new things when I watch these lol
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes 3 жыл бұрын
Is that a good thing or a bad thing? :P
@gabesreef
@gabesreef 3 жыл бұрын
@@ReefDudes I don't really want to keep doing things to the tank. I'm not trying to experiment on it, I just want to do what I think is best for the animals. I just got a few brightwell bottles to start adding in some goodies, its going to look very familiar lol
@Two1owT
@Two1owT 3 жыл бұрын
I’m in the same boat with Devin chasing the pH dragon. After a recalibration, found that my pH was much lower than I thought. Was averaging 7.9, installed the icecap mini co2 scrubber. Boosted the average to 8.0. Going to try the recirculating method to see if that boosts it even more.
@burtminshew4812
@burtminshew4812 3 жыл бұрын
Love Chris and love the video bomb. I drip kalk all night and my pH in the day stays around 8.4 but I do large water changes and always windows open.
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes 3 жыл бұрын
Thats a solid PH! i dream of mine being that high!
@PatrickJewellTheGreat
@PatrickJewellTheGreat 3 жыл бұрын
pH controlled by hydroxides safely is the moon shoot for 2021. Some device manufacturer can solve and package it.
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes 3 жыл бұрын
Oh its coming! :)
@golbs7542
@golbs7542 3 жыл бұрын
hey reefdude, have you tried using this in your systems yet and any updates?
@mohamadosman9236
@mohamadosman9236 3 жыл бұрын
Carbonic acid: our body (cells) releases carbon dioxide into the blood. The carbon dioxide ( a strong acid) combines with water, also released from our cells, which then forms carbonic acid which is a weaker acid than carbon dioxide. Carbonic acid then looses a hydrogen atom which converts it into bicarbonate, which keeps our blood pH in a normal range. The bicarbonate gets transported to to the lungs as bicarbonate. At the lungs it basically does the reverse process it goes from bicarbonate back to carbonic acid back to CO2 to be exhales out.
@MrJose01550
@MrJose01550 3 жыл бұрын
hi devin i saw the diy reactor you did for co2 scrubber. i think the scrubber is to large and the air passing by is restricted try a smaller one like a brs one and you will love it. you will need to change a bit more often but you will see at least 8.3 at day.
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes 3 жыл бұрын
Having 3 tubes distributes it so the air flows smooththly. Hehee the goal with it was to go along time without changing it (since it lives in the attic)
@MrJose01550
@MrJose01550 3 жыл бұрын
@@ReefDudeshi. i used to have the same issue with my ph and a brs reactor brong my ph from 8.01 to 8.45 on day time and 8.2 at night. i got the soda lime from ebay for $104 shipped for 5 gl. it will last me 14 month. i even needed to put on a solenoid to stop from scrubbing when it goes higher the 8.45. and i connected both input and output on the actual skimmer drilled a hole on the lid of the skimmer. work great tried everything and nothing worked like the scrubber love it. hey thanks for responding good luck 👍
@bigadventure3797
@bigadventure3797 3 жыл бұрын
The only issue I see with this is when we put these frags in our systems which may not have perfect elevated PH (relative to the majority of our reef tanks). Are these frags going to brown out and not do well.
@aciaquaculture
@aciaquaculture 2 жыл бұрын
It’s more about having your corals thrive in captivity. For many years we have imported corals directly from oceans and corals have adapted.
@mithunshome815
@mithunshome815 3 жыл бұрын
Can I mix 10 grams of Potassium Hydroxide flakes in 100 ml ro water and how much I have to dose it? My tank is 90 gallon . PH is 7.9 to 8.12
@colossuses
@colossuses 3 жыл бұрын
So plumbing calcium reactor effluent into skimmer is better than going to the cheto reactor for PH?
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes 3 жыл бұрын
Well my skimmer is before chaeto so it technically still makes it there
@philcard9022
@philcard9022 10 ай бұрын
Have you seen Brightwells new Boost PH+ ? Boosts ph without alkalinity increase by dosing sodium hydroxide and potassium hydroxide in liquid form in the bottle. A video on it would be amazing Deven?! 🙏
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes 10 ай бұрын
I haven’t used their new one but do a similiar diy mix But i also use as an alk Simms for. Not sure how it would do it without upping kh
@philcard9022
@philcard9022 10 ай бұрын
@ReefDudes I've been binge watching all your ph journey videos lately. Have watched you for the last few years, you and BrS 👌 I've got the same peninsula waterbox as you. Have you got a video on your current hydroxide dosing method?
@michaelrandy8764
@michaelrandy8764 3 жыл бұрын
Hydroxides dont break apart carbonic acid per say, the hydroxides combine with atmospheric and dissolved CO² to form bicarbonate and carbonate, thus the impact on overall alkalinity.
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes 3 жыл бұрын
Makes sense! Thanks for the explanation! This is all new territory for me.
@TrevorHiller
@TrevorHiller Жыл бұрын
Did you experience any problems with your Versa pump when you experimented with this? I’m not considering the KOH, but I’ve seen RHF’s NaOH for Alk recipe and I’d consider trying that sometime down the road in place of Kalkwasser. I’m not sure how the versa handles the ultra alkaline solutions though. That clear “bar” that the peristaltic tubing connects to concerns me because I’ve read NaOH isn’t compatible with polycarbonate and I’ve heard people having versa fittings crack with Kalkwasser. I know you stopped the KOH, but did you ever mess with the NaOH-it sounds way more ideal than the KOH to be honest.
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes Жыл бұрын
It did eat through it eventually. You would have to change it more often or dilute it down much more. (Or run neoprene Tubing) through it.
@TrevorHiller
@TrevorHiller Жыл бұрын
That’s kind of what I was afraid of, I’m not sure if there’s an easy way to add chemical resistant tubing to the Versa pumps since they have push to connects prebuilt in. Thanks for the feedback!
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes Жыл бұрын
@@TrevorHiller i thought about removing the built in connectors and putting one long continuous hose though it.. may or may not work :P may slowly shift over time .. maybe zap straps would keep in place? not sure..
@TrevorHiller
@TrevorHiller Жыл бұрын
@@ReefDudes hmmm 🤔 not a bad idea. My gears are spinning now. Thanks
@cameronbasford8991
@cameronbasford8991 Жыл бұрын
My PH sits between 8.3-8.6 and all my coral grow super fast. I’ve had a torch spawn and the “babies” all grow super quick. I’ve also cut one of the baby torches off the rock to put on a tile, and the spot where the torch was growing grew back in about four weeks. I put that down to the hight ph. I also only dose calcium and alkalinity so not sure why my ph gets so high.
@leoL3383
@leoL3383 Жыл бұрын
Happy for your growth. Will love to know how you keep your pH there.
@cameronbasford8991
@cameronbasford8991 Жыл бұрын
@@leoL3383 I don’t add anything to adjust my ph specially. It’s just where my tanks ph sits naturally.
@scottiej1294
@scottiej1294 3 жыл бұрын
It’s weird after setting up my soda lime reactor I noticed a huge drop in alk over the course of 2 days it almost went down 1 full dkh. I had to up my two part from 12 ml to 17 ml per day as well as adding additional to slowly bring it up to 8.3 and keep it there. My ph went from a high of 7.9 to 8.3 and a low of 7.8 to 8.1-8.2 - I have a 45 gallon tank with sump and a mixed reef with mostly frags and some large pieces but a lot of coraline.
@michaelrandy8764
@michaelrandy8764 3 жыл бұрын
Higher pH = faster rate of calcification = more mineral demand
@jitheshak1
@jitheshak1 3 жыл бұрын
What's the coral which comes up on the thumbnails?
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes 3 жыл бұрын
That’s my miyagi tort
@jitheshak1
@jitheshak1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ReefDudes thank you
@vascojardim6703
@vascojardim6703 3 жыл бұрын
I am no chemist but to me if Alk shot through the roof after they started dosing KOH is because consumption went down. Probably corals adapting to the new water chemistry. Maybe at higher pH carbonates and calcium are more “available” (as I said, I am not a chemist) but at least that initial jump was likely due to shock. I just cant see how can corals grow more by consuming less. Anyway, it would be interesting to see what the likes of Randy Holmes Farley and others say about it.
@theideaofclips5481
@theideaofclips5481 3 жыл бұрын
Vasco Jardim what happens when they sell you these corals use to 8.3 ph and your ph is barely eight ?
@vascojardim6703
@vascojardim6703 3 жыл бұрын
@@theideaofclips5481 good point. Actually, one of the things that I have never understood on the subject of not acclimating acropora, something most of the experts do.
@theideaofclips5481
@theideaofclips5481 3 жыл бұрын
For this situation Acclimating would do nothing unless you spent months acclimating. That big of a ph swing would be bad 8.3 to 7.89 water. I strongly believe some these corals just kill over because of issues like this. My ph stays in between 8.23and 8.17at night and I’m happy with it. Refugium light come on for 16 hours keeping it in the range. Most of my par for corals is distributed between the eight hours the refugium is off.
@aciaquaculture
@aciaquaculture 2 жыл бұрын
@@theideaofclips5481 corals come from an ocean avg of 8.3 every time they are imported. It’s more about the corals thriving in captivity and not just surviving. Corals are kept in various conditions from exporter to importer to store to hobbyists. Most survive and are kept in various conditions.
@Oceancharter
@Oceancharter Жыл бұрын
@@aciaquaculture Hello Chris, is this your recipe? 😊 3 drops / 5 sec (12drops/min) 2200 gal 8360 liter / 600liter = 13.9 = 13.9 / 12 = 0.9 drop/min in 600liters system (Mix 30% KOH 70% RODI) Yes / no / let’s go?
@MSU117MAD
@MSU117MAD 3 жыл бұрын
can you please link your CO2 meter
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes 3 жыл бұрын
geni.us/co2meter
@caleblewis5224
@caleblewis5224 Жыл бұрын
Your interviews are good but you have way to many ads. Keep up the good interviews
@zsxking
@zsxking 3 жыл бұрын
using hydroxide as high ph boost alkalinity supplement is fine, but potassium hydroxide is bad choice. It's much safer to use sodium hydroxide in a 2 part dosing setup. Randy has a recipe for that. Adding just potassium hydroxide is like dosing only 1 part of the 2 parts, means highly unbalance alk to calcium ratio.
@anthonyrodriguez2570
@anthonyrodriguez2570 3 жыл бұрын
I read the same article I think this newly described method that Chris is describing is a competing method. As you’re not constantly dosing KOH but using it as a buffer and monitoring the K level
@zsxking
@zsxking 3 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyrodriguez2570 the real concerning part is that, Chris is dosing KOH without acknowledging/realizing that it supplies alkalinity as well. If it's framed as using alk supplement to buff pH, which is exactly what he's doing, it would sound crazy. Yet he skipped that part and all the sudden it sounds compelling.
@daeliesreef5213
@daeliesreef5213 3 жыл бұрын
@@zsxking it’s not framed that way because the guy has no idea what he’s doing or talking about and newbies are going to hear 30% more growth and I guarantee they’ll want to try it also not understanding it. I called them out about this in a comment and all I get called is disrespectful because he’s a coral farmer. Apparently that makes you immune from scrutiny on your awful inaccurate info, he talks about achieving ionic balance when this does exactly the opposite, alk up, k up, calc down.
@anthonyrodriguez2570
@anthonyrodriguez2570 3 жыл бұрын
@@zsxking right I completely agree Any hydroxide breaks down and becomes bicarbonate I think this is where integrating Randy’s method for addition and experimenting from that know starting point would be the route I would go as well as regular Alk testing. I wish I had an Alktronic or something for automated testing to make sure things aren’t going to out of bound.
@Oceancharter
@Oceancharter Жыл бұрын
Did you do a follow up on the potassium hydroxide dosing? I have the same problem as discussed, while dosing Kalk 2 gallon a day to keep my ph around 8.3, my evaporation can’t keep up… (and my salinity drops) so I need a more potent solution to combine with a dally 1 gallon 12.0 ph Kalk solution. Any suggestions? = start slowly? 1 drop/30min 1/3 mix potassium hydroxide mix and see what happens 😱? 160gl system…
@douglasachaiba7885
@douglasachaiba7885 2 ай бұрын
Those reds and pinks came from the higher potassium levels.... The growth came from the higher potency of the hydroxide.
@Reefahholic
@Reefahholic 3 жыл бұрын
From what I see, Potassium Hydroxide doesn't really have a pH that much higher than Calcium Hydroxide (Kalk) which has a pH of about 12.4.
@enderslee
@enderslee 3 жыл бұрын
caoh 1.5g per 1 liter, koh 100g/liter, 66 times more (oh)
@paulfoxgrover7719
@paulfoxgrover7719 3 жыл бұрын
@@endersleeCAOH is not very concentrated true, but it raises ca and alk without adding salt. What is the difference KOH compared to NAOH? I can't think of a good reason to link my K and my alk supplimemtation like with KOH.
@Atalantum
@Atalantum 3 жыл бұрын
Potassium hydroxide is a poor choice imo when you can use sodium hydroxide instead. Why play balancing act with potassium instead of sodium? We already deal with that dosing 2 part plus the sodium you add through NaOH isn't significant.
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes 3 жыл бұрын
I have debated trying that one. or possibly a blend of the two. future experiments!
@Atalantum
@Atalantum 3 жыл бұрын
@@ReefDudes perhaps future KZfaq material ;)
@golfinusa
@golfinusa 3 жыл бұрын
For those of us foolish enough to brave this venture, where are you getting your supply of Potassium Hydroxide?
@golfinusa
@golfinusa 3 жыл бұрын
This was a serious question btw
@shoja7264
@shoja7264 3 жыл бұрын
eBay
@daeliesreef5213
@daeliesreef5213 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, this guy literally has no idea how kalkwasser contributes to alkalinity in a reef tank, it's crazy to see him try to explain it.
@ricardocarneiro7797
@ricardocarneiro7797 3 жыл бұрын
Show some respect for a reefer that touches more corals in a week than you will your entire life, the chemical formula doesnt matter as long as you understand the effects actions have on your reef
@daeliesreef5213
@daeliesreef5213 3 жыл бұрын
@@ricardocarneiro7797 Just because he touches more corals in a week doesn’t garner my respect, nor should it. It’s not just that he doesn’t know the chemical formula, he straight up DOESN’T understand the effect on the reef, he sat there saying CaOH shouldn’t have any effect on alkalinity. That’s clearly not understanding the effect, as you put it.
@ReefDudes
@ReefDudes 3 жыл бұрын
@@daeliesreef5213 You dont have to be a scientist to share your findings. At the end of the day if coral is growing much faster its a good thing.. regardless of if you know the exact science behind it. Its some solid anecdotal results! I will would be thrilled if my corals started growing 30%+ faster!
@ricardocarneiro7797
@ricardocarneiro7797 3 жыл бұрын
@@daeliesreef5213 what he meant is having higher PH stops the loss of alkalinity in order to compensate for the carbonic acid created at lower ph. We all dose buckets of alkalinity solution into our tanks to make up for the fact we have lower ph and more hydrogen and CO2 than we should in home reeftanks, hydroxides from kalwasser will react with the CO2 in the water to form bicarbonates this is the bit it was missing from his explanation, but this is not necessarily what he was trying to convey which was that at a higher ph you will need to dose less alkalinity buffer because there is less dkh lost to buffer acidic water
@daeliesreef5213
@daeliesreef5213 3 жыл бұрын
@@ReefDudes Anecdotal evidence is great. That's not what I'm saying. He spent half the video talking about how his alk shot up and he has no idea why. There's several minutes of him explaining this (wrongly) to viewers that will think, "oh hey, he's a coral farmer, he must know what he's talking about," and this misinformation gets passed on and anyone that might try this will have no idea about the ionic imbalance created by dosing this. Anecdotal results are great, spreading bad information isn't.
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