History of WWI Primer 125: US Browning 1917 Documentary

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4 жыл бұрын

Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
Additional reading:
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The Machine Gun: History, Evolution, and Development of Manual, Automatic, and Airborne Repeating Weapons
George M. Chinn
The Browning Machine Gun, Vol. I
Dolf L. Goldsmith
Conference of General Staff Officers at the Staff College, 18th to 21st January, 1909
The Ordnance Department: Planning Munitions for War, Volume 3, Part 1
Constance McLaughlin Green, Harry C. Thomson, Peter C. Roots
Ammunition data thanks to DrakeGmbH
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Animation by Vbbsmyt
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@deaconfrost2009 4 жыл бұрын

William Crozier is the best recurring character on this whole channel, bar none. His obstinacy and short-sightedness is legendary.

@popuptarget7386 4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, he was a product of Ordinance lessons of the Civil war where the US had dozens of "official" small arms designs in different calibers. That was a mess nobody wanted to repeat. Add to that, the fact that he held his post in the midst of giant leaps in firearms. You don't want to adopt something only to have it be problematic next week (like the French being saddled with the 8mm Lebel cartridge). Yes he failed to grab some good designs quickly (or at all) but undoubtedly he saved us from some headaches as well.

@jelkel25 4 жыл бұрын

He looks like a Jack Russell that's had too many kicks to the head by hooved animals.

@tenofprime 4 жыл бұрын

@@popuptarget7386 I think it might be interesting to have retrospective on him later in the show, his good and bad calls based on what he had in front of him. It is easy to look back and see the mistakes but I see him as a guy who was under tight budget limits and trying to make the best calls he could with the info at hand.

@logitimate 4 жыл бұрын

Bear in mind also that there's a sort of survivorship bias here: Designs that Crozier rejected that were ultimately adopted - whether by the US or by some other power, and whether in the form he rejected them or after further development - in time to be used in WW1 get an episode; designs that he rejected that never went anywhere, or even just required enough further development that they didn't go anywhere in time for WW1, do not.

@seanmac1793 4 жыл бұрын

He is a product of BuOrd and good things that come out of BuOrd are few and far between

@avanticurecanti9998 4 жыл бұрын

>sees Crozier's face >recoils and hisses

@danschneider9921 4 жыл бұрын

Man it was a rough day at the office, but the bearded history cavalry has arrived at the eleventh hour...

@Deaths_Disguise 4 жыл бұрын

"there will be no shooting all history" perfection

@vaclav_fejt 4 жыл бұрын

Same here (now).

@Spectre94951 4 жыл бұрын

This episode's "War Were Declared" transition was phenomal. Literally laughed out loud.

@KPen3750 4 жыл бұрын

That is by far the sneakiest War were Declared ever witnessed

@anthonyhayes1267 4 жыл бұрын

It caught me more off guard than it did for US Army Ordinance

@jeffreyroot6300 4 жыл бұрын

Anthony Hayes To be fair, Ordnance knew it was coming, but was just then learning on the job how to organize a large industrial capacity to work together. Before 1914 their job was operating under extreme budget restraints and pick and choose carefully for what little budget the Army had. Remember all those single shot rifles and rifles with magazine cut offs? Largely adopted and retained because they couldn’t afford to supply much ammunition to the few troops they had.

@thurin84 4 жыл бұрын

whatever floats their goat.......

@lairdcummings9092 4 жыл бұрын

You have a rare talent, in making what would often be dry history into something fascinating and entertaining. Bravo Zulu.

@ryan0U 4 жыл бұрын

“This man has had the third most screen time... John Moses Browning” *angry Paul Mauser noises*

@GunFunZS 4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking crozier....

@Hybris51129 4 жыл бұрын

@@GunFunZS **Angry WEETS in the background**

@captiannemo1587 4 жыл бұрын

@@GunFunZS Crozier is an interesting character. His report Ordnance and the world war_ a contribution to the history of American preparedness by William Crozier 1855-1942 is an very interesting insight into all sorts of problems with trying to basically expand the arms industry overnight. It can be found on Internet Archives.

@zacht9447 4 жыл бұрын

Paul mauser made a single rifle design Not really impressive compared to Browning

@panzerabwerkanone 4 жыл бұрын

@@zacht9447 To which Othais alluded to "a design that is improved throughout.." Many models of the basic Mauser bolt action constantly upgraded and improved. Used by most of the world's armies including the US. Springfield models 1903, 1903A1, 1903A3 and the US model 1917.

@TheCptBartlet 4 жыл бұрын

Now I'm going to bed at 1am on a Tuesday.... 200% worth it, y'all are the best KZfaq channel.

@kkloikok 4 жыл бұрын

Oh yes. 40ish minutes of pure Browning history. This is nice. Oh yes.

@scootalooswings3576 4 жыл бұрын

So we have to wait 2 more weeks to see Mae? Outrageous I do declare!

@markcantemail8018 4 жыл бұрын

@rwsthedemonking I saw her smile about 4;25 mins . Rewatch to get your Fix . I love the Shooting smile .

@demanischaffer 4 жыл бұрын

When I first saw the M1917 I just assumed it was another Maxim derivative Little did I know how much I was wrong

@rubenkerobyan6891 3 жыл бұрын

At least now you're in the know

@smackarel7 4 жыл бұрын

Yay, more primer. Yay, more machine guns. Yay, more Browning. YAY, MORE WTF US ORDNANCE DECISIONS!

@Brooks_M3 Жыл бұрын

That animation of the working of the action only proves even more that machine gun Moses was the GOAT of gun making and an absolute genius.

@Hawkeye308 4 жыл бұрын

I hope you consider doing an entire show dedicated to William Crozier once you're through the Primer series. It'd be nice to see the back story and politics around his tenure as the Chief Ord-O.

@Legitpenguins99 4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to spoil it but post war he became a Guinea Pig

@Hawkeye308 4 жыл бұрын

@@Legitpenguins99 Reincarnation is a bitch!

@JenniferinIllinois 4 жыл бұрын

@@Legitpenguins99 Who likes blueberries.

@Tunkkis Жыл бұрын

@@JenniferinIllinois Who doesn't?

@WildBillCox13 4 жыл бұрын

Your most effective animation segment to date.

@1TruNub 4 жыл бұрын

I'm a simple man, I see CnArsenal video i hit like. And also last time I was this early are heavenly father John Browning was still waiting on the US government to make up its mind On the machine gun they wanted

@DarkestVampire92 4 жыл бұрын

"This is gonna be a big story we need to split it in two parts" *Video is less than half the length of other machine gun episodes*

@boriscook6817 4 жыл бұрын

You’ve got his number

@luisnunes2010 4 жыл бұрын

I prefer it this way. Easily digestible in one go.

@planescaped 4 жыл бұрын

Maybe the next episode is 1 and a half hours? Or more likely it's a stalling tactic due to Coronavirus making it harder for him to do the show.

@Candrsenal 4 жыл бұрын

We swapped over to a teleprompter. The show is shorter because there is less pulling from memory and the information is better compacted. As far as the script, this half of this episode is longer than the whole Lewis Gun script from back in the day.

@cgoodiefunk Жыл бұрын

Othias is honestly very humorous in a completely unique way

@britishmuzzleloaders 4 жыл бұрын

Great work everyone! And I'm thankful you included the battle goat. This is going to make a great two-parter!

@popuptarget7386 4 жыл бұрын

So interesting to see the innards as compared to the M2s that I tore appart on many occasions. I can see how JMB got there from this. The changes he made really simplified the design. The man was a true mad scientist (engineer)

@Tadicuslegion78 4 жыл бұрын

St. John Moses Browning: You know....you might as well have a cardboard cut of me right next to you with how often I'm on this show. I should be getting some of that KZfaq money.

@eazy8579 4 жыл бұрын

Someone outta make one and send it to them, and whenever he gets mentioned, they just whip it out

@mathiaslindgren9544 4 жыл бұрын

Who knows? Browning might negotiate royalties for his apperance on the show

@jeffreyroot6300 4 жыл бұрын

Mathias Lindgren His descendants could!

@Arbiter099 4 жыл бұрын

It's like Indy Neidell keeping a painting of Conrad von Hotzendorf in the background of his WW2 show

@3KindsOfGuns 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for another great video!! By far one of the best historic educational channels on KZfaq!! Thanks for all the work you guys do!!

@cannonfodder4376 4 жыл бұрын

An absolute marvel of mechanical simplicity compared to the Maxims. Very much looking forward to part 2.

@Herintruththelies 4 жыл бұрын

That just set a new high bar for the Animaetion and Maesplanation. So many things about it were so helpful. Best ever. Well done.

@wolfthegreat87 4 жыл бұрын

Oh my god, I've been waiting for this episode for so long! The last time I was this early, it looked like the Hun was going to win the war! Looking forward to the next episode.

@jaysonhill2000 4 жыл бұрын

Othais and Mae, stay healthy and safe. We need you out there bringing us great history for a long time.

@MasterOfHelium 4 жыл бұрын

Digging all the context you give to understand weapons design. Just being interested in old firearms and watching you, I accidentally learned more 1860-1920's history than they could teach me at school! Also looking forward to the next episode and hoping you do get to make an episode on Colt-Browning 1895.

@jamietus1012 4 жыл бұрын

Always a good story when crozier is involved

@theoldgrenadier3475 4 жыл бұрын

Detailed ,interesting and informative . Fantastic as always .

@ChrisGuiver 4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I love your videos; informative & do appreciate the accuracy & precision. Again, thank you.

@kornaktanker7633 4 жыл бұрын

Imaging if Browning had access to kickstarter/fundme

@ZGryphon 4 жыл бұрын

He had access to Winchester and FN. In the late 1800s, that was more or less the same thing in his field. :)

@Nick-rs5if 4 жыл бұрын

I have to say, Ohias is a great host. Making history really enjoyable to listen to! :)

@matthewmoss1589 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, looking forward for the next part!

@LuistheABF123 4 жыл бұрын

Japanese Infantry: attempt to over run the Marines John Basilone: *Death before Dishonor*

@Hawkeye308 4 жыл бұрын

Who needs an asbestos glove when you already have skin?

@vks_productions 4 жыл бұрын

Shout out to the thousands of Japanese soldiers that were massacred

@WarblesOnALot 4 жыл бұрын

G'day, Ah, well, as it happens, IF John Basilone had have ever said that..., while repelling a Night Attack - and there is no evidence that he did...; but IF he had said that..., then two points should be raised..., to wit, 1) That's a misquote Pilgrim, the original Obsequious Platitude stated, "My Honour Is My Loyalty...!" And Point 2) is that to read or say it in English requires translating it from German ; because that was the Motto of Heinrich Himmler's ShuftsStaffeln..., ie the Nazi German SS...! So, how long do you claim that John Basilone would've lasted - as an Italian-descended US Marine, while Italy was at War with Unkle Spam..., if he had started spouting Nazi Slogans in a Combat Zone ? Using Trumpy's contemporary Facist & Nazi quotations and exhortations doesn't count, because during WW-2 anybody who talked like Trumpy does now - would have Bin-Shot as a Treasonable Enemy Agent. Just(ifiably ?) sayin'. Take it easy. Facts are REAL. History HAPPENED. ;-p Ciao !

@stevekaczynski3793 4 жыл бұрын

@@vks_productions The Browning - antidoting banzai charges since 1942.

@halo7oo 4 жыл бұрын

@@WarblesOnALot Death before dishonor is a common saying that probably predates european civilization, phrases aren't one-time use. It was also used by the Romans, and is very common among the USMC.

@1983jarc 4 жыл бұрын

I was really looking forward to a +1h 1917 episode... you made my day regardless

@Noah-kc1yx 4 жыл бұрын

"But wait there's more." Othais channeling his inner Billy Mays.

@LifeisGood762 3 жыл бұрын

The breakdown of how it works is amazing.

@oolooo 4 жыл бұрын

Daddy Browning will one day return and bring us a resurrection of firearms design

@edinnorthtexas113 4 жыл бұрын

Of which some politicians will promptly ban possession, possibly even mention, of them.

@ChaosPootato 4 жыл бұрын

Those animations are glorious.

@EldarKinSlayer 4 жыл бұрын

One thing that could be said about the Ordinance Corps prior to WWI, they did not suffer from Not Invented Here Syndrome. Krag, Mauser,Maxim????, etc.

@quentinhoward99 2 жыл бұрын

That's actually a good point.

@kylep3440 4 жыл бұрын

"Third most screen time" the best line ive heard today 😆

@kelbyreid7254 4 жыл бұрын

Wow... y’all did it, absolute mad people.

@Gunner40Five 4 жыл бұрын

Nice work guys. Keep up the good work. Loved the video.

@windogendoors7566 3 жыл бұрын

I am surprised these guns don't get more praise. It seems the Vickers always gets praised but the m1917 is superior in many aspects. Great video Othais

@jeffreyplum5259 4 жыл бұрын

A Mae voice over it far better than no Mae at all, Two weeks until the next show will still be damn long. God Bless you all.

@mikemoore7559 4 жыл бұрын

17:26. What fun!!! Great history as always.

@toastpuppy3491 4 жыл бұрын

DO I SENSE A NEW CNARSENAL VIDEO?! AND THE M1917 AT THAT! THIS IS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!! E

@blueofthelightanddark6273 4 жыл бұрын

Now all we have to do is wait for a Small Arms of WWI Primer M1911 pistol episode. Edit: Well, after Part 2 of the Browning M1917.

@hgbarnes1584 4 жыл бұрын

A great show, thank you.

@dominiccairo9530 4 жыл бұрын

Would Love to see more videos like this discussing the finer details of the adoption and trials.

@rayornelas8459 4 жыл бұрын

Refreshing the page paid off, YESSSS!

@peteranderson037 4 жыл бұрын

2:50 I've seen that actual rifle at the John Moses Browning Museum in Ogden Utah. It was absolutely amazing.

@ronaldfazekas6492 3 ай бұрын

The period footage shown was later--at the Remington plant in Bridgeport,CT--I have seen stills from that reel

@Legitpenguins99 4 жыл бұрын

I feel old Johnny Boy deserves a nickname. We've already got "Ol' Dirty Firdy", we demand another!

@ZGryphon 4 жыл бұрын

The Notorious J.M.B., surely.

@cheesenoodles8316 4 жыл бұрын

Had to hit they hay....finished it this afternoon. Great as usual.

@Otokichi786 4 жыл бұрын

General Crozier's first strike: The way-too-heavy Maxim vs. a native-engineered-gun by Browning!?

@jeffreyroot6300 4 жыл бұрын

Not just that, the heaviest possible Maxim, just makes ya wanna say Huh?

@planescaped 4 жыл бұрын

We don't need Lewis guns! Back in my day we had to load each shot one and a time, and this was after crossing two rivers and climbing a hill to the depot, in the snow too! A man had to learn to appreciate his bullet, and kids these days have no care! They just want to spray the countryside! They have no respect, no courtesy for their fellow man! Also f*** that guy Lewis I don't like 'em! ~Old Coot Crozier

@aerofd 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent as usual.

@billmccrackin8825 4 жыл бұрын

Well done!

@Paladin1873 4 жыл бұрын

The 1917A1 was the first belt-fed MG I ever shot. It belonged to a close friend of mine who was a class 3 dealer. That would have been around 1978. What a great fun gun, more so than the 1919 because you could risk long bursts without fear of barrel damage.

@minuteman4199 4 жыл бұрын

I shot 1919s a lot in the army, both on ground mounts and coax in my tank. IIRC we were taught that a barrel had a life of 5000 rds. They were basically disposable. We had no (little, anyway) concern about burning them out and fired the guns until they were glowing red.

@Paladin1873 4 жыл бұрын

@@minuteman4199 Regrettably, that's not a practical option for most collectors.

@deltavee2 4 жыл бұрын

Surplused.com has been promptly bookmarked. It has over 300 pages! I just enjoyed Ian's Walther Q5 "Arabesque": Art in the Form of a Match Pistol as the first of many videos I'll be watching. Full marks to Othais because this site has tons of very interesting videos. Well Done, Sir! Go see it, folks.

@Arbiter099 4 жыл бұрын

21:41 Othais had no way of knowing how much later he would be dubbing it lol

@exohead1 4 жыл бұрын

That rear sight seems very similar to some of the No 4 Mk I rifle sights

@jamesluke7377 4 жыл бұрын

Speaking of usage of French artillery, my Grandfather (AEF, US Army, 130FA/bat B) was a messenger/telephone line repairman. I believe they utilized the French 25mm. He heard the church and city bells ring at 11:00AM, Novenber 11, 1918. All guns were firing up and until those bells rang.

@jeffreyroot6300 4 жыл бұрын

75mm perhaps?

@mattdirks7896 4 жыл бұрын

*Mentions 1911 once. Everyone in the room: Do it! DEW IT!

@Szalami 4 жыл бұрын

24:25 "If successful, your outie becomes an innie" I always knew you were a man of great culture Othias but you never seize to amaze me. I love you so much in a completely heterosexual way.

@jerrydickerson1111 4 жыл бұрын

I remember some years back a military museum in Gettysburg Pennsylvania had a model of 1917 machine gun

@BarondePencier 4 жыл бұрын

What benefit does the adjustable aperture size on the rear sight give? Is it just a comfort thing, or does it actually affect aiming? Never used an aperture sight.

@minuteman4199 4 жыл бұрын

I hope you will do an episode on how this eventually became the 1919 model and subsequent variations after that.

@blueofthelightanddark6273 4 жыл бұрын

Anyone think we’re going to get an Small Arms of WW1 Primer M1911 pistol episode after the Browning M1917? I mean John Moses Browning was a well known gun designer of machine guns, pistols and rifles.

@georgebenta3435 4 жыл бұрын

I hope you also make a video about the browning M2 .50 cal.

@monkeyship74401 4 жыл бұрын

Wow! Just Wow! At least we got to hear Mae. Thanks for another wonderful story about John M. Browning. Do you know if he ever came up with any good pistol designs? ;)

@quentinhoward99 2 жыл бұрын

You're kidding right?

@09stoneheart 4 жыл бұрын

At what point does the military just give up and say, "this gun was designed by Browning, I guess we are adopting it?"

@jeffreyroot6300 4 жыл бұрын

Never. Every one of them came out of Browning’s shop as a crude prototype that had to be polished, improved and redesigned for series manufacturing, and then adapted to meet Government specifications. Browning was an incredible ideas man. He needed engineering teams to take his prototype firearms the rest of the way.

@quentinhoward99 2 жыл бұрын

@@jeffreyroot6300 We really don't know that, it's kind of just a theory at this point.

@giloro85 4 жыл бұрын

Gosh, watching a Jimmie Vaughan docu and trying to sleep for work, but you all put this video up lol.

@captainvladmir7535 4 жыл бұрын

Freedom Dakka!!! Yayy! No Mae! Boooo. But hungry for part two, thanks for all your work, guys.

@johnkilcer 4 жыл бұрын

Keep at it boss. Love the vid

@MFGordon 4 жыл бұрын

Take a look at the mechanism of Browning's .22 semi-auto rifle. Then look at the mechanism of the 1917 and the 1919. Browning's .22 rifle is almost a miniaturized version of both machine guns, right down to the striker fire, the placement of the recoil spring, the top feed and the bottom ejecting.

@Strawberry92fs 4 жыл бұрын

27:11 Wow wow wow wow! Spinning off Barrels is TIGHT!

@TomOostenrijk 4 жыл бұрын

Awwwww! I was really hoping to see Beardman trying to lift that machine gun unto his desk!

@barrandilltanathlas1177 4 жыл бұрын

Can't wait for the next part, oh rats I will have to wait.

@spuds3986 4 жыл бұрын

I was just searching for this after rewatching the episode on the 1914 hotchkiss and it wasn’t there. My lucky night I guess.

@stevekunde1117 4 жыл бұрын

Crozier has a heck of a hard on for J.M. Browning. Or was it that he hated Mormons so much he chose anyone else’s design first?

@quentinhoward99 2 жыл бұрын

To be fair he probably didn't even know about his faith, even today most gun people don't know it either.

@drubradley8821 4 жыл бұрын

This was fun.

@jcarter855 4 жыл бұрын

Like it, We LOVE it sir!!

@peternystrom921 4 жыл бұрын

Building Machineguns in Suits and Ties, thats class.

@jeffreyroot6300 4 жыл бұрын

There are pictures of shepherds tending their flocks in suits and ties from the mid to late 1800s. Different times!

@minuteman4199 4 жыл бұрын

The "sports jacket" was actually the casual attire of the day, a simpler, cheaper outfit than the formal clothes being worn at the time.

@theultimatederp3288 4 жыл бұрын

Everybody classy until Joe's tie gets stuck in a machine.

@planescaped 4 жыл бұрын

@@jeffreyroot6300 It's more that in the early days of photography and film having your picture taken or being filmed was considered a _super_ big deal and called for one's Sunday best. The concept of acting natural also wasn't a thing yet. So you often see people looking super awkward and stilted, like a middleschooler giving a presentation. I guarantee that they dressed a lot more casual when not being filmed. As they tended to in candid photos from the era. But when they knew someone would be coming by to take photos or film them, that was different.

@cannonfodder4376 4 жыл бұрын

Oh shit... its finally here!

@edm240b9 4 жыл бұрын

Hope you got pictures of Serial Number 1 at Springfield Armory.

@Josh93B93 4 жыл бұрын

Browning has the most screen time after you and may? I swear there are alot more Mauser videos than Browning on the channel lol

@Emdee5632 2 жыл бұрын

14:50 Any chances of doing an episode, or episodes, about Italian WW1 machine guns like the Fiat-Revelli (I don't think the Perino was ever used)?

@Brodraugen 4 жыл бұрын

Stamp of quality: Six people were in such a hurry to click thumbs up that they clicked thumbs down by mistake.

@Shadow0fd3ath24 4 жыл бұрын

This seems like the silliest route to take for a machine gun tbh...a giant highly machined and complicated ass LMG/HMG until you see we are still using nearly the same thing lol. It still amazes me that ANYONE could get something that complicated designed, and then built...especially back then, let alone to have it do it so well and be so reliable and all just work

@jsma9999 4 жыл бұрын

This is great film, Question is that same Action on M1919 gun?

@jeffreyroot6300 4 жыл бұрын

Yes, slightly improved, but the same action.

@anonymousanglo1169 4 жыл бұрын

Can we get a link to the C&Rsenal discord server?

@strider04 4 жыл бұрын

What do you make the model in? It looks like solidworks to me, is that right?

@ezzz42 4 жыл бұрын

Nice. Good weapon.

@JD92205 4 жыл бұрын

Watching the look at the inside and disassembly I was like "this looks familiar I've seen this before, oh yeah the M2"

@TheLoobis 4 жыл бұрын

Hey bro! How about leaving a link to part 2 hu?

@44benz44 4 жыл бұрын

IT HAS ARRIVED

@matthewwyman1581 5 ай бұрын

Despite being produced 6 years later, this is the machine gun used in Red Dead Redemption, though the one used in Red Dead Redemption II is the more historically accurate world standard Maxim gun

@eisenerballer 4 жыл бұрын

Are we going to get another browning 19xx soon?

@Primarch359 4 жыл бұрын

Probably not. That's the big go to Springfield armory episode and show all the prototypes episode.

@b.griffin317 4 жыл бұрын

Nyet! Series is fine!

@potatoradio 4 жыл бұрын

Might still be a few 18xx left... Grin

@88porpoise 4 жыл бұрын

I doubt it. The M1919 is a bit out of the scope of this series yet, but I would expect it to get a brief mention in the next episode

@Primarch359 4 жыл бұрын

@@88porpoise he was implying the 1911

@IchBinJager Жыл бұрын

Do you have any similar lightbox pics of the M1917A1? I'm trying to make a WWII game with it.

@itatane 4 жыл бұрын

How good was Browning's machine gun? Good enough for the guy at the 17 minute mark to have a grin plastered from ear to ear. I suspect he required a smoke afterwards.