You are right!

If i remember correctly, the innovation/technology required to have a march contract is also already researched in 1066 HRE.

I'm guessing Paradox did it like in the game because the Margraves were nobles of equal status of either counts or dukes, but with the distinction of being lords of frontier provinces, so including Marches would disrupt the Baron-Count-Duke system. So they just introduces Marches as a variant of the nobility title with the special feudal contract that give you more military power and less taxes, which is pretty much accurate. Would be cool if having that kind of contract change your title from Count/Duke to Marquis or Markgraf or the equivalent, tho.

@@historyinbits You also can have a royal court in ck3. Many mechanics

@@historyinbits Can you go over medieval european population and what that meant for rulers.

Of course it was a big deal but more from a symbolic point of view rather than an actual power/influence point of view. It was the title that represented dominance over Europe throught its ancestry from Charlemagne to Otto the great and Friedrich I Barbarossa (who was the first to actually call it Holy Roman empire btw).

I’ll look into it, thank you for the suggestion!

Henry the Fowler, Otto's father really was the architect of the holy Roman Empire. Charlemagne always identified as a Frank first and his title was never meant to be in herited and only was because he only had one son remaining when he died who inherited everything. The titles Prestige was primarily drawn from the appointment by God. Divine appointments was importance as this was there legitimately needed to allow the franks to become Kings rather than the power behind the throne. Landholders would build castles making Central control more difficult and results in more subdivided titles that would be passed down by blood, resulting in several power centres. Otto was in fact the first actual holy Roman emperor but legitimacy is drawn from Charlemagne

Louis III of italy the grandson son of Louis the younger also ruled over Italy at some point

Can’t believe you forgot the Bozo who ruled Provence.

A house that became so great and mighty that its Fall dragged an entire Empire with it

@@hohenstaufen2345 I think you may be partial.

​@@DaDunge judging by his name there might be a slight bias involved

@@panzerofthelake506 yyyyuuuust slightly

Even though I would still say that the empire under Maximilian I. was also very much an empire. It's no surprise that a Frenchman can't comprehend a decentral statehood.

Aah that would explain it! Thanks for the hint :)

The entrenched regency mechanics could also be at play here

Yes I agree. I also like the idea of having to travel to Rome. That would make Heinrich IV king of the Germans in 1066 and give him the immediate objective to get the coronation as Emperor

"King of the Germans" would have to be an Emperor level title though, or it would cause all kinds of weird shenanigans with Vassals (Including the player) being able to form Kingdoms through decisions and, in case of Bohemia, by default.

@@Savaris96 You know that could be a feature of sorts. Primo, this would incentivize quick coronations. Secundo, it would show how Emperors before the Golden Bull often had to use force in order to force rebellious vassals to accept their coronation. Otherwise, there is a simple solution. Make the "King of Germany/of the Germans" note a proper title in the game but just a name swap for the Emprors before their coronation. In other words, the character always has the title of Emperor, just the name seen by the player is changed and some debuff added for not being crowned.

Thank you, means a lot!

Exactly!

@Yarp Yarp exactly

@yarpyarp Only technically. After the interregnum and golden bull and especially after the peace of westphalia Voltaire was right it wasn't an empire. But during the Salian Ottonian and Hohenstaufen dynasties it was perhaps the best working Catholic state. Yes it had troubles but so did every Catholic state. But CK doesn't represent states expending effort to stay stable well they either blob exponentially or death spiral.

Well thank you! We‘re working on a video on Age of Empires that will likely contain more about our theoretical framework and the academia behind historical video games

Thank you 🙏

Yeah it obviously was an empire Just different than its neighbours in various ways

@@GarkKahn Depended on the timeframe.

They called themselves Rome whilst the literal last bastion and the last hope of Rome was in constantinople in the ERE

​@@degoose2447 One should understand that Medieval polities didn't have official names. Holy Roman Emperor was a title belonging to a person not a state or people. The Empire upon its creation by a personal union of the Kingdom of Germany and the Kingdom of Italy with no common institutions besides the Crown whatsoever. This like all medieval polities in Europe were not coherent nation states but rather virtually confederal entities held together by Kings

@@KaiserFranzJosefI it still wasn’t roman nor holy nor an empire

It exists in Norwegian too. Kanossagang/Canossagang.

Thank you very much!

No, thank you! :D

Haha yes!

The holy Roman empire WAS holy (sacred), Roman and especially and empire (seriously, I don't even know how you could argue against that part).

​@@thewingedserpent5823 Lol are you stupid? It was not Roman 😂😂

​@@thewingedserpent5823um, descendants of Visigoths aren't Roman lmao

@@tevarinvagabond1192 West Germanics are not really descendants of East Germanics.

Wow, thank you!

Idk how it was based on Italy other than the emperors to be having to move through it on their way to Rome. Receiving the Italian crown was an afterthought an often times not necessary since the coronation as "king of the Romans" was all the legitimacy they needed.

​​​​@@Siegbert85 After the breakup of the Carolingian Empire the Imperial title became associated with the Kingdom of Italy, as it was Lothair's centre of power. Thus, it was the kings of Italy who had the legitimacy to be crowned Emperors, either by acquiring the Italian throne (like Charles the Bald or Charles the Fat) or being chosen kings within Italy itself (Guy of Spoleto, Berengar I). The same happened with Otto I after he conquered the old Lombard kingdom. EDIT: it was after the Ottonids that the title became associated with the kingdom of East Francia/Germany.

@@MaylocBrittinorum Sure, that was a rather disorganized intermediate period but from the Ottonians onwards there was no separate king of Italy to ever be crowned emperor other than the king of Germany. So, if we'd want to make a rule it'd be --> being crowned king in Germany --> traveling to Rome --> getting crowned emperor. The Italian royal crown is absolutely inconsequential for that. There's been a whole bunch of emperors to never having received the Italian crown in a separate ceremony.

If we do another follow-up on the HRE the duchy of Swabia will definitely feature more prominently :) thank you for the input!

Don't forget the Hohenzollerns as well!

@@MrLawesipan1 Indeed, although I no joke never ever played as them before, that’s probably why I forgot about them. Dx

I agree! Maybe you could even combine them in one DLC though - “European Empires” or something, focusing on the difficult situation between the two Empires as well

@@Me-yq1fl Fuck yes!

@@historyinbits Also honestly one giving more stuff to Rome once you restore it. I did it recently and if it didn't bother me how weird my borders were, I'd probably stop playing there(tbh did play for the achievement) as there is no interesting mechanics to it.

Indeed!

Until 1508, that is

We have been thinking about doing a follow up like that!

Thank you! We were thinking of doing Byzantium at some point actually, and England is also quite possible in the future 😁

Thank you for the kind words, we really appreciate this! What have you been reading so far? It’s always good to have starting points :)

African Dominion: A New History of Empire in Early and Medieval West Africa - Michael A. Gomez Medieval Africa, 1250-1800 - Anthony Almore/Roland Oliver The Royal Kingdoms of Ghana, Mali, and Songhay: Life in Medieval Africa - Frederick and Patricia McKissack These are three I can recommend. For context I've been playing as Amgar Ibn Khattab of Ghat or Djado for me as I've been using Ibn Battua's legacy and Africa Plus mods to improve the region. It's so far been a very enjoyable play.

Yes, absolutely!

That is indeed a good definition!!

I couldn’t find anything unfortunately, that looks like a really cool starting position!

Thank you :)

Very good idea!

@@historyinbits I forgot to mention this but it would also keep the importance of the Emperor being Catholic within the game by makeing the Emperor require to have papal approval (through opinion mechanics) something very difficult for someone of the wrong faith but not ENTIRELY impossible. Especially if its the last Emperors son and add in maybe a disaster event or something if it does somehow happen. Maybe something that gives the new non-Catholic Emperor a bonus but makes all the vassals REALLY upset, or even break off if far off and disconnected. Truly makeing in the proccess a non Catholic Emperor both a challenge and major event of note.

Thank you for the feedback!

What do you mean by that? Emperor is naturally a title above a king.

Emperor IS above King. In Medieval history however, it is rare to see actual EXAMPLES of Emperors being lieges to Kings. But practical examples and theoretical systems are two different things.

@@Osvath97 Did anything you said denies or dissproves anything what I said?

True!

Welfs and Hohenstaufen were so closely tied that they were hardly even two separate houses

@@robinrehlinghaus1944 thats what made the lions betrail even worse

@@hohenstaufen2345 The way you phrased this reminds me of The Rain Of Castamere

@@hohenstaufen2345 As a French man i can say we are very proud of the battle of Bouvines, since we (Philippe II Augustus) technically ended the Welfs (short) rule over the HRE

@@ForeskinWillis the french house of Anjou killed the last heir of Hohenstaufen in pure greed to take sicily. While killing the welfs is very pleasing for me we still remember your trechery

I once founded the empire of Carpathia and renamed it to Austria-Hungary lol

Flattered!

@@historyinbits KZfaq is brutal on the ears. Folk who expect to make a living off of talking into a microphone can’t say a “th” sound properly

We’ll look into it 🤓

Amen to that.

We’re working on some content on the Habsburgs atm :)

Thank you, we really appreciate it :)

@@historyinbits np I love history and ck3 and you have both

Gott rette das heilige römische Reich

Why

@@user-fl5mq9kp7gWhat do you mean by why? It's part of the history of our people, ofc I want to know and learn about that. Do you have a problem with that? And if so why don't you have a problem when it is about your people?

@@ICaImI You say that they do not know the history of your Holy Roman Empire

@@user-fl5mq9kp7gI said they TEACH nothing of it. Can you read?

We did at times, yes, why?

@@historyinbits CK3 has a map mode that shows direct vassals.

Haha indeed

Wasn't it Frederick I of Hohenstaufen who declared to the pope that the empire is holy?

The holy was officially added in the 15 century only…

​@@historyinbits btw in Italy there is a region that's still called "marche" (pronounced "markay"), roughly around the duchy of ancona in-game, referring to the region's role as border territory in the middle ages. And yes I agree they should add the mechanic in the game

Oh I just read the other comment, it is actually in the game, nvm

@@burkcristacchio ah interesting!

@@burkcristacchio thinking about long-term historical developments, it is very telling that there was a march between northern and southern Italy, wouldnt you agree? :D

It arguably never was - they just wanted to claim a tradition from the Roman Emperors of Antiquity

@@historyinbits The claim stands or falls with Charlemagne and Pope Leo III. Did the pope have any right to declare anyone the Roman emperor? That comes down to how legitimate the Byzantine emperor at the time was and you could make the point that she (Irene of Athens) wasn't. Geographically speaking the Carolingian Empire did contain quite a bit of what used to be the Roman Empire plus Latin being the official language and Rome being their spiritual central. Charlemagne also managed to expand the (Roman) Christian believe which was something to be expected of an emperor.

Working on it!

Good question!

Now I want it :(

Define Russia in 1066

We’ll do a video on interesting counts and countesses and then probably a Matilda special :)

History: Why? This is impossible

There are much worse games than CK3 in the paradox library

@@Menno_3 I assume they mean "out of the Paradox titles that are still being actively updated". I still wouldn't give that title to CK3 (*cough* HOI4 *cough*) but it makes way more sense.

The Holy Roman Empire in 1066 and 1444 were vastly different entities. 1444 was perhaps the most decentralized it had ever been

@@KaiserFranzJosefI not really, it was just as decentralized as it has always been. Ofcourse the two are vastly different in its institutions but they were both very decentralized and more of a ‘federation’ (for lack of a better term)

@@HansWurst1569 Yes really. The Holy Roman Empire in 1066 was comprised of a few dozen powerful Stem Duchies and no more decentralized than France or England. The Holy Roman Empire in 1444 was at the end of two and half centuries of rampant decentralization after the Great Interregnum and Golden Bull which saw the so called German Liberities confirmed and comprised of nearly 400 hundred statelets. They could not be more opposite points in the history of the HRE. It is like saying Rome in 117 AD was basically the same as it was in 476 AD

What a gigachad

Haha why do you mean?

@@historyinbits didn’t the Catholic Church own like 1/3 of all German lands before the reformation and have a lot of political control over them?

@@dimieneyitemi1721 yes, absolutely agree that this must have played a part!

Most Germans remained loyal to the Pope and the Emperor. Protestant in a political sense was simply an excuse for powerful Princes to gain even greater independence

The electorate wasn't really set up yet. The first time it was electors were set up, were in the golden bull (made by Charles IV) of 1356. Since then emporers were elected.

Will do that in the next video actually :D

the Habsburgs started with Guntram the Rich (10th century guy), a count originally from Alsace and likely a descendant of Duke Eticho of Alsace (who ruled around the mid 7th century). His son, Landolt, ruled as count of Altenburg (which was an old roman fortification in the Swiss city of Brugg). Landolt again had a son by the name of Radbot who one day was out falconing when his goshawk flew off and landed on a nearby hill. There, Radbot decided to build a new castle named "Habichtsburg" (goshawk castle), which in time was changed to Habsburg. The castle is located in Aargau, Switzerland and was built firstly in the early 11th century (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habsburg_Castle, I have been there, it's not much to look at). Another famous deed of Radbot's was the founding of the abbey at Muri, where many early Habsburgs were buried and the early history of the von Habsburgs recorded (largely in the "Acta Murensia"). In time, the Habsburgs bought more and more land (from smaller landowners as well as the Zähringers) and finally even inherited the Kyburg lands in 1263 when they died out in the male line (leaving only a female line of the Kyburgs married into the Habsburgs; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Habsburg#/media/File:Schweiz_um_1200.png). By the mid 13th century, the von Habsburgs had become wealthy and powerful enough to have become elected King of Germany (Rudolf IV von Habsburg became Rudolf I of the HRE) and used the succession crisis in Austria (the ruling Babenberg dynasty had died out shortly beforehand; the Bohemians tried to take Austria as a result) to make themselves dukes of Austria and later fabricated documents to gain the artificial title of "archduke". However, also in the 13th century, in 1291 to be precise, the Swiss cantons of Uri, Schwyz and Unterwalden broke from the Habsburgs and formed the Old Confederacy after Rudolf IV had died. While this was at first only central Switzerland, soon other cantons followed (either voluntarily or by conquest from the Swiss). The Habsburgs tried to reverse this for near on two centuries but all attempts were utter disasters despite overwhelming numerical superiority on the Habsburg side. Examples hereof are the battle of Morgarten where a force of one to two thousand Swiss militia defeated an Austrian force of up to nine thousand (where two thousand were knights), taking 12 casulaties while inflicting 2000 (that is probably exagerated but we like to brag about it still). Here are some of the battles: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Morgarten en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sempach en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_N%C3%A4fels

Reference to Civ5? :)

@@historyinbits haha, very much.