or a "the end justifies the means"

The people were already infected, dead, and would’ve spread... would you have preferred he left them there to overrun the wild life, and neighboring settlements? This is one thing I never understood. And then the light chose to not support him??? Okay we all know the light is a fucking dick head. Arthus actually didn’t do anything wrong at first.

@@ReptarTheUgly I don't think the light left him cause he cleansed the cities but because he doubted himself and the actions he was doing.

@@endlessslumber441 That's the sad part. He was doing the logically right thing, despite his feelings telling him no. His superiors instead listened to feelings (Uther), because they're afraid to lose the light, instead of actually trying to help the people.

@@ReptarTheUgly Because how the Light works has been retconned since this was first written.

Bcs Jaina is a dreadlord ofc

Whats with Kalecgos tho

@@dunstless He will eventually

@@dunstless technically, he was a raid boss. Tbc Sunwell.

Dogmelter42 Wasn’t that before he tapped jaina tho ?

But it worked until Illidan invaded Northrend and the Lich King lost power over her. Again, it was just a good intention.

@@rankovasek1987 How was it a "good intention"? He did is specifically to torture her.

@@Alknix "here I just murdered most of your people, destroyed your lands, and defiled your graves as well as cursing your remaining people to a pseudo crack withdrawal. I hope you enjoy my gift of living eternally by my side in service of a bigger cause then yourself."

@@ICCUWANSIUT Oddly enough, Sylvanas after death was never defined by her relations to the fall of Quel'thalas, but by the pain and suffering she, personally, experienced since.

Maybe he knows what’s Sylvanas next step was Look at illidan arthas make his path to claim that power he now wield and now he its important to keep sargeras in prison I think he turnes sylvanas for later to keep the jailer at Prison And i think to Denathrius leads him not the Jailer 😏

A lot of things in Warcraft were simply dull... If Jaina was uncertain if what Arthas was doing was totally wrong, ok then, but Uther!? I can't understand why he didn't intervened

I watch my tone with you old man...

friends or family should stop you when you are about to do something stupid both in this case and irl

@@Heron11177 pretty sure it was covered in the video bud.

@@TheEgoa Damn it Arthas, order me to purge this city!

What is this supposed to be

You didn't get the quote quite right…

@@348joey sry it's been a long time I thought it would be wrong

@@ironic4910 Meh, understandable, I guess. I've just play the game so many times… Too many times… For anyone mildly interested: "The Runeblade, Frostmourne, was enchanted by the Lich King with the power to steal souls. Yours was the first one it claimed." "Then I'll make do without a soul. What is the Lich King's will?"

@@348joey I think it's: "Then I'll make do without one. What is the Lich king's will?" Arthas never says the word soul.

Not really. I'll say Tirion was better. The strong point of Arthas was his story from W3, not WoW

Wow what an original opinion!

wrath story was shit, the only thing the lich king did was "haha losers I'll get you next time".

play wotlk warmane then

@@esfmankocev Nixxiom quote

interesting take

Thank you! In front of all the deep fantasy story was a surface story of a man traumatised by war and the choices he was faced with, that is ultimately what makes him such a sympathetic character if you followed him from Warcraft.

Zugzug Zugzugson implying you are about to die?

Cool I get to meet the prince! :D

@@Tomoyo0827 implying i'm about to get purged, obviously.

The whole USA must be purged!

If darkness calls, answer him... he doesn’t like to wait.

Same, would have served him in life and in death. No matter what

@@ky20855 covid can be treated being a zombie can't plus that's fake news

Helyx the plague and corona are very different things and the plague was affecting only the people of Lordaeron not literally every country like corona

@@ky20855 coronavirus doesnt have a 100% fatality rate. Also, coronavirus doesnt *literally turn you into an undead slave who will bring ruin to all of civilization.* You better believe if it did then I'd be the first one.

Because a Paladin couldn't have prayed for the power to heal the sick, right? No no, let's just slaughter people! Oops it turns out that didn't work.

You just defined every April Fools video of Hiru ;b

The words April fools are hidden in the description of the video

i felt the same way about his garrosh one

@@Deleralia Garrosh was a terrible leader, and he doesn't have the excuse of being mind controlled. Even if you disregard all of the war crimes he committed against the Alliance and the neutral Pandaren, he repeatedly displayed his total inadequacy as a leader of the Horde. And benign incompetence is one thing in a leader, but Garrosh intentionally tore the Horde apart. He sought to elevate orcs above everyone else, and gave no thought to the needs and desires of the other races within the Horde. He saw the non-orcs among the Horde as nothing more than expendable soldiers, and it costed him virtually all of his allies. One by one, he gave every single one of the non-orc races a reason to despise him and turn against him in the end. He killed Cairne Bloodhoof and turned the Tauren against him, he attempted to dictate the Forsaken's methods of waging war while simultaneously encouraging them to start bloody wars with the Alliance that they couldn't win by conventional means, he forced the Blood Elves to take the fall for stealing the Divine Bell (Which led to them being exiled from Dalaran and having many of their people imprisoned or killed), he tried to assassinate Vol'jin simply for speaking out against his rule, he refused to pay the Goblins for the extremely dangerous work of unearthing the Heart of Y'Shaarj, and he kidnapped and tortured the leader of the Huojin Pandaren. By the end, he had an unclouded intent to tear the Horde apart and remove all races except orcs from the face of the planet. He had bad intentions from the beginning, and he committed numerous atrocities in order to fulfill those intentions.

@@dragonslair951167 from the beggining he killed his general, because he killed innocents. I think he wasnt bad from the beggining.

Tichondrius, you mean?

Its not varimathras..it's tichondrius

100% It takes a very well written and made character to be involved from start of an expansion to the end with no need for some super duper reveal.. only wotlk achieved that. All other baddies have needed twists and secret reveals to keep players interested...

Sargeras was the real overal big baddie, and they kind of fucked that whole thing all up pretty badly imho. If you knew anything about the books or the "deeper lore" then Sargeras was the start of everything. Arthas i still agree has the best story arch of them all and is still my favorite Last final boss. Once WotLk was does the only other expansion that would of made sense is Legion coming straight back into Azeroth for the final killing blow. The rest of the xpacs could of focused on infighting and horde vs alliance but they did it backwards.

Agreed. This is why I quit playing WOW after WotLK. Somehow pandas didn’t strike the same fear in me as the Lich King...

Arthas was the best but that is because YOU the player start out the human campaign with this hero thats just a regular guy who cares about his kingdoms citizens and loves his father and teacher and has feelings for that hawt mage chick he grew up with. He was relateable and realistic. Might just be wearing rose colored glasses but i will never forget how emotionally invested in that story i was.

@@sumbody694 Well, the problem with Sargeras is that he is a cosmic threat. Arthas was tangible as a villain. Sargeras on the other hand was some abstract bad guy we didn't really have any connection with.

....Years playing WoW and I still didn't got the damm Horse!!!

You got that right, Capt Grim - that's why I ended up buying Invincible on the black market. Soooo tired of grinding for year after year. PS: So when's your next video going to drop? :-D

Love your content mate.

Almost as bad as that one guy who has nothing going for him in life except being a good dps in a video game, and that he needs to prove it.

Hi there Grim, I crave for a new machinima.

Tbh so did the guy in RS before Hallion. Calls us *capable allies* instead of something like *worthless mortals*

Hell yeah! Being evil alliance rules

maybe the true bad guys are the friends we made along the way

Same goes for Argus, he was tortured by Sargeras

Not archimonde and nzoth

Big if trUe

Well don’t worry its being purged now

Goddammit I laughed at that

"How can you even consider that? theres got to be some other way"

If he didnt turn evil, he would be a normal paladin and great king. Frostmourne and the Helm of Domination is what gave him immense power.

Vince Narciso and drove him insane!!!!

@@DmkzWerty He would be a very well learned paladin (taught by Uther) and a legendary-grade (taught by Muradin) warrior-king with access to some of the best stuff on Azeroth. So basically Varian Wrynn with bonus paladin powers

they covered the alternate timeline in one of the cataclysm books, in that arthas becomes king, marries jaina and the world all round is better

nah cuz yogg saron would have tore their ass upright

@Sightless_Seeker in short: bunch of incompetent jackasses

That's because he was written way before WoW was a thing

That's because he was written by Michael Moorcock.

@Sightless_Seeker true but what he says is still true. Who wouldn't bang sylvanas though

I think a big thing of why so many people like Arthas is that he is one of if not the first negative character arc that is not only in a game but you go through as the protagonist. Atleast I personally can't remember a negative arc for a protagonist that I played before Warcraft 3.

@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly Did you really just take his comment that it's march 32nd seriously? Humanity is doomed.

Would press the Reset Button if I could There are only 31 days in march.

@@FreedomAndPeaceOnly pretty bruh moment. We're doomed because of you i guess xd

Arthas was a bad dude. Quit trying to act like he wasn't. You're really shitting all over Bolvar's sacrifice.

It's uploaded at April 2 here in the Philippines lol

Your Father someone then rides by on a bike and calls them gay

ARTHASSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!

JUSTICE!

if he didn’t he wouldn’t have gone to the maw. It would not have been that surprising if he ended up in bastion. Because arthas in a sense died the day he picked up frostmorn.

@@kevind3974 most likely the place where you are acuuse like kael (Forgot the name) because in those guy eyes dosent count of you did the right thing or not

...right

Oh look its an arthas fanboy!

@@perseverance6994 and for good reason

Perseverance *Fangirl* actually

@@vikkran401 its a joke brother I,myself am an illidan fanboy

What?

Awsome1053 memes watch Arthuses death cutscene, and then any of the cutscenes from wc3 made 5 years earlier when blizzard was a tenth of the size

This is why I don't get why people insist WotLK was some pinnacle of storytelling. It took the ending of its most well-written character and made it a disappointment with MMO storytelling. It's pitiful compared to what a Warcraft 4 could have given us :/

It worked until Illidan weakend the Lich King

@im nobody special Wait... Are we the baddies? 🤔

@im nobody special Not the C'thun himself we do some work for old god Yogg'saron

@@DisastrousIntentionally kael wasn't really working for kj, rather with him. He had his needs and kj his own. It's not like kael became a servant of kj.

@UtherSwagBringer you killed him because he worked with the Legion after you've killed him kil'jaeden get full control of keal'thas but the main reason that keal worked with the Legion was to restore the sunwell and making his people great once again but you know what happened in the end😵

no he wasn't. He was unknowingly controlled by Yogg-Saron. What does the spirit of Terenas Menethil say to him? "No King rules forever my son". One of Yogg's voice lines is "No King rules forever, only death is eternal". When you pull him he also calls himself the "God of Death": a line which they foreshadowed in the patch trailer (Varian "may this death-god take you all"), so it has to be important. Why would Yogg say that? How could that possibly be true? Because, Kil'jaeden made one fatal error when he created the Lich King. He failed to realize that Saronite is the blood of Yogg-Saron. That Yogg can influence anyone who is in the vicinity of it. Icecrown is made almost entirely out of Saronite. Ask yourself. After the fight with Arthas, we were dead. We didn't need to run back to our bodies. Terenas Menethil resurrects us. HOW???? The number of characters capable of true resurrection canonically can be counted on one hand. Terenas Menethil wasn't even a paladin or any kind of magic-user. It's one thing to think Uther's spirit might have been capable of that, but Terenas? But Yogg-Saron, would certainly be. Yogg-Saron was simply using the guise of Terenas' spirit to influence Arthas. Also ask yourself this: why did Yogg-Saron break free when he did? Why scare the crap out of Brann Bronzebeard? He could have just let the dwarf document Ulduar. At any normal time, he probably would have. But we were about to assault Icecrown when it was unprepared. Yogg needed to make a distraction. He just didn't think we'd be able to free the Keepers. The original plan wasn't for the Lich King to kill us himself atop Icecrown. It was for Yogg-Saron to kill us in Ulduar, where the Lich King could come and raise us at his leisure. When Tirion managed to break Frostmourne, Yogg-Saron decided we were of more use fully alive than undead. Note that it is also "Terenas" who says that there must always be a Lich King. Bullshit. He was just trying to gain control over Tirion, because he'd just screwed up the plans. Then Bolvar came by and ruined everything. Just imagine if Bolvar hated you AND you were stuck with him forever. Yeah, even Old Gods have limits. Yogg let Sylvanas win that fight.

MrMhtmht Sylvanas: Wants everybody dead so they can "live" forever together 🧟‍♂️🧟‍♀️ 😂

T4Bag4life Blizzard: she’s MORALLY GREY!!1

asmRTPOP She sure is! Just like Blizz nowadays 👀

@@asmrtpop2676 Nah fam Sylvanas is evil as fk But that's why i love her 😂😂

so did hitler^^

His father called the troops back, it is not being unable to keep one's troops in line. Though I do not think it was a nice move.

The turning point for arthases destiny was litearlly stratholme. I still believe if uther either fought or relucantly accepted arthases plan uther would have been proven wrong the moment they stepped into strat an d realise that arthases choice was the correct one. if he stood by as malganis challenged arthas to follow the path of revenge by going to northrend he could have convinced arthas that it was not worth it since there were still things that they needed to clean after the whole mess.

@@ZergMeTaSWORM Problem wasn't Uther not believing him, it was him not wanting to kill innocent people.

@@theseeker7692 Uther, as Arthas's mentor and the head of the Silver Hand, had every obligation to stay and keep Arthas from going down that dark path. Uther failed Arthas by not being there when he needed him the most.

@@spikem5950 this is what people fail to see They say arthas randomly turned evil 1.that make no sesne why go all the strugle to destroy your worst enemy and then be like he i wanna join you 2.people forged this line that explained what happand to arthas 'the runeblade you carry was empowered by the lich king to stole soul you was tbe first that it claimed' So how can you say that arthas randomly turned evil No here is what happend After he took the blade and killed mal'ganis the blade took his soul After but a small fraction of it remained as we can see at the end of the wrath of the lick king arthas small god side tried to pull back the lick king Arthas but as the lick king was more powerfull than him in the end there was non remaining of him until his death where the blade was shatred and his body was still there and returned And they uther was something. Like screw you this is justice(Vengeance) So in the end Is was uther and jaina fault for lordaeron fall Because if these 2 werent idiot and did something arthas would have never become the lick King But then again we would have his cool story so you take how you want it

Rdr2 for more horse crying:'(

@@JL.T. So true.. i cried hard there :c

Read the book about Arthas, it hurts even more

Right so arthas soul went into Frostmourne. It's like in Supernatural Season 6 where Sam has no soul, the idea is that things like compassion, empathy, and love come from your soul. Without the soul you're left with the neutral and negative aspects of your personality leaving a net negative. It was his soulless personality that clashed with the Nerzhul, and then became the dominant personality in the lich King persona. BUT since he was the lich King and had access to the sword and thus the souls his good soul had a small tether to try and abate him. Sensing this he cut out his heart, maybe because it represented his the memories of before, the destruction of this weekend him because our current self is the culmination of everything in our live up to that point (Illidan: "I AM my scars"). When the sword broke his soul went back to his body and he's like 'ugh, that fucking sucked' but he still goes to hell or whatever because betraying those mercenaries was fucking evil and he DID still have his soul at that point.

He says it scars the soul but by then it was all too late arthas had lost his soul fairly before that when he decided to follow malganis without uther and far more when he killed those mercenaries.

Well the fact he said he'd pay any price and do anything for that power before he got to claim Forstmourn. Means he chose to pay any price. In that momment he did do Wrong

@@kyles6813 yea to save his people until that point he thought that if he kill mal'ganis the scourge shall be undone but we was tricked in tooking the sword

@@simionmatei9715 true

If he had not cut his heart out MAYBE Arthas would have lived when Frostmourne got shattered But that's still doubtful

Actually back in wotlk there was a rly cool questline to destroy his heart and week him, which led to killing him in the raid

Bruh, he literally destroyed his ships and then blamed the people who helped him do it on it. He was a depraved, arrogant and dumb piece of shit that deserved what he got.

@dopey I mean... There is quite a glaring plot hole there though. If Arthas and the Valks can resurrect anyone at any time, and the Scourge 100% equals the world being destroyed.... Couldn't he have just released the Scourge anyway, then raise all of the notably strong people (or just everyone), including the would-be champions, and then just..... Win by default? Even if you say "well the Scourge would have suffered losses" .... He could have just raised those back again too... And it's not like everyone can just cower in Light's Hope forever. Eventually they're just going to be starved out and die-- you don't even have to assault the place, just siege it into the ground.

Priotese Cosmin anything before northrend he was in the right but when he got to northrend he was a villain

@@CurtDegree Arthas was arrogant. That simple. He wasnt interested in killing the world he wanted to play around and find strong people. just like garrosh "come to my super fortress and face my horrors"

No, the book make you think he is pure evil. There is solide evidence in game that has good inside of him, hell The Lich King itself say he was a shaman long time ago, and arthas was a paladin for all of his life beside frostmourne.

You know the drill. Kerrigan was a woman. It was the same issue with Sylvanas at the end of the day, because god forbid letting them fall as the villains they were prompted up to be.

you don't even need to look into starcraft for an example, there's already sylvanas in the warcraft lore, and the funny thing is that both sylvanas and kerrigan have one thing in common that Arthas doesn't : a pussy

All you need to know is the "race tielist" blizzard made for Overwatch

Arthas chose to do terrible things, after he got the blade there's an argument there but everything from the culling to getting the blade was all him. Kerrigan was taken by the swarm and fought almost to the end before that, it's kinda different

@@JJJBunney001 the culling and getting the blade were all things a prince does to save his people, rash? Yes but not morally wrong

*ending him rightly intensifies*

@@svilendenchev9984 new theory: Arthas never unscrewed the pommel of Frostmourne; this must mean that Frostmourne's pommel was an extremely powerful weapon

Well said. For me Arthas is kind of a hero. Sounds bad, but he did what needes to be done. There was no time to line up a city and vax them all. I hated to see him as a raid boss :( would prefer if they had made the scourge into a faction with warriors, death knights, necromancers, hunters and what not.

@@Jayll1984 me too! I rerolled death knight just to be as close as possible to any scourge lol (silly) and fulfill any duties for my king 🥶💙

@@Gorre022 like in Lotro you had the creeps. Wouldve loved to defend Icecrown or do invasions 😅

"when in fact it was Ner’zhul that was the true villain" you must deeply hate the jailer by now pepeplaugh

@@lordstarscreamy329 lol 😭 such bad writing

true

But he could have wait that every one dies and doing it afterwards or fall back from the city for example to defend lordaeron city. With these plans Uthar and Jaina would have supported him.

@@teejay4034 And let more undead to ran rampagers? No! Arthas was justified to do what he did it on Stratholme. There was no cure for the undead, death was the only solution.

@@linkzellda they were ran rampage already. They could have evacuate every town and village with organized fallback. The time day used to kill every living human and with fighting the undead , they could have just fallback and set the fight to a place that they control. As you mentioned Stratholme was beyond saving, so they should have to fall back. Specially because if he kills the people before turn, the undead can raise the manually dead ones too without the plague. If the corpses didnt burned. But burning the bodies is lot of time too, which can be used for preparing a next battle with more allies gathered.

@@teejay4034 And Arthas' plan is to prevent more rampagers, so he was justified to do what he did it.

@@linkzellda Yeah but the plan itself was less effective than any idea. Specially with the events afterwards. If he wouldn't went to northrend, defeating the ships to go home. They would have won the war. Also there was the option to travel west as Medivh told him. He wanted revenge on Malganis at that point, so he wasn't reasanable.

that makes perfect sense actually lol

Underrated

he let them live so he could prove he had the strongest army.. was just an ego thing lol besides, keeping them alive would allow them to reproduce, ultimately increasing the size of his army over time

the undead aren't a hivemind. they are not the zerg. individual necromancers, liches, banshees and acolytes do have individual minds. and even so does the simplest undead minions like skeletons, ghouls and abominations should Arthas's power be drained, just like it happens in the frozen throne campaign, however the simpler minions seem to just collapse and 'die' when that happens if no other being capable of harnessing control over undead is nearby (like say, a dreadlord or three) as opposed to the more powerful beings like necromancers (whom are actually not really undead, but living humans that have dedicated their lives to the scourge, presumably in hopes to gain immortality - like what happened to Kel'Thuzad).

It can work for both of them. Anakin and Arthas are pretty much the same in a lot of aspects. Except Jaina didn't die so......

Ur actually challangeing Darth Vader???

@@limanewb655 I'm talking warcraft mythos

"Father, is it over?" quote makes it irrelevant and fake. It was clearly a nightmare for him, which he realized after Frostmourne shattered. He was mind controlled, and a puppet of Ner Zhul.

What does Yaprilfools mean?

lnsidious I’m not sure whether to laugh or to cry at this comment

@@mthlily april fools is a annual custom (or tradition) on the first day of april, this tradition or custom is consisted of the practice of making jokes, tellin lies or/and hoaxes. i presume you are not american, but this custom is present in a lot of countries, including south american countries, where this day is called the day of the lie. sorry my english btw

@@lulizzz9500 rip

@@lulizzz9500 Whoosh!

Sightless_Seeker For the greater good.

@@primedecanus5301 Sergaras was doing the same btw lol

The "means" often become the "ends".

the ends don't justify the means, the means determine who you are