Historian GETS MAD at All Quiet on the Western Front (2022)

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Жыл бұрын

Realism got lost to entertainment... is this the best movie directors can achieve after over 100 years of documentation, research and war stories? Especially after 2 previous versions that were already excellent.
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@historylegends
@historylegends Жыл бұрын
I also highly recommend you to watch the 1930 and 1979 versions of All Quiet on the Western Front. If you want some real WW1 story, check out Ernst Junger "Storm of Steel"... German movie directors never had the b*lls to make a movie out of it. Ernst Junger kept a diary during the war, and wrote his book immediately after war, when it was still fresh in his mind. Support HistoryLegends ✔ Patreon ► www.patreon.com/thehistorylegends ✔ PayPal ► www.paypal.me/historylegends ✔ Book ► www.thehistorylegends.com ► INSTAGRAM: instagram.com/historylegends2/ ► TIKTOK: www.tiktok.com/@thehistorylegends?lang=en
@BaronvonMoorland
@BaronvonMoorland Жыл бұрын
Great review brother. I felt exactly the same. 1930’s version was WAY better. Here’s my review to my friend via text: No spoilers, but my take… All quiet on the western was visually well done, but the story and stuff felt lacking to be honest. Jumped quickly in many regards. Character development left much to be desired. They glossed over a bunch of stuff, but for a 2+ hour movie I would have expected more storyline & character development. I was left wondering what caused it to be so long. Lots of content for trailers & music videos I feel. Lots of cool, visually stunning shots without a strong foundation to the overall depth of the story. 1930s rendition may have been black & white, but the effects of what the characters were dealing with was more relatable because they felt familiar as we followed them more intimately on their journey. For both films runtime being identical at 2h 27m, I felt the 1930’s told a tale more lasting in story & substance. My final opinion - the 1930s film was better. Side note in the 1930 film. some of the uniforms are combat used uniforms from immigrated German war veterans. They recruited a bunch of German veterans to be extras in the film and to be technical advisers … There were WW1 veterans working on that film telling their story…
@Panos-xo9rc
@Panos-xo9rc Жыл бұрын
Junger's "storm of steel" is THE war memoir.
@zaynevanbommel5983
@zaynevanbommel5983 Жыл бұрын
Seen both years ago 1930 original movie is the best tho the 1979 version is also great
@zaynevanbommel5983
@zaynevanbommel5983 Жыл бұрын
@@BaronvonMoorland what do you mean "Immigrated"
@BaronvonMoorland
@BaronvonMoorland Жыл бұрын
@@zaynevanbommel5983 the Germans that found themselves in the United States after the First World War for the 1930s movie. Taking part in its filming.
@williampoole1742
@williampoole1742 Жыл бұрын
To people that say that it isn't an accurate adaptation, at the end of the day, the book's point was to make people understand that war is hell and no movie has come close to eliciting that feeling to me like this.
@petrhanke8644
@petrhanke8644 Жыл бұрын
Yes 100% agree, I told my friends right away that if this movie decides to be inaccurate then I am willing to swallow it IF the Message remains the same. And those crazy SoBs did it.
@tophernolastname2378
@tophernolastname2378 Жыл бұрын
The book's point was to tell a story. If you're going to change the story, change the title-- or make up your own idea! That's like a movie about the bible depicting Jesus surfing & choking out a rattlesnake while talking about the benefits of Communism-- but that's OK because "the theme about God is the same".
@Maximilien1794
@Maximilien1794 Жыл бұрын
I would rather have said the contrary. There is no soul to this movie and the characters are empty and unrealistic. Paths of Glory is just so much better at depicting real "hell".
@thomaslacornette1282
@thomaslacornette1282 Жыл бұрын
Ukrainians don't think same XD.
@abdellah7879
@abdellah7879 Жыл бұрын
Saving private Ryan did it better
@geese5170
@geese5170 Жыл бұрын
The fact that he’s complaining about how the deaths were random and meaningless shows that he misses the entire message of the movie.
@pepqcat3169
@pepqcat3169 Жыл бұрын
the point of the video is talking about the accuracy of it random people dying for no reason is not accurate its not a review
@geese5170
@geese5170 Жыл бұрын
@@pepqcat3169 do you know what war is? Literal indiscriminate murder between two rival countries.
@pepqcat3169
@pepqcat3169 Жыл бұрын
@@geese5170 yes do you know what an accuracy critique is
@fritzvanhalen1359
@fritzvanhalen1359 Жыл бұрын
​@@pepqcat3169 in war, deaths are random. Soldiers don't get told the name of a specific person they're supposed to shoot. So no, the randomness of the deaths is completely accurate to how the war was. That's why in war there are survival expectations. If you get sent to the front then you are not expected to survive.
@theawesomefire
@theawesomefire Жыл бұрын
But still the movie misses the point of the book so much, that this is still disappointing. The deaths were so random, but why was pauls death so glorified? And the deaths also feel so random, not because of an accurate depiction of the war but because of bad screen writing.
@gammatheprotobean1541
@gammatheprotobean1541 Жыл бұрын
no way in hell this guy is an actual historian
@SamuelLanghorn
@SamuelLanghorn Жыл бұрын
What makes someone a historian? a stupid degree is the traditional entry ticket, but the world of education has moved on quite a bit.
@TheSDKNightmare
@TheSDKNightmare Жыл бұрын
@@SamuelLanghorn an actual historian that has delved into the topic of WW1 would be familiar with simple factualities like that tanks were a common sight on the Western Front by the end of 1918 and that trenches could easily flood sometimes and did look like absolute shitholes especially once the front become less static by the end of the war. He would also be at least slightly familiar with human psychology under stressful conditions, and see that this movie perfectly shows the insanity soldiers had to go through. He claims at one point it's too gory lmao grow some fucking balls this is what that war was like, and it doesn't even scratch the surface of some of the other accounts we still have. He is talking out of his ass.
@noneofyourbusiness7350
@noneofyourbusiness7350 Жыл бұрын
@@SamuelLanghorn are you a bot?
@SamuelLanghorn
@SamuelLanghorn Жыл бұрын
@@noneofyourbusiness7350 yes, how did you detect me?
@noneofyourbusiness7350
@noneofyourbusiness7350 Жыл бұрын
@@SamuelLanghorn by your horrible take.
@sketchywav7741
@sketchywav7741 Жыл бұрын
The thing is with war people die in the most horrible and random ways. This movie portrays that perfectly
@Ghostworld_
@Ghostworld_ Жыл бұрын
I agree, I didn't see many issues with the movie. It's from the soldiers perspective and that was captured in a beautiful cinematic lens. The accuracies when it came to the movie were lacking but everything else was powerful.
@SamuelLanghorn
@SamuelLanghorn Жыл бұрын
@@chopholtz4950 Senseless? if war was senseless there would not be one. The problem is that the decision makers are leaning back in their safe and comfortable armchairs whereas the enslaved masses are forced to sacrifice their lives. It is futile to long for the tribal stone age days where the decision maker was the leader and would be in it with you.
@ghjkjjghjk4702
@ghjkjjghjk4702 Жыл бұрын
no not really, 60% of deaths in ww2 was from Artillery and it was more in ww1, most of the characters deaths would have been Artillery, and only 15% of german military suffered deaths, a group of 6? people had the chance of survival of 85% for each of them, and yet they all died. its a great movie from a artist point of view, but not historically.
@nnnik3595
@nnnik3595 Жыл бұрын
@@ghjkjjghjk4702 You assume that death is a random distribution. However it makes sense that fights are more intense than in other parts. Also while a single group of 6 friends dying completely as a single event is unlikely there were almost 2 million dead. With such a large sample size the chance that 6 friends died is above 98%
@liesstill
@liesstill Жыл бұрын
@@chopholtz4950 it’s war what do you expect?
@adrienperie6119
@adrienperie6119 Жыл бұрын
I actually liked everything you didn't. First the "random" deaths of the various friends, to me they showed very well the movie's point: it wasn't glory, it was pointless death, a pure waste. The kid killing that one guy was genius in my opinion. Overall you're complaining about the movie not being realistic on details and you're missing the point of it all: this is the movie that best depicts the meat grinder that was this war, especially at the beginning with the whole uniforms being washed and reused which in my opinion was total genius. Basically no movie can show all of world war one realistically in two hours, which is why there is always a focus on some aspects over others. If you show this you can't show that, simple as that. The point here isn't to show realistic day by day trench life, or assault, it's to show senseless carnage which this war indeed was. Anybody can nitpick once you know a little about the subject matter, but it takes an effort to try and take what the movie offers, try and understand what it conveys, instead of standing in front of a picasso and say it's ugly. Just my two cents, have a great day/night, all quiet in Paris tonight. Edit: Thank you for all the likes and great replies, I will create a channel with content you might like, so if you wanna see it when it comes out subscribe baybeh !!!
@user-fy6kr7yr9c
@user-fy6kr7yr9c Жыл бұрын
I also personally dont agree with his critisisms on "random deaths". But I think his main point is that this film is more inclined towards "entertainment than realism". As in its more interested in telling you its message than providing an ultra-realistic depiction of the first world war. And that is not a bad thing, its just the way the film is. Obviously there is a lot that this film has to offer from a filmmaking stand point but clearly his not here to tell us about that (I mean read the title). Also, I definitely do agree with him on the 1 dimensional portrayal of general friedrichs character. Thats just simply a lack of depth in writing. Just cause the film set out to best portray the meat grinder that was ww1 dosent make it immune from critisims like this.
@redjupiter2236
@redjupiter2236 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised it didn't go into dysentery, and trenchfoot, the character's feet were wet the entire movie, hell my feet felt cold and wet the entire movie just watching it.
@blugastidiofable9517
@blugastidiofable9517 Жыл бұрын
Yeah this guy is just a hater
@applesandgrapesfordinner4626
@applesandgrapesfordinner4626 Жыл бұрын
@@user-fy6kr7yr9c True! The Last Samurai is a good example of purposefully taking artistic liberties to convey a message (even had a disclaimer at the beginning).
@GreekFire..
@GreekFire.. Жыл бұрын
Yeah I agree, I don’t think any of this guys critiques really land at all.
@BertzTriscut
@BertzTriscut Жыл бұрын
Bro, the guy with the fork killed himself because he didn't want to live as a cripple. They pulled that scene right out of the book, only the guy tried his heart in the hospital and wasn't Tjaden. And then you call it "super gore and unnessecary," yet you mocked a previous scene for not being gory enough and complimented the book for it. Make up your mind. And I thought that a historian would know about the mentality that people had in the past, such as how the disabled and the insane were seen as lesser beings at the time. Bro, were you on your phone while watching the movie? Because it really comes across like that. For example you thought that the glasses kid died to a headshot when it was the shell that killed him. He leg was torn off by the blast and a bit of shrapnel shot through his head. His insides were likely jelly as well. You might have noticed that if you weren't playing phone solitaire or scrolling through Facebook or just had been more observant. You also seem to just ignore the human condition, at least so far. Yes, prisoners are useful. But you know what's more powerful than a desire for knowledge? Anger. It doesn't surprise me in the least that the French torched the guy instead of taking him prisoner because that happens all the time, no matter what war it is. It could also be that they were under orders not to for logistical reasons, which also happens and was the unfortunate case for a lot of units in 1944 Normandy. As for the historical inaccuracies, absolutely fair to call those out, please do. They don't necessarily make a film bad since films are about the writing and acting, but a pattern of behavior shows character and how much the movie makers care and it would be nice to see more accurate representations of history in movies. Bro, I put this comment down just to resume the video and hear you say that Kat's death was anti-climactic... as opposed to the 1930 version where he just kinda dies randomly to shrapnel? Sure, Kat's death was the climax in the book, but the climax was Paul snapping at his professor and returning to the front in the 1930 movie. Kat's death doesn't need to be climactic for thw movie to be good.
@scottf5791
@scottf5791 Жыл бұрын
You had me dying at phone solitaire and Facebook 😂 completely agree with you 👍
@Cell780
@Cell780 Жыл бұрын
Based
@morammofilmsph1540
@morammofilmsph1540 Жыл бұрын
If you see his previous videos, it's all about analysis of military conflicts all over the world and the war in Ukraine. It just comes as a surprise that he started reviewing war movies all of a sudden.
@epstone
@epstone Жыл бұрын
@@morammofilmsph1540 well he analysed movies and video games about their historic accuracies allready many times in the past.
@eddie810
@eddie810 Жыл бұрын
He seems to look at movies at a literal sense, militaristically his reviews are okay, but he doesn't seem to understand how humans work. Also, I think he might be anti-german 😂
@WendyDaCanuck
@WendyDaCanuck Жыл бұрын
The trench knives, clubs, and sharpened shovels used in trench raids by both sides are well documented.
@aidanhewett492
@aidanhewett492 7 ай бұрын
I find it funny that he complains about historical inaccuracies in many segments of the movie and then when he talks about the bayonets and shovels, which are some of the most accurate depictions he just says that they didn't actually happen. For some reason this guy seems to do this a bunch, if something goes against his point then its fake or exaugurated.
@fuckingpippaman
@fuckingpippaman 7 ай бұрын
i have a friend who has probably one of the largest collection of clubs in the world. Both italian and austrian had standard issue of clubs as i bet the germans did. "Mazza modello San Michele" for example
@mrphong536
@mrphong536 4 ай бұрын
Grenades as well. Hand to hand combat did happened but rarely. The thing is EVERY WW1 movie show it while it wasn't common.
@peddazz2365
@peddazz2365 4 ай бұрын
@@aidanhewett492 he said it was very rare, learn to listen
@peddazz2365
@peddazz2365 4 ай бұрын
@@mrphong536 they also depict it like it is just the regular thing, like every attack and defense ends in some mad mass melee combat
@lennaertvanmierlo2955
@lennaertvanmierlo2955 Жыл бұрын
On hand to hand combat: I think its fair to say that it happened relatively often. Some museums carry quite to collection of melee weapons, suggesting that at some point it either occurred more frequently or there was a realistic fear of it happening.
@alecshockowitz8385
@alecshockowitz8385 Жыл бұрын
Old comment, but its important to point out that most of the melee weapons used were also tools. Shovels use was obvious. Knives had uses from cutting various things, to opening cans. Really the only dedicated hand to hand weapon used was the bayonet, which was really a weapon of last resort.
@whatdadogdoin9818
@whatdadogdoin9818 8 ай бұрын
@@alecshockowitz8385there were lots of DIY clubs too
@AnAmericanMusician
@AnAmericanMusician Жыл бұрын
You can't really beat the original, since it was real WWI soldiers telling real stories.
@derTaugenix
@derTaugenix Жыл бұрын
Remarque was only a month at the frontline and the story was fiction.
@kinghoodofmousekind2906
@kinghoodofmousekind2906 Жыл бұрын
True, well said.
@tojoisathomeinthisfunben9364
@tojoisathomeinthisfunben9364 Жыл бұрын
@@derTaugenix True but he did get brutally shot in the neck. He also worked in the dressing station for a year and interviewed the wounded. So the stories have truth to them. I think that's why he is good at describing the fear of being wounded and amputated.
@iacopoguidi7871
@iacopoguidi7871 Жыл бұрын
Well kind of, All quiet on the western front, as reminded in this video, was written like a decade later, it's made of the author's memories and records. Now, Storm of steel by Junger, on the other hand, feel more crude and vivid as you read it, I think because junger himself was in active service longer than Remarque, and had a somewhat different philosopy about battle. If you've never read it, that and Wood 125 are great ww1 books.
@iacopoguidi7871
@iacopoguidi7871 Жыл бұрын
@the wise mystical tree 🌳 Oh wait are you talking about the 30s movie? I was talking about the book! 😅 If you talk about the movie I havent seen it but by your description I probably will!
@goodeye6373
@goodeye6373 Жыл бұрын
I had a neighbor when I was a little kid, back in the early seventies that was a WW1 vet. Have a vague memory of him telling me it was suicide out there. A meat grinder. Set up for an assault under smoke and artillery to get shot down and repelled most of the time so there were new guys all the time. He said both sides did the same thing. Taking and giving ground. He got shot by a pan gun to the back of his legs. Was what interested me in the first place. To find out how this old guy got the scars. He said they were retreating from a failed assault. Not much was left of the back of his legs, he was lucky. He said there were terrible bombs that would make giant craters and lots of people just disappear. Kind of weird that he told me this. He was pretty graphic. He told me to never join. Think he was the only military person to say that to me.
@user-pq4nh7wu9e
@user-pq4nh7wu9e Жыл бұрын
oh my god that's disturbing
@yearginclarke
@yearginclarke Жыл бұрын
That's cool you knew a WW1 vet. I was too young to know any. I did meet one guy who was born in 1900 and was about to be drafted days before the Armistice, but wound up joining the balloon observation corps after the war was over. He used to come to our primary school every Christmas in the early 90's to act as the Santa for the kids. He died in 1995.
@goodeye6373
@goodeye6373 Жыл бұрын
I had a connection with this guy. I know I was just a kid. I had to ask a lot of questions. It sounded pretty miserable. Knew a lot of WW2 vets. And most of them are gone. Not as interesting as the WW1 Vet. Except for my Uncles Dad fought with Rommel in Africa. Said they were once traveling in a sand storm and lost track of their unit. Found them and followed and once it started clearing just a little, realized they fell in line with US troops and slowly slunk back into the storm.
@leerollins7555
@leerollins7555 Жыл бұрын
Damn, man.
@leerollins7555
@leerollins7555 Жыл бұрын
@@user-pq4nh7wu9eAll war is.
@koielH
@koielH Жыл бұрын
There was a reason for the directors to chose to have kat’s death be so “anti-climatic.” It shows that it isn’t a happy action movie with grand climatic deaths like iron man in endgame. It’s showing that war isn’t fair at all and life is still fragile, shell or tiny bullet.
@tayamkay
@tayamkay Жыл бұрын
it baffles me that someone who doesn't understand cinematic aspects like this can post 20min+ videos talking about cinema. It makes so much sense for everybody to die so quickly without a big lead up or big heroic boom, because that's what life is. It shows the futility of the war effort and the fragility of life as you said. An extra 3000 people died before the signing of the armistice and the end of the war, some people actually died in the last minute of the war. Our character just gets stabbed. Like that. What a moment.
@BananaRaid
@BananaRaid 4 ай бұрын
The book was better in every way and had they been more faithful to it, it would’ve been just as anticlimactic and not some dumb teleporting kid. Also, Paul’s death is supposed to be more anonymous and not go out on anti historical suicide charge.
@BradyMcLean
@BradyMcLean Ай бұрын
it also makes no sense from a common sense standpoint
@ravinrabits4858
@ravinrabits4858 Жыл бұрын
Typically, I don't think photographers in WW1 wanted to get their equipment wet. So that is why I believe there are barely any pictures of men standing in flooded trenches with rain pouring down on them, instead, lots of stories of the conditions they lived in.
@dr.woozie7500
@dr.woozie7500 Жыл бұрын
Yea also consider the fact that film back then was very fragile, it could easily be damaged by mud/rain to the point where it couldn't be developed.
@Hankeshon
@Hankeshon Жыл бұрын
and the reason there are BARELY any photos of actual battle, is because all sides put a press BAN on footage or pictures, only highlighting 'bravery' or light shell fire. In reality, it was called DRUMfire because it wasnt scattered boom... boom.. it was like a drum roll. Thats horiffying.
@yottwr6108
@yottwr6108 Жыл бұрын
19:22, according to the timeline of the film (November 1918), tanks would have been a regular sight on the Western Front, having first been used by the British in September 1916. In one of the few noteworthy and accurate scenes, it is the veteran 'Kat' who using his experience, destroys the tank.
@heliveruscalion9124
@heliveruscalion9124 Жыл бұрын
@@goldenhawk352 that's the recommended technique, that's not gonna be the only way they take out tanks
@user-zy7jx2rn1j
@user-zy7jx2rn1j Жыл бұрын
@@heliveruscalion9124 exactly, what they did in the movie made perfect sense considering how close they were to the tank already.
@baldrickthedungspreader3107
@baldrickthedungspreader3107 Жыл бұрын
True however for the tank scene I wish that instead of wasting ammunition on the tanks they would have instead bought up the Mauser 13 mm anti-tank rifle, I have yet to see those in film so definitely a wasted opportunity,
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
@@baldrickthedungspreader3107 After 1916 and The Mark I, the British added more armor so the 1918 Mark IV's would have been largely impervious to that anti-tank rifle. By the way you can see these tanks at the British tank museum in Dorset.
@DarthPepis
@DarthPepis Жыл бұрын
@@baldrickthedungspreader3107 they dont seem to understand what they film portraid. In reality the germans probably knew how to figth vs tanks, but the film tell us that is almost the firth time they see them. All soldiers fire the tanks with the rifles, so they dont know what they’re doing, but then they know exactly how to disable one with granades… like, wtf, why u stare a mountain of moving metal and decide to shot at it if u allreday know what works?
@ryanmcmahon7421
@ryanmcmahon7421 Жыл бұрын
I've been strongly interested in WWI history for the past 40 years of my life, and I think you're missing a few things. You say you're a historian and I don't know what your credentials are, but you look to be about 25 years old. Take it from me, there's still more time in the books that awaits you. * Flooded trenches happened, especially at Passchendaele . There's an account of both sides climbing out of their trenches to escape the rising water, then just looking at each other across No Man's Land. * Allied Artillery could be devastating, and the book mentions whole trees being flung into the air as a creeping barrage moved forward. A unit of Russians caught in the open was more or less vaporized in one battle (not in the novel). Giant craters are still present on Western Front battlefields a hundred years later. You can see drone videos of it, if you care to. I've seen what modern bombs and shells can do to defenses and human bodies, and the level of explosiveness isn't that far removed from the Great War. Mainly, our times have improved on range and accuracy. Indeed, the concept of "defense in depth" evolved partly because packed trenches provided too many victims for shells. * Situations where no prisoners were taken happened. I've read British and American accounts of this from WWI. Someone I know was in the Vietnam War, and that was part of his combat experience, as it was for a friend's father, whose unit blew up surrendering NVA troops with grenades. Torture was a thing as well, and I've heard about that from veterans. It's ugly, it's horrifying, it's generally against the rules, and it's not always logical, but it's how war works. Human beings are what they are. * Suicides happened among soldiers who couldn't take it. I heard stories about this from guys who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. One private tried to do himself in by wrapping the electrical cord of some heavy appliance around his neck and throwing it out a window (he lived). Who knows what was happening in his fevered mind, but that's what he did. WWI veteran Siegfried Sassoon wrote the famous poem, "Suicide in the trenches". * "How can I feel empathy for someone who spared no one?" Again, I'll bring up the guy I know who was in Vietnam, my friend's father, and other veterans I've known -- I spend a day with the former about a month ago. I'm sad that they did some of the things they did, but I get it, given the hellish circumstances they were in. In the movie, the French who murdered Paul's friend had just witnessed the Germans shooting down Frenchmen who had escaped from a tank before it caught fire. To my mind, they reacted as many young men probably would.
@fmorrison999
@fmorrison999 Жыл бұрын
Did he really deny that trenches flooded? If he did I'm not watching this and no one else should
@ryanmcmahon7421
@ryanmcmahon7421 Жыл бұрын
I'm too busy to rewatch, but he seemed to scoff at the scene in which they were bailing water. It was early in the movie and his critique.
@firebird4491
@firebird4491 Жыл бұрын
Underrated comment.
@ElUnicoCrack
@ElUnicoCrack Жыл бұрын
Historians complaining about historical innacuracies while making historical innacuracies sums up this video and this entire comment section pretty well. I have never seen so many people whine about a fictional novel being "historically innacurate"
@ryanmcmahon7421
@ryanmcmahon7421 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, I don't recall seeing online complaints about the BOOK'S accuracy. Some people don't like this movie, for whatever reasons, and may or may not have even read the source material. The book is fiction, but was meant to be read as a lifelike account of a soldier's experience. Over the decades, some have found it TOO anti-war (there's a bit of a fetish for Junger, a German WWI soldier who found his experiences more exhilarating), though I continue to think that "war sucks" is an underappreciated message in a time when most people in industrialized countries have no experience with it outside of video games.
@carterf3585
@carterf3585 Жыл бұрын
Interesting to watch the take of someone who doesn't comprehend narrative, themes, or even storytelling on a fundamental level. Not enjoyable, just interesting
@BradyMcLean
@BradyMcLean Ай бұрын
reality is far more important than entertainment
@thog9501
@thog9501 Ай бұрын
@@BradyMcLean Then watch a documentary. God knows there's enough of those. Documenting "reality" instead of the human perception of the war is exactly how you get history buff losers complaining that "the deaths weren't cool enough!!". This movie never pretended to be the most historically accurate film, the goal was instead to be anti-war. I have never seen a war movie that was as good at being anti-war as this film. Every scene was sickening, it was extraordinarily human. Films like these accomplish far more than history channel WWI documentaries.
@BradyMcLean
@BradyMcLean Ай бұрын
@@thog9501 if your message isn't based in reality than it is useless. This movie is in no way good at showing what war is like or how it affects people so why bother, what does it contribute? Plenty of films have good depictions of the war that shows what soldiers went through (including films made by actual great war vets) and this is definitely not one of them. The movie isn't just bad because it disregards accuracy, its bad because it fails in its purpose by giving a very Hollywood style WWI
@alexanderberan77
@alexanderberan77 Жыл бұрын
Hand to Hand Combat was rare? Well, when I was a little child, my grandmother told me, that her father told her one of his personal WWI Stories. He wanted to take a french soldier who surrendered and looked like Teenager, as a prisoner, telling him in french "This war is not your fault. This is not our war.", just seconds later that french boy got stabbed and killed by the bayonet of a german comrad. The way my grandmother told me this story made me feel exactly how that must have been very traumatizing to my great-grandfather, because he did not understand why that kid had to die (I had to think about that story the whole movie, because it's one of the few stories my grandmother told me about WWI.) But needless to say, growing up with warstories like that, made me hate war. Nothing fun about it, just misery and butchery in the name of people, who are far away from the frontlines, to enlargen or maintain their Power, Status and Money... Well, I guess nothing changed 😥
@kpss6711
@kpss6711 10 ай бұрын
and how does this interesting story refute his thesis?
@alexanderberan77
@alexanderberan77 10 ай бұрын
@@kpss6711 well, he was stabbed with a bajonet. Or are we talking about the actual use of hands?😅 I was talking about close combat with the use of bajonets or other kinda knives.
@thog9501
@thog9501 Ай бұрын
@@kpss6711 because old mate is saying that they shouldn't have included melee combat in the movie. It happened, it is well documented, even if not as common as people would have you think.
@RealityCheck6969
@RealityCheck6969 Жыл бұрын
My grate grandfather fought in ww1. His entire “fight” experience was staying in trenches and once he met a german soldier in a forest. He told him to go a way and he another way. He didn’t shot 1 bullet the entire war. :)))
@avus-kw2f213
@avus-kw2f213 Жыл бұрын
Wow I would’ve thought the soldiers would’ve had shooting practice
@ONI_002
@ONI_002 Жыл бұрын
he was french or russian, your great grandfather?
@HawkThunder907
@HawkThunder907 Жыл бұрын
My great grandfather was a serbian soldier in WW1
@GeraltofRivia22
@GeraltofRivia22 Жыл бұрын
@@ONI_002 or British or American.
@louispauly3824
@louispauly3824 Жыл бұрын
and this german soldier was hitler 😲😲
@StarryBlissfull
@StarryBlissfull Жыл бұрын
As someone who not only watched all 3 movies but also is reading the novel, it’s interesting to see the differences in each movie and how it relates to the book. While I love the 1970 version more the 2022 isn’t horrible. It shows the panic in the trenches really well in my opinion. I’m upset that the 1930 is the only movie to use the hands on the wire scene
@Hamlet2344
@Hamlet2344 Жыл бұрын
Why are you a furry?
@tadeuszkolak4937
@tadeuszkolak4937 Жыл бұрын
@@Hamlet2344 why does it matter, this guy is worth his salt. He is reading the book , and has even seen each movie. His comment was constructive and relevant to the video. Yours however, why? No one cares lol
@menacing817
@menacing817 Жыл бұрын
@@tadeuszkolak4937 Furries are bad because they sexualize animals, and that's pretty bad.
@peasantfarmerr8917
@peasantfarmerr8917 Жыл бұрын
@@Hamlet2344 yeah, that guy above me, why does it matter?
@johan2174
@johan2174 Жыл бұрын
It's actually also in the 1979 movie (at one point a Frenchman using wirecutters is killed).
@cadenibz
@cadenibz Жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but watching a "historian" say historically inaccurate things while calling a movie inaccurate is hilarious. Trenches did flood. In alot of cases prisoners where not taken. And your NOT. A historian. Also it's not overly Gorey and the kid with the glasses got hit with a shell. Shrapnel went through his glasses of course you trying to find any fault possible wouldn't note that.
@lol-un6nl
@lol-un6nl 3 ай бұрын
This guy is full of shit
@razzledazzle8593
@razzledazzle8593 Жыл бұрын
Few things 1. Prisoners on the field were common, but when the POW camps became full, they sent out troops to kill them. Also, what would a few surrendered soldiers on the battlefield help with knowledge? They were useless to the French. The German soldiers were questioned at Mons to see if they saw knights from heaven shooting at them and many others were questioned about other things, but I just don't see how those 3 soldiers would be worth getting an officer's hands dirty for. 2. Hand to hand combat was "extremely rare?" Maybe in 1914 but absolutely not when you're in the trenches. Also, you ride the 1930's and 1970's version of the movie when they both had scenes with hand-to-hand combat. This line made me throw all of your criticisms out the window. Literally look up hand to hand combat weapons. The trench knife? The spiked club? Hell, stormtroopers had body armor to protect them crossing the trenches. 3. What does barb wire disappearing have to do with historical accuracy. You're acting like one continuity error just ruined the entire movie. Not to mention plenty of war movies have continuity errors. 4. You haven't read the book. You've only watched the 1930's version. The fork death was in the book. 5. If you actually listened to the movie, you'd know that the artillery attack was a creeping barrage which isn't just one artillery shell hitting an enclosed area of the trench, it's a line of artillery so of course it would make that huge aftermath. Also don't know where you pulled the nuke thing out of. Clearly, you've never seen a nuke aftermath. 6. There is not a hundred bodies, near 20 at most. Plus, you talk bad about the film for "overreacting" then get mad when the bodies of the German soldiers just have gunshot wounds. 7. Playing Hoi4 a few times doesn't make you a historian. It's a shame because your ranking WW1 movies video is really good but this video is absolutely terrible
@duskworker8469
@duskworker8469 9 ай бұрын
the hand-to-hand weapon scene in question is when he accidentally falls into a shell hole and there turns out to be a frenchman already in the hole. it is a close, personal encounter that unravels less than 5 feet from each other with no chance to react in any other way. To call this like a 'hand-to-hand combat' encounter is totally ridiculous. Just stop trying to justify AQOTWF 2020 it was god-awful.
@Nikolai1939
@Nikolai1939 9 ай бұрын
​@@duskworker8469 they were struggling and trying to grapple, then one of them pulled a knife, how is that not hand to hand combat, also there's plenty more scenes of longer hand to hand engagements in the film
@FIVEBASKET
@FIVEBASKET Жыл бұрын
It's better than most Netflix films so a win is a win
@trolltalwar
@trolltalwar Жыл бұрын
Stop being a cuck. Have a spine. Admit that its crap and history revisionism
@FIVEBASKET
@FIVEBASKET Жыл бұрын
@@trolltalwar what i just said it's better then most Netflix films I'm not praising it
@jonaswhale6451
@jonaswhale6451 Жыл бұрын
Net flu is a Deception channel In Optima Forma , go read a book if you dont want to srew your poor brains !
@PCgamer923
@PCgamer923 Жыл бұрын
It's all been a real crapshoot the past few years and no hope in the future.
@andresgagge6977
@andresgagge6977 Жыл бұрын
lmao that's really not saying much
@thomaswictor1751
@thomaswictor1751 Жыл бұрын
In the German army, trench clearing was called "Aufrollen." It was done with hand grenades, rifle grenades, explosives, and flamethrowers. The men rehearsed the attack in full-scale models of the enemy trench system built behind German lines, and they carried maps into battle. The training was very rigorous and effective.
@maximkretsch7134
@maximkretsch7134 Жыл бұрын
@@goldenhawk352 In his book "Storm of Steel" German philosopher and war veteran Ernst Jünger depicted on several occasions and in detail how enemy trenches were cleared mainly with handgrenades.
@henkschrader4513
@henkschrader4513 Жыл бұрын
Don't forget gassing the french out
@alanpennie
@alanpennie 8 ай бұрын
​​@@maximkretsch7134 If you think about it such concussion weapons would have been very lethal in a trench while the people standing above it would have been in little danger.
@maximkretsch7134
@maximkretsch7134 8 ай бұрын
@alanpennie Right, Ernst Jünger also described that as the trenches were zig-zagging the hand grenades were thrown over the top into the section behind the next corner. For this purpose some of his men also stayed over the top and advanced parallel.
@ricarte1986
@ricarte1986 13 күн бұрын
If you ask me, in both wars, germany has really good training, don’t know how the hell they lost.
@rickpickle
@rickpickle Жыл бұрын
i enjoyed it a lot. i found it very gritty, and the transition from proud singing to losing all his friends then finally his own life, in the last 3 days of war, are a brutal reminder of the futility. this movie inspired me to acquire the book, and to search for more accounts of ww1 life. it's humbling. the last seen where kat and paul steal from the farmer the 2nd time is metal. the piano starts signaling (thought we don't know it yet) kat's fate, he stared into the sky hearing the quiet for the first time in years, not knowing these are the last hours of his life. i recently watched the 79 version and will get to the 1930s version soon.
@rickpickle
@rickpickle Жыл бұрын
i've watched the original german language version with english subtitles and there are some subtle differences that give other cues (clues?) to the scenes context.
@djelias1252
@djelias1252 6 ай бұрын
I think he is to harsh and he shouldn’t expect a movie to be perfect
@gavinstreu1250
@gavinstreu1250 Жыл бұрын
How can you shit on a movie as horrific and yet so beautiful as this
@tuplat5107
@tuplat5107 Жыл бұрын
For same reason as we shit on movies like Patriot and Braveheart , they might be okay as movies but as HISTORICAL movies they suck ass
@jessiehooten7458
@jessiehooten7458 Жыл бұрын
I think they did touch on them being replacements by showing the uniforms of dead soldiers being repurposed at the beginning. He even goes back and says someone already was assigned them, and he rips of the tag and lies to the kid.
@ieatmice751
@ieatmice751 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I’m pretty sure the name tag was from the guy at the start of the movie
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
That scene was total BS. Think about it. In the midst of battle uniforms are being torn apart and caked in mud (as are people) and hey you're going to stop and strip your dead comrade naked to recycle their uniform. Sorry but as a veteran it is obvious these filmmakers were just making stuff up. In WWI they used to leave dead bodies in No Man's Land for weeks and the rats ate them!! The uniform scene makes my blood boil it so unrealistic. Pure melodrama to dupe audiences.
@RamesesBolton
@RamesesBolton Жыл бұрын
Half the stuff this guy critiques are completely wrong. I don't know if he is a historian or not, but he definitely didn't pay attention to the movie
@redbloodcell4047
@redbloodcell4047 Жыл бұрын
Yeah if you miss that detail, you've not watched the film closely enough. It was fairly obvious what was being depicted as soon as they began washing the uniforms in the tubs.
@RamesesBolton
@RamesesBolton Жыл бұрын
@@redbloodcell4047 He was probably multi tasking while watching the movie. That's how I miss obvious and important parts of a movie
@Groovy_Bruce
@Groovy_Bruce Жыл бұрын
I focused on the horror more than anything else. I think the film succeeded and espousing an anti war message.
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
Why would this be any more anti-war than Saving Private Ryan. It is just a big blood bath. The nuance and power of Remarque's story is lost.
@Groovy_Bruce
@Groovy_Bruce Жыл бұрын
@@lawrencewood289 the intent of leadership. Saving private Ryan’s plot, even if you don’t agree with the decision to risk many men for one man, has some semblance of moral reasoning to it. You could also call Americas involvement in ww2 moral, though I personally could never look at any war as being good. This version of the film, like the actual war, leans into the senselessness of the sacrifice involved, especially at the conclusion. It struck me beyond the brutality, though the brutality was also striking. My takeaway watching it was “wow war is horrifying.” Not a profound statement or thought, but a profound feeling in the moment. Still, the experience is subjective. To each their own.
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
@@Groovy_Bruce Agreed on your moral framework. That was the essence of the original novel and prior film versions as well. Remarque's work is anti-war and a rebuke to German militarism. Hence it was banned in the Third Reich. Just felt this version was sooo heavy-handed in telling the message as well as butchering the characters and plot line of the novel as well as historical realities.
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
@Dat Crab WWI is by no means a pointless war if you are... Belgian French Serbian Czech Slovak Polish Slovenian Croat Saudi etc. Arguably also for Britain it was necessary to prevent Germany upsetting the balance of power and Italy because they gained the Trentno and the city of Trieste (which they hold to this day). Germany was an aggressive power deeply threatening the national sovereignty of Belgium and France. Did you think it was pointless for them to resist? Also, many other groups above achieved national self-determination thanks to WWI (albeit some like the Saudis under an absolute monarchy). So yes WWI was pointless from the standpoint of the German Empire and Austria-Hungary which it essentially destroyed. Not so much for other groups involved.
@raiden_187
@raiden_187 Жыл бұрын
BTW he's looking at it from a completely historical perspective. He isn't talking about the story and it's depth, simply talking about historical accuracy. U have to understand that before watching his vids. Personally I loved the movie. This isn't a review
@theempire3141
@theempire3141 Жыл бұрын
Kat got shot in the liver by the farmer kid. And as stated by the medic in movie. His organs were poisoned because he got shot in the liver.
@fesr90
@fesr90 Жыл бұрын
It's not really an adaptation of either the previous movies or the book. It is an interpretation, with another look. It would have been boring to see another movie with the exact same story. About this new version, as a historian by profession, I consider it to be good material, even for students who are studying the first world war in school
@BaronvonMoorland
@BaronvonMoorland Жыл бұрын
I’d highly recommend the 1930s version for students versus this one.
@ottersirotten4290
@ottersirotten4290 Жыл бұрын
"interpretation" is the out of jail free card for basterizing works of Art, just make an Movie of your own if you intend to wipe your a*** with the source material anyway. Calling it like the source material just to "interprete" villy nilly is ticket bait
@ottersirotten4290
@ottersirotten4290 Жыл бұрын
@@blaue_blue "Military Officers bad=social Dems good. Also f*** historical Accuracy, only the Message matters" wow, cant wait for it to played in Schools...
@macsenhayes
@macsenhayes Жыл бұрын
Then they should give it a different name.
@BaronvonMoorland
@BaronvonMoorland Жыл бұрын
@@macsenhayes it’s true. They shouldn’t have said it was related.
@eisenritter7805
@eisenritter7805 Жыл бұрын
Amazing how some guy can gather 178k subscribers on a history channel despite clearly not being a historian.
@jasontrujillo6316
@jasontrujillo6316 10 ай бұрын
The fork incident is from the book, where a patient does not want to live as a cripple, but he survives. Kat's death is also anticlimactic just like the book . All Quiet is my favorite book. Felt like this movie accurately depicted the horror that Remarque describes as well as showed us scenes from the book that have not been depicted on screen such as the "Goose Feast" and took significant artistic license to not be a shot for shot remake. What bugged me was the ending. In the book, Paul is basically a child experiencing this and has a soul and the ending in the book reveals the title. The ending of the movie is not only historically inaccurate, but steals from Paul's nature. Read the book if you haven't. It will truly grip your soul.
@thog9501
@thog9501 Ай бұрын
I understand this criticism, but to me it feels like you're saying oranges are bad because they don't taste like apples. I don't think it has to be identical. The story functions just as well by demonstrating Paul's descent from humanity. I felt sick watching this movie and it is probably the best "anti war" film I have ever watched. Paul's character development felt very natural
@silasmerzenich
@silasmerzenich Жыл бұрын
Im sure he never read the book and he isnt a real historian
@d.b.animations4110
@d.b.animations4110 Жыл бұрын
Good sir, 1. Before the structure collapsed on Baumar the Commanding officer in the shelter stated that the french were coming and that the artillery moves forward as the french advanced. so all the death is normal. ( Due to grenades, and stuff where thrown) 2. The topic is sensitive to both sides due to the mass unnecessary losses. And for that reason, I believe the cast actually tried their best to make it fictional but accurate. with fiction I mean that not all the words are accurate) 3. The frontline trenches were not always met with a lot of care because they would be destroyed allot, so in the end, they would quickly be rebuilt.
@helmutkogelberger6612
@helmutkogelberger6612 Жыл бұрын
@3 That is wrong. These trenches were kept in the best possible condition as they were the first line of defence. And they were also the temporary "home" for the units stationed there. There was a constant threat of enemy raids trying to take prisoners, capture the rare machine guns and blow up the dugouts. A waterlogged row of craters would offer no protection from harassing artillery fire and standing in mud the whole day would give you trench foot or at least ruin your footwear. Check original pictures from these trenches or read "Goodbye to all that", the wartime memoirs of Robert Graves. He describes how every night working parties repaired or improved the trenches. Any neglecting would be paid in blood.
@davielias4404
@davielias4404 Жыл бұрын
@@helmutkogelberger6612 What about the rats, lices, rain, and... you know... Verdun?
@helmutkogelberger6612
@helmutkogelberger6612 Жыл бұрын
@@davielias4404 The troops pretty quickly learned how to build trenches that would not have half a meter of standing water in it. After one week in the mud your boots would fall apart. The most horrific pictures were usually taken in no mans´ land or after a massive artillery barrage that levelled the front line trenches. When the subsequent attack was repulsed repair of the trenches would start right away. Besides, there was really not much else to do for the troops, apart from standing watch, night patrols and avoiding the occasional shell being sent across no mans´land.
@rhysnichols8608
@rhysnichols8608 Жыл бұрын
Yeah good point, how tf is this ‘historian’ mad at the lack of duckboards and concrete bunkers etc?? Yes they existed but not everywhere
@tommythetemplar
@tommythetemplar 10 ай бұрын
@@rhysnichols8608 duckboards existed everywhere lmaooo
@skiteufr
@skiteufr Жыл бұрын
What a strange "historian"... Tanks were a regular sight in 1918. The French had produced tanks in thousands by that time. Flamethrowers were also used a lot. Typically, 1918 saw combined gaz and flamethrowers attacks by the French mile the one at Ypres The French had also special units who did this job. They were called "Nettoyeurs de tranchées", trench cleaners. They consisted of the most experienced men of the regiment who had special equipment and weapons to do that.
@kevindunn2663
@kevindunn2663 Жыл бұрын
Maybe he's confused that that title actually means something.
@jonathanbirch2022
@jonathanbirch2022 Жыл бұрын
You don’t know what you’re talking about. They didn’t send in flamethrower squads directly after tanks anyway, this movie is not at all historically accurate. Stop lying kid
@AussieLeftist
@AussieLeftist 11 ай бұрын
@@jonathanbirch2022provide an ounce of proof ‘kid’
@jonathanbirch2022
@jonathanbirch2022 11 ай бұрын
@@AussieLeftist it’s called google, bud
@AussieLeftist
@AussieLeftist 11 ай бұрын
@@jonathanbirch2022 it’s called supporting your claim with evidence ‘bud’
@metalfuk1
@metalfuk1 Жыл бұрын
All the people in the comments who are saying you're a hater obviously did not read the book. It's glaringly obvious that this comment section is filled with film buffs, not WW1 buffs.
@jdjshzhhhsushhszjp8969
@jdjshzhhhsushhszjp8969 Жыл бұрын
it’s people that like accurate depictions of war. dont care if their uniform is a bit wrong or the story is strayed from the book, i want the gruesome realities of front line trench combat
@uwotm8
@uwotm8 10 ай бұрын
I feel like these film producers hire historical experts but completely ignore most of their advice.
@hind6799
@hind6799 9 ай бұрын
Most of nowadays directors and writers express a certain degree of arrogance that makes them somewhat immune to advice
@azimus1776
@azimus1776 Жыл бұрын
The French DID do mass wave attacks as late as 1916, but had switched over to the small squad level assault teams by the end of that year (at least according to Allistaire Horne in "Death of a Generation", great book)
@Michael-on3ku
@Michael-on3ku Жыл бұрын
How dare you have a dissenting opinion AND cite a source to support your opinion! *sarcasm*
@soren9310
@soren9310 Жыл бұрын
@@Michael-on3ku Alex said very clearly, that he tactic used depends on the year and that the movie plays in 1917, thus no mass suicide attacks
@unapologeticpatriot6504
@unapologeticpatriot6504 Жыл бұрын
What about the Germans?
@soren9310
@soren9310 Жыл бұрын
@@unapologeticpatriot6504 The Germans stopped attacks on the Western Front in 1916 and concentrated on the East front
@gordonbergslien30
@gordonbergslien30 Жыл бұрын
The Nivelle Offensive of April-May 1917 unleashed mass waves of French infantry. Minimal ground was gained, the French suffered 120,000 casualties, the army mutinied and Nivelle was sacked.
@costa200
@costa200 Жыл бұрын
Some of these criticisms... People are never happy. This is the best movie of its sort. Period.
@richardlooch2109
@richardlooch2109 Жыл бұрын
watch the 1930 film. you will get why people are upset. also watch the 1979 film. it is good too.
@chrisp9046
@chrisp9046 Жыл бұрын
The best movie of its sort? Not quite. It’s decent. I mean look at some of the scenes where artillery strikes near a main character. He’s basically unscathed 😂 can’t say the same about Saving Private Ryan. One criticism of mine. All the criticisms in this video are valid.
@jdjshzhhhsushhszjp8969
@jdjshzhhhsushhszjp8969 Жыл бұрын
@@chrisp9046id say this is miles ahead of saving private ryan. it’s the best war movie i’ve ever seen by far. it gives a sense of genuine war, and not a stupid story. there is no story, it’s just death and trenches.
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
@@jdjshzhhhsushhszjp8969 That may "feel" right..but there's always a story. I mean there's a book "Last letters from Stalingrad". Those guys are surrounded and going to suffer a very bad fate from the Soviets. you'd be AMAZED at what guys were writing in their letters. This 2022 version is a video game/comic book movie (I don't like those, others do); it isn't All Quiet on the Western Front. I respectfully responded to you in another post why I felt that way.
@jdjshzhhhsushhszjp8969
@jdjshzhhhsushhszjp8969 Жыл бұрын
@@lawrencewood289 i agree that it didn’t stay true to the original, and there is not a lot of character development, nor a story. so i understand your view, but i personally feel it actually made it more realistic. towards the end of the war, germany was losing more soldiers than you can comprehend, and it was absolute chaos. there is no order within the battlefield, nothing but death, and waiting for more death. charges were unsuccessful, and any land gained was quickly retaken, and the cycle continued. i agree most of the war was waiting for battle to start, and disease, but this movie isn’t about that. it’s about the brutality of these battles (almost seems fake). i would not call it an exaggeration at all, as these things did happen. men did get cleared out by the hundreds while running through no mans land
@icecold4614
@icecold4614 Жыл бұрын
did bro really bring up modern ukraine trench clearing to old german clearing? different time, different nation, different tactics.
@edwardmaller9088
@edwardmaller9088 Жыл бұрын
"how can I feel empathy for someone who spared nobody" he didnt exaclly have a choise in the matter. I mean what was he gonna do, not shoot the enamy and get his own men, or himself killled. Also when you reacted to the short film "sodatengluck" towards the end a german sargent shoots a soviet who is trying to surrender and you said, "this is exactly waht would happen".
@demonxkiller1
@demonxkiller1 Жыл бұрын
He also did try to save the one French soldiers life after he stabbed him. He's a very empathetic character.
@edwardmaller9088
@edwardmaller9088 Жыл бұрын
@@demonxkiller1 indeed
@marcelgrundmann9539
@marcelgrundmann9539 Жыл бұрын
Yes you correctly mentioned it was a fictional book but based on real events and people. The first version of the book and movie were shocking records of what happened. I have seen the original censored version in " Buchenwald" on a trip through German history, This version is 4 hrs long and holy shit, all scenes are real footageand what you see is how it was. That version is still not easy to get hold of. the 1928 version is actually censored, shortened and only shows half of it! I am German, all my grandfathers fought, WW1 and WW2. My Grandmother grew up with French prisoners of war pulling their plough through the field because the German army had taken all cows and horses. I ve heard stories from survivors myself when i was young. Yes, they fought with clubs, spades, knifes, spears, sharpened anything that wielded well.... especially when raiding at night as to quietly kill so not to alert the whole enemy trench.....
@Danzo6333
@Danzo6333 Жыл бұрын
How many grandfather do you have?
@denizbeytekin9853
@denizbeytekin9853 Жыл бұрын
I never understood WW1. Why not bombarding the trenches 24/7 with artillery, since all the soldiers are deployed there?
@jonaswhale6451
@jonaswhale6451 Жыл бұрын
@@denizbeytekin9853 They needed to get rid of massive amouts of people , like they do now with cojona , and a war on top of it . The War against the people ,, Edwin Black , wrote this book about the eugenists who had a big hand in depopulate the working class after they wrecked the big farmers and landowners . A must read !
@gerritgrauwinkel8665
@gerritgrauwinkel8665 Жыл бұрын
@@denizbeytekin9853 because the soldiers would just wait in their bunkers and wait until the shelling is over. Thats why the creeping barage was used (mentioned in the video). It forced the defenders in ther bunkers to allow atacking infantry to close the distance to the enemy trenches.
@phaeronseherekh1754
@phaeronseherekh1754 Жыл бұрын
@@denizbeytekin9853 Because of limited industrial capabilities (yes ammunition problems were a big thing during certain points of the war for both sides) and how very very effective a good trench was, which was why the western front stagnated so thoroughly.
@shahraiyan2519
@shahraiyan2519 Жыл бұрын
I still enjoyed it greatly and it still sends the message that war is terrible and that not everyone is a Saint. Either way, this is probably the best depiction of war you are going to get in today's films
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
Saving Private Ryan was superior to this. I also think Stalingrad (1993) as well.
@waltuh11121
@waltuh11121 Жыл бұрын
@@lawrencewood289 Saving Private Ryan is dogshit, but Stalingrad (1993) is indeed great
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
@@waltuh11121 Not sure I agree but whatever SPR was it was better than this (Yes, its fundamental plot line was pretty silly). This version besides hacking the plot to death has poor character development.
@truereaper4572
@truereaper4572 9 ай бұрын
@@waltuh11121 I wouldn't call SPR dogshit, it's a good film, better than this film at least. Stalingrad 1993 does sweep though.
@Dogmeat69420
@Dogmeat69420 7 ай бұрын
More like a self-proclaimed historian 😂
@marniekilbourne608
@marniekilbourne608 4 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@RexidusUR
@RexidusUR 4 ай бұрын
How’s that
@euroipolo
@euroipolo Жыл бұрын
this guy thought they made the movie for him, the director made the movie with his own perspective, not for you man.
@jakefrumstatefarm1771
@jakefrumstatefarm1771 Жыл бұрын
I loved the movie, possibly one of the best things Netflix has shat out.
@BOBofGH
@BOBofGH Жыл бұрын
Lol your phrasing made me chuckle. Also overall accurate when it comes to Netflix’s programming. This movie was great though.
@samfranklin659
@samfranklin659 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂
@happy_turtle1270
@happy_turtle1270 Жыл бұрын
Now I want to see a 99% accurate ww1 movie
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
Try the 1930 version. Its much closer. Paths of Glory is pretty darn good too.
@happy_turtle1270
@happy_turtle1270 Жыл бұрын
@@lawrencewood289 ok thx
@planarian1772
@planarian1772 Жыл бұрын
It's alot better than most war movies nowadays, this is one of the few movies I've watched that puts the reality of war into prespective.
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
The video game/comic book genre is a low bar. Try the 1930 version.
@jdjshzhhhsushhszjp8969
@jdjshzhhhsushhszjp8969 Жыл бұрын
@@lawrencewood289i keep seeing people say try the 1930s version like this movie is 1000 times more realistic
@Courierman6
@Courierman6 Жыл бұрын
@@jdjshzhhhsushhszjp8969 and it really isn't
@dr.woozie7500
@dr.woozie7500 Жыл бұрын
@@lawrencewood289 I don't know how you can compare with the 1930 version. If they had the resources and technology to portray it in the same way as today, sure it may have been better. But the 1930s version also has its fair share of comical deaths and over the top brutality.
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
@@dr.woozie7500 War has over the top brutality. The 1930 version was way more faithful to the story including important philosophical elements and had a better depiction of WWI soldiers' experience. What deaths from the 1930 version were comical?
@perkele7192
@perkele7192 Жыл бұрын
Anyway it's good film
@nash_streams
@nash_streams Жыл бұрын
I agree
@nuttmc4803
@nuttmc4803 Жыл бұрын
My fav ww1 movie so far
@BaronvonMoorland
@BaronvonMoorland Жыл бұрын
1930’s version WAY better imo
@SuperSpasticNinja
@SuperSpasticNinja Жыл бұрын
@@nuttmc4803 If you loved this I'd highly recommend The Rifleman (2019) (named Blizzard of Souls in some other countries.) Easily one of my favorite WW1 movies of all time
@nuttmc4803
@nuttmc4803 Жыл бұрын
@@SuperSpasticNinja ye i watched it its also good
@klausj1544
@klausj1544 Жыл бұрын
I have seen all 3 films and have read the book, I can tell you that personally I liked the 2022 version the most. I can understand that it’s not as accurate as the other two but when it comes to the artistic side of things, I believe that it truly shines and still retains the overarching theme of All Quiet on the Western Front. I honestly find your take to be disingenuous, perhaps it’s because you don’t have a background in the arts and filmmaking in general. This film has amazing cinematography, sound design, editing and writing to name a few. As a work of art it’s good and deeply impactful, just because a work doesn’t depict an event with 100% accuracy, doesn’t mean that it should be discredited. Otto Dix was a famous German painter that fought in WWI and he created various works based on his memories of the war, they are not a 100% accurate depiction but are still deeply impactful for the viewer and give a glimpse into the mental state of Otto and perhaps most soldiers that served on the front. Hopefully you don’t make a video titled “Historian Gets Mad at Otto Dix’s depiction of WWI”.
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
I've seen all three and read the book too. Sorry I profoundly disagree. This version is loud and muddy and bloody but its character development is poor, the plot is a wish mash and I'm sorry but there is just egregiously stupid unrealistic stuff. Some banzai charge at the end of the movie? Huh? WTH?!. You talk about a work of art. Well in this case the art is supposed to depict a real event and this film is so far off it is almost ludicrous. Its historical scenes are wrong and it misses the point of the "mundane or ordinary" that is so important to understanding the novel. Think about where the darn title comes from! (Or yes we can go purist and talk about "in The West, nothing new". How does that square with some giant end battle? It doesn''t).
@baldrickthedungspreader3107
@baldrickthedungspreader3107 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking that a lot of the scenes in the film felt like they were taken straight out of one of Otto Dix's paintings, really honed in the point that war is a human meat grinder
@axelemilraith8904
@axelemilraith8904 Жыл бұрын
@@lawrencewood289 Did you watch the same movie as I did? The end battle isn't about depicting a realistic charge or whatever, it's to show how terrible war is, and shows the sadness of how generals like Friedrichs can spill the blood of his men for small personal pride and "honour". There are 15 minutes left until the armistice, and this fills the room with tension as you've seen how far the protagonist has gone, and somehow share his experiences as you the viewer have put yourself in his shoes throughout the movie, for him to ultimately die at the end, showing how war isn't merciful nor cares if you're the "main character". All his experiences were basically for nothing, as the memories shared with his friends die with him. To me this ending, when the boy he saved has to collect the dog tags, shows how life goes on, but very bittersweet as this boy is a representation of the cycle of war. I think the ending is clever cause it references the start of the movie. Honestly I think that this movie is great because of the how the message and theme is presented throughout the movie, both in symbolism and the script etc., which to me makes the realism part matter less, as this in fact IS cinema.
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
@@axelemilraith8904 Yes we watched the same movie. Sorry but IMO you don't just get to make stuff up to make your philosophical point. If I'm some Confederate wackjob in the US who thinks the South was great I can't just make a movie and show Pickett's charge at Gettysburg succeeding and the Confederacy going on to triumph. The director has essentially appropriated a famous title and then fabricated a completely different work; it's almost like clickbait. Also, artistically it doesn't work...look at the title All QUIET on the Western Front. (The title in German is different but same concept). There is nothing about a massive final attack that is quiet. That was the beauty of the real original ending. he dies for....nothingness, nothing particular going on from a macro scale but from a "Paul Baumer scale" it was finis. This director is dense and heavyhanded artistically so yup I despise his lack of realism but my critique goes WAY deeper than that.
@waltuh11121
@waltuh11121 Жыл бұрын
How the fuck are you comparing Otto Dix's paintings with this last movie? Dix was on the front, whoever directed this movide didn't
@adrian_zombturtle148
@adrian_zombturtle148 Жыл бұрын
Awsome video. I learned alot of valuable knowledge, I really loved to part were u explained the part with the forward attacking trenches
@lucabo1201
@lucabo1201 9 ай бұрын
I dont Think you understand you the film wasnt Made to be historical accurate or anything it was just there to Show that war is hell and it showed that perfectly
@andrewweaver2517
@andrewweaver2517 Жыл бұрын
Bro, I'm like 11 years out of the Army, first deployment was in 2007 to Iraq. I remember so much. The good and the bad. Regardless of his time on the front line, he knew enough to tell a true story without obvious embellishments. 11 years later isn't sus to me at all. It takes that long to be comfortable enough to speak on it.
@shusterandy
@shusterandy Жыл бұрын
I'm wondering watching this movie do think this a good movie from a veterans perspective?
@AbnAngelo7677
@AbnAngelo7677 Жыл бұрын
@@shusterandy I’m still in today and doubtless have less experience than Weaver, but I’d say it definitely gets the point across.
@shusterandy
@shusterandy Жыл бұрын
@@AbnAngelo7677 thanks that's good to know.
@V2rocketproductions
@V2rocketproductions Жыл бұрын
I definitely enjoy watching all of your videos! For this movie, I did notice the large difference from its original portrayal in the book and original films. Personally though, I really liked it. It felt more like an experience rather than a film. You take some young soldiers and you stick them in a war that is so overwhelming that you, as an audience member, feel overwhelmed. Is it the best film ever? Definitely not. But it does feel different and hits the single purpose that the book wanted: war is hell and should not be celebrated. That theme in itself is what’s important about all quiet on the western front. As a historian, I say it’s worth watching all 3 versions. You’ll get a different experience each time, like watching 3 entirely different films on WWI.
@BaronvonMoorland
@BaronvonMoorland Жыл бұрын
I would have appreciated coming to know these soldiers, growing with them, through being convinced through school, training struggles, etc. as he noted in the review, I felt the same regarding the lack of character development. The runtime for this new one is exactly the length of the 1930s movie, which had so much more impact on the overall story.
@V2rocketproductions
@V2rocketproductions Жыл бұрын
@@BaronvonMoorland I entirely agree with you! The original has more character development and a better story ark. That’s why I say this new one is more of an experience rather than a film. I think what the German filmmakers were trying to do with this one is give an alienated take of World War 1. I feel the theme wanted you as an audience member to feel disconnected in ways similar to how the soldiers themselves felt disconnected. Similar to war, we don’t always get the chance or ability to bond with the people next to us. Sometimes we are so shocked by what we see that our ability to have attachment is withered away. This is of course just my opinion :) I’ve read the book and seen the 30’s and 70’s version too. I like them all. They all perform splendidly in depicting the one thing the book warned us about: do not glorify war.
@BaronvonMoorland
@BaronvonMoorland Жыл бұрын
@@V2rocketproductions certainly a good take and thank you for that. I felt the same in my initial opinion of this one, that it felt like great material for film-trailers and music-videos. Now, Ernst Jünger’s book - Storm of Steel. I’m torn between wanting to see that made into film but fearing the rendition it’s created into.
@matthiuskoenig3378
@matthiuskoenig3378 Жыл бұрын
I have to disagree, the most recent one pushes the message too hard, it's too blatant, too cartoonish and too accusitory. If war is bad, then you don't need to push it this hard, just show us the reality. Instead we get warped propoganda. Infact I don't think any story should try to make an 'anti-war messege' for this reason, just like they should try and make a gloryful war message. if war is bad just showing it as it is/was will be enough, let us come to the conclusion. The problem is directors don't want to show us realsitic war. Not only because they think it will be too graphic (which should aide their cause) but because they know deep down there is stuff to glorify in war and they are too scared people will latch on to that part of the reality, many have admitted as much.
@V2rocketproductions
@V2rocketproductions Жыл бұрын
@@BaronvonMoorland that’s a book I need to read. I’ve heard it’s pretty intense and gives a powerful description of the war. Probably will pick it up soon for a winter read.
@Feign72
@Feign72 6 ай бұрын
And bro literally said that kats death was “to lame” bro doesn’t even sound like a historian. Had me rolling 😂
@Austin-en2op
@Austin-en2op 2 ай бұрын
Yeah the whole point was his and others deaths were just another dog tag put in the bag
@locoaps126
@locoaps126 10 ай бұрын
This criticism is not about the philosophy of the movie, it's about the small details those would have made it historically and cinematically more appealing while not changing the ultimate message of the movie, that(message) in itself takes a lots of creative liberties. I absolutely love this movie and I agree with a lot of stuff he says. It's a KZfaq commentary not a scientific paper, take it for what it is.
@brandon97652
@brandon97652 Жыл бұрын
Saying that the attackers were at the advantage is so wrong. One side has to stay in there trenches and shoot machine guns, the over side has to get to them first while under fire and then fight them in the trenches when they can easily be reinforced.
@historylegends
@historylegends Жыл бұрын
False
@Courierman6
@Courierman6 Жыл бұрын
@@historylegends that's all you have to say
@alanpennie
@alanpennie 8 ай бұрын
​@@historylegends It's annoying the way these glaring untruths get repeated.
@alanpennie
@alanpennie 8 ай бұрын
​@@Courierman6 You could read an actual book about WW1.
@Courierman6
@Courierman6 8 ай бұрын
@@alanpennie I have
@Qadir-24
@Qadir-24 Жыл бұрын
Despite some inaccuracies all quiet on the western front is a good movie for a Netflix movie. BTW Well done on hitting 175k subscribers bro, being with you since the good old "Fury" videos.
@historylegends
@historylegends Жыл бұрын
Wow! I see you’re a veteran 🫡
@trolltalwar
@trolltalwar Жыл бұрын
This movie sucked rofl
@Qadir-24
@Qadir-24 Жыл бұрын
@@historylegends I am, 😂just never commented much. I remember the channel popping off with COD Vanguard and the Russo-Ukrainian war...... Keep up the great work bro, don't let negativity deter you💪
@themolasser9110
@themolasser9110 Жыл бұрын
@@trolltalwar you having a bad day?
@trolltalwar
@trolltalwar Жыл бұрын
@@themolasser9110 no im having a great day. why do you think negative criticism is indicative of a bad day? if the movie was good i would of said its good. but its not, so i said it sucks. i have a spine and am not afraid to point out crap when i see it.
@redaug4212
@redaug4212 Жыл бұрын
There's an unfortunate trend that's becoming more prevalent in modern war movies that tries to disguise unrealistic action and horror behind the "war is hell" trope. It's the same problem I had with Fury back in the day. Instead of depicting how soldiers actually felt, acted, and behaved in combat, these directors ramp it up to 11 and make warfare look as intense as possible, even if it's not realistic and comes off as silly to anyone who's actually knowledgeable about the subject. I have a feeling if Band of Brothers was made today, younger audiences would probably scoff at how reserved it is with its depiction of combat precisely because they've been taught to believe war looks like an action movie or a video game. It's a shame too because Netflix's adaptation is well made from a technical perspective.
@MudHut67
@MudHut67 Жыл бұрын
These movies also make it out as if the soldiers during the world wars hated each other and brutalized each other and never showed mercy. Most troops during both wars didn't want to kill each other, most showed mercy. There's always exceptions of course, there were atrocities committed by both sides. But it does make me wonder exactly why these directors want it to seen like there was so much mutual hatred 🤔
@yearginclarke
@yearginclarke Жыл бұрын
I completely agree. Glad I became interested in WW1 long before Battlefield 1. I don't associate it with video games or movies, and I hate to see unrealistic and overblown movies like this. As far as Band of Brothers, that's one of the best I've seen yet.
@pianoman-1359
@pianoman-1359 Жыл бұрын
Not every war film is an attempt to appeal to armchair military kids who cry about realism, at the end of the day its an anti-war film and its not portraying itself to be an highly accurate portrayal of combat and battlefield tactics. The intended message of the original book comes across more effectively because of it's intense portrayal of war.
@yearginclarke
@yearginclarke Жыл бұрын
@@pianoman-1359 Felt "cheesy" and overly forced to me rather than a good portrayal of the brutal nature of war. My opinion has more to do with that than historical accuracy. But the aforementioned qualities I get from it do make the historical inaccuracies even more pronounced in this one.
@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479
@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479 Жыл бұрын
@@MudHut67 except of course these guys are in battles, hell they even show that sometimes people do stop trying to kill each other and what happens? Someone who does steps in, ahem the ending In a battlefield the men don't fight because they hate they fight because they want to live, and well you know full well certain troops like flametroopers for bothsides showed and were shown no mercy simply for their equipment (and sometimes taking prisoner was a burden so it was better to kill those who surrendered and kept it hush-hush)
@pantagruel1066
@pantagruel1066 Жыл бұрын
I fought war. This movie was an accurate representation of war at large. It was meant to be all encompassing. Not just for one people.
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
It's not a particularly accurate representation.
@pantagruel1066
@pantagruel1066 Жыл бұрын
@@lawrencewood289 How so? Genuinely curious. With the understanding that war can’t be represented by one movie.
@dr.woozie7500
@dr.woozie7500 Жыл бұрын
@@pantagruel1066 ignore him. He thinks any brutal depiction of combat is a "video game"
@HandleDeezNutzVoluntarily
@HandleDeezNutzVoluntarily Жыл бұрын
The fleeing from a tank scene was taken from when they first saw tanks on mass at Cambrai in 1917.
@MCFrenstar
@MCFrenstar Жыл бұрын
5:00 isnt that the point of the whole Movie/Book that you die by the most random bullshit. Some lucky some dont.
@uncle7215
@uncle7215 Жыл бұрын
exactly
@ieatmice751
@ieatmice751 Жыл бұрын
Yeah instead of Kat dying from a random phantom explosion behind enemy lines there’s a physical presence that kills him The irony and tragedy that he’s killed by a civilian and a boy at that right at the end. If him and Paul had just stayed in the barracks both of them could have survived unharmed, but they had to go back to the farm…
@uncle7215
@uncle7215 Жыл бұрын
@@ieatmice751 the even more poetic part is that Kat gets killed by a kid who is around the same age as his deceased son.
@tempo5366
@tempo5366 Жыл бұрын
Tldl: this guy saw a movie but expected a documentary
@larryalvares1369
@larryalvares1369 3 ай бұрын
That’s what he didn’t expect
@SergyMilitaryRankings
@SergyMilitaryRankings Жыл бұрын
You can tell this guys never been in combat to think the gore is cartoonish
@hrmpug1092
@hrmpug1092 Жыл бұрын
Have you?
@SergyMilitaryRankings
@SergyMilitaryRankings Жыл бұрын
@@hrmpug1092 yes, I work with MSF or doctors without borders, I've treated civilians in Yemen whilst our camp was being shelled, I've worked in Syrian hospitals when the government was barraging the area with artillery and treated soldiers in south Sudan whilst our encampment was under fire from rebel groups, I myself have been injured by shrapnel in Syria, my face, I nearly lost my vision, it was very close to my eye. Wounds from bullets, shrapnel and blasts from explosives, absolutely wreck the body, a high calibre rifle wound like a 5.56 or .308 can literally rip the flesh of the bones, I've seen a what must have been a .50 cal wound that looked like the person had a swallowed a grenade. This film is incredibly accurate in its gore and how it shows the absolute fear and constant stress effects people, constantly thinking that at any point a shell or bullet can hit you destroys your mental well-being, I'm okay because I get to go back to my nice first world life, these people in war zones don't have that luxury.
@hrmpug1092
@hrmpug1092 Жыл бұрын
@@SergyMilitaryRankings ok. That’s what he said. If you actually paid attention he said the men were far too intact!
@dendemano
@dendemano 11 ай бұрын
@@SergyMilitaryRankings I'm so glad I keep you busy. I've also seen the effects of a 50 cal, although it wasn't one. It's not even fun until you've gunned at least (250) half a belt. You're so, so brave, as well as, so, so boring.... !
@dendemano
@dendemano 11 ай бұрын
@@SergyMilitaryRankings Being in combat, as opposed to being in a combat zone are two completely different things.
@jagc1969
@jagc1969 Жыл бұрын
I have not seen this movie yet but for me the best version of "All quiet on the Western Front" so far was the 1930 version. I have heard that many extras were former German WWI veterans. When working at Barcelona, many years ago, there was that security guard who fancied that old-fashioned moustache and had that short blond hair. I always called him "Himmelstoss"... :) It was very easy to imagine him wearing a Pickelhaube.
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
Nice!!!!
@SamuelLanghorn
@SamuelLanghorn Жыл бұрын
Funny hearing a Catalan commenting on WW1. Not sure where you guys were at that time? But you definitely got your share of pain in recent history, civil war and your friendly northern neighbor Mr. Bonaparte telling you where to find happiness a few years earlier.
@jagc1969
@jagc1969 Жыл бұрын
@@SamuelLanghorn I'm not Catalan , and Catalans remained neutral as the rest of Spaniards. Same as Americans until 1917 when the WW! was almost finished , by the way...
@facundocorradini
@facundocorradini Жыл бұрын
The bloodthirsty general looks cartoonish as hell, but it is true that some fought to the last minute before 11am. On that very last day of the war, there were more than 11000 casualties, 3k of them killed and the rest wounded / mia.
@Talvekuningas
@Talvekuningas Жыл бұрын
So not that far fetched after all
@ottersirotten4290
@ottersirotten4290 Жыл бұрын
Did they died due to human wave attacks ordered by Generals? or was it more due to Arty Crews deciding they might as well empty theyre stockpiles and local Units acting on theyre own
@MVProfits
@MVProfits Жыл бұрын
A few US, German and French generals did order these last minutes mayhems. I hate these bastards. How come the troops didn't rebel?
@blakeproductions9025
@blakeproductions9025 Жыл бұрын
The people who led the us advance on the 11 th actually had a congressional hearing after the war due to there actions on the 11th
@ieatmice751
@ieatmice751 Жыл бұрын
@@MVProfits some did and deserted
@AtTheTrack
@AtTheTrack Жыл бұрын
The reason that Tjaden (the guy who stabs himself in the neck with a fork) kills himself is because he can't bare to live in a life where he has witnessed the horror of war. It's not just a random, gory death. It helps get across the message of "war is hell."
@SamAlexInCAN
@SamAlexInCAN Жыл бұрын
Well this man is an official party pooper
@Bcurt1861
@Bcurt1861 Жыл бұрын
Fr
@karljohan3989
@karljohan3989 Жыл бұрын
For those interested in WWI from the german perspective, I recommend reading "Storm of Steel" by Ernst Jünger. Fascinating book. He fought through the entire war so it's interesting to notice how the German Empire started strong then gradually, Jünger mentions the hunger, how outgunned they are by allied artillery, tanks, etc. Remarque only fought for 1 month and a half before being wounded so his experience of the war is more of a snapshot (all quiet on the western front remains a great book nonetheless)
@Panos-xo9rc
@Panos-xo9rc Жыл бұрын
I remember when i read Junger's book in the early 2000's,the Hoffman translation. I had no idea who Junger was or about the book,it just looked interesting and i bought it. Dude,I WAS BLOWN AWAY. Here was the absolute TRUTH,straight from the horse's mouth,the missing link i suspected existed but didn't know where to search for. Ever since i always recommend it. Anyone who hasn't read it is simply missing an almost year by year memoir of a highly decorated field officer,written superbly and without emotionalisations.
@anthonyseta4566
@anthonyseta4566 Жыл бұрын
I love this book. Read this about two years ago. You are very much correct in your recommendation. I think this community would benefit greatly by reading this memoir.
@crazyzombiebos7778
@crazyzombiebos7778 Жыл бұрын
you forget the point of the books my friend, Jünger was an ultranationalist and supported the war whereas Remarque was conscripted and spent over a year in hospital to recover. SOS is pro war… All Quiet is realistic
@karljohan3989
@karljohan3989 Жыл бұрын
@@crazyzombiebos7778 He was definitely pro-german empire and a typical prussian officer to every extent. But throughout the book, it is very clear that he becomes sick, tired and absolutely disgusted by the war and there are several heartbreaking moments. So I wouldn't say that he was pro-war but not a pacifist either. I think that it's still interesting to read both books to have a wide perspective on the german side of this war.
@anthonyseta4566
@anthonyseta4566 Жыл бұрын
@@crazyzombiebos7778 I support both perspectives of these two books.
@legendaryryan1623
@legendaryryan1623 Жыл бұрын
i agree. stories in ww1 of groups of soldiers on the opposite sides coming across each other and hurling insults and stones, not even thinking about shooting each other. even after ww2 militaries realized most soldiers almost never shoot to kill, was too brutal in terms of executing prisoners.
@SFCzeus202
@SFCzeus202 Жыл бұрын
Soldiers not shooting each other is based on a bullshit study done by one man, brigadier general Marshall in the '60s. The study was later shown to have been done using flawed methods. Well trained soldiers will absolutely shoot to kill, even enjoying the thrill of the firefight and actively seeking it out. If you don't want to take my word for it just look up some Ukraine war footage and see how casually soldiers try to kill each other.
@MrThhg
@MrThhg Жыл бұрын
wb bayoneting babies.....? or testing the sharpness of katanas on necks of peeps...
@Jonintheronin
@Jonintheronin Жыл бұрын
@@MrThhg That's a yap specialty
@MudHut67
@MudHut67 Жыл бұрын
@@MrThhg the Germans didn't do that, the Japanese did. When people talk about how soldiers didn't want to kill each other they decline to mention it was because they were all European and at this point on history didn't harbor much ill will
@MrThhg
@MrThhg Жыл бұрын
@@MudHut67 you don’t get the point
@casualarson698
@casualarson698 Жыл бұрын
"Random guy that calls themselves a historian forgets the entire point of the movie they're critical of"
@justsomeguy2080
@justsomeguy2080 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think the all the death in the trench in the trench you mentioned near the beginning of the video was due to artillery, but possibly a trench raid. While they are in the bunker, someone, I can’t remember who, states that the artillery being dropped is a creeping barrage, and the infantry would be behind. And Paul did miss the entire night. It is possible that the trench was taken and then recaptured by the Germans, which happens vice versa later in the film
@spiffywolf2850
@spiffywolf2850 Жыл бұрын
It might be inaccurate but it's quite good and I enjoyed it
@hannahwatkins7992
@hannahwatkins7992 Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind, he isn't a real historian. He has no credentials. He's just a youtuber/tiktoker who uses that as click bait. You can claim anything on the internet. Still do your own research.
@spiffywolf2850
@spiffywolf2850 Жыл бұрын
@@hannahwatkins7992 Your right. Also seeming to ride the train of Ukraine is gonna loose and the media is telling us otherwise. Im no expert but Ukraine could win. Would help if there could be peace talks that actualy went somewhere
@dankengine5304
@dankengine5304 Жыл бұрын
Cartoonish gore? The worse gore is missing limbs or blood splatters from artillery. Seems kinda normal for a war like this.
@ElZedLoL
@ElZedLoL Жыл бұрын
1:45 I found the movie did this perfect. It hinted at it for us, the viewers through reusing cloths of fallen soldiers and other stuff, but portrayed successfully to us the fassade of joy and hope these young boys would be motivated with.
@miyagi5642
@miyagi5642 Жыл бұрын
Great another "historian" saying that accuracy is always important; bruh accuracy is not the only thing that matters in a war movie. This is no historian, this is a afficionate who only cares about accuracy details and not the whole message.
@michaelmuller9385
@michaelmuller9385 Жыл бұрын
My great grandfather was taken at Verdun as a prisoner, then he became translater in the camp, because he did speak french very well (he learned it at school). They could write postcards and they could even take photos at the camp, I have two pictures of him with some of his comrades in the camp. But I seems that there have been some hand to hand fights, because he told my grandmother, that he killed two soldiers eye to eye and he always felt very sorry for it, my grandmother told me.
@harryrabbit3928
@harryrabbit3928 Жыл бұрын
Well these days anyone can call himselfa Historian , I guess. Well so from now on I am a President in spe who is working as a Pornactor.🤣😂
@Theakker3B
@Theakker3B Жыл бұрын
Ok?
@Nyllsor
@Nyllsor Жыл бұрын
"Only the movie did not deserve the title 'All Quiet on the W. Front'[..]" You sir dont deserve the title 'Historian'. P.s. other comments describes why perfectly. P.p.s. the more i watch the more of a disgrace.
@Courierman6
@Courierman6 Жыл бұрын
Bruh lol
@robertsmith2829
@robertsmith2829 10 ай бұрын
Thank you, I find your review helpful and funny. I don't know as much about WW1 as I do about WW2.
@jessiemeisenheimer8675
@jessiemeisenheimer8675 Жыл бұрын
It's a great movie but compared to the ones that came before it? Doesn't hold a candle. On it's own it is quite a well done film.
@Nick-rg8oz
@Nick-rg8oz Жыл бұрын
the training wasn't portrayed but it explicitly said that new retruits take 6 months to train if i remember correctly
@OldSaltBaby
@OldSaltBaby Жыл бұрын
Im gonna place one complaint from this guy below.. "The bodies arnt mangled enough from artillery"
@lol-un6nl
@lol-un6nl 3 ай бұрын
Then proceeds to complain about "senseless gore"
@pb.j.1753
@pb.j.1753 Жыл бұрын
Can you call yourself a historian even though you never studied it?
@TheBlackfall234
@TheBlackfall234 Жыл бұрын
"people dying randomly and pointless, this is unhistorical" i mean... what to say about that ?
@AussieLeftist
@AussieLeftist 11 ай бұрын
@@TheBlackfall234lol “They made it like a video game” “their deaths were anticlimactic and boring”
@JackTheSheep
@JackTheSheep Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna be really honest this is the first one of the your videos I've watched and I must say I feel you are not only largely wrong regarding some "facts" you present in this video but at times your points are completely ludicrous. While this movie is not 100% historically accurate, I mean none really ever are or can be 100%, It achieves it's goal and Erich Maria Remarques goal of showing the horror of War and its complete and utter futility. I mean it's clear you miss these points by your nit picks of "kats death was lame" or "it's too gorey" THATS THE POINT. Kat isn't supposed to die heroically in battle but tragically and needlessly to something stupid as ultimately that is what many casualties in war amount to, a pathetic and worthless death. Of course I believe the choice of death could have been perhaps done better but ultimately I feel it achieved its goal. The movie is different from the books and the other movies but similar enough to retain the same title and purpose. War is most often nothing more than needless mass murder thats the point and while I could spend the rest of the day critiquing this critique I feel I have gotten my point across.
@breadman32398
@breadman32398 Жыл бұрын
They sacrificed realism for cinematography. It's more of an action movie than an impactful war movie with a lesson. Still a pretty good action movie.
@historylegends
@historylegends Жыл бұрын
Yes exactly, well said
@Dannyboi-re7vb
@Dannyboi-re7vb Жыл бұрын
Idk I think it still gets it’s point across pretty well
@apoptose1558
@apoptose1558 Жыл бұрын
@@Dannyboi-re7vb Perhaps but this point is very simplistic, generic "war=bad" movie. The book is more multifaceted
@MudHut67
@MudHut67 Жыл бұрын
You can very easily have both
@ottersirotten4290
@ottersirotten4290 Жыл бұрын
@@Dannyboi-re7vb When you sacrafice realism to get your point across, you do more harm than good regarding your Message
@gendor5199
@gendor5199 Жыл бұрын
This is a very interesting video! I do wonder if there is a bibliography, scenes such as 20:33 where one man even uses a crossbow would be fun to seek out, but there really only is a single video mentioned, by name.
@brahmansam
@brahmansam Жыл бұрын
When it comes to replacements, I think "Band of Brothers" has the best view on how they were received by the vets, as we can see in the chapter "Replacements". Same with "The Pacific" and some excerpts from "The Thin Red Line".
@DerDeutschEgypter
@DerDeutschEgypter Жыл бұрын
The movie wasn't supposed to be historically accurate it was just supposed to show the horror of war
@skaterhater
@skaterhater Жыл бұрын
he clearly doesn't care about the quality of the movie itself which is kind of an L
@ieatmice751
@ieatmice751 Жыл бұрын
I mean it was historically accurate, the uniforms and environment were on point Maybe the flamethrowers and Saint chamonds in conjunction was a bit much but it’s not like they weren’t used at all
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
@@ieatmice751 No it wasn't historically accurate not even close.
@goji3908
@goji3908 Жыл бұрын
@@lawrencewood289 elaborate
@lawrencewood289
@lawrencewood289 Жыл бұрын
@@goji3908 There are several examples. Here are a few. 1. At the end of the war, the generals weren't pressing to continue while the politicians wanted an armistice. Actually, the head of the army, General Ludendorff basically panicked and thought the Army was falling apart and wouldn't be able to be used internally to quell the (to him) evil leftists. Thus the Army were insisting on an armistice asap while the politicians hoped the army could stiffen as it retreated towards Germany itself so they could extract better terms. 2. The final charge is some bizarre banzai fantasy of the filmmaker. Such a thing did not happen. Any troops involved would have mutinied and shot the officers et al. When Franz von Hipper tried to take the Imperial navy on a death sail in October they mutinied and refused to leave port and this is what started the disintegration of the Empire. The Army was trying to preserve itself not sacrifice itself in bizarre futile attacks. 3. In the tank attack you see a bunch of flamethrowers. First of all, all flamethrowers used a liquid which was ignited. These are some sort of bizarre gas jet things. Also, flamethrowers were precious. You wouldn't line them up (inviting artillery fire or machine gun attacks). Also, they wouldn't be wasted on mopping up operations of guys who would basically mostly surrender. They were for use against strongpoints or for stubborn resistance, neither of which is the case here. 4. There are a bunch of minor things. In one attack, the French guy has no helmet. OK it is possible he lost it. BUT he is wearing his kepi. Huh?! Maybe in the first 2-3 months of the war but after that everyone wanted max protection. 5. It is HIGHLY unlikely a civilian would shoot a German soldier (Kat...who of course dies in a completely different manner in the novel and the earlier great film from 1930). The German Army were known for ruthless reprisals against far smaller acts than killing one of their men. Literally the cost-benefit wasn't there (This wasn't like WWII where the Germans were so savage it almost didn't matter because you might get killed anyway so why not take some with you).
@westernmonk1210
@westernmonk1210 Жыл бұрын
My only real gripes are the side plot of the armistice negotiations and not including Paul’s leave home. I’m here to watch the infantry lives not random politicians I hate.
@redjacobus
@redjacobus Жыл бұрын
I lost it when he said the defenders are at a disadvantage
@Courierman6
@Courierman6 Жыл бұрын
Same
@alanpennie
@alanpennie 8 ай бұрын
They were. They had almost no chance if the attack was well conducted. By the end of the war the first line was lightly held with most of the defending infantry held back in a second line out of mortar range.
@NiVi192
@NiVi192 Жыл бұрын
Ok, I am more than glad that the German film business has finally gotten an international platform again, let alone after adapting a classic like Erich Maria Remarque's masterpiece. And I fully agree that the art and science of this film deserve every award it has won this season. However, I get part of the criticism this adaptation of the novel has received here in Germany, since one of the main reason for the success of Remarque's novel has been the prosaic, even melancholic style in which he depicted the fate of his WWI generation. It's unsparing yet subtle. This movie has not only changed that unique atmosphere but also every key moment, especially the finale (in the other Oscar-winning adaptation, Paul dies with almost peacefully while reaching for a butterfly - a final glimpse at the beauty of this world, they were ordered to destroy). I guess those of you who have seen this new adaptation but not yet read the book or watched the films from 1930 / 1979 must be thoroughly confused why the author would even call his work "Nothing New On The Western Front". Here's the final paragraph ( *spoiler alert* ): _"He fell in October 1918, on a day that was so quiet and still on the whole front, that the army report confined itself to the single sentence: All quiet on the Western Front. He had fallen forward and lay on the earth as though sleeping. Turning him over, one saw that he could not have suffered long; his face had an expression of calm, as though almost glad the end had come."_ (Ch. 12)
@jasonnicholasschwarz7788
@jasonnicholasschwarz7788 8 ай бұрын
I had high hopes for this movie, but learning that it was a german production, I knew, this was a lost cause. The film suffers from the german disease called "hermeticism". It doesnt convey a sense of immersion and reality. It has a Brecht-like atmosphere and as a viewer I feel totally detached from the action I see on screen. Fail and huge waste of budget that could have been used much more efficiently.
@patricklapointe4979
@patricklapointe4979 Жыл бұрын
As a combat vet, I expected the soldiers to ventilate the man that forced them to die when the war was over
@schaefer1898
@schaefer1898 Жыл бұрын
As a dude with no war experience at all, I expected the same.
@patricklapointe4979
@patricklapointe4979 Жыл бұрын
@@schaefer1898 it is an easy call!
@100ballster
@100ballster Жыл бұрын
As a war movie vet, I completely agree
@MrPedophileMuhammad
@MrPedophileMuhammad Жыл бұрын
To ventilate qu'est-ce que ça veut dire ?
@schaefer1898
@schaefer1898 Жыл бұрын
@@MrPedophileMuhammad J'ai compris c'est une activité de rebellion. Parce que le command du general est terrible et inutile.
@Shattered3582
@Shattered3582 Жыл бұрын
as a movie break down enthusiast, i really enjoyed this movie. i do think realism and taking into account what actually happened, but i loved the film no matter what people say abut it. the way they portrayed the characters was amazing, also showing that each soldier was a human beings with hopes and dreams getting shot and crushed to death was really heart breaking, even more so since it happened. the movie/movies were remakes of the original book and less about what actually happened. if i really wanted to know what exactly happened i would have watched/ read a documentary. the movie was a piece of art and a showcase of good filmmaking
@stratowhore9051
@stratowhore9051 Жыл бұрын
Paul was killed by a sniper in the 1930 version -- made just two years after the book was published.
@Ogyeet518
@Ogyeet518 Жыл бұрын
Y’all never happy 😂😂😂
@varelion
@varelion Жыл бұрын
I agree that this movie is consciously portraying WW1 experience over the top. They are desperately trying to put every known horror into the scenery, tanks and flame throwers even though these weapons were not mentioned in the novel. Scene writing with the wrecking bar, as we say in Germany. The aim was to produce a dazzling overwhelming shocker to impress the audience and also to wipe out any glorification of war that is present in so many so-called anti-war movies. Although the main character should be in a group, he is often shown isolated in he horror of battle which makes the feeling of horror even harsher. Maybe this was inspired by the running-through-hell-scenes in the movie '1917‘". But maybe everything is portrayed too dark and shocking. You wouldn‘t understand why so many participants estimated comradeship as the supreme good because they could trust their comrades (and had to rely on it). For Adolf Hitler this experience was extremely important because here he as the loner he once was, now he was one with all parts of the nation, rich and poor, high society, peasants and workers who lived, fought and died side by side. Here he felt for the first time in his life that he was part of a greater cause. And maybe he was so traumatized by this that he led a whole nation into exactly the same hopeless trench situation that had left an inextinguishable mark on him. At this point I wrote about my concerns about people being stabbed through the heart and surviving this for too long. But rewatching the relevant scenes we can see that these stabbings went through the upper lungs. So, an instant death must not be expected. Anyway, with so many ideas and concepts they should have made a new movie on it's own instead of a remake which wasn't necessary.
@wondertime4968
@wondertime4968 Жыл бұрын
exactly what i thought.
@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479
@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479 Жыл бұрын
I love how just under this post a dude who claims to be a veteran explains inexruciating detail how someone even shot in the head can still die in HOURS and someone shot in the chest and dies still breaths for 2-3 minutes due to muscle memory, people have also been documented to have been shot in the heart and lived
@cluelessbird101
@cluelessbird101 Жыл бұрын
That bayonet went through his lung, not heart. And the stabbing of the soldier was done with a small knife, it's perfectly reasonable for the person to have survived that long.
@varelion
@varelion Жыл бұрын
@@cluelessbird101 I rewatched the scenes. And you are right that both stabbings didn't went through the heart although they went very close. In the scene with the lone French soldier Paul stabs him with a Grabendolch (trench dagger) six times into the right side of his upper chest. Therefore he dies shortly afterwards in the movie. In the book the dying process takes painful long hours. And Pauls emotinal change from fear and hostility to compassion and solidarity when he adresses the enemy as comrade is widened and given more gravity. So the scene was condensed to a few intense moments in this movie.
@peters642
@peters642 Жыл бұрын
Flamethrowers were mentioned briefly in the novel, but they don't make a "direct appearance" per say
@mayravelarde2247
@mayravelarde2247 6 ай бұрын
Bro watched it blindfolded💀
@admanaddy4172
@admanaddy4172 Жыл бұрын
This is some serious nitpicking. The scene of the soldier killing himself happens in the book. And the technical errors are really pretty minor, no reason to rip in the film just cause of that
@pabloharris7371
@pabloharris7371 Жыл бұрын
Bro this dudes channel is underrated asffff
@clifffff7630
@clifffff7630 Жыл бұрын
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