to be fair a lot of the people who cried out for one werent the same people crying out for the other, it was just a matter of who was louder

I mean consider this, WotLK dungeons were fine at launch/ulduar but people had been farming them with ToC and ICC gear for more than a year by the time Cataclysm launched while TBC dungeons started out hard and evened out once people got higher tier gear. At that point dungeons were complete facerolls and when you've been facerolling the same dungeons over and over you might get the impression they are easy rather than you completely outgear the content. MoP was very similar and people could practically solo the launch dungeons with SoO gear and their maxed out legendary.

As someone who moved onto ff14. The dungeons were not harder, just full of lazy, shitty gimmicks

, then*

@@arforafro5523 I am not sure what your point is. Surely the people wanting harder dungeons wanted the TBC situation and the ones wanting easier dungeons wanted the Wotlk dungeons. You outgeared the wotlk dungeons (argueably even before you had heroic dungeon gear) much sooner than you did the TBC ones - it is not a perception issue, that was simply how it actually was numbers-wise.

Agreed. Zul'Farrak is my all time fav.

@@4523bgb old school scholomance wouldve made the list for me

I don't like ZF. Too much trash for too few bosses.

@@raver377 yes old school scholomance loved that place had to farm it to get enchant so ran it a lot and the lore was good to.

ZF is boring. Is just a couple open hallways and a pyramid... ST is a laberynth of stairs and hallways, full of secrets, important lore ties to hakkar, the emeral dream, lots of memorable quests, great bosses! ZF has a escort boss... a freaking escort boss! And a boss you can't do if noone has made the mallet... and the boss isn't even realy cool... is a hydra... the only reazon it matters is because of a carrot trinket. Only reazon besides the trinket quest, that people run ZF, is to farm the doctor's stave which admitedly is a great weapon for casters, and some people trying to get jang'traze and Zul'traze, but lets face it, those weapons are there to bait noobs, because they don't drop.

First tine through yes. Repeated runs not so much.

@@ReikaLady Depends, when you know how to skip most of it, it isn't as long

@@crysosisback7115 I knew the skips, it was still too damn long. I was the one who ended up running people for their MC attunement and their Ony questline.

@@ReikaLady lava jump attune runs aren't so bad. I can get through them in about half an hour

@@tedstudt8550 I did it for hours with my first raiding guild in Vanilla. It's what led to me ragequiting because I was getting harrassed by people who showed up late for their runs and the officers did nothing about it.

Getting the Deathcharger was like winning the lottery

@@LoudAlive36 i got the mount right before BFA.

poor timmy

I lost count how many times I did Jailbreak in this dungeon. So many fond memories.

I remember doing the entire instance only once. It took us around 6-7 hours and like 12 different party members. Sooo many wipes and so much running, but it still is one of my fondest memories

@@exeterra4825 I feel like this is when old school and new school married the best

Remember the Attunement to get to molten core and in order to reach molten core you had to crawl basically all the way through BRD just to get to the raid. (Unless you had a lock of course.)

BRD, LBRS and UBRS are some of my best memories of vanilla wow, they really felt like a DnD Dungeon Crawl game

Not to mention the fact that it looked badass

@Johnny Guillotine the only shield better than that one is the one from naxx25, the one that grobbulus drops in 10 is =/= there isnt much diff.

Still part of my Paladin transmog to this day. I have my original in void storage.

Best xmog in the game.

Nobody enjoyed running Maraudon. Everyone has always wanted to do skips

I hated Mara

I love that DG one of my favourite DG of all time , the only time I got a mount drop on my first time

and one of the worst mechanics with the Abominations where they spread a disease that not all healers where able to cleanse through certain times of WoWs development after WotLK xD God it was so annoying getting the dungeon sometimes :P It always took blizz a few weeks if not months to realize they made one healer unable to get rid of diseases at some point in time.

And dragons

Scholomance, Dire Maul (North) and UBRS are my favorite classic ones. I loved doing Scholo class runs (when you could still enter Scholo with 10 opposed to 5 players) and Tribute runs =)

Agreed 👌

Same, running from ironforge to sfk is oddly a good memory to me in wow

It was a big step up from WC

Kinda late but I agree, when I first saw earth song falls I fell in love with the view

That one's my personal favorite!

Mauradon is one of my favorites. It's definitely a big place and so much looks the same but something about it......I just love it.

I had more successful pugs with HoR than Oculus.

Halls of Reflection Has one good thing when you wipe ad the end sylvanas die for good

Fuck Occulus Hate that place

Everyone needs to output AT LEAST 6K FUCKING DPS(YES IM A TANK AND I GET MAD WHEN I WIPE BCS OF LACK OF DPS)

HoR was trash, can't believe it's on the list smh.

There were technically speed runs in BC which gave rewards

Yeah, I never did get that mount.

Do people actually love running it though? I haven't looked back on it with much affection.

I swear, after it was released, every other dungeon I ran was PoS. I think it was all the shaman and paladins going for that healer shield. Half the time it was just me and the healer two-manning the piggyback boss

Pit of Saron was good. In fact all 3 of the dungeons released that patch were really good.

Farming Emblems to the limit😁😁

@@cracksinatra1049 this dude gets it loool. great times!

@@BrushfireMocha did yall realm just killed Ick and Forgemaster for higher efficiency? The infamous 4 min runs/ 10 times/hour?

Break yourself upon my body

@@lryuuzakimisamisa pls no

lryuuzakimisamisa lmao I haven’t heard that in years

@@josuf_5812 You dont do timewalking? You hear that all the damm time during cata timewalking.

In timewalking I was able to down that boss pretty much solo on my ele shaman as the rest of the group kept dying. Good times. Lava burst insta-casts and ghostwolf to kite him back and forth. I died to him many times in Cata. Revenge is best served ice-shock cold.

Fuck those complainers who don’t like challenges and just want to cakewalk everything.

Cata dungeons, especially heroics, were good because people had to dust off long unused CC abilities. Hell I remember teaching people in pug groups what CC abilities their class _had_ and putting them to use, such as shamans being able to shackle elementals, or druids to use roots or sleep.

I stopped tanking in Cata from abuse from bad dps : ( Made sure I knew mechanics, communicated, etc= nope. Would have peeps pull while we were still killing a mob pack, die to personal responsibility mechanics etc.

​@@StaffordMagnus This. I'm sucker for Legion dungeon design, from lore to whatnot, but soon enough nearly everything in Legion became a good ol' no-brain Dps check. I remember Legion bosses having wipe potential mechanics, but Cata dungeons had broader distribution of strong and interesting trash mechanics. It'd be great if it was somehow possible to re-design Cataclysm with Mythic+ feature, might give WoW another go.

The best thing about Cata dungeons was how well on-point they were with their difficulty. The normal ones were easy and could be done by everyone, but the heroic ones were hard, but not impossible. I remember so many of them as fun and exciting, even tho or maybe BECAUSE we died so often because of avoidable mistakes. Trash had to be CCed and boss mechanics had to be executed well. Some of them were a bit unfair tho, like in Grim'Batol or how that was called, when the Ettin-boss in the smithy used the impale thing on the healer you'd sometimes just wipe. Or the final boss in ZG where the damage was so high that even a single missed chain meant that your healer would probably go oom.

@@Gegi1992 and people didn't leave after one wipe

I havent watched the video, but I'm sure Gunther is in this list.

It's amazing no Gunther OR Lillian.

Lilian IS in Scarlet Monastery, so I guess he did slip her in.

He didn't name her specifically and he talked about the original. :)

Number 1 Gunther Arcanus 2: electric boogaloo - the movie the game now staring Lillian Voss as Lillian Voss

Dire Maul... you mean the dungeon introduced in patch what... 1.10? How can Dire Maul, a dungeon that is split into sections much like SM, with 1 section less btw (DM has 3 sections, SM has 4) be THE FIRST mega dungeon, specialy since Black Rock FuckingDeeps existed since day 1? And BRFD has a raid entrance. AAAAAAAAAAAND if you gonna say "DM is all connected" Only DM west and north can be accessed one tru the other. East has no way to jump into the others directly. Even Maraudon, for example, happened 1st, and that dungeon is so freaking HUGE, has 2 entrances, 3 sections, then a 3rd entrance so you can skip the 1st sections and go straight to Princess and the other bosses.. I'm sorry but Dire Maul, as awesome as it is, is FAR from being a mega dungeon... Even if you put it all togheter, is not even close to BRD or Maraudon. Hell i'd conseider Sunken Temple a Mega Dungeon before Dire Maul.

@@josejuanandrade4439 What you personally consider a mega dungeon doesn't matter to anyone but yourself, though?

@@sarkaztik3228 So Violet Hold can be considered a Mega Dungeon just because MD is a concept that only matters to each one individualy? Most accepted interpretation of what a Mega Dungeon is, is a long dungeon with many wings inside the same instance and a number of bosses closer to what you'd see in a raid (9 to 12) NOW, Dire Maul and Scarlet Monastery have an actual classification, and is NOT Mega Dungeons... They are clasified as Dungeon Hubs. A place that contain several normal or small sized dungeon. Other examples ar Tempest Keep and Auchindon TBC. Maraudon is a 3 winged dungeon, they all in the same instance and perfecly connected so u can just walk tru all 3 without leaving the dungeon and has 8 bosses. BRD, well, do i need to even explain that one? Dire Maul has 3 dungeons, 2 are interconected and you can travel to the other if you have the key. East tho, is not connected. IF the wings were connected and you could complete the whole thing and kill all 15 bosses from the 3 wings connected, it would totaly be a mega dungeon, but is not.. is a Dungeon Hub, just like Scarlet Monastery.

jose juan andrade Sounds like the neckbeard is strong in you... Vanilla Dire Maul had 9 bosses in two instances, by your own definition: Mega Dungeon. You can argue semantics all you want, but Blizzard have been doing long, sprawling, multi-boss dungeons for years. Mega Dungeon is a new buzzword for things that are longer than the typical model used since early Cathedral runs became the norm. You can disagree with someone but do it politely and make sure you’re not contradicting yourself the entire time. Kay?

@@phaton89 Fine, we can identify more aspects from the dungeons that can be considered MDs and see if Dire Maul fulfill them? Kara, BRD, Maraudon, have all an identifiable Main boss, regardless the wings, in the case of Kara you have Vizadum, a very challenging (for the time and even now because of how damn easy is to screw that fight) multi-phase fight, there's no doubt he is the final dungeon boss. Mechagon has King Mechagon, same qualites, multi-phase, challenging in mythic when it came out. BRD has the Emperor, Mara has Theradrass. Dire Maul has 3 bosses that are on the same level, so no very identifable main boss, because is not a MD... is Dungeon Hub. Please get that right. Just cuz yo "feelings" dosent mean we can clasify DM as a megadungeon. They are great dungeons, just not a MD. BTW the 3 bosses i mentioned are Tholtedrin, Immoltar and King Gordok. Also, Dire Maul North "bosses" are more like "mini-bosses" and matter of a fact, you SKIP them all because the real boss and goal of that dungeon is the tribute run. If you ask most people, the only boss in DMn is King Gordok, because you dont wanna kill any other boss :)

Lmao

I still hate it that Artha...xcuse me.. The Lich King was a boss. I always wanted Blizzard to make The Scourge into a faction. Like how in Lotro you have the "evil" faction. I would've loved to level a Death Knight or Necro under the command of TLK and kill "goodies". I understand why they didn't though.. With all expansions planned that idea would die off real quick. How you have Legion invasions in Legion it would be cool to have Scourge invasions though. But well.... Bolvar came along and killed all the fun =(

Kael says hi

He included sunken temple but not the iconic deadmines from classic wow What an idiot

He said before bfa..

and you had to make it through all the scourge waves and to that boss within 25 minutes. I was a resto shaman and remember that last gauntlet filled with scourge after fighting the infinite dragons in the inn. Good times good times

also i think that only the heroic dungeon version dropped the mount. which at the time was no small feat to complete in the time limit. the masses only started getting the bronze dragon mounts later in the expansion, when they were vastly over geared for that dungeon.

@@pivkemrzli2297 Correct. Is the heroic version the one that drops the mount and you gotta make it in time before the Infinite Corrupter kills the drake :)

@jose juan andrade Either I was in your run or it was a common tactic cause I had the exact same thing happen to me, lol

yea cata rework of deadmines was amazing, and having a miniraid dungeon like halls of origination was also really good, I farmed a lot that dung for trinkets

I assume so

i looked for this

Presume they were known differently on US servers?

GaeFootballClub dazar is just an all around fun and good boss

Siege of boralus is great too (leaving m+ out of the equation)

You liked kings rest? I hated it, especially on tyrannical

@@Ehmbar because its hard? Yeah I do agree that some of the things in KR is hard and sometimes rather random (the trash especially). But i still think most of the mechanics are super fun and and the dungeon looks amazing and feels amazing.

Waycrest Manor tho, love the aesthetic and rly ties the Drustvar storyline

Was doing it the other day and the initial role play alone takes as long as doing another dungeon.

sounds like somebody was ooked in the dooker...

Stormstout challenge mode gold was something else.

Stormstout Brewery is brilliant.

And just a pinch of... oops! Peppers! More peppers! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Somebodys ooker got dooked

Oh no, god forbid people trying to make a living. What a terrible and awful thing to do.

@@sarkaztik3228 God forbid! People try and make a living creating hollow content, better yet why don’t we just offer them our own money and cut the hollow content? Just donate to them for doing nothing, that will inspire the lazy people for sure!

yeah I agree, if it were up to me i wouldve replaced it with ZF or even Vault of the Wardens

He's talking about all 4 of them....as a whole

@@lerchomat At one point I presumed he was trying to say that of the four, people liked doing Cathedral the most, but he flubbed and said Monastery again instead of Cathedral.

@@Leopoldshark yeah thats true but i get his point its a great dungeon overall but i prefer cathedral like most people i guess

Horde here so for me it was Wailing Caverns, loved that dungeon. I mean just getting into WC and Deadmines back then was a test of your group... once you finally got together, lol.

ooh, wow! you're right!

I did, definitely one of the more different and interesting dungeons in WoD.

I always liked to do the shortcut in challenge mode and still cutting it close to the timer. The mage trash was annoying if not handled properly as was the (optional) spider boss

To be fair, you can't blame bad players/parties for the hate that HoR got. It was fine with a good group, and terrible with a bad one.

Great when you're leveling

Do you mean?

random comment is random. No one is talking about shadow labs

Shadow Labyrinth was kinda cool, but it was a pain in the ass so people weren’t exactly eager to run it. We did it when we needed it. And it was fun, for what it was worth. If I had to pick a best dungeon of BC, that’s Shattered Halls.

Agreeeed

Are there even 10 different dungeons in bfa? I never played this xpac so im just curious

@@lerchomat 10 dungeons and 1 mega dungeon

@@lerchomat 10 dungeons and Mechagon mega dung split in 2 making it 12 dungeons for m+

I remember hitting 85 on my Hpal In leveling greens and almost every boss fight In the cata dungeons felt like a mythic raid encounter in terms of healing. Cata dungeons were great

zul´aman had a timed mode too, that rewarded a mount.

@@Psi-Storm Zul'Aman was a raid though. This was the first time they did it to a 5 man dungeon.

@@TixFrix He said CoT4 was the only one, but the cata? ZA dungeon and Legion Kara revamp had timed runs too. Since CoT4 was also heavily based on Stratholme, they aren't that different.

this list was merely a set back...

Most hated dungeon of all time, lol

true! first time was great, after that is was shit :D

Hated it after the first lmao

It was so good the first time. I still enjoy doing it now while leveling.

Came here to say this. I hate it now when I'm leveling alts

You hush your wrong face.