History Primer 169: British Enfield MkII Documentary

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Жыл бұрын

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Jonathan's video: Why was the Enfield Revolver such a huge flop?
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Additional reading:
Adams' Revolvers
WHJ Chamberlain & AWF Taylerson
International Arms and Militaria Collector No.21 Annual
Enfield's First Revolver: an ill-fated adventure
Ian Skennerton
Revolvers of the British Services 1854 - 1954
WHJ Chamberlain & AWF Taylerson
Geschichte und Technik der europäischen Militärrevolver Band 1
Rolf H. Müller
Howdah to High Power
Robert J. Maze
Memorandum on Revolvers 1872 to 1887
H. J. Alderson
PAGCA Monthly Bugle October 1971
Owen Jones - Arms Inventor
Henry M. Stewart Jr.
PAGCA Monthly Bugle March 1983
Deringer and Owen Jones Continued....
Henry M. Stewart Jr.
The American Society of Arms Collectors in London, April-May 1984, Bulletin #50
The Presentation of the Owen Jones-Deringer Revolvers to the Sealed Pattern Room at Enfield Lock.
Henry M. Stewart Jr.
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@sproutpits Жыл бұрын

I suddenly need to see Othais use a tiny Ballistol can to open the lid on a large Ballistol can.

@tenofprime Жыл бұрын

I vote the Guinea pigs get dressed up as cans.

@jacobbearnson5874 Жыл бұрын

Othiais pulling a hank hill sounds like a good t-shirt idea

@jacobmccandles1767 Жыл бұрын

"Ballistol: it certainly beats peeing in it!" Now *there* is a great slogan...and possibly the best Gun-Tuber T-shirt since "Just put your thumb in it".

@davidbrennan660 Жыл бұрын

Or a other Channel idea maybe?

@colemanmoore9871 Жыл бұрын

I would love this for their next T-shirt campaign.

@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 Жыл бұрын

Ok that one I might buy.

@rodwilson6648 Жыл бұрын

I think your theory on the absence of the safety Improvements on most of the Enfield Revolvers is correct. I own Enfields with Queensland, New South Wales, Victorian and North West Mounted Police provenance. None have the safety upgrades. I also own two British Navy marked Mark I's, one has the side safety and the other has the internal safety with S marking. BTW, your Mark II (serial A1853) is listed in "Arms & Accoutrements of the Mounted Police" as being issued to the North West Mounted Police. Also the fatal incident on HMS Flying Fish did indeed occur in the far east. It happened while the ship was undertaking survey duties around Melville Island just off the coast of Australia's Northern Territory, near today's city of Darwin.

@Odin029 Жыл бұрын

Oh, so now Othias is dropping primers in the middle of work. I'm just going to have to pretend I didn't see this notification and I certainly didn't type this comment... not until after work.

@eldonerc2524 Жыл бұрын

Time for a long bathroom break. 🤣

@cmdredstrakerofshado1159 Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣been there 😆

@GUARDIAN.13 Жыл бұрын

I just watch on my lunch

@scott_hunts Жыл бұрын

Listening at work gang rise up.

@kevspss Жыл бұрын

I didn’t see you doing it.

@Pcm979 Жыл бұрын

I first saw this gun carried by John Cleese's character in Silverado, where he was an immigrant from the UK who became an Old West Sheriff. They could've just given him an American gun and it would've been entirely logical that he simply bought one after he immigrated, but they went the extra mile and it gave him an implied history that I've always appreciated.

@tjanda2024 Жыл бұрын

I believe Guns and Ammo magazines writer Gary James was the technical advisor and it was his personal Enfield in the movie

@Pcm979 Жыл бұрын

@@tjanda2024 Ooh, I didn't know that. Nice!

@thinktwicespeakonce482 Жыл бұрын

These are such delightful pieces of history. The selective extraction is a fun but crazy idea.

@eXDCopenhagen Жыл бұрын

Happened to be in the market for some CLP. Thanks to ballistol for supporting my favorite KZfaq channel, in turn I bought two bottles.

@harrymitts9669 Жыл бұрын

I am a former small atms repair guy for the US Army, and then as a gunsmith. I will be (or at least would have been) willing to die with the words, "CLP OR NOTHING," on my lips. I tried Ballistol... Now I have to agree that it is just as good, if not better. Easier to use, too!

@johnkilcer Жыл бұрын

And here i thought i was weird for carrying a 1915 webley. My hats off to him.

@johndoeman8675309 Жыл бұрын

Nice! Still in .455?

@danmenes3143 Жыл бұрын

So much for getting work done this afternoon.

@rob1129 Жыл бұрын

Idk why late 1880's English revolvers that I'll probably never own intrigue me so much but they do

@tenofprime Жыл бұрын

Same here, they have a distinctive style to them. You can just look at this thing and know it is British.

@robviousobviously5757 Жыл бұрын

hooray.. a primer

@brianwatkins2974 Жыл бұрын

I would love to see Othais and Mae do a fun "time-warp" video to fit right in with all these "steam-punk" revolvers: "The Smith and Wesson TRR8 - The Ultimate Evolution of the Wheelgun". Straight-faced historical development, complete with Mae demonstrating moon-clips, attachable gadgets, magnum ammunition, and of course, a discussion of whether she would carry one in the trenches, if "war were declared". April 1st would be a good release date. 😁

@XaleManix Жыл бұрын

I need this IMMEDIATELY.

@stephenbond1990 Жыл бұрын

I was just rewatching the previous episode to refresh my memory, I'm looking forward to how things changed.

@billshepherd4331 Жыл бұрын

You need to try these against the Merwin & Hulbert & see how they compare! Keep up the Great work!

@jacobmccandles1767 Жыл бұрын

I was glad to see John Cleese packing one of these in the American western, "Silverado".

@Operator8282 Жыл бұрын

Use Ballistol. It certainly beats peeing in it. You Totally sold me on a product I already use with the new slogan.

@richhardie6897 Жыл бұрын

Man, I need this work day to end quickly. C%Rsenal talking about obscure revolvers? Let me get my cigar, my near beer with Balistol chaser, and my cold weather porch hoodie and lets go!

@IRMacGuyver Жыл бұрын

@11:47 sometimes a cut like that isn't functional to the final piece but rather to the parts holding during machining. They may have redone the tooling in order to eliminate needing those extra cuts.

@jackgreenstalk777 11 ай бұрын

Your buddy Tom who open carries this is awesome. Quite the flex to have this as an every day carry and seriously carry it 😂👍 I'd hope he never has to use it, but if he does I'd wonder if it vs a more modern option would make the difference in making it out or not. But until then, he gets to be the crazy / wild / awesome guy who carries a 140ish year old gun

@frankbrowning328 Жыл бұрын

That pistol looks truly huge in Mae's little hand

@NukaCola77 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, same for me. Like I saw all the data on their size and weight early in the episode (okay, fine, they were in idio- erm. Freedom-measurements), but I did not get a proper view for the size in Othais' hands. But the guns were looking ridiculously big in Mae's hands.

@grantfitz2047 Жыл бұрын

Huzzah the beard brings many smart words.

@slowhand1198 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for going the distance with these weapons. The depth of your research and insights are more than a cut above.

@caseymuzio7609 Жыл бұрын

Realized I had a payment issue and corrected it glad to be supporting you again Also just bought balistol for the first time

@stevenwestswanson9263 Жыл бұрын

Amazing Video! These videos greatly help me keep my stress down when I writing papers for my classes.

@leppeppel Жыл бұрын

39:03 Hoo boy, it's been a long time since I had to bust out the kinematic equations so this mightn't be correct, but here's what I got. final velocity squared equals initial velocity squared plus double the acceleration due to gravity times distance Assuming a starting velocity of zero m/s and a drop of one meter (for simplicity), final velocity squared would be ~4.4m/s. Since the gun weighs 1.13kg, the momentum with which the hammer is struck will be 5.003 kg*m/s. Therefore, divide five by the time during which this impact is applied and that's the total force in Newtons... I think.

@Gunsbeerfreedom87 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the content homie

@timothyedge6100 Жыл бұрын

Another wonderful episode on something I knew very little about!

@mattfleming86 Жыл бұрын

I love that I caught this release! I had shjt to do, but not now!

@TerryDowne Жыл бұрын

Did I hear you say "Fifth Element?" Does that mean that Mae will wear a costume consisting of horizontal bandages and go around saying "Multipass"?

@joshkent4888 Жыл бұрын

Woo hoo my home state of Queensland mentioned in a Primer Ep!

@tjanda2024 Жыл бұрын

Boy would I like to see you compare the Enfield to the “other” DA/SA, simultaneous eject, gate loader: Merwin & Hulbert.

@StepSherpa Жыл бұрын

I was going to go to bed early, well so much for that.

@davitdavid7165 Жыл бұрын

Patience, brother. Your health matters more than any gun

@StepSherpa Жыл бұрын

@@davitdavid7165 I decided that yes sleep is probably the better bet, thank you

@smackarel7 Жыл бұрын

It is a piece with its own charms, with very little of anything else.

@timblack6422 Жыл бұрын

So cool when these drop!!

@brianfoster4434 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Mae and Othias. Another great episode.

@jonrolfson1686 Жыл бұрын

Seeing the ballistics of those shortish revolver cartridges with their 265 grain bullets at a nominal 700 feet per second (fps) jogged an old memory. Way back in the 1990s, a few IPSC shooters were experimenting with very heavy for caliber 260 grain .45 ACP loads at about that velocity. Their thought was that the heavy bullets easily made major while subjecting the shooter to relatively slow and light recoil, allowing quicker recovery and increasing speed. We argued about it, but never really came to any conclusion. Truth was that we were all fortyish or fiftyish chairborne warrior weekend shooters at the time, and we were not any challenge to faster reflexes and younger eyes of the twenty somethings. It does suggest that heavy for caliber .45 ACP loads might have merited a place in WWI’s large frame .45 ACP 1917 revolvers.

@MandoWookie Жыл бұрын

That's also more or less the thought process behind the .50 GI. And also why it failed.

@GunFunZS Жыл бұрын

A lot of that same logic comes in with the various subsonic projectiles that are coming into trend because of the new and very welcome ubiquity of suppressors. If you want more energy we'll keep in your bullet under a certain velocity there's only one way to get it. Cut his led to a lot of people shooting 147's or even 150 is at a 9 mm and saying they like the feel. Which is kind of funny because late '80s and early 90s answer to the supposed problems with a 9 mm ballistics were to throw more weight at it. So you saw all the cops and cop copiers shooting 147 grain hydrashoks. But 9 mm doesn't push those fast enough to expand as consistently as lighter bullets. So a lot of the 90s through early 2000s supposed cop quality bullets weren't as good as the 115 to 125 grain versions of the same product line. The 147s look good in gel unless you moved to the gel back a bit. It's easy to understand why 40 Smith & Wesson was popular at the time given the same bullet design technology they had enough speed and energy to reliably expand anywhere from 165 to 180 any day of the week and kind of any conceivable distance.

@MandoWookie Жыл бұрын

@@GunFunZS I recall the big thing in the 80s and 90s for 9mm was actually low weight high velocity round like Pow'r'ball with light 70 to 90 grain projectiles because they expanded well in water tank tests and 'muzzle energy' calculations that were the standard at the time. Then the 40 s&w took over because of the perception of 9mm failure, and that the early standard weight 9mm not being able to perform adequately through barrier tests the FBI demanded( something the 40 still is superior for) . 147 gr 9mm like Gold Dots and HST became a popular LE option because it works well in shorter barrel lengths becoming more common as either backups(G26 size subcompacts) or smaller standard issue( G19) and full size guns. 124gr +p is still the 'best' but is also best in full size guns. 147gr standard pressure still meets FBI spec, just doesn't exceed it in all metrics.

@KlickyMonster Жыл бұрын

The fifth element is love.

@ketchman8299 Жыл бұрын

I love these extended deep variant dives.

@joelmclamore1898 8 ай бұрын

Thats a lot of sparks coming out!😮

@tombogan03884 Жыл бұрын

Mae is right. We have you guy's . I've learned more from you and Ian than I did from 50 years of books available.

@JD-tn5lz Жыл бұрын

BEST ENDORSEMENT EVER! ...certainly beats peeing in it 😁

@terrysmith7751 Жыл бұрын

I wasn't sure if I heard that correctly.

@johnfisk811 Жыл бұрын

Thank you Othias. Pre decimalised British currency was spoken of as £X, Ys and Zd eg 11Pounds, 12 and 6. Written as £11/12/6. I will leave aside half crowns, guineas and farthings as that way lies madness. 1/2d pronounced ha’penny, 2d tuppence, 3d thruppence. Never mind tanner, bob, florin, quid etc…………. with 1,008 farthings to the Guinea, 4 Crowns to the pound and 2 to half a nicker. Now you know why it was decimalised.

@sportsman48 Жыл бұрын

Added a can of ballistol to my cart on order. Good stuff and an extra can is nice to ha e as they support the channel

@AbstractPragmatism Жыл бұрын

If I ever cleaned my guns, Ballistol™ would be my cleaner/oil of choice!

@theJellyjoker Жыл бұрын

I use Ballistol on my antiques and CLP on my modern stuff

@brianlojeck Жыл бұрын

Balistol has also done wonders on my old trucks locks, doors, and other body parts

@jorgechalub8930 Жыл бұрын

Muy bueno tu vídeo saludos desde Argentina

@boatman3806 Жыл бұрын

this is a fine video. one day i would appreciate to see a primer on the mauser zig zag revolver.

@Tunkkis Жыл бұрын

Oh, the bore snakes are a Ballistol product? Neat!

@presidentmerkinmuffley6769 Жыл бұрын

3 PM?? What exactly is this madness?

@IRMacGuyver Жыл бұрын

I would love to hear a first hand story about someone that used the mkI in a way that required hand to hand combat and getting in enough of a scuffle that the cylinder rotated to an empty chamber unexpectedly. Usually when they make changes it's only because someone actually experienced that problem in the field.

@adamsmith9032 Жыл бұрын

this is such a cool gun. it is the British version of the Merwin Hulbert revolver. i honestly think this gun was better though. I'm actually a little surprised they didn't make it a true top break but hey, it's still a neat gun

@51WCDodge Жыл бұрын

One reson for all the various hammer blocks. What manufacturing techniques were available at the time and the economy of manufactuer.

@ModalCuchulainn Жыл бұрын

Man, I am engaging with this content so hard right now. My 15 yr old is making fun of me for listening to the Maeversation out loud lol.

@rhysfranklin1119 Жыл бұрын

Commenting for engagement!

@ColburnFreml Жыл бұрын

Is double action that useful with black powder? My experience with black powder has been with single shot rifles and I get so much smoke that I think could cock a single action in time for the smoke to clear for a second shot. Are revolvers less smoky because of smaller powder charges?

@baird329 Жыл бұрын

Peeing in it. Ha, I knew an old Korean war vet that said that's how they cooled down their weapons when they were fighting the Chinese and North Koreans. Funny things you remember watching this channel.

@hairy_putin Жыл бұрын

I've also heard that's how you got your M1 unfrozen if you didn't bring it into your fart sack with you in the middle of a Korean winter.

@itatane Жыл бұрын

"We're not really a Great War show anymore..." Sad 1911 noises. Oh well, hopefully the Gahendra behind you comes out in an episode Soon™.

@chpet1655 Жыл бұрын

The 5th Element Rises with The Hand ! Now if that doesn’t sound ominous then I dunno what is

@kregchrist2826 Жыл бұрын

most excellent

@ReptilianLepton Жыл бұрын

The Ballistol sponsorship is genius because it is also irresistable comment-section engagement-bait for people who instead swear by CLP or Rem Oil or whatever.

@SonOfTheDawn515 Жыл бұрын

I hate CLP. Remoil is okay in a pinch, but I've used Clenzoil for years. I haven't seen ballistol in any store that I can remember but if it's priced okay I wouldn't be opposed to getting some.

@alexeysaphonov232 Жыл бұрын

I couldn't remember if there was a story of Galand 1870? It is quite a similar system.

@MandoWookie Жыл бұрын

Similar concept, very different execution. Also I believe in the previous Primer he said it was a much weaker system.

@bBlaF Жыл бұрын

Cost difference of 6 and 8 from the first and 12 and 4 from the second. So roughly x3 and x6 up from the reported 2 and 6 savings. Weird that they went with such a small number instead.

@bBlaF Жыл бұрын

Anyone interested in how British money was counted, here's your video. Even if you don't think you're interested, it's worth a look. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iJiglLZ4trjbpqM.html

@bigsiege1848 Жыл бұрын

E = mgh E = (1.13 kg) * 9.81 * (0.91 m) E = 10 joules (7.4 pound force)

@HereticalKitsune Жыл бұрын

Dunno, but I really like this revolver, it looks so clean, the blueing is near perfect. There is something about them. But I also like guns that show some wear and tear, some history.

@charlesmarino2027 Жыл бұрын

Mark it as watched by liking it.

@ethanphillips8637 Жыл бұрын

What about the 1889 colt navy, 1892 colt army models?

@jonathanhudak2059 Жыл бұрын

What's better than an Enfield Mk.1 interchangeable? Why a Mk.2, well maybe except for those sights, good Lord! Still such a cool and interesting piece, thanks you guys keep up the great work 👍

@jonkrier Жыл бұрын

Commment for the algorithm, and because KZfaq keeps hiding C&Rsenal from me. I've been a subscriber and supporter for years KZfaq, I still want to see the new public releases.

@darrenharvey6084 Жыл бұрын

Australia federated on 01/01/1901 not 1903

@carlklein3346 Жыл бұрын

There are valid reasons for the Lancaster pistol.

@thisISaPENn Жыл бұрын

Tuning in for the animation, ends up watching whole episode again. Ops

@joshuamarvin7400 Ай бұрын

I'm kinda surprised that with that many major design flaws and safety issues, that they didn't just scrap the entire design and instead let them fix it.

@62jape Жыл бұрын

Oh so this is the p320 of revolvers.

@SagebrushRebel Жыл бұрын

Do you need to load it through the loading gate, why not load it when it's opened up?

@jd9119 Жыл бұрын

I've always felt using soap and warm water worked the best in cleaning black powder guns. Then you use oil afterwards to lubricate and protect.

@johnjunge6989 Жыл бұрын

Othias, do you know when the tee shirts will ship? This looks overbuilt and not pleasing to the eye! Not including being dangerous! Do pistols in this era have no testing and requirements? Good stuff!

@xXGatekeeper49Xx Жыл бұрын

Is it just me or does the Enfield pattern revolver have an extremely short hammer throw?

@julianshepherd2038 Жыл бұрын

I'm British so I like the British ones but it is hard standing to attention for 47 minutes.

@MandoWookie Жыл бұрын

Thank God it wasn't a 4 hour episode or you would need to seek medical attention.

@Khanclansith Жыл бұрын

Of course Tom is crazy, he hangs out with you

@johndoeman8675309 Жыл бұрын

Sometimes....lol

@coldandaloof7166 Жыл бұрын

I personally would take either the Swiss or the Tranter over one of these. As fast as some people are with a SAA I would rather have one of those and practice more than that sticky case ridiculousness.

@SlavicCelery Жыл бұрын

Straight up bought some ballistol just because they sponsored the show.

@GunFunZS Жыл бұрын

I've never seen any in a store.

@SlavicCelery Жыл бұрын

@@GunFunZS It pops up in the big box stores around here from time to time. Bass Pro/Cabela's (same company now). I ended up with some through Midway USA on another order.

@Ben_not_10 Жыл бұрын

Ok so now I need to go scour Charleston SC to find the one man of culture

@charlesashworth6805 Жыл бұрын

I'll take the no 3 hands down

@merlinwizard1000 Жыл бұрын

3rd, 13 December 2022

@taitonaito 4 ай бұрын

The net effect of this whole video on me was making me want to acquire and carry a No.3 Russian

@carlcarlton764 Жыл бұрын

Dear Santa, all I want for Christmas is ... not another episode about some old revolver if only to upset Bojan. 😉 Jokes aside, I get that developmental history matters and you work with what you get when you get it but when will we something different? Like the Remington rifle line that culminated in the 1895 Lee Navy.

@JosipRadnik1 Жыл бұрын

What was this conversation aboot?

@knate44 Жыл бұрын

Wait ballistic is actually sponsoring you? That’s rad as hell

@robertweber3428 Жыл бұрын

The cracking of the fingers at ~2:26 made me cringe. Not everyone will react this way, but something that you may want to try to avoid. Love the episodes!

@alexhemsath6235 Жыл бұрын

I am mildly surprised to find that this weighs 2.5 pounds.

@Tammy-un3ql Жыл бұрын

👍👍👍👍👍👍

@Ihasanart Жыл бұрын

"Same evolution 3 times in history" It's confirmed, revolvers are crabs.

@Voelund Жыл бұрын

These shows start to become esoteric. I almost fear Othias' "War was declared" to become some sort of eschatological truth. 😁 Oh, I use Ballistol to soften my moustache wax. Work wonders AND give a lovely smell.

@GunFunZS Жыл бұрын

*were

@zetahoven4556 Жыл бұрын

Inexplicably, this gun and the Reichsrevolver appear in a Call of Duty World War 2 game.

@tenofprime Жыл бұрын

Now I have the amusing image in my head of the worst equipped units of the British and German armies being glad to have a fair fight at last.

@ShaunhanM Жыл бұрын

Well they both make good clubs

@liammeech3702 7 ай бұрын

CoD WWII's Enfield No.2 is not the same as this (confusingly)

@rootbeerpoptart Жыл бұрын

To die of wet boots 30 years before WWI. Poor fella

@jamespalmer7629 Жыл бұрын

Something I have noticed over the years is that anything mechanical that is British, is completely fiddley and unreliable. I think the reason is that they are stuck on tiny islands and get bored, so they purposely build stuff that needs constant tinkering. Off the top of my head, Triumph motorcycles and MG cars come to mind

@Sman7290 Жыл бұрын

Poor Rob. He's got to be just losing his s**t.

@shootingwithmitch5921 Жыл бұрын

For the algorithm!!

@danielbernard13 Жыл бұрын

Oh come on. Steady the grip. You can´t be afraid of that powder puff.

@jonathanferguson1211 Жыл бұрын

Not our finest hour.

@mattfleming86 Жыл бұрын

It certainly could have been much worse. Under fighting conditions it would likely give you 6 reliable shots (almost) every time. It certainly beats harsh words and a wagging finger.

@tenofprime Жыл бұрын

@@mattfleming86 6 shots then you get a good blunt instrument.

@jonathanferguson1211 Жыл бұрын

@@mattfleming86 Of course - speed reloads simply weren't a thing. It's much like the SA80 situation - objectively not the best design, but (once fixed!) perfectly serviceable. I was speaking in firearms enthusiast/ideal design terms rather than the in-context 'user' experience (mind you, getting shot through the head by your own pistol is definitely a negative!).