High Vacuum Chamber Basics, Part 2 - Atmospheric to 1e-6 Torr Pumpdown Procedure

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Sam Zeloof

Sam Zeloof

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@philip2.2.12
@philip2.2.12 Жыл бұрын
At work we use the IKR 250 as our cold cathode ionisation gauge. It’s quite easy to maintain and very reliable.
@Liquid_Truth
@Liquid_Truth 9 ай бұрын
this channel is blowing my mind.
@dumitrubalaci4820
@dumitrubalaci4820 3 жыл бұрын
You should check your roughing pump as the noise it makes when you start is not normal, has to release some oil fumes but not to get that noisy and I am talking about a turbo pump I have that gets to a 5.0-8. On fully running capacity at 816Hz of the turbo and the gate valve open, the roughing pump should be very silent, but I can hear a sharp noise from it.
@Tonyneg
@Tonyneg Жыл бұрын
Old comment but 100% this, that pump sounds very bad
@LaurentLaborde
@LaurentLaborde 4 жыл бұрын
so he hoooked up stuff i don't understand to even more complex and obscure stuff in order to have a pressure cooker sized chamber with measurable nothingness. I love it
@dtiydr
@dtiydr 3 жыл бұрын
2:31 That pump sounded in a way that I have never heard a 2-stage pump sound like.
@SamZeloof
@SamZeloof 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that thing was fckd broken vanes
@alanstarkie2001
@alanstarkie2001 4 жыл бұрын
I'd love a turbo pump but since I was gifted with a decent Edwards Diffstak diffusion pump, I'll be using that for now probably with a cooled baffle. I'm only interested in AR coating using evaporation and sputtering for now. Nice set up you have :)
@hsdengineering
@hsdengineering 4 жыл бұрын
Man you have an awesome setup. You seem pretty competent but if you ever need repair for any of that equipment that is what we specialize in.
@chiying2772
@chiying2772 Жыл бұрын
bro ,it’s a dope video! from Leybold sales in Taiwan
@c0rwh0r36
@c0rwh0r36 3 жыл бұрын
Great videos.
@thomasbenoy8474
@thomasbenoy8474 2 жыл бұрын
Cool! I used to just use a turbo-pump to achieve 10-5 bar for our optical gas cells. Interesting video! It would be very useful if you can list the components used ( including the company and everything!), I used swagelok VCR parts, perhaps it needs more specialized tubing and connectors. You should certainly use this as an educational tool :)
@------_____----
@------_____---- 3 жыл бұрын
I work for Edwards, I haven’t seen one of those pumps in ages
@johnnycash4034
@johnnycash4034 3 жыл бұрын
Send me some stuff please
@pavellelyukh5272
@pavellelyukh5272 3 жыл бұрын
all the stuff probably old that's how he probably bought it
@dogodogo5891
@dogodogo5891 4 жыл бұрын
how could you got so many fancy stuff in first place? actually this is the most hitech private workshop ive seen in youtube and i think in some part you surprassed ben from applied science himself,
@jparniawski
@jparniawski 2 жыл бұрын
eBay - I work at a place assessing these parts for resale/reuse/etc.
@sagarshinde3757
@sagarshinde3757 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent and very informative video!!! Thanks for sharing. What is the volume of chamber? The system which I have seen takes around 10-15 mins to reach 3E-7 Torr pressure from atmospheric pressure for 20L of volume.You were running it for around 25 mins so was wondering about volume. BTW I am newbie at this and trying to learn.
@user-lc6rl2tj1i
@user-lc6rl2tj1i 3 жыл бұрын
Good job thanks.
@Daedronus
@Daedronus 6 жыл бұрын
you could try to replace some of the permanent viton oring seals with indium wire, should reduce the diffusion rate a bit/get to better vacuum?
@kagz100
@kagz100 2 жыл бұрын
love this
@TheClumsyFairy
@TheClumsyFairy 5 жыл бұрын
Hey really nice videos. Just a thought, tell us how the stuff does what it does. I found you just because I wanted to know what a turbo molecular pump works (with there no being any air) I think I have figured it out now, but this stuff is fascinating. You made me go to eBay to see if the kit was within my budget. I have wanted to build a fuser for ages now. Thank you loads for your work, you should have a metric fuck ton more suns than you have at the moment.
@Teth47
@Teth47 4 жыл бұрын
Turbomolecular pumps are pretty simple in principle. If you look down inside one it looks kind of like a jet engine, and that's on purpose. A turbomolecular pump is a specialized kind of axial compressor, it works by arranging the rotor and stator vanes such that when the rotor's spinning, it's overwhelmingly likely that any gas particle that enters the pump will travel further into it. The main difference between a turbomolecular pump and any other sort of axial compressor is that it's optimized for really low pressures, and as a result, is built more to whack individual gas molecules toward the outlet, rather than treating the aggregate of gas particles like a single "thing". That way as gas particles randomly bounce around inside the chamber, whenever they happen to bounce toward the pump, they generally don't find their way back into the chamber. That's also why the inlet of the pump is so big despite it not handling large volumes of gas well.
@nonstopscott007
@nonstopscott007 5 жыл бұрын
Loved this video. What are you thoughts on the space station using o rings on Coppola window shades? Thanks for your opinion.
@fireballxl-5748
@fireballxl-5748 2 жыл бұрын
Don't know what he thinks but it's impossible to seal the windows or anything else in the -17 Torr of "outer" space. We can't even seal the fuel tanks on the SR71 Blackbird. They leak fuel when the plane is on the ground until it flies and gets up to speed and the titanium warms and expands. Considering the much, much greater differences in temperature for "space" travel where is this unobtainium super material that seals the space station? Rocket fuel tanks? What material is it? I'd really like to hear from materials specialists and physicists.
@mikelspillemaekers1144
@mikelspillemaekers1144 3 жыл бұрын
What time does your roughing pump and turbopump take individually to get to their ultimate pressure?
@johnnycash4034
@johnnycash4034 3 жыл бұрын
What type of baratron do you use there and do you have the wiring diagram and corresponding voltage to pressure chart? Not sure how you tell the pressure from the volts? On the baratron is that a rs232 connector?
@bigfoottoo2841
@bigfoottoo2841 3 жыл бұрын
Cool. Thanks
@gregbradshaw8679
@gregbradshaw8679 Жыл бұрын
awesome.
@lonniehand1386
@lonniehand1386 4 жыл бұрын
That is the dammest thing I ever seen for a vacuum chamber
@dtiydr
@dtiydr 3 жыл бұрын
2:09 Have exactly that one and they are really good, old as they are they are HP so good stuff.
@johnnycash4034
@johnnycash4034 3 жыл бұрын
What kind of heads do they use?
@dtiydr
@dtiydr 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnnycash4034 Pretty much any type of standard glass A/B tubes, G75 or G100 ones fex works perfect but also nude ones. But you then might have to tinker a little with it to get emission or such right since they have a little higher sensitivity than the glass ones. He use fex two tubes and at 2:36, you can see them as the one glass tube closest with a black band (its actually silvery like a mirror but seen black in this ange), have one my self, and little to the right another one with the blue connection plug on the bottom but that tube is totally clear.
@matthieuweber7194
@matthieuweber7194 5 жыл бұрын
Very nice video, useful for all scientists starting with vacuum systems :) in which lab are you working?
@jamesparker8529
@jamesparker8529 5 жыл бұрын
his garage
@byungjaelee5110
@byungjaelee5110 4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesparker8529 yup
@testovershoot
@testovershoot 4 жыл бұрын
You might wanna bake it to increase the vacuum level
@MekazaBitrusty
@MekazaBitrusty Жыл бұрын
Maybe a dumb question but why do you leave the mechanical pump running after you closed the valve that connects it to the chamber.
@brandyjupiter7785
@brandyjupiter7785 3 жыл бұрын
That is impressive, what would be the forces acting on the chamber at 10 -6 torr?
@aj7utu
@aj7utu 2 жыл бұрын
About the same as the forces at 1 torr (why?) Atmospheric pressure on each surface.
@nicktrianuk
@nicktrianuk 4 ай бұрын
Do you think it is possible to seal this chamber with a zipper?
@douro20
@douro20 7 жыл бұрын
Those pumps don't look very old. BTW are you the same Sam Zeloof who co-owns a racing fabrication business?
@jamesparker8529
@jamesparker8529 4 жыл бұрын
no he's not
@moonpiespotlight4759
@moonpiespotlight4759 Жыл бұрын
Cool, no chiller?
@poly_hexamethyl
@poly_hexamethyl 4 жыл бұрын
2:33 Yow! What's that awful clicking sound when you start the backing pump? Sounds like there's something broken in there?! I like your neat, organized lab.
@danchoivanov9686
@danchoivanov9686 4 жыл бұрын
that's normal when you start up mechanical roughing pumps. it's due to cavitation and goes away after it runs for a bit.
@juandelasuerte6156
@juandelasuerte6156 6 жыл бұрын
Is such a vaccum the same as in outer space? Can u therfor make tests how meterials would react to such a vaccum like it is in space? Iam asking because there is a lot of discussion going on about the Car SpaceX has put in space. Could a car tire survive the Vaccum of Space if any aire is in it?
@frtard
@frtard 6 жыл бұрын
No, this is _far_ from space. That's many orders of magnitude higher. That's some serious vacuum and is really difficult to achieve compared to this.
@Chaostheory51
@Chaostheory51 6 жыл бұрын
I actually ran the thermal vacuum chamber to bake out the tires that got put on the Tesla they shot up. The tires after the bake out were surprisingly still well intact. However, I have no doubt that they would shred instantly if they were ever actually driven on again. The two tires (they only launched 2 tires and put mass simulators on the side facing away from the camera) that SpaceX actually baked out left a good 1-2 gallons of goo when done that smelled of death.
@Chaostheory51
@Chaostheory51 6 жыл бұрын
And the tire would survive with air in it but the seal would fail and allow the air inside to escape before any catastrophic failure in the tire itself.
@A2J_Tim
@A2J_Tim 5 жыл бұрын
how come elon said it was a normal car that was not prepped at all for space?
@Chaostheory51
@Chaostheory51 5 жыл бұрын
@@A2J_Tim I don't recall seeing that. The gas and oil was removed and only 2 tires attached for the camera to see. IDK if they did anything to the interior.
@lonniehand1386
@lonniehand1386 4 жыл бұрын
I got to ask what in the hall do u do with that
@AA-gl1dr
@AA-gl1dr 3 жыл бұрын
you use it to do experiments under high vacuum
@jasonengblom2993
@jasonengblom2993 4 жыл бұрын
What are you sputtering?
@blitzbrain
@blitzbrain 2 жыл бұрын
What would happen, if you put a coke can inside? Would it blow up?
@IvanStepaniuk
@IvanStepaniuk 3 жыл бұрын
Why do these high vacuum chambers look like they could withstand a trip to the Mariana trench if they are only going to be subjected to 1 ATM?
@ismailerdem2060
@ismailerdem2060 7 жыл бұрын
Test vacuum chamber
@dtiydr
@dtiydr 3 жыл бұрын
Not a bad hobby with a couple of $1000 there for sure in equipment, even used and from Ebay these things cost. Just the chamber is for sure several $100.
@TheProsnurfer
@TheProsnurfer Жыл бұрын
i bet tha whole setup is 10k being cheap on it. work in the industry and that stuff costs. hell vcr gaskets can be 100$'s. hes using metal gaskets could use some viton o rings for cheap. just for perspective my co worker told me he had to replace a oring for a ion implanter and the o ring cost 5k...
@dtiydr
@dtiydr Жыл бұрын
@@TheProsnurfer At least 10k no doubt and if all new easy at least 200k+. The gaskets can be expensive if big, meta gaskets is key for low vacuum but when only 1e-6 torr its not really necessary but it could help getting down faster since they don't outgas anything, but viton doesn't either.
@yomamafatoshi
@yomamafatoshi 4 жыл бұрын
13:00
@johnnycash4034
@johnnycash4034 3 жыл бұрын
So I cannot use aluminium as a chamber?
@Mateo-wf1yz
@Mateo-wf1yz 15 күн бұрын
Not for very high vacuum, you need stainless steel rated for very high vacuum. But for a hobby vacuum chamber with not so high vacuum you could use aluminum.
@alex.bragin
@alex.bragin 3 жыл бұрын
So, that's pumping down to 1e-5, not 6! :-D (nitpicking here)
@fireballxl-5748
@fireballxl-5748 2 жыл бұрын
it's impossible to seal the windows or anything else in the -17 Torr of "outer" space. We can't even seal the fuel tanks on the SR71 Blackbird. They leak fuel when the plane is on the ground until it flies and gets up to speed and the titanium warms and expands. Considering the much, much greater differences in temperature for "space" travel where is this unobtainium super material that seals the space station? Rocket fuel tanks? What material is it? I'd really like to hear from materials specialists and physicists.
@nori-atneplynobrac3912
@nori-atneplynobrac3912 6 жыл бұрын
I'm reading 1e-5 Torr... am i mistaken?
@Punk1044
@Punk1044 6 жыл бұрын
he said after days or weeks it would get to -6
@davidchoi6068
@davidchoi6068 Жыл бұрын
Old mist is hazard to your health. Why don't U buy an oil mist filter or vent the exhaust of Edward's oil pump?
@iPROFITDON
@iPROFITDON 5 жыл бұрын
I'm scared and confused.
@SamZeloof
@SamZeloof 5 жыл бұрын
+iPROFITDON it’s ok
@thth1236
@thth1236 4 жыл бұрын
6 looks like b
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