I remember how shocked i was when seeing the post-cata Sunken Tempel. I loved the old dungeon as it as well as BrD were the definition of DnD like dungeons in WoW.

Today I learned that Hiru and I have very different views on “Worst”.

The Caverns of Time dungeons were always my favorite. However, I realize now I’m just a lore nerd lol. Sunken Temple was my favorite classic dungeon before they changed it.

Sunken temple was like a 5 man raid. I actually loved it.

It really comes down to player priorities. I don’t need the dungeon to be quick, give me a sprawling lore-filled dungeon.

Tbh there are many in this list that i would regard as good dungeons.

I think that people didn't mind really big and confusing dungeons before things like various tokens and emblems and whatnot were introduced as rewards for completion. From then on everybody wanted just to finish the dungeon ASAP, because the reward wasn't locked behind actually doing stuff in the dungeon but just behind finishing it.

Cool intro title

idk man halls of reflection for me was scary af. seeing the lich king behind you and dpsing your hardest out of pure fear was amazing.

Aren't we forgetting one teensy-weensy but ever-so-crucial little tiny detail? THE CULLING OF STRATHOLME Love the video btw

What I get from this is that the majority of the community hate fun and interesting dungeon mechanics and designs.

I would name this "Most annoying dungeons" because they aren't designed in a way to hinder progress. All of these are still easily completable despite the add-mechanics and don't have a part like in Shadow Labyrinth and Ahn'Kahet: Old Kingdom where the boss forces your group to fight eachother and if 1 member is strong enough he could just kill you, so he has to remove his gear to make the boss beatable

Okay, Imagine if you had to do the Oculus every week (in mythic +)...Yeah Tol Dagar isn't that bad after all

Adding to the gnomeregan teleporter situation for horde: There is a random quest later on that falsely flags the teleporter quest as completed, so if you didn't do the quest while levelling, there's a decent chance you won't be able to get the porter.

I used to love the creepy feel of ST. It was magnificent fun. The revised version was akin to visiting a beloved relative who now has Alzheimer’s and no longer recognizes you.

Man....Escape from Durnholde is easily one of my favorite dungeons ever...

Hirumaredx on Halls of Reflection: "I'm playing both sides so that I always Win!"

What if they brought back MoP Scenarios but for caverns of time so they can put in as much past lore as they want without having to worry too much about dungeon balance?

It might be because my old WoW group was also my D&D group but I loved running The Sunken Temple multiple times back in BC.

Sunken temple is my favourite dungeon. I loved it in vanilla, it was time consuming but I loved that, felt very rewarding

11:53 I legit heard "Fight some blizzard employees" I had to rewatch that part to realize what he said

I still remember when I first played the Sunken Temple in Wrath. It was the first dungeon that truly felt like a dungeon. The group I was in was so patient and we did it from beginning to end, and it took us two hours to complete it. After Cata I thought the dungeon was removed because I never did see it anywhere in the game. People had told me it was the Sunken Temple, but I didn't believe them. It wasn't until several years later that I found out that they were in fact the same dungeon, except that it had been shortened to make the runs faster. It's a damn shame because I loved the original version.

Man how was the room with the orb in temple slow? Most classes could absolutely solo one side in less than 10 seconds.

I enjoyed Black Morass. Thought it was sort of challenging at the time. Running it many times for the Kara attunement on my Shaman I was always OOM lol.

Uh, i guess it really is a question of perspective what a good and a bad dungeon is

i remember the Epic Sword dropping in Sunken Temple and a hunter got it ...

temple of sethrallis was only bad in pugs, it was amazing in coordinated premades. Being able to shoot off heals to help final boss, use utility to help in add room, keeping an add alive for the hpala or disc priest to pump hps. So many things that rewarded being a premade party of 5.

"I can't faceroll it quickly nowadays, must be bad"

Gods, I remember people always dropping out for HoR. That sucked. I'm surprised Cata dungeons didn't make the list. Freakin' tanks would drop those left and right. That was horrible.

"Tol dagor was easily the most avoided dungeon" Shrine of the storm would like to have a talk with you. Easily my worst dungeon in the entire game. From the trash, the bosses and the layout. It's bad

Most of the dungeons on this list are among my favorites. lol About the only one I’d actually list as bad is Gnomregan. Sethralis was a ton of fun as someone who mains a Holy Priest.

back in de days..getting to the entrance of the sunken temple took more time than doing the whole dungeon today.

I have such fond memories of HoR. Like feral bear tanking it, and my paladin healer kept righteous fury up the entire time to, and I quote, "take less damage". Good times.

Escape from Durnholde also had a very cool scriped event in the Southshore tavern, as well as a trader that sells the shirts characters start with. This is actually the only way to optain them, as they are "bind of equip" and your character starts with one. This is also the location of the quest to get the giant sombrero.

I would probably replace some of the dungeons on this list because it was mostly wave/add dungeons, and felt a little stale. I can agree people don't like tedious dungeons like that, but that can't always define a worse dungeon. P.S. I hated Dire Maul.

I remember back in WotLK when halls of reflection when came out. As a healer, i always disliked that even sometimes being squished into a corner with the party, i would still somehow lose my line of sight for the tank/dps. I don't know how many times that dungeon infuriated me but also peaked my curiosity because of the story that was unfolding at the end. Definitely a love/hate feeling for that particular. I still say pit of saron, halls of reflection, and forge of souls are my top choices for fave dungeons.

I love all those Classic/Wrath dungeons they feel unique.

I LOVE halls of reflection sinply for the voicelines of the first bosses. When he says "Women, children...." the line just is so deep and intimidating

Oculus has a very special place in my heart. Imagine a young tauren druid who only recently got to max level in WotLK. Their brother told them to run heroic dungeons so they could get better gear. One of the first dungeons this druid ran was Heroic Oculus. They notice an epic mount listed on the drop list of the final boss in the loot table. The brother immediately tells their younger sibling not to get their hopes up, but the idea of flying a dragon never left their mind. The dungeon proceeds as it should. You see that there? Right there is a lootbag that holds pure possibility. With their brother watching the druid opened the bag and inside was a new friend. A companion to accompany this druid for years to come. Inside that bag were the Reins of the Blue Drake. Even though the young druid could not learn to ride their new friend yet, as they needed epic flight training, they were ecstatic. They put their future mount in the bank until the fateful day they could fly the skies of Azeroth atop their draconic steed… So yeah my view of Oculus is incredibly biased due to my darling Blue Drake. The dungeon itself wasn’t terrible but it also wasn’t that great. I personally loved the vehicle fights in WoW back then so even with all of its faults Oculus still holds a very happy memory for me. (^ - ^)

Hey Hiru. I appreciate you still bringing out great videos. Thank you good sir.

I found the last Boss in sethralis quite relaxing. Bc most of the time you had at least one spec that could do off-healing. I played prot pala and we could skip the first healing phase simply by using my lay on hands. Ofc there are some classes that weren't able to heal the boss, but there are few that are not able to heal themselves. In that phase the healing required was pretty low bc the only thing you had to do was avoiding frogs and killing them

I shall be honest that the occulus was my favorite dungeon to run. I enjoyed the break in the monotnous battle system during WOTLK.

I actually love Gnomeregan for the story, the items, and the atmosphere, plus I actually love long, meandering dungeons. But I've run it like 20 times and I still can't perfectly navigate it.

The modern sunken temple is so close to modern dungeons, it could easily be mythic+.

Actually, I loved the Oculus. I learned it well enough that, when I got Oculus in LFG, I could explain the final fight well enough that, even in a PUG, we could always get the achievements Ruby Void and Emerald Void.

Temple of Atal Hakkar was great in Vanilla

so you bassicly made ,,Top 10 slowest dungeons in WoW history" :D

My list for this would be every BfA dungeon.

The Original Sunken Temple is my most favourite dungeon of all time

Over half of these are great dungeons. Hell, the first two are big favorites of mine.

I think what's the most annoying part about the Occulus, and honestly any instance fight with vehicles as a whole, is "Hey you know your class? You know your *entire character's toolkit?* Your spells, talents, racial actives, consumes, trinkets, and any profession stuff? Yeah fuck that here's 4 buttons."

Shattered Halls is one-note, horribly designed, and buggy as all hell. Kargath being a lore character is its only saving grace imo it belongs on this list

I actually really liked Temple of Sethraliss because at the time I was playing a ret pally and I could pump decent hps with the healer on the last boss

Also Best dungeon ever is Waycrest Manor. I know its not relevant but I just wanted to say. Most of the BfA dungeons were sick tbh.

Hey Hiru! The lighting and contrast you have the settings are really nice! Would you mind sharing the settings you have them to

6:20 To note with Gnomregan, during Cataclysm, though you couldn't que up for it, you could enter the dungeon at level 20, and also, though I think they removed it eventually, you could get a raid group in there and as a raid, Gnomeregan was... surprisingly a LOT more fun that way. Makes me thing they should've actually made Gnomregan a raid instead of a dungeon knowing that. Or that could be just the fact that a 10-man Trial account raid was very hype at the time.

Black Moreass is #1 for me. Considering the random 7 min wait time after first boss, and the fact that one wipe on HC would ruin the entire run.

I actually loved the Occulus, but almost every tank bailed real quick.

I LOVE the Occulus. I did it countless times ON PURPOSE to help people get their achieves for that dungeon. Anytime someone needed to run it for any reason, I was always first in line to help (which always made people happy, me being a healer and all lol). I miss the days of running dungeons to just run them, instead of the current "must go fast" M+ mentality. It's the biggest reason I haven't run a dungeon in years.

I remember I did the original version of Atal’Hakkar for the first time and we soft locked it by accident because there was apparently an order to do literally everything in and nobody knew what it was.

I really like the "concept" of Tol Dagar, storming a prison sounds badass. The dungeon itself was one of my least favorites, sadly, for the very reasons you mentioned.

The original Sunken Temple is my favourite dungeon of all time! The atmosphere is spot on, and you have to swim to get it. At the time all those things were new and unique.

There's so much overlap between your "Top 10 Best dungeons list" and this one but you explained it well. I think controversy makes for a memorable play experience :)

Hey Hiru nice video, can you make a video about the history of secondary stats like percentages in classic, how armor penetration evolved from tbc to wotlk and multistrike in wod.

I miss old Atal'Hakkar. Damn whiners made Blizz ruin it D:

IMO Every "scripted" dungeon like Halls of Reflection or Violet Hold sucks so hard. It's just so annoying when you can't do things at your own pace - especially at later stages of expansions when people are overgeared.

Just throwing it out there, if you had to swap specs for Temple of Sethraliss, your groups were doing the last boss wrong. During the healing phase, there was supposed to be 1 add for disc priests to dps and heal the boss, any dps that touched it before the end of that phase screwed over the disc priest.

Speaking strictly on vanilla wow, I hated how the stockade had no bosses that dropped loot. I really felt like they gimped us a bit there. Gnomer was a bit annoying but wicked fun.

Seat of the Triumvirate could have made it also. Everything was so overtuned in mythic+ compared to the other dungeons of the expansion.

Temple of Sethrallis' last boss fight was where healers went to separate the men from the boys.

TIL people hate Black Morass. I loved that place, it was practically the only BC dungeon that wasn't 3 hallways leading to three (hideously unfriendly to melee dps) bosses. Plus if you timed Cloak of Skill right you could ignore the last boss's timestop and rack up dps while all the OP casters were frozen. Now, Heroic Arcatraz on the other hand... F that place forever.

I was pretty sure the Blackfathom Deeps would be on the list. I know many people don‘t like that dungeon, but it was my first dungeon I ever did in WoW back in the day. I loved it so much! Ahh the memories 💙

Occulus is a perfectly fine dungeon; once you learned the path it was cake and like most Wrath dungeons, you ran it plenty enough that it didn't take long to learn.

I’m surprised wailing caverns didn’t make the list. The whole instance is a huge maze, and back in the day it was really rare to actually find a committed group that would actually clear the dungeon. Also, there was that very annoying jump that someone would always fall down :/

I actually like half of the dungeons on this list. Sethraliss was probably the most entertaining all-around, Sunken Temple was fun because of design, Tol Dagor is actually pretty challenging yet incredible, and the 2nd Violet Hold is better than the first.

Recently I saw a video showing the most interesting and unique dungeons... Halls of Reflection and sunken temple was in the top 10... They take time, yes. But in the old days the experience was more epic than the epics !?! Seeing Arthas for the first time sending shivers...

I actually like sunken temple since i have the thing completely memorized so it is actually just a great and pretty fast experience, usually 35-60 min depending on classes and levels, overall i rate it a strong 7/10

Im still getting the shivers when i see oculus loading screen.

cool video! also to mention about tol dagor, overseer korgus (the last boss) had more health than any dungeon last boss in bfa, without any health removing mechanics like viq'goth for example which made it far harder

Love y'all. Your vids and streams are my yammmmm

ToS was such an easy key to time though.

I wouldn't call these "the worst dungeons" since that generally means bad design. Most of these are just fine, but people dislike doing them for convenience. So more appropriate name would be "most hated dungeons".

Nice job. So awesome!

Wow, Tol Dagor at #1 really threw me for a loop. Maybe I got lucky but I never had any of the different floor pulling issues throughout the expansion, regardless of what classes/corruptions we had in our groups. I also don't really understand the claim that it was the most avoided M+, as that was the complete opposite of my experience; instead, it was Shrine of the Storm which (rightfully) was avoided like the plague and guaranteed to be a dead key if you got it.

Sethrallis is only on this list because of you being a priest, I can promise you that :P Loved that place on Hpala Rdruid, and any tank/dps spec.

Part of the hatred for halls of stone was because Brann moved so extremely slow when you triggered the walk towards the guantlet boss. The boss itself took long, but brann walking there took another enternity. They fixed it towards the end of the expansion making him run instead of RP walk, but by then everybody hated it already.

Hiru: If it is not your standard, linear dungeon and if it has RP or trash waves mechanic, it is horrible.

*Shudders at Tol Dagor* I agree with this one. When I went hard and got KSM in season 4 BfA, that one was my last dungeon to get a +15 timed in. By the time I was doing it, I didn't have problems with mobs pulling through floors. But, I did have problems with people not being able to do boss and trash mechanics, or having low dps because of all of the camera issues with the tight corridors in the place. Overall, it was a tight timer for Pug groups, and many failed at and around the fire boss for me at least.

So honestly I actually liked Tol Dagor most of the time prior to the Corruptions, bosses have interesting mechanics and has fun interactions if u have keys/rogue in your team. But yeah, it would suck if something pulled an extra pack from another room

How wailing caverns didn’t make this list I do not know.

loved tol dagor giant harbor prison intro and entry. in the story its also amazing. it rlly does its job well.

Neat video. For the Caverns of Time, it's no wonder they made the concept into scenarios rather than dungeons in MoP and just single-player later. Btw, my worst dungeon is Spires of Ascension from SL, mainly for the fact that it is by far the most poorly optimized place in WoW. My PC is not the best, but it can handle all pre-Shadowlands content well, and even other SL dungeons at 30 FPS when I set it to low graphics. Except for SoA which runs at 10-15, no matter what I do. There is some effect in the sky that really eats resources and you can't even turn it off. I know this because if I focus on only the ground, the performance issue is solved. However, since you are up in the sky, during a mythic+ it's basically impossible to avoid looking outside, so welcome to the slide-show. SoA is a pretty meh dungeon on its own, but this aspect completely destroys any fun with it for me.

My most hated dungeon was oculus. The sheer thought of pulling a mob while flying caused me to leave

So essentially any dungeon you couldn't face roll a speed run through. Got it.

Vanilla Sunken Temple and Gnomeregan was amazing. The quest prep to do them and the ordeal to get to the dungeons were part of the fun

Hey I really like your choices for this list! I only differ from you on Temple of Sethrallis, this being because I am a healer, and I love to show off :P

I actually like most of these : / Occulus sucks tho.

People didn’t like Tol’dagor? It was one of the few dungeons that I actually liked before I left the game for a bit.

This is obviously the viewpoint of a retail player going back to run through old dungeons.

In regards to escape from Dunhold. I remember doing it at launch and there was a bug that stopped thrall from proceeding in his dialogue and he would just stand there. I think it was outside of the chapel.... Then you would have to reset it and start over .