Hope you get to see Pylos as well

@@QalOrt yes, that's on the list too!

All Mycenaean sites in Argolis are very short distance from each other. You could go through them all in a day or two!

Thanks!

That's awesome! Argolis is definitely worth visiting! So many Mycenaean forts there.

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Appreciate it!

That's why I made him and his post-Troy adventures the hero of my *Diomedeia* novels, part II in process.

No, you're right. Bronze Age Argos had walls and the Larissa citadel, but they were insignificant compared to Tiryns & Mykenai.

Valid points. I wouldn't call them competing kingdoms though. There is no evidence of any competition between the citadels from 1700 to 1200 BC. Also, Mycenae was a citadel well before Tiryns, Midea and Argos became significant, suggesting that Mycenaeans from Mycenae established those places as palace centers. It's more than likely that all 4 palaces were just ruled from Mycenae by one Wanax.

@@WanaxTV Each vassall "kingdom" would have had a vassal "king", which it seems to several linguistic experts, was called a Lawagetas, one step down from the Wanax. Vassal kingdoms may have extended as far as Thebes, Pylos, and Aetolia.

On the contrary, the myths of Argos in the Bronze Age were stolen from others when Dorian Iron Age Argos became powerful. In the Bronze Age, the city's citadel of Larissa was small and its walls were insignificant compared to its neighbours. Much smaller population too. Argos was reimagined in Homer's time, but then Homer had no memory of the Hittite Empire either!

Argos and Thebes were often betrayers of Panhellenism.

Thanks Veriox!

Yes, there will!

Yes, Argos definitely capitalized on the mythology of Argolis, which probably concerned Mycenae and Tiryns more so than Argos itself. Also, it's possible that in Bronze Age "Argos" just meant territory controlled by Mycenae.

@@WanaxTV The "Argives" originally meant from the Argolid Plain, right? (I am using "Danaans" as a more general panhellenic word to replace "Hellenes".)

Possible, together with the Boeotian cities. It looks like Gla was connected to Orchomenos.

Barely.

@@gregorynixon2945 I tried to balance it out. There is not much evidence on the Mycenaean site of Argos, besides ruins of a small citadel on the Larissa hill.

@@WanaxTV It's a very good video but it's essentially based in what is mythologically known with some realistic interpretation of the myths.

Lydia is in future plans ever since the old videos I made on Phrygia. It will require a whole series for the Lydian history.

Yes, planning Thebes in near future. Also, mythology of Thebes is possible for next year.

@@WanaxTV Please don't play down the selfish villainy of the Thebans in some many cases. The Persians were not the only one to whom they sold out.

Mythology.

​@@gregorynixon2945 ,wir kennen 3 Herkules es gab bestimmt mehr ,die Arkadians auf Peloponnes sagen sie existieren bevor den 🌒 das ist vielleicht Mythos 😊

For Argos!

He clearly says 'Mainland Greece'. He knows that the Minoans existed and thrived in Crete. He's made many videos about it.

No, He is not saying Mainland of Greece. He is saying continental Europe.

Continental europe what didn't you understand here exactly

@@wankawanka3053 "Continental" meaning not outlying islands. Lycian (Lukkan) civilization on mainland Hellas? Mythology.

Not by legend, but Homer certainly embraced the mythology of Iron Age Dorian Argos. In fact, Homer knew very little about the Bronze Age Mycenaean era except for their weapons and famous names. He did not know what chariot warfare was like.

I wouldn't go that far. If anything, I think that Argos used Homer to their advantage when it comes to mythology. It is very possible that "Argos" in Bronze Age chiefly meant territory of the Argive plain, which includes Mycenae (capital), Tiryns, Midea and Argos (small fort).

@@WanaxTV - You mean that by "Argives", the Iliad means people from Argolis?

@@LuisAldamiz "Argives" in Iliad means all Greeks fighting against Troy, synonymous with Achaeans and Danaans. I think that in Bronze Age, before the Iliad, "Argos" could've meant much more than the city of Argos. In some myths, Agamemnon, Orestes, etc were described as kings of Argos. It was clear that their royal seat was not on the small Larissa hill in Argos, but in the Mycenaean palace. So it's possible that when a myth says "Agamemnon, the king of Argos", Argos really refers to the territory (that includes city of Argos), but not specifically the city of Argos itself.

@@WanaxTV - I see your point but I doubt that's the case. I can see how Argos or Argolis was the kingdom of Agamnenon and that he was clearly the hegemon of all Greece, something that the Hittites also acknowledge of his predecessors when they talk of the "brother" (equal) King of Ahhiyawa. Based on the overall records, Achaea/Achaeans (Ekwesh, Ahhiyawa) seems to be the most traditional name of the Greeks until the end of the 13th century BCE, while Danaoi (Denesh) becomes more common for some reason in the 12th century and maybe later (Dan tribe as legacy of the Denesh in the Levant). However nobody else but Homer talks of Argos or Argives with this meaning, so I would lean as poetic license using the name of the primary realm of the "Great King" extensively for all his vassals or allies.

Very possible. That would explain Argos having the most extensive mythology of all city-states. Most of that was probably Mycenae, with city of Argos being just a part of it.

@@WanaxTV Indeed. My personal take is that the Olympians we know from Classical Greek mythology were the gods of the elite. That is why we see their names in Linear B tablets, and not of local tribal deities. We still do not have a proper understanding of bronze age Greek mythology because the Hellenic folks just didn't wrote down those stories, they survived in oral traditions and, just like in Rome, became pseudo history.

@@mercianthane2503 Interesting take. I'd think that Mycenaean pantheon probably evolved from 1800 to 1200 BC, especially as they incorporated other territories. Poseidon and Zeus seem to be important gods from the beginning, but their exact positions might've slightly changed over the centuries.

@@WanaxTV Indeed! There is a book by J. Dolan called: Taliesin's Map - The comparative guide to Celtic Mythology, and, if I'm not mistaken, he proposed that Theseus is a Mithraic God, like Zeus. Theseus's birth echoes thar of Arthur. His father Aegeus sleeps with Aethra, daughter of Pittheus, because he is drunk (this was Pittheus caused his drunkenness). After this Theseus is born, yet he is hidden away with his mom because the king is afraid of the Pallantides, who will kill Theseus because of dynastic issues. We all know Aegeus leaves a sword and sandals under a rock, reminiscent of Excalibur and Odin's sword in the tree, and Theseus will be able to lift the rock if he is heroic enough. The story is similar to the birth of Zeus. The same he is protected by his mother in a cave, otherwise Chronos will swallow him. J. Dolen proposed that Aegeus is a parallel to Poseidon, perhaps a more archaic version of this deity, because Aegeus too is related to the waters and is a king, and he can be compared to the vedic god Varuna, and his incarnation in the Mahabharata: Pandu. Again. It is an interesting theory which could mean that in the old heroic Greek tales we find archaic traditions of the gods.

Aengus/Óingus is a proper noun that comes from Proto-Celtic: Oinogustus, aka One Desire. Has no relationship with the word wanax. Update: Eneko also has no relationship with wanax, and comes from Basque: ene (my) and a diminutive suffix -ko, and the name means: My little one.

@@mercianthane2503 - Yeah, sure, coincidences... I don't believe in "coincidences", sorry. Why all those names happen to be those of legendary or semi-legendary founder kings? The Aquitainian diminutive would be -sko, sometimes -ska, for example "sardeska": "little pitchfork", Belasko: "littler crow". Your proposed etymology would produce "enesko" and anyhow it'd be an absurd name when the actual ones were usually in the line of animals (Otsoa/Lop = Wolf, Bele = Crow or Raven, Belasko = Little Crow, Aznar = Fox?, Urraka = Magpie, etc.) Nowadays the Western Basque (Vardulian) diminutive -txo is mainstream however, and judging on the Navarrese (also kingly) name Sancho, it may have been that way for a very long time also in Navarre (especially if it means "little saint", most parsimonious IMO, if its close correlate Gartzia/García means "Grace". Debatable I know). There is plenty and growing archaeological documentation of East-West Mediterranean interection since the Copper Age. For example the ivory used in that time in Andalusia (but not in Portugal) came from Syrian elephants, for example Western dolmenic megalithism reached West Asia (first of all Syria and Jordan) in the early Bronze Age (incl. at least one Portuguese "idolo oculado"), for example the very intense cultural interaction between Mycenaean Greece and El Argar civilization (phase B, c. 1550-1300 BCE) in SE Spain (which may well be the realistic scenario for whatever kernel of truth is in Herakles' legends). The "ili" wanderwort is another piece of evidence. I'd even dare say that the Iberian alphasyllabary script (most clear in the Iron Age but arguably dating as far back as the Copper Age) is a modification of the Cypriot script (in turn related to the Cretan one). It is in this context of many interactions that clearly add up to demonstrate a long E-W Mediterranean (and even Atlantic) interaction where I suggest that Wanax/Wanaka was also a wanderwort, which may have even be related to the replacement of the older South Iberian stag veneration by the bull veneration an the related only Iberian (Tartessian) myth ever compiled, that of Gargoris and Habis, which reminds somewhat of the Umbaba and Gilgamesh story about the origins of civilization and kingship.

@@LuisAldamiz My sources: G. Toner, M. Ní Mhaonaigh, S. Arbuthnot, D. Wodtko, M.-L. Theuerkauf, editors (2019), “Oengus”, in eDIL: Electronic Dictionary of the Irish Language Dinneen, Patrick S. (1904), “Aonġus”, in Foclóir Gaeḋilge agus Béarla, 1st edition, Dublin: Irish Texts Society, page 35 Finck, F. N. (1899) Die araner mundart (in German), volume II, Marburg: Elwert’sche Verlagsbuchhandlung, page 26 Finck, F. N. (1899) Die araner mundart (in German), volume II, Marburg: Elwert’sche Verlagsbuchhandlung, page 257 Íñigo; in: Roberto Faure, Diccionario de nombres propios, 2007 Your sources: Your own speculation. So, keep your fantasies up if you want. Yours is not true linguistics but made up rubbish.

@@mercianthane2503 - So you don't have your own opinion, only that of others? That's called scholasticism or "appeal to authority" and it is not science, in fact it is enemy of science. I critically follow Federico Krutwig, who initiated this kind of exploration, which he called "following Ariadne's thread" in the mid 20th century. Never personally met him even if we were neighbors when I was a kid and he was in old age but I respect his erudite insight and unorthodoxia. Just keep beating that dead horse of lazy scholasticism... it leads nowhere.

​@@mercianthane2503Don't bother with him his sources are always his own opinion 😂😂😂